Cardio application discussion thread: '08-09 version

[ProgCoordinator]

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I wonder if there won't be a wave of secondary invitations going out soon. Most of us apply to many more programs than we can interview at, and accept the first dozen interviews to come our way. If someone gets a new invitation, they'll cancel one of the olds, and the program invites someone else (hopefully you), right?

Then again, I wonder if these second choice interviews are really worth going to--you'll probably end up quite low on the rank list if you're a wait list interviewee.

If there is a second wave (and there will be for some programs) you shouldn't rely on a calendar to divine meaning as to your standing. For as formal as this process is...it can be equally loosey-goosey.

The "second wave" does not mean "second choice". Your file may simply have ended up at the bottom of a stack of high potential candidates and the committee may not have had a chance to discuss yet. This part of the process can be very time consuming and there are only so many hours in a day.

Believe it or not, we want to invite more of you than we possibly can. Hence, wait lists. If you end up on a wait list it means that we can't bring ourselves to cut you. Yes, we want to meet with you if we can, so don't feel like you're the ugly stepsister.

Once you are invited, you pretty much start at square one again. It's anarchy at that point, really. There will be candidates who are super stars on paper, but don't click at the interview and, yes sir, it works the other way, too. And this theory works both ways. You may be surprised to find that a program that is your first choice right now may not be so after your interviews are finished. Interviews are like first dates. Everyone sees a potential fit in the other at first glance, but you have to spend some time to discover whether it feels like a good fit.

Finally...we don't even begin to focus on rankings until after interviews are finished. READ THAT AGAIN, MY FRIENDS. Go back and read it. We sketch together a list after interviews. Then we have meetings in order to play with it some more and we continue to play with it until deadline. That's right. We'll play with it from the end of interviews until June.

This is a marathon, my friends.

 

[WatchingWaiting]

Invitations to UCSF and UC-Irvine by e-mail today.

 

[liveinsea]

i don't know if it matters to interview in Feb, 4 months before ranking. Are they going to keep the score and rank with the score for each candidate?

 

[cardsfellow2007]

i don't know if it matters to interview in Feb, 4 months before ranking. Are they going to keep the score and rank with the score for each candidate?

Yup! Out of 500+ applications we are going to remember the <50 that we interview. There is a numerical scoring system that is used at our program. This is tabulated and people are placed on the rank list. Those who make a good impression may move above their numerical ranking and those with poor impressions can get kicked off altogether.

 

[ProgCoordinator]

i don't know if it matters to interview in Feb, 4 months before ranking. Are they going to keep the score and rank with the score for each candidate?

We most certainly will remember each and every one of you. And when we sit down (after the interview season is finished) we review all of the stats, the feedback, e-mails, notes from phone calls, photos, and discuss from there. I promise you, we don't forget anyone.

From year to year we even manage to remember people who we didn't interview. Believe it or not. Comes in handy if they apply again or apply for faculty positions in the future.

 

[idiotpathic]

pls add utsw to the rejection list..

interesting discussion

thank u cards fellow and progcoord.. do look into my file pls.. its probably at the bottom of the pile with a fat guy with buck teeth and thick glasses poring out of it 🙂)

looking forward to hearing back positively from your programs 😉

p.s. has anyone heard the class of 99 verison of floyd's the wall?

 

[OptimusPrime]

IV: Univ of Colorado, Kaiser Los Angeles/Sunset
Rejections: MGH, Texas Heart, Mayo Arizona, UPen, OHSU, Loma Linda

January... what a cruel time, goodbye crappy month!

Hope February will be much kinder. Have a happy weekend all 🙂

 

[liveinsea]

We most certainly will remember each and every one of you. And when we sit down (after the interview season is finished) we review all of the stats, the feedback, e-mails, notes from phone calls, photos, and discuss from there. I promise you, we don't forget anyone.

From year to year we even manage to remember people who we didn't interview. Believe it or not. Comes in handy if they apply again or apply for faculty positions in the future.

Thank you a lot Coodinator and fellow2007.

IV from Christiana.

 

[Cardsprime]

And the wait continues

GL everyone

 

[liveinsea]

I am preparing some questions to ask the PD during interview. For those small community programs, with only 20 case reports and 2 review articles in last 10 years, should I mention research? Should I ask about research time or ongoing projects?

 

[bossenton]

Rejections from JHU and UTSW
now this gets depressing. Cant deny anymore

 

[synergy32]

So i was speaking to a few of the cardiology fellows at my program and was told that a majority of interview invites should be obtained by the 1st-2nd week of Feb with a few programs inviting a little bit later on. By their report, its pretty safe to assume you are rejected or on the wait list after that.

Gotta say this is most disconcerting, since I myself only have one interview. Things are not looking good. Can anyone else comment about what they know.

 

[Obama]

It is still early in the process. I guess AMGs have gotten anywhere between 2-4 interviews so far. Good IMG applicants have 1-2, while the rest are waiting. I went through last years IV calls, and it seems that the two weeks of Feb are busy. Lets hope things brightens up..

 

[BrianFantana]

I agree with the above post, just looking at last years thread, it seems like the slow trickle of January led into a flood of invites in February. I also noticed that many California programs didn't send invites until March. For what its worth.....weekends suck. Hopefully, the Super Bowl will be a worthy distraction although it will be hard to beat last year's game.

 

[Cardsprime]

Lets hope for the best this week

Go Steelers!!

 

[liveinsea]

Still no news today. Have been expecting a wave of IV from today.

 

[BrianFantana]

And the best part is, the ERAS post office will be down from 2/3-2/5 for updates so we can expect to hear nothing through it from tomorrow until Thursday.

 

[dragonfly99]

So i was speaking to a few of the cardiology fellows at my program and was told that a majority of interview invites should be obtained by the 1st-2nd week of Feb with a few programs inviting a little bit later on. By their report, its pretty safe to assume you are rejected or on the wait list after that.

Gotta say this is most disconcerting, since I myself only have one interview. Things are not looking good. Can anyone else comment about what they know.

That's not entirely true. Some programs invite later, like end of February or even in March. However, it is true that the majority invite people in the first 1/2 or so of February, and a few invite early (like January).

 

[Cardsprime]

no news today, it is getting very frustrating, anybody got any 👍 👎

 

[tigerpride]

Interviews:
Duke, Emory, Univ of Virgina and Wake Forest , UTSW, Colorado, University of Florida (Today)

Rejections:
MGH, NW, Texas Heart, Penn

 

[BrianFantana]

PROGRAMS INVITING:
Mayo-AZ
U Maryland
UF-Jacksonville
U Kentucky
Duke
Texas Heart - Episcopal
Baylor - Houston
U Wisconsin
East Carolina
Wake Forest
UMDNJ-NJMS
Delaware (Christiana Care)
NYMC - Saint Vincent's
U.Conn - A Hartford
U Pitt
UTSW
Emory
U Penn
Northwestern - McGaw
OHSU
Case Western Metro Health
Loma Linda
U Colorado
U Iowa
U Utah
U Minnesota
George Washington
Vanderbilt
UCLA
Kaiser LA
Mt Sinai - NY (Urban Community or Other track???)
University of Virginia

PROGRAMS REJECTING:
MGH
Brigham
Duke
Mayo-AZ
U AZ
Texas Heart / Baylor SLEl
Northwestern
U Penn
Loma Linda
U Michigan
U Wisconsin
OHSU
OSU
UTSW
Cal Pacific

 

[Jattdoc]

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Rejection from California Pacific Medical Center - Today

 

[bulldog]

PROGRAMS INVITING:
Mayo-AZ
U Maryland
UF-Jacksonville
U Kentucky
Duke
Texas Heart - Episcopal
Baylor - Houston
U Wisconsin
East Carolina
Wake Forest
UMDNJ-NJMS
Delaware (Christiana Care)
NYMC - Saint Vincent's
U.Conn - A Hartford
U Pitt
UTSW
Emory
U Penn
Northwestern - McGaw
OHSU
Case Western Metro Health
Loma Linda
U Colorado
U Iowa
U Utah
U Minnesota
George Washington
Vanderbilt
UCLA
Kaiser LA
Mt Sinai - NY (Urban Community or Other track???)
University of Virginia

PROGRAMS REJECTING:
MGH
Brigham
Duke
Mayo-AZ
U AZ
Texas Heart / Baylor SLEl
Northwestern
U Penn
Loma Linda
U Michigan
U Wisconsin
OHSU
OSU
UTSW
Cal Pacific

got invite from oshner

 

[OptimusPrime]

all in all what a lame day... doesn't sound like a whole lot of activity went down today. I guess on the good side not too many rejections today but at this point i guess everybodys looking for interviews. Hope tomorrow will bring better news 😀

 

[OptimusPrime]

wait i just realized eras will be down for 48 hrs... super lame. guess have to wait till thursday.

 

[BrianFantana]

all in all what a lame day... doesn't sound like a whole lot of activity went down today. I guess on the good side not too many rejections today but at this point i guess everybodys looking for interviews. Hope tomorrow will bring better news 😀

Sorry to say optimus, tomorrow will probably suck every bit as much as today. ERAS is going down from 6am tomorrow until 6am on 2/5. We might as well be on the dark side of the moon the next couple of days. I guess that's fine since i'm on call. The only activity would be direct e-mails or phone/snail mail.

 

[idiotpathic]

"COLDFUSION 8 APPLICATION (In process of Migration...)"

Am getting this message at the top of myeras in red.

Sounds so cool. Like something out of Half Life or the Matrix... 🙂

 

[astropilot]

They must be upgrading servers - Cold Fusion is a macromedia product for servers.

I did hear from University of Cincinnati 1.5 weeks ago. They said their invites will happen in the 1st 2 weeks of Feb.

And we still wait.

 

[pulselessvtac]

got invite from univ of buffalo today.

 

[Jac1]

Congrats! I bet you got the IV via snailmail.

 

[pulselessvtac]

no, actually by direct email...

 

[Cardiology]

Another day goes by with zero news. PGY 3, top 25 program, some research. Zero interviews. One rejection (Hopkins)

 

[OptimusPrime]

University of Washington IV via email

 

[Jattdoc]

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Rejection - Texas A & M via email

 

[Jac1]

Rejection: Texas A&M

 

[pulselessvtac]

Rjection A+M.
can anyone whongot interview at anm post their creds ? just curious...

 

[Cardiology]

Are we thinking that tomorrow is going to be the big day when ERAS opens up again?😀

 

[liveinsea]

Rejection from Texas A&M, small community, PGY2, with 9 papers, good score, relatively weak ROL. 4IV, 6 rejections.

 

[superdood]

Northwestern, cleveland clinic, and u washington by email

 

[Larry Renal]

Got Stony Brook and Lankenau (Philly) this week.

still waiting on about 30...

good luck everybody

 

[Moondoc]

Interview from Univ of Michigan today via eras email!

 

[tuffgong]

UCSD invitation today

 

[dr niceguy]

No news is good news?? Not sure I agree... still waiting for the motherload.

 

[Cardsprime]

no news today🙁

 

[roxid]

Univ of Missouri-Columbia Rejection.........Received at 6:30 Pm, these guys work really late

 

[bossenton]

Call from Columbia😀
Rejections: MGH, Upenn,Northwestern, JHU, Duke, UMichigan, UTSW

 

[pulselessvtac]

Univ of Missouri-Columbia interview at 630 pm today

 

[BrianFantana]

Today sucked.

Will start contemplating other careers if no good news tomorrow.

 

[liveinsea]

Univ of Missouri-Columbia interview at 630 pm today

Univ of Missouri-Columbia rejection today. Do you guys care putting ur credentials? just want to know what made the difference. I am IMG, PGY2, small community hosp, good score and research, still rejection. thx

 

[synergy32]

I feel some of your pain, I got no news today as well. I figured today would be the day since eras is done with their upgrade. For those of you that haven't heard, I wish you all the best of luck.

I must say I am not optimistic at this point, given many programs I applied to are programs that have offered interviews. I agree with dr nice, I think we are at a point where no news is not good news. The way I see it, chances are rejections are coming probably later on.