Can programs tell you where they will rank you

[nickster]

I thought I read on this forum that programs were not allowed to tell the aplicants if and where they would rank them. Am I wrong?

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[Instatewaiter]

I thought I read on this forum that programs were not allowed to tell the aplicants if and where they would rank them. Am I wrong?

So technically I don't think they can tell you and technically I don't think you can ask but both parties get around this with ambiguous language

 

[cardsorbust]

Yes but they usually don't. If someone is going to be ranked high enough to match and the program wants to share it they may tell an applicant something like "you are ranked to match" but they also just let the match take care of it. Both programs can volunteer info and applicants can tell programs where they are ranking them but neither can ask each other for the information.

 

[Renodoc]

We can tell programs where we are ranking them on our ROL but they cannot tell us.

Some programs may get around this by maybe replying to your thank you email after the interview or before submitting their ROL. The email may mention something like you are a strong candidate, your needs will be met at our program, etc

I got emails from some programs mentioning something similar to the above while some of my friends who interviewed at the same programs did not get anything. So I think they might send those emails to those who they might want to rank high on their list.

On the other hand some programs may send the same email to everyone who interviews with them! Match is a gamble at the end of the day but tends to work in our favor more than the programs.

Please share if anyone else has a different perspective. Thanks🙂

 

[gutonc]

Please share if anyone else has a different perspective. Thanks

I don't really have a "different perspective" so much as I have "the right frickin' answer."

Seriously people...it's called Google. Give it a whirl, report back here how it works out for you.

All of the above are incorrect.

http://www.nrmp.org/res_match/policies/map_main.html#restrictions
(incidentally...this is the first match on a Google search for "nrmp match rules")

6.0 Restrictions on Persuasion

One of the purposes of the Matching Program is to allow both applicants and programs to make selection decisions on a uniform schedule and without coercion or undue or unwarranted pressure. Both applicants and programs may express their interest in each other; however, they shall not solicit verbal or written statements implying a commitment. Applicants shall at all times be free to keep confidential the names or identities of programs to which they have or may apply. In addition, it is a breach of the applicable Match Participation Agreement for:

(a) a program to request applicants to reveal ranking preferences; or

(b) an applicant or program to suggest or inform the other that placement on a rank order list is contingent upon submission of a verbal or written statement indicating ranking preferences; or

(c) a program to require applicants to reveal the names or identities of programs to which they have or may apply; or

(d) a program and an applicant in the Matching Program to make any verbal or written contract for appointment to a concurrent year residency or fellowship position prior to the release of the List of Unfilled Programs.

What does this mean practically speaking? You are free to tell any program where you will rank them (note that they will assume that you are lying) and programs are free to tell you where they will be ranking you (note that you should assume that they are lying).

You may not ask a program where you fall on their rank list, nor may a program ask you where they fall on your rank list.

In summary...telling is OK, asking is verboten.

 

[Juxtaglomerular]

Seriously people...it's called Google. Give it a whirl, report back here how it works out for you.

In keeping with gutonc's advice, this is a great place to send people when they ask stupid questions: http://tinyurl.com/372768q

 

[lordjesus]

I don't really have a "different perspective" so much as I have "the right frickin' answer."

Perhaps he/she was asking about the response from programs that some apparently get while others don't.

Seriously people...it's called Google. Give it a whirl, report back here how it works out for you.

Yes, you are a Genius!

All of the above are incorrect.

http://www.nrmp.org/res_match/policies/map_main.html#restrictions
(incidentally...this is the first match on a Google search for "nrmp match rules")

What does this mean practically speaking? You are free to tell any program where you will rank them (note that they will assume that you are lying) and programs are free to tell you where they will be ranking you (note that you should assume that they are lying).

A program cannot inform you where they are ranking you but you can inform them. Call NRMP. Not all programs think that all candidates lie.😀

You may not ask a program where you fall on their rank list, nor may a program ask you where they fall on your rank list.

In summary...telling is OK, asking is verboten.

True

 

[indiamacbean]

more importantly, what does it matter? it's only a mind game for programs to tell you this (and they will). it is to your disadvantage to let programs manipulate your rank list. rank the programs IN ORDER of where you want to go and let the match sort it out. don't rank on perceived interest or chance of matching. programs lie every year. don't get punk'd.

 

[Renodoc]

rank the programs IN ORDER of where you want to go and let the match sort it out.don't rank on perceived interest or chance of matching. programs lie every year. don't get punk'd.

Absolutely agree, rank in order of where you want to do your residency.

 

[MedApps]

I agree as well, you need to go with what is right for you and not where you feel you have a shot of getting in. The match system is set up to give you the highest possible spot on your list.

 

[confuse]

I agree with the part about ranking program where you see fit, not whether you will be highly ranked at the program. However, if you are undecided between two programs, there is nothing wrong about ranking a program higher due to better feedbacks from the PD during or after the interview. I don't think that programs (or applicants) are lying when they say they are going to rank an applicant/program "very high to match" or "top 3". I would like to believe that PDs are echelons of professionalism and mean what they say, unless someone has real evidence versus hearsay that programs lie.

 

[gutonc]

All of the above are incorrect.

http://www.nrmp.org/res_match/policies/map_main.html#restrictions
(incidentally...this is the first match on a Google search for "nrmp match rules")

What does this mean practically speaking? You are free to tell any program where you will rank them (note that they will assume that you are lying) and programs are free to tell you where they will be ranking you (note that you should assume that they are lying).

A program cannot inform you where they are ranking you but you can inform them. Call NRMP. Not all programs think that all candidates lie.😀

Did you actually read what was written there? Because you're still wrong. Let me reiterate (and re-quote the appropriate sentence for you).

Both applicants and programs may express their interest in each other; however, they shall not solicit verbal or written statements implying a commitment.

 

[Renodoc]

Perhaps he/she was asking about the response from programs that some apparently get while others don't.

Yes and thank you!!🙂