Carribbean vs waiting to hear from DO's

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What are your stats?
3.1 BPCM, 3.2 cgpa
MCAT 502, doing a retake soon
5 years research experience and clinical volunteering
Told by a few DO's my app is on hold until I can churn out a better MCAT score.
 
3.1 BPCM, 3.2 cgpa
MCAT 502, doing a retake soon
5 years research experience and clinical volunteering
Told by a few DO's my app is on hold until I can churn out a better MCAT score.

You were lied to. Not sure why they would say this, especially if they are older (when they applied to DO school, the MCAT averages may have been ~24 or lower).

Anyways, the MCAT is not a problem. Retaking it isn't a good use of your time unless you are certain you can score 505+. Your GPA's are the issue. Retaking some classes would really help your application.
 
3.1 BPCM, 3.2 cgpa
MCAT 502, doing a retake soon
5 years research experience and clinical volunteering
Told by a few DO's my app is on hold until I can churn out a better MCAT score.

They weren't lying to you. It's either a better MCAT or better cgpa and sgpa.
 
The now banned Ross alumnus matriculated in the late 90s when going Carib wasn't the death sentence it is now. Now, those that survive the Caribbean schools don't fare better in the acgme match than DOs and usually worse. Also, most of their matches are community based primary care programs. DOs match into those too without nearly as much effort. Times change.

Just like you used to have a better shot at surgical sub specialties by going DO because of protected AOA spots that are going away with the merger. Times change.

Overall, one should really consider going DO before Carib just because you're much more likely to graduate. I don't know why people think that doing mediocre in undergrad and mediocre on the MCAT were both just flukes. You're probably going to do mediocre in med school. But if you go Carib, you essentially have to be perfect to survive (so kudos to the Ross alum if he's in fact telling the truth).


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He wasn't a Ross alumnus. Nobody at that age is that immature. A current Ross student...that I could believe.


The now banned Ross alumnus matriculated in the late 90s when going Carib wasn't the death sentence it is now. Now, those that survive the Caribbean schools don't fare better in the acgme match than DOs and usually worse. Also, most of their matches are community based primary care programs. DOs match into those too without nearly as much effort. Times change.

Just like you used to have a better shot at surgical sub specialties by going DO because of protected AOA spots that are going away with the merger. Times change.

Overall, one should really consider going DO before Carib just because you're much more likely to graduate. I don't know why people think that doing mediocre in undergrad and mediocre on the MCAT were both just flukes. You're probably going to do mediocre in med school. But if you go Carib, you essentially have to be perfect to survive (so kudos to the Ross alum if he's in fact telling the truth).


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Wait how much money does he make? I don't think he told us enough.

I swear that's like suggesting to take anabolic steroids recreationally because "I can bench 600lbs, don't you want to bench 600lbs?"

OP don't go Carib, DO>>>>>>Carib. I feel like you've already picked that up by reading this thread though. I just wanted my comment to have merit to the thread besides commenting on the non-sensical flame war that went down.


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Chiming in for my buddy here.
OP the Caribbean as well as many other medical schools will give you the same if not better education in their programs. Performing well in medical school is up to you. Caribbean schools are known for large class sizes of students who were mainly rejected from MD programs, to be frankly honest, because they were Asian/white and their GPA/MCAT wasn't high enough for their race. Typically each school produces 500-1000 physicians per year and sees a little over an 80% match rate. This number may change as DO and MD residency programs merge but that is total different. If you make connections during your clinical years, show up on time, and prove to be better than everyone else, you will succeed.
We just took in an SGU graduate for neurosurgery in GWU last fall. 2 students were offered the position. None of the DO's made it through. I wouldn't trust them to operate on a cadaver let alone a human being.
You will notice that the Osteopathic medical field is a group of individuals very protective over their identity and education trying to cover up for their short comings and not making it into medical school, simply because they weren't cut out to do the job right. Remember DO schools until last year were taking in 24 MCATS and substandard GPA's which was around the same average for the Caribbean upper tiers, SGU, Ross, and AUC.

Your grades do not matter too much when making the decision to apply to medical school in the Caribbean but your desire to do well, better than your classmates, and better than those people who took your admissions spots in the states is up to you. Are you willing to work hard and see your hard work pay off? Or are you a softy who is going to take the easy route, DO, and be offered a substandard education? Few esteemed hospitals will dispatch their DO employees abroad for conferences to present on a topic that the hospital has been researching on, simply because the world knows, DO <<<<<<<MD. In the states there is a Trump concept in some programs where they put American medical students first but there are plenty of programs that will take you. UCLA took a SGU grad for general surgery who was a poor performer in his undergrad years and his GPA and MCAT lagged. Like I said it is up to you. Medical school is not hard, nor is the USMLE, its just a lot of information to process.

I currently work in the field of neurosurgery, though my story is a little different, I grew up in the African subcontinent, completed my medical education there, and my neurosurgery residency, and my degree was not recognized in the states so I received my degree from Ross as well and was able to enter my program. Between my private clinic I make a larger income than Goro and all of his fake accounts he uses to back up his fake butt combined. Somewhere in the 1.2 million dollar range between private practice and faculty teaching.

My advice to you is apply to American programs, if you don't get in, don't waste your time, just go Caribbean work hard, and prove the medical schools wrong, that they made a mistake by not selecting you.
My friend certainly did. People get jealous over income disparity and their own self consciousness of their shortcomings in life and not being as successful so they will make up things as you can see the several accounts above are doing so. Notice how they are allowed to spew out hatred words like "*****, bitch, etc etc" and not get banned on the forums? That's a classic example of a child who was bullied in school and they finally have a chance to feel powerful on an internet forum hiding behind a 2 inch thick monitor and just hit the mute button/ban button when someone says something that doesn't work for them.
Do you want to take advice from a loser like that?
My friend has given you sound advice, and he has the income to prove it. Do a little digging here and there on residency match lists and youll find what he says is true.
Many students do not try hard in the Caribbean and will blame others for their own faults and make the programs look bad.
Goro, Gonnif, LizzyM, and all the other "Administrators" are just the same SDN employee sitting behind a computer answering messages all day. They will argue otherwise to protect their identity of being an internet bully, who probably has to take dozens of pills to control their bipolar disorder. Its the same middle aged unemployed man making a fantasy about himself and repeating useless information.

Anyway as my friend got banned no doubt I will too, so this is my last post here, glad I could reach out to you. There are thousands of MDs from the Caribbean who are successful, and are Medical Doctors. Goodluck to you OP, remember to evaluate your sources.
Don't ever let a joke of a human being like Goro tell you otherwise.
 
Chiming in for my buddy here.
OP the Caribbean as well as many other medical schools will give you the same if not better education in their programs. Performing well in medical school is up to you. Caribbean schools are known for large class sizes of students who were mainly rejected from MD programs, to be frankly honest, because they were Asian/white and their GPA/MCAT wasn't high enough for their race. Typically each school produces 500-1000 physicians per year and sees a little over an 80% match rate. This number may change as DO and MD residency programs merge but that is total different. If you make connections during your clinical years, show up on time, and prove to be better than everyone else, you will succeed.
We just took in an SGU graduate for neurosurgery in GWU last fall. 2 students were offered the position. None of the DO's made it through. I wouldn't trust them to operate on a cadaver let alone a human being.
You will notice that the Osteopathic medical field is a group of individuals very protective over their identity and education trying to cover up for their short comings and not making it into medical school, simply because they weren't cut out to do the job right. Remember DO schools until last year were taking in 24 MCATS and substandard GPA's which was around the same average for the Caribbean upper tiers, SGU, Ross, and AUC.

Your grades do not matter too much when making the decision to apply to medical school in the Caribbean but your desire to do well, better than your classmates, and better than those people who took your admissions spots in the states is up to you. Are you willing to work hard and see your hard work pay off? Or are you a softy who is going to take the easy route, DO, and be offered a substandard education? Few esteemed hospitals will dispatch their DO employees abroad for conferences to present on a topic that the hospital has been researching on, simply because the world knows, DO <<<<<<<MD. In the states there is a Trump concept in some programs where they put American medical students first but there are plenty of programs that will take you. UCLA took a SGU grad for general surgery who was a poor performer in his undergrad years and his GPA and MCAT lagged. Like I said it is up to you. Medical school is not hard, nor is the USMLE, its just a lot of information to process.

I currently work in the field of neurosurgery, though my story is a little different, I grew up in the African subcontinent, completed my medical education there, and my neurosurgery residency, and my degree was not recognized in the states so I received my degree from Ross as well and was able to enter my program. Between my private clinic I make a larger income than Goro and all of his fake accounts he uses to back up his fake butt combined. Somewhere in the 1.2 million dollar range between private practice and faculty teaching.

My advice to you is apply to American programs, if you don't get in, don't waste your time, just go Caribbean work hard, and prove the medical schools wrong, that they made a mistake by not selecting you.
My friend certainly did. People get jealous over income disparity and their own self consciousness of their shortcomings in life and not being as successful so they will make up things as you can see the several accounts above are doing so. Notice how they are allowed to spew out hatred words like "*****, bitch, etc etc" and not get banned on the forums? That's a classic example of a child who was bullied in school and they finally have a chance to feel powerful on an internet forum hiding behind a 2 inch thick monitor and just hit the mute button/ban button when someone says something that doesn't work for them.
Do you want to take advice from a loser like that?
My friend has given you sound advice, and he has the income to prove it. Do a little digging here and there on residency match lists and youll find what he says is true.
Many students do not try hard in the Caribbean and will blame others for their own faults and make the programs look bad.
Goro, Gonnif, LizzyM, and all the other "Administrators" are just the same SDN employee sitting behind a computer answering messages all day. They will argue otherwise to protect their identity of being an internet bully, who probably has to take dozens of pills to control their bipolar disorder. Its the same middle aged unemployed man making a fantasy about himself and repeating useless information.

Anyway as my friend got banned no doubt I will too, so this is my last post here, glad I could reach out to you. There are thousands of MDs from the Caribbean who are successful, and are Medical Doctors. Goodluck to you OP, remember to evaluate your sources.
Don't ever let a joke of a human being like Goro tell you otherwise.




HAHAHAAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA best troll of year!
DO and MD education is literally identical with only difference that DOs learn OMM also. In essence you are saying that MD education is substandard as well.

Mcat and gpa averages of DO matriculants rises yearly and now handul of DO schools have exceeded MD averages. Overall, the difference is 3 MCAT points on old scale and 1-2 gpa points.


Carrib match rate is bs, 50% fail out and the match rate isn't over 80%.


I'll just stop because your entire post was nonsense, literally not even a single fact. Very immoral to intentionally misguide premeds like this.

Can you drive home safely with your opposite foot? yes sure, many people probably can. But your chance of accidents and issues getting home will be much higher than if you drive with your regular foot. Hope you get the metaphor
 
There are MD's from the Caribbean and other places who are successful and have landed residencies in the US. Florida last I read had many hospitals with over 25% of staff being FMG's. However, it is getting more competitive each year and I do know of Caribbean students who did really well but couldn't land a residency this past year.

DO programs are becoming more selective and many more competitive. A challenge with many foreign schools is that they eliminate a huge portion of their students so that by the end only limited number make it to applying. Those students are finding it more and more difficult landing residencies as the # of applicants have exceeded the number of slots. Many DO schools work hard to help their students succeed, as one may not be tremendously academically gifted at memorization but have great clinical ability and would make an excellent family practice physician. For 2016 99.61% of DO students seeking GME were placed, which may change in 2020 but who knows. I haven't seen similar stats for Caribbean.

So could you get a residency by attending SGU or where-ever overseas? Perhaps, but to discount the quality of DO's in comparison to Caribbean the numbers don't support such!
 
Couldn't stay away, waterunderda bridge? reddit get too boring?

OK, pay attention, you who are soon to be unemployed and deeply in debt. And OP, FYI:


The pool of US applicants from the Caribbean is viewed differently by Program Directors. The DDx for a Caribbean grad is pretty off-putting: bad judgment, bad advice, egotism, gullibility, overbearing parents, inability to delay gratification, IA's, legal problems, weak research skills, high risk behavior. This is not to say that all of them still have the quality that drew them into this situation. There is just no way to know which ones they are. Some PD's are in a position where they need to, or can afford to take risks too! So, some do get interviews.


Bad grades and scores are the least of the deficits from a PD's standpoint. A strong academic showing in a Caribbean medical school does not erase this stigma. It fact it increases the perception that the reason for the choice was on the above-mentioned list!

Just about everyone from a Caribbean school has one or more of these problems and PDs know it. That's why their grads are the last choice even with a high Step 1 score.

There was a time when folks whose only flaw was being a late bloomer went Carib, but those days are gone. There are a number of spots at US schools with grade replacement for these candidates.

It's likely you'll be in the bottom half or two thirds of the class that gets dismissed before Step 1. The business plan of a Carib school depends on the majority of the class not needing to be supported in clinical rotations. They literally can't place all 250+ of the starting class at clinical sites (educational malpractice, really. If this happened at a US school, they be shut down by LCME or COCA, and sued.


The Carib (and other offshore) schools have very tenuous, very expensive, very controversial relationships with a very small number of US clinical sites. You may think you can just ask to do your clinical rotations at a site near home. Nope. You may think you don't have to worry about this stuff. Wrong.

And let's say you get through med school in the Carib and get what you need out of the various clinical rotation scenarios. Then you are in the match gamble. I don't need to say a word about this - you can find everything you need to know at nrmp.org.

You really need to talk to people who made it through Carib into residency, and hear the story from them. How many people were in their class at the start, how many are in it now? How long did it take to get a residency, and how did they handle the gap year(s) and their student loans? How many residencies did they apply to, how many interviews did they get, and were any of the programs on their match list anything like what they wanted?

A little light reading:

https://milliondollarmistake.wordpress.com/

http://www.tameersiddiqui.com/medical-school-at-sgu

Banhammer getting cocked now....wait for it!



Chiming in for my buddy here.
OP the Caribbean as well as many other medical schools will give you the same if not better education in their programs. Performing well in medical school is up to you. Caribbean schools are known for large class sizes of students who were mainly rejected from MD programs, to be frankly honest, because they were Asian/white and their GPA/MCAT wasn't high enough for their race. Typically each school produces 500-1000 physicians per year and sees a little over an 80% match rate. This number may change as DO and MD residency programs merge but that is total different. If you make connections during your clinical years, show up on time, and prove to be better than everyone else, you will succeed.
We just took in an SGU graduate for neurosurgery in GWU last fall. 2 students were offered the position. None of the DO's made it through. I wouldn't trust them to operate on a cadaver let alone a human being.
You will notice that the Osteopathic medical field is a group of individuals very protective over their identity and education trying to cover up for their short comings and not making it into medical school, simply because they weren't cut out to do the job right. Remember DO schools until last year were taking in 24 MCATS and substandard GPA's which was around the same average for the Caribbean upper tiers, SGU, Ross, and AUC.

Your grades do not matter too much when making the decision to apply to medical school in the Caribbean but your desire to do well, better than your classmates, and better than those people who took your admissions spots in the states is up to you. Are you willing to work hard and see your hard work pay off? Or are you a softy who is going to take the easy route, DO, and be offered a substandard education? Few esteemed hospitals will dispatch their DO employees abroad for conferences to present on a topic that the hospital has been researching on, simply because the world knows, DO <<<<<<<MD. In the states there is a Trump concept in some programs where they put American medical students first but there are plenty of programs that will take you. UCLA took a SGU grad for general surgery who was a poor performer in his undergrad years and his GPA and MCAT lagged. Like I said it is up to you. Medical school is not hard, nor is the USMLE, its just a lot of information to process.

I currently work in the field of neurosurgery, though my story is a little different, I grew up in the African subcontinent, completed my medical education there, and my neurosurgery residency, and my degree was not recognized in the states so I received my degree from Ross as well and was able to enter my program. Between my private clinic I make a larger income than Goro and all of his fake accounts he uses to back up his fake butt combined. Somewhere in the 1.2 million dollar range between private practice and faculty teaching.

My advice to you is apply to American programs, if you don't get in, don't waste your time, just go Caribbean work hard, and prove the medical schools wrong, that they made a mistake by not selecting you.
My friend certainly did. People get jealous over income disparity and their own self consciousness of their shortcomings in life and not being as successful so they will make up things as you can see the several accounts above are doing so. Notice how they are allowed to spew out hatred words like "*****, bitch, etc etc" and not get banned on the forums? That's a classic example of a child who was bullied in school and they finally have a chance to feel powerful on an internet forum hiding behind a 2 inch thick monitor and just hit the mute button/ban button when someone says something that doesn't work for them.
Do you want to take advice from a loser like that?
My friend has given you sound advice, and he has the income to prove it. Do a little digging here and there on residency match lists and youll find what he says is true.
Many students do not try hard in the Caribbean and will blame others for their own faults and make the programs look bad.
Goro, Gonnif, LizzyM, and all the other "Administrators" are just the same SDN employee sitting behind a computer answering messages all day. They will argue otherwise to protect their identity of being an internet bully, who probably has to take dozens of pills to control their bipolar disorder. Its the same middle aged unemployed man making a fantasy about himself and repeating useless information.

Anyway as my friend got banned no doubt I will too, so this is my last post here, glad I could reach out to you. There are thousands of MDs from the Caribbean who are successful, and are Medical Doctors. Goodluck to you OP, remember to evaluate your sources.
Don't ever let a joke of a human being like Goro tell you otherwise.
 
Chiming in for my buddy here.
OP the Caribbean as well as many other medical schools will give you the same if not better education in their programs. Performing well in medical school is up to you. Caribbean schools are known for large class sizes of students who were mainly rejected from MD programs, to be frankly honest, because they were Asian/white and their GPA/MCAT wasn't high enough for their race. Typically each school produces 500-1000 physicians per year and sees a little over an 80% match rate. This number may change as DO and MD residency programs merge but that is total different. If you make connections during your clinical years, show up on time, and prove to be better than everyone else, you will succeed.
We just took in an SGU graduate for neurosurgery in GWU last fall. 2 students were offered the position. None of the DO's made it through. I wouldn't trust them to operate on a cadaver let alone a human being.
You will notice that the Osteopathic medical field is a group of individuals very protective over their identity and education trying to cover up for their short comings and not making it into medical school, simply because they weren't cut out to do the job right. Remember DO schools until last year were taking in 24 MCATS and substandard GPA's which was around the same average for the Caribbean upper tiers, SGU, Ross, and AUC.

Your grades do not matter too much when making the decision to apply to medical school in the Caribbean but your desire to do well, better than your classmates, and better than those people who took your admissions spots in the states is up to you. Are you willing to work hard and see your hard work pay off? Or are you a softy who is going to take the easy route, DO, and be offered a substandard education? Few esteemed hospitals will dispatch their DO employees abroad for conferences to present on a topic that the hospital has been researching on, simply because the world knows, DO <<<<<<<MD. In the states there is a Trump concept in some programs where they put American medical students first but there are plenty of programs that will take you. UCLA took a SGU grad for general surgery who was a poor performer in his undergrad years and his GPA and MCAT lagged. Like I said it is up to you. Medical school is not hard, nor is the USMLE, its just a lot of information to process.

I currently work in the field of neurosurgery, though my story is a little different, I grew up in the African subcontinent, completed my medical education there, and my neurosurgery residency, and my degree was not recognized in the states so I received my degree from Ross as well and was able to enter my program. Between my private clinic I make a larger income than Goro and all of his fake accounts he uses to back up his fake butt combined. Somewhere in the 1.2 million dollar range between private practice and faculty teaching.

My advice to you is apply to American programs, if you don't get in, don't waste your time, just go Caribbean work hard, and prove the medical schools wrong, that they made a mistake by not selecting you.
My friend certainly did. People get jealous over income disparity and their own self consciousness of their shortcomings in life and not being as successful so they will make up things as you can see the several accounts above are doing so. Notice how they are allowed to spew out hatred words like "*****, bitch, etc etc" and not get banned on the forums? That's a classic example of a child who was bullied in school and they finally have a chance to feel powerful on an internet forum hiding behind a 2 inch thick monitor and just hit the mute button/ban button when someone says something that doesn't work for them.
Do you want to take advice from a loser like that?
My friend has given you sound advice, and he has the income to prove it. Do a little digging here and there on residency match lists and youll find what he says is true.
Many students do not try hard in the Caribbean and will blame others for their own faults and make the programs look bad.
Goro, Gonnif, LizzyM, and all the other "Administrators" are just the same SDN employee sitting behind a computer answering messages all day. They will argue otherwise to protect their identity of being an internet bully, who probably has to take dozens of pills to control their bipolar disorder. Its the same middle aged unemployed man making a fantasy about himself and repeating useless information.

Anyway as my friend got banned no doubt I will too, so this is my last post here, glad I could reach out to you. There are thousands of MDs from the Caribbean who are successful, and are Medical Doctors. Goodluck to you OP, remember to evaluate your sources.
Don't ever let a joke of a human being like Goro tell you otherwise.
Amazing...how do you have the time to post all of these attacks? I'm glad to see you inflated your income from $600K to $1.2M to increase your credibility.
 
Couldn't stay away, waterunderda bridge? reddit get too boring?

OK, pay attention, you who are soon to be unemployed and deeply in debt. And OP, FYI:


The pool of US applicants from the Caribbean is viewed differently by Program Directors. The DDx for a Caribbean grad is pretty off-putting: bad judgment, bad advice, egotism, gullibility, overbearing parents, inability to delay gratification, IA's, legal problems, weak research skills, high risk behavior. This is not to say that all of them still have the quality that drew them into this situation. There is just no way to know which ones they are. Some PD's are in a position where they need to, or can afford to take risks too! So, some do get interviews.


Bad grades and scores are the least of the deficits from a PD's standpoint. A strong academic showing in a Caribbean medical school does not erase this stigma. It fact it increases the perception that the reason for the choice was on the above-mentioned list!

Just about everyone from a Caribbean school has one or more of these problems and PDs know it. That's why their grads are the last choice even with a high Step 1 score.

There was a time when folks whose only flaw was being a late bloomer went Carib, but those days are gone. There are a number of spots at US schools with grade replacement for these candidates.

It's likely you'll be in the bottom half or two thirds of the class that gets dismissed before Step 1. The business plan of a Carib school depends on the majority of the class not needing to be supported in clinical rotations. They literally can't place all 250+ of the starting class at clinical sites (educational malpractice, really. If this happened at a US school, they be shut down by LCME or COCA, and sued.


The Carib (and other offshore) schools have very tenuous, very expensive, very controversial relationships with a very small number of US clinical sites. You may think you can just ask to do your clinical rotations at a site near home. Nope. You may think you don't have to worry about this stuff. Wrong.

And let's say you get through med school in the Carib and get what you need out of the various clinical rotation scenarios. Then you are in the match gamble. I don't need to say a word about this - you can find everything you need to know at nrmp.org.

You really need to talk to people who made it through Carib into residency, and hear the story from them. How many people were in their class at the start, how many are in it now? How long did it take to get a residency, and how did they handle the gap year(s) and their student loans? How many residencies did they apply to, how many interviews did they get, and were any of the programs on their match list anything like what they wanted?

A little light reading:

https://milliondollarmistake.wordpress.com/

http://www.tameersiddiqui.com/medical-school-at-sgu

Banhammer getting cocked now....wait for it!


I am a medical student who has had enough of this troll called Goro.

First of all let me get to the FAQ's.
1. Yes I don't give a **** about SDN besides the residents forum for quick reads so I am making my first account
2. Yes I am an actual medical student

Okay goro first of all lets describe who you are
Youre a fat balding Oaf behind a computer with split personalities
You grew up having no friends in life and there fore over the multitude of years you've made numerous accounts
You never get banned for the **** you say clearly showing you have the power over this website. Who knows youre probably Lee Burnett and this is your actual form of psychosis that you hide from the medical field
You definitely got rejected at highschool prom
Got rejected on a no-cut sports team for looking like a goddamn jelly man
You weighed 200-300 lbs and looked like a ****ing walking potato throughout your years.
No women batted an eye on you
You certainly spent your lunch money saving up on hookers to lose your virginity but was sadly told you didn't have enough, uglies cost an extra amount
Your grades went south side as you suffered depression knowing that youll never have a chance to have sex with your comic book characters you were so deeply involved in
you spend your current days on numerous accounts pretending to be premeds, moderators, adcom members when in reality no school, especially not a DO school is going to pay a ****** to sit behind a computer and answer SDN, apparently you spend time on reddit too.
Now before you go back and yelll ohh bann hammer thinking youre actually getting revenge by banning this duplicate account on a crappy website where people can still read the forums, consider your life you fat ugly ****.
You're a loser. You literally have no actual job, your entire past years have been involved in faking someone for hours on end on a forum, and when someone says something you don't like you just log on your other account and pretend someone is banning for them.

Premeds may be dumb but they aren't ****ing ******ed like you, which brings up my other point, make sure to use a condom when ****ing your sister (don't do this to begin with) or you produce inbred ******s like Goro. Jesus Christ your mom should've swallowed.

You aren't even a real doctor and you think you can give advice, and when people tell you youre wrong, suddenly they are "Fake profiles to you". Just go check out the reddit forums, yeah youre a ****in loser, people think youre trash. The premeds don't know any btter so they think your "advice" is useful but then again, they are too naïve.

The two articles you posted read the ****in story line behind it. Tameer was too busy jerking off to her culture show during her second semester after already failing one semester. The carribbean accepts all kinds of jackasses including some downsyndrome ***** like yourself, but yeah its why the attrition is so high.
You wanna swing the ban hammer on a neurosurgeon who is the cardio's friend because he disagrees with you, you fat oaf? lets see where he violated the rules

Now stop drinking your own piss because you make yourself look like a goddamn fool on a forum where no one bats an eye. all medical schools agree its a piece of trash and so are you.

No one will ever love you in life, not your mother, no one, you are worthless.

Swing the ban hammer mother****er and nail this starbucks wifi account as I finish my lunch,. you are always going to be trash.

Maybe you should take those carribbean degrees and actually become someone besides a turd on all the forums known to the internet daily.

See you in hell fat****.
 
I am a medical student who has had enough of this troll called Goro.

First of all let me get to the FAQ's.
1. Yes I don't give a **** about SDN besides the residents forum for quick reads so I am making my first account
2. Yes I am an actual medical student

Okay goro first of all lets describe who you are
Youre a fat balding Oaf behind a computer with split personalities
You grew up having no friends in life and there fore over the multitude of years you've made numerous accounts
You never get banned for the **** you say clearly showing you have the power over this website. Who knows youre probably Lee Burnett and this is your actual form of psychosis that you hide from the medical field
You definitely got rejected at highschool prom
Got rejected on a no-cut sports team for looking like a goddamn jelly man
You weighed 200-300 lbs and looked like a ****ing walking potato throughout your years.
No women batted an eye on you
You certainly spent your lunch money saving up on hookers to lose your virginity but was sadly told you didn't have enough, uglies cost an extra amount
Your grades went south side as you suffered depression knowing that youll never have a chance to have sex with your comic book characters you were so deeply involved in
you spend your current days on numerous accounts pretending to be premeds, moderators, adcom members when in reality no school, especially not a DO school is going to pay a ****** to sit behind a computer and answer SDN, apparently you spend time on reddit too.
Now before you go back and yelll ohh bann hammer thinking youre actually getting revenge by banning this duplicate account on a crappy website where people can still read the forums, consider your life you fat ugly ****.
You're a loser. You literally have no actual job, your entire past years have been involved in faking someone for hours on end on a forum, and when someone says something you don't like you just log on your other account and pretend someone is banning for them.

Premeds may be dumb but they aren't ****ing ******ed like you, which brings up my other point, make sure to use a condom when ****ing your sister (don't do this to begin with) or you produce inbred ******s like Goro. Jesus Christ your mom should've swallowed.

You aren't even a real doctor and you think you can give advice, and when people tell you youre wrong, suddenly they are "Fake profiles to you". Just go check out the reddit forums, yeah youre a ****in loser, people think youre trash. The premeds don't know any btter so they think your "advice" is useful but then again, they are too naïve.

The two articles you posted read the ****in story line behind it. Tameer was too busy jerking off to her culture show during her second semester after already failing one semester. The carribbean accepts all kinds of jackasses including some downsyndrome ***** like yourself, but yeah its why the attrition is so high.
You wanna swing the ban hammer on a neurosurgeon who is the cardio's friend because he disagrees with you, you fat oaf? lets see where he violated the rules

Now stop drinking your own piss because you make yourself look like a goddamn fool on a forum where no one bats an eye. all medical schools agree its a piece of trash and so are you.

No one will ever love you in life, not your mother, no one, you are worthless.

Swing the ban hammer mother****er and nail this starbucks wifi account as I finish my lunch,. you are always going to be trash.

Maybe you should take those carribbean degrees and actually become someone besides a turd on all the forums known to the internet daily.

See you in hell fat****.
Holy **** someone is really butt hurt over literally nothing lol.
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I don't know why I'm responding to this thread, especially after seeing the most recent troll....
But while I was observing a DO (who was director of a department at a top 3 hospital in the US), he had a resident who graduated from the Caribbean. The resident told me about what a hard time he had finding a residency (had to take a year off, beg for observerships to network, do research, and ultimately got the spot he did because his father is an attending physician at the hospital where he is a resident and got him an interview). He said that everything was 10x harder as a Carib graduate, and that while he was happy with where he ended up, it was a terrible experience. He recommended that I apply to MD and DO in the US and to avoid Carib as if my life depended on it. FWIW, the DO that I observed was one of the best doctors that I've had the opportunity to witness. Not a single patient or other doctor cared that he was a DO, they cared that he was extremely intelligent and had great bedside manner.

OP, I think retaking the MCAT may help you, along with some GPA repair. I don't think you're too far off (probably just a year, and you may still have luck this cycle if your mcat retake is good) so just keep chugging and you've got this. 🙂
 
I am a medical student who has had enough of this troll called Goro.

First of all let me get to the FAQ's.
1. Yes I don't give a **** about SDN besides the residents forum for quick reads so I am making my first account
2. Yes I am an actual medical student

Okay goro first of all lets describe who you are
Youre a fat balding Oaf behind a computer with split personalities
You grew up having no friends in life and there fore over the multitude of years you've made numerous accounts
You never get banned for the **** you say clearly showing you have the power over this website. Who knows youre probably Lee Burnett and this is your actual form of psychosis that you hide from the medical field
You definitely got rejected at highschool prom
Got rejected on a no-cut sports team for looking like a goddamn jelly man
You weighed 200-300 lbs and looked like a ****ing walking potato throughout your years.
No women batted an eye on you
You certainly spent your lunch money saving up on hookers to lose your virginity but was sadly told you didn't have enough, uglies cost an extra amount
Your grades went south side as you suffered depression knowing that youll never have a chance to have sex with your comic book characters you were so deeply involved in
you spend your current days on numerous accounts pretending to be premeds, moderators, adcom members when in reality no school, especially not a DO school is going to pay a ****** to sit behind a computer and answer SDN, apparently you spend time on reddit too.
Now before you go back and yelll ohh bann hammer thinking youre actually getting revenge by banning this duplicate account on a crappy website where people can still read the forums, consider your life you fat ugly ****.
You're a loser. You literally have no actual job, your entire past years have been involved in faking someone for hours on end on a forum, and when someone says something you don't like you just log on your other account and pretend someone is banning for them.

Premeds may be dumb but they aren't ****ing ******ed like you, which brings up my other point, make sure to use a condom when ****ing your sister (don't do this to begin with) or you produce inbred ******s like Goro. Jesus Christ your mom should've swallowed.

You aren't even a real doctor and you think you can give advice, and when people tell you youre wrong, suddenly they are "Fake profiles to you". Just go check out the reddit forums, yeah youre a ****in loser, people think youre trash. The premeds don't know any btter so they think your "advice" is useful but then again, they are too naïve.

The two articles you posted read the ****in story line behind it. Tameer was too busy jerking off to her culture show during her second semester after already failing one semester. The carribbean accepts all kinds of jackasses including some downsyndrome ***** like yourself, but yeah its why the attrition is so high.
You wanna swing the ban hammer on a neurosurgeon who is the cardio's friend because he disagrees with you, you fat oaf? lets see where he violated the rules

Now stop drinking your own piss because you make yourself look like a goddamn fool on a forum where no one bats an eye. all medical schools agree its a piece of trash and so are you.

No one will ever love you in life, not your mother, no one, you are worthless.

Swing the ban hammer mother****er and nail this starbucks wifi account as I finish my lunch,. you are always going to be trash.

Maybe you should take those carribbean degrees and actually become someone besides a turd on all the forums known to the internet daily.

See you in hell fat****.
Definite anger issues.
 
This thread is kinda of like flipping through the channels and seeing "Toddlers and Tiaras".... You go through a few stages...

1) You slowly come to realize this is actually happening and not some sorta weird stress dream or a bunch of trolling middle school boys
2) You wonder what happened in those people's past to make them like that
3) Still watching you slowly become more and more disgusted
4) But it's like watching Russian dash cam videos, you just can't stop
5) Next you realize that no matter what failures you have, at least you're not like those poor sops
6) You turn off the TV feeling a lot better about your life
 
So one guy just made three different accounts and all three got banned. In one he posed as a ct surgeon, another as a neurosurgeon, then as a medical student. He didn't even make it sound convincing bc writing style was same in every account
 
I suspect that he's a pre-med who frequents reddit. The memes about me and LizzyM being the same person (or we being pre-meds, or SDN administrators, or...well, whatever), get echoed around in there like billows of poison gas.

Ditto the "how can they have all that free time to post?" meme

Actually, it's very easy to flip from my R03 app or latest manuscript to see what's percolating on SDN. You kids really think I wanna lecture note or write grants all day???

Whoever the guy is, he'll never be a doctor.

So one guy just made three different accounts and all three got banned. In one he posed as a ct surgeon, another as a neurosurgeon, then as a medical student. He didn't even make it sound convincing bc writing style was same in every account
 
FWIW, he is right that I've been a member here since 2008 and still "premedical"... Loser to the fullest!!! 🤣
 
Okay, so I was willing to take the leap of faith and believe the bit about a vascular surgeon graduating from Ross 15 years ago. Stranger things have happened.

But then immediately followed up by the neurosurgeon also from Ross (both who just happen to be frequenting pre osteo at the exact same time) who throws a slew of insults about as clever as what one might expect from a high school quarterback who peaked his senior year and then proceeds to fail out of community college? Gimme a break!

OP, these are the types who typically matriculate to Ross and that was probably all one guy who's about to start in a few days. Do you really want to be associated with people like this?


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Hello! I am currently in line for an interview with Ross University and was wondering once they give you an offer, how long does one have to take it/decline it? I am currently waiting to hear from DO schools and was wondering if I should jump for Ross's offer or wait it out for possibly an offer for a seat in this country?

If this was the early 2000s, an island school vs a DO school would not be a huge deal, but today in the year 2016, its a big gamble, even from one of the "better" school its a 50 percent chance assuming you get through all four years at an island school that you will become a practicing physician. Might as well wait it it out until you hear from the DO schools, its still early in the admissions cycle and the reward of going to a DO vs island school today is much better.

Island schools also rig their curriculum to fail people out and only keep people that they know who will ace the boards, that way they can advertise high board pass rates and doctor residency placement rates as well. So if any of these schools tell you that 95 percent of their students pass the USMLE and 95 percent of their students get a residency keep in mind that a large number of the students that enter the school never actually graduate.

There is a pro foreign medical school message board, valuemd.com where I have seen many posters actually choose Caribbean schools over DO schools and wondered what those people were thinking. I think this is especially the case because many of the better applicants at island schools would get into most DO schools.

Lot of things in Medicine have changed for the worse for doctors under the ACA, its particularly so for IMG/FMGs. Things have even gotten harder for US graduates also.

The last time Medicine was a cushy job and provided a person and their family a very nice lifestyle, my avatar was President of the United States, that was a very long time ago.
 
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I am a medical student who has had enough of this troll called Goro.

First of all let me get to the FAQ's.
1. Yes I don't give a **** about SDN besides the residents forum for quick reads so I am making my first account
2. Yes I am an actual medical student

Okay goro first of all lets describe who you are
Youre a fat balding Oaf behind a computer with split personalities
You grew up having no friends in life and there fore over the multitude of years you've made numerous accounts
You never get banned for the **** you say clearly showing you have the power over this website. Who knows youre probably Lee Burnett and this is your actual form of psychosis that you hide from the medical field
You definitely got rejected at highschool prom
Got rejected on a no-cut sports team for looking like a goddamn jelly man
You weighed 200-300 lbs and looked like a ****ing walking potato throughout your years.
No women batted an eye on you
You certainly spent your lunch money saving up on hookers to lose your virginity but was sadly told you didn't have enough, uglies cost an extra amount
Your grades went south side as you suffered depression knowing that youll never have a chance to have sex with your comic book characters you were so deeply involved in
you spend your current days on numerous accounts pretending to be premeds, moderators, adcom members when in reality no school, especially not a DO school is going to pay a ****** to sit behind a computer and answer SDN, apparently you spend time on reddit too.
Now before you go back and yelll ohh bann hammer thinking youre actually getting revenge by banning this duplicate account on a crappy website where people can still read the forums, consider your life you fat ugly ****.
You're a loser. You literally have no actual job, your entire past years have been involved in faking someone for hours on end on a forum, and when someone says something you don't like you just log on your other account and pretend someone is banning for them.

Premeds may be dumb but they aren't ****ing ******ed like you, which brings up my other point, make sure to use a condom when ****ing your sister (don't do this to begin with) or you produce inbred ******s like Goro. Jesus Christ your mom should've swallowed.

You aren't even a real doctor and you think you can give advice, and when people tell you youre wrong, suddenly they are "Fake profiles to you". Just go check out the reddit forums, yeah youre a ****in loser, people think youre trash. The premeds don't know any btter so they think your "advice" is useful but then again, they are too naïve.

The two articles you posted read the ****in story line behind it. Tameer was too busy jerking off to her culture show during her second semester after already failing one semester. The carribbean accepts all kinds of jackasses including some downsyndrome ***** like yourself, but yeah its why the attrition is so high.
You wanna swing the ban hammer on a neurosurgeon who is the cardio's friend because he disagrees with you, you fat oaf? lets see where he violated the rules

Now stop drinking your own piss because you make yourself look like a goddamn fool on a forum where no one bats an eye. all medical schools agree its a piece of trash and so are you.

No one will ever love you in life, not your mother, no one, you are worthless.

Swing the ban hammer mother****er and nail this starbucks wifi account as I finish my lunch,. you are always going to be trash.

Maybe you should take those carribbean degrees and actually become someone besides a turd on all the forums known to the internet daily.

See you in hell fat****.
Oh man I can't believe someone wrote this. This person must be 10 years old because that post was hilarious. So angry over the reality.

I agree with Goro, he has experience on these topics. Just wait a year or two to improve your application. It will take some time but DO schools aren't going anywhere. Life isn't going anywhere, just take your time 🙂
 
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You will notice that the Osteopathic medical field is many Caribbean FMGs are* a group of individuals very protective over their identity and education trying to cover up for their short comings and not making it into medical school, simply because they weren't cut out to do the job right.

I fixed a typo for him.
 
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Tony, these are people with deficits that no amount of GPA repair is going to fix. The only way they're getting into med school is as standardized patients.

Oh man I can't believe someone wrote this. This person must be 10 years old because that post was hilarious. So angry over the reality.

I agree with Goro, he has experience on these topics. Just wait a year or two to improve your application. It will take some time but DO schools aren't going anywhere. Life isn't going anywhere, just take your time 🙂
 
I suspect that he's a pre-med who frequents reddit. The memes about me and LizzyM being the same person (or we being pre-meds, or SDN administrators, or...well, whatever), get echoed around in there like billows of poison gas.

Ditto the "how can they have all that free time to post?" meme

Actually, it's very easy to flip from my R03 app or latest manuscript to see what's percolating on SDN. You kids really think I wanna lecture note or write grants all day???

Whoever the guy is, he'll never be a doctor.

Lol whats a matter goro, a little timid today to actually back yourself up.
Or are all those things in the flame post true
They are true aren't they
Anyone can see youre a sad little ****.
This website and many of the users are sick of your bull****. No one ****ing likes you. Notice its the same fake group of premeds backing you up every time. You can pretend these people who didn't ****ing just hand you, your own ass in a platter aren't real but they . I know I am.
Theres even posts on reddit saying your advice is total trash dating back to 2012. Which by the way you spend your time on reddit. Are you a schizophrenic patient at a medical school? You think a medical school is gonna pay a jackass like yourself to moderate every forum on the web.
Lol look at this "
reddit got too mentally challenging for you?
Pssst...guess what...you're never going to be a doctor!

Cue the banhammer!"

Telling people they will never be doctors, bitch please, you don't even have control over your own ****in erections you impotent swine. Everyone knows you think your words are the law when its just a bunch of crap you made up from your own dingus. Youll never be handed the power to select applicants from a pool. Didn't you read, these people are already past the medical school stage you ******. You can deny it all you want, youre a piece of worthless trash. My ****in dog's **** serves a better purpose to society than your fat ass.

And for the love of god, stop saying banhammer you transsexual swine, the only banhammer that exists is the one that hit you on your head as a baby and lead you to being such a ****in *****, oh wait your brain damage is due to being inbred produce.

I particularly laugh at your statement "Actually, it's very easy to flip from my R03 app or latest manuscript to see what's percolating on SDN. You kids really think I wanna lecture note or write grants all day". Bitch please, the only thing you flip is your ****in 2 inch dick all ****in day infront of free porn you can get your hands on.
You think premeds are ****in stupid, No ****in medical school is gonna hire a down syndrome afflicted oaf like yourself to manage grants. You've been caught, youre a ****in fake.
So tell us the real story, are you a former pre-med reject, what is the real Goro. Oh wait that guy did a great job of saying exactly who you are. And the reason you don't counter that is its all true. haha you sadistic ****, I enjoyed watching you finally get served. You think the sdn folks finally speaking out against you give two ****s about these accounts? No bitch. You have no power , keep masturbating to calm yourself down in a basement somewhere.

Thank god the united states is running out of social security and welfare funds, finally a dog like you will ultimately end up where he belongs, a homeless man on the streets.

Lata turd.
 
Definite anger issues.
These aren't anger issues, goro on a third account. Seriously stop using the same accounts to cover your own ass. People are feddup with this pig playing Disney princess on the forums. Like how stupid are you to use the same alue of a posy to try to make yourself seem like you have friends you lonely loser.
 
Sometimes I come back to SDN at be like :whoa:

Youre one of goros accounts too, just shows up when ever he is around. ****in terd rofl. Uses the same 3rd class grandpa language that this ***** uses. Come up with something original Goro.
 
I'll have to edit what I wrote above. The only way this fool is getting into med school, grey, is as a cadaver.

The psychosis that anyone defending me or DOs is actually me using an alt account is novel. I've never seen four respawns for a troll In a single day, either. That must be a record.

For those of you already in med school, and have had Psychiatry yet, would you recommend thorazine for poor guck? Or Haloperidol? [sp?] I don't think a lobotomy will improve him.

I do enjoy the smack of that banhammer though.

Sometimes I come back to SDN and be like :whoa:
 
I'll have to edit what I wrote above. The only way this fool is getting into med school, grey, is as a cadaver.

The psychosis that anyone defending me or DOs is actually me using an alt account is novel. I've never seen four respawns for a troll In a single day, either. That must be a record.

For those of you already in med school, and have had Psychiatry yet, would you recommend thorazine for poor guck? Or Haloperidol? [sp?] I don't think a lobotomy will improve him.

I do enjoy the smack of that banhammer though.

Lol you think this guy would come up with something to actually defend himself. As a cadaver? what kind of poor-ass thought insult is that, at an attempt to ignore the question, Theres no logic to that you stupid ****, if you try to insult someone come up with something to back yourself up.
Moreover, youre not an adcom, and who the **** says I want to get into medical school? Im done with it you idiot.
You are POWERLESS , let these words sink into your atomic sized brain.
Or better yet log on one of your other accounts at midnight and defend yourself. Psychosis lol, says the nut**** who literally has dozens of accounts over the years with multiple profiles. I told you, pre-meds arent as ******ed as you.
yet he comes up with more useless insults, btw dumb**** lobotomy has been proven to be an unsuccessful treatment for decades now. Cant even argue with facts
Come up with something goro, pathetic swine, counter what weve told you. Youre a loser.
Prove us wrong, prove youre actually an adcom, (a joke of one, if they ever spent this much time all day on sdn, no wonder DO schools accept anyone).

Banhammer? you mean on this one day old account I made using hidemyass.com? Suck my nuts ******.
 
Lol you think this guy would come up with something to actually defend himself. As a cadaver? what kind of poor-ass thought insult is that, at an attempt to ignore the question, Theres no logic to that you stupid ****, if you try to insult someone come up with something to back yourself up.
Moreover, youre not an adcom, and who the **** says I want to get into medical school? Im done with it you idiot.
You are POWERLESS , let these words sink into your atomic sized brain.
Or better yet log on one of your other accounts at midnight and defend yourself. Psychosis lol, says the nut**** who literally has dozens of accounts over the years with multiple profiles. I told you, pre-meds arent as ******ed as you.
yet he comes up with more useless insults, btw dumb**** lobotomy has been proven to be an unsuccessful treatment for decades now. Cant even argue with facts
Come up with something goro, pathetic swine, counter what weve told you. Youre a loser.
Prove us wrong, prove youre actually an adcom, (a joke of one, if they ever spent this much time all day on sdn, no wonder DO schools accept anyone).

Banhammer? you mean on this one day old account I made using hidemyass.com? Suck my nuts ******.

Actually the lobotomy was very effective as a treatment. They quit doing it because it was inhumane.

Just sayin.
 
Oh yess... another one of these threads again. It's that time of the year!!! 🙂

Waiting for to turn into a ****storm and be locked like every other DO/Carib/IMG/Merger debate thread.

OP.

Don't do it dude.

Bring up your GPA. Shadow a few DOs. Hop on that DO bandwagon before it leaves that station cause lord knows... it's choo-choo-choo'in away!!!
 
Lol you think this guy would come up with something to actually defend himself. As a cadaver? what kind of poor-ass thought insult is that, at an attempt to ignore the question, Theres no logic to that you stupid ****, if you try to insult someone come up with something to back yourself up.
Moreover, youre not an adcom, and who the **** says I want to get into medical school? Im done with it you idiot.
You are POWERLESS , let these words sink into your atomic sized brain.
Or better yet log on one of your other accounts at midnight and defend yourself. Psychosis lol, says the nut**** who literally has dozens of accounts over the years with multiple profiles. I told you, pre-meds arent as ******ed as you.
yet he comes up with more useless insults, btw dumb**** lobotomy has been proven to be an unsuccessful treatment for decades now. Cant even argue with facts
Come up with something goro, pathetic swine, counter what weve told you. Youre a loser.
Prove us wrong, prove youre actually an adcom, (a joke of one, if they ever spent this much time all day on sdn, no wonder DO schools accept anyone).

Banhammer? you mean on this one day old account I made using hidemyass.com? Suck my nuts ******.

LMAO...

idk about you guys... but this is EXACTLY the type of behavior that makes PDs really hesitant in taking you guys in for residency.

@Goro what were the symptoms for a crazy IMG applicant again?

OP. Listen to Goro. Dude has saved many people's asses on here.... mine included.
 
HAHAHAAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA best troll of year!
DO and MD education is literally identical with only difference that DOs learn OMM also. In essence you are saying that MD education is substandard as well.

Mcat and gpa averages of DO matriculants rises yearly and now handul of DO schools have exceeded MD averages. Overall, the difference is 3 MCAT points on old scale and 1-2 gpa points.


Carrib match rate is bs, 50% fail out and the match rate isn't over 80%.


I'll just stop because your entire post was nonsense, literally not even a single fact. Very immoral to intentionally misguide premeds like this.

Can you drive home safely with your opposite foot? yes sure, many people probably can. But your chance of accidents and issues getting home will be much higher than if you drive with your regular foot. Hope you get the metaphor

this post made me lol. "Chiming in for my buddy here..." LMAO
 
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I would tell people to go to podiatry school before ever thinking about the Caribbean. At least after 7 years you get to be a foot and ankle surgeon.

Heck, it's almost to the point that you would recommend people go to pharmacy school rather than the Caribbean. I mean sure, u would be miserable as a pharmacist, but at least you will make 120k/year to pay off that massive debt. If you don't fail out of a Caribbean school in the first two years, then prepare for a chance of hoping and crossing your fingers you can get into that crappy internal medicine residency out in the middle of nowhere Wyoming. Which is fine, I wouldn't mind that cuz I like rural areas, but man, some people don't even get that!
 
Notice its the same fake group of premeds backing you up every time.

Well now I'm having an existential crisis. Is any of this real? What is life man.

On another note how is this thread still going? It just seems like click bait for stupidity. This thread has been so derailed it's not even a DO vs Carib fight anymore it's just one guy coming back over and over because he doesn't like Goro.

Edit: actually nvm, OP can learn a lot from these comments

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I should send this thread to my psychiatrist colleague Dr JY. I'll bet we could get a case report out of it. Subject guck might be the only person to be autorejected for med school even as a cadaver.

I think OP got his answer and it's time for mods to euthanize the thread. Whaddya think?
 
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