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ldsrmdude said:
That sounds about right from my reading of it. It's not that you are graded just based on the number of questions you get right, but it's all based on the probability that a minimally competent practitioner will get the question right. It's a little more convoluted than just a straightforward test.
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Agreed!
 
From my understanding, the info posted before is mostly accurate.

Each question is rated as to it's individual difficulty on a scale. The exam form as a whole is comprised of questions of varying difficulty, with a minimally competent test taker expected to score 75% on the exam.

The actual number of questions you are expected to get correct to score 75% could theoretically vary some based on the difficulty of the questions asked on that particular form of the exam and how many items are removed form the grading pool because they were experimental or didn't perform as expected.

The concept of how items are created and rated isn't too hard to follow, but the actual number crunching after the exam is taken by several hundred people is another story. That's why all the organizations responsible for high stakes exams (USMLE, DAT, APMLE, etc) employ a psychometrician (or many) to analyze and verify the reliability of the individual exam items and overall results.
 
JEB88 said:
If I understand the angoff method! The panel rates each question by whether or not a minimally competent practioner would answer that question correctly. Each question is given a rating based on this standard by the panel. The panel members ratings for each question are added and averaged. A number is generated and converted to a %. That % is the % of the number of questions a minimally competent practioner should be able to answer for that test. For our test that is 75%. Now after the test is over they flag all those questions that performed poorly and determine if they should keep or drop and I suppose the number of questions that 75% represents is revised.
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I think you got it just about right except for the last part where they decide to keep or drop. I don't believe any questions are dropped. They determine the value of each question based on minimally competent.
 
So... what i'm getting. Don't miss the easy questions because they are worth more?
 
ldsrmdude said:
I don't know that the easy questions are worth more, but the easier the questions are, the more you have to get right to pass.
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Hmmm, maybe I should re-phrase. Missing an easy question hurts you more than missing a hard question? Or am I still going down a wrong road? Thanks for the reply BTW.
 
So let's say you went in a time machine back to the start of your 2nd year. Knowing what you know now about the test, would you have prepared differently at all? If so, how?
 
dyk343 said:
Hmmm, maybe I should re-phrase. Missing an easy question hurts you more than missing a hard question? Or am I still going down a wrong road? Thanks for the reply BTW.
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I think it might be that what he was trying to say was the 'easy' questions were essentially supposed to be free points that would get you closer to the cut score.

So if you need 75 questions out of 100 right and 50 are easy and 50 are difficult, supposing that you get all the easy ones correct, you now only need half of the hard ones to meet the cut score...At least that's what I think he was trying to say...
 
rumor: next week we will be given the official date that the scores will be released.
 
In the past, the actual scores have come out about 3 weeks after the exam (I think last year was exactly 3 weeks, maybe a day more) So, you may actually be getting scores this week not just a date of release.

Man, I sure don't miss that feeling dread leading up to score release day!
 
rumor #2: Scores will be out Friday morning.
 
rumor #3/message from our dean:

"I just learned that I will receive the Part I scores tomorrow morning. Individual candidates should receive theirs shortly afterward."
 
Well folks.... We just got the email from our Dean... tomorrow is the day we find out... *crossing fingers*
 
My excitement to find out if I passed has been suddenly replaced by dread...
 
Do we know any statistics yet, such as what percent passed?

How do we find out? Verbally or through email?
 
The big day is just a few hours away! Good luck everyone. Hope my school gets a 100 percent pass rate.
 
Are scores going to be emailed directly to the students?
 
The deans already have who passed and who didn't! Our dean came into class and gave us the good news we all passed 100% AZPOD. But I still have not gotten the official email
 
Somebody was going to do it...


1. AZPOD 100%
2.NYCPM 91.3%
3. National Pass Rate 82.5%
4-10. The rest....
 
Congrats to you as well !! A redicoulusly hard test over and done with !
 
So we know NYCPM is 91.3% and AZPOD is 100%.... what about the other schools? Anyone care to share?
 
terigoo said:
So we know NYCPM is 91.3% and AZPOD is 100%.... what about the other schools? Anyone care to share?
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83% for Temple; But approximately 4 of those students that failed, remediated 2nd year so I'd say about 88% pass rate for Temple's original class of 2015
 
Liz Frank said:
83% for Temple; But approximately 4 of those students that failed, remediated 2nd year so I'd say about 88% pass rate for Temple's original class of 2015
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Just so we are on the same page, you mean these students already took second year again, or they are about to take it again?

Cause if they took it twice, they should really know their stuff. I suppose the only thing that matters though is whether or not they took it last year... but had they known they were redoing second year, I really doubt they would have taken the exam last year.
 
1. AZPOD 100%
2.NYCPM 91.3%
3. TUSPM 83%
4. National Pass Rate 82.5%
5-10. The rest....
 
Scholl's pass rate will not be released until the results from the retake in October come out
 
What a relief to put part 1 behind me. Congrats to all who passed and best of luck to those who need to retest. I know scholl and dmu don't release scores until aftee the retest. Anyone have data for westernu, cspm, ksupm, or barry?
 
When DMU does release results they will still publish the 1st time pass rate as well as the total pass rate.

It should also be noted that Ohio will not release board scores, which allows Sam Merritt and Temple to make the statement "we will not release board scores until everyone agrees to release board scores". All of the other schools will make their scores public at least once the 2nd administration is scored. Thankfully CPME should be mandating matriculation data, pass rates, and residency placement data be made public in the near future.
 
I would also recommend taking down the Temple pass rate. The person who posted it has no idea what Temple's pass rate is. What's going to happen is that guesses as to the different schools pass rates are going to pop up, you're going to write them all down, they will all be above the average and then everyone starts calling everyone else liars.
 
There is a very interesting discussion that could be had regarding NYCPM's board scores. The problem is keeping it positive and students who attend the school not getting their feelings hurt. It still provides some evidence for the theory that the real problem is a lack of an applicant pool and no school in the country can get over 100 quality students. There simply aren't enough applicants. In NYCPM's case, a trend back up in class size has correlated with a trend back down in first time pass rates. The numbers are pretty darn accurate but not exact. They are from memory so NY students feel free to correct me.

2013 had ~75 kids in the class during part I: 98% pass rate
2014 was high 80's, maybe right at 90: 95-96% pass rate
2015 had 100 (may have dropped slightly in the last year): 91%

Again, all are above the national average and all would place them above most other schools in the country, so kudos to NY. But it makes you wonder how other programs can take 110, 120, 130 kids every year knowing its gonna drop their scores. In a normal world, it wouldn't happen because those kinds of things damage your reputation and hurt enrollment figures. In the podiatry world, however, you can (for now) keep it a secret and bank on the fact that there are a few hundred kids who just wanna be called Doctor and will go to your school regardless of historical success/failure of your students.

I don't expect much because this is SDN, where reasonable discussion and reading comprehension go to die, but is be curious to hear what the NY kids think about the new sort of "no-nonsense" attitude that their admin has taken and if they believe class size affects board scores and residency placement at all.
 
Western never releases their board pass rate until 2nd attempt in October.
 
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footankledpm said:
I heard the rumor that western had less than 70% pass rate on board part 1. If that's true, this statistic is a disaster for a new school with hardest curriculum.
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Very glad i didn't end up at western. Something seems very fishy about the program. I heard the 2nd to last ranked student in their previous graduating class had a 87 average (something in that ballpark), but yet they have such a low pass rating on the boards.
 
Actually their graduated class had 100% pass rate on both part 1 and part 2 and did well on match with only 3 scrambling; I believe they all got spots.
 
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