Class of 2023 Hopefuls

[SkiOtter]

How did those of you who are 2nd, 3rd, 4th time applicants navigate having to ask for recommendation letters again? I've worked at the same hospital for 1.5 years and got letters from the two vets I work with this past cycle. I'm likely going to have to apply again, and I'm wondering if I should try to switch over to a new job and make new connections, or if I should shamefully ask the same vets to write me letters again. I'm worried that they will think I'm a failure and won't write them again.

I think I'm afraid of this because they were both 4.0 ivy leaguers who would probably never imagine that someone could not get into vet school the first time they applied.




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If you have a good relationship with the vets you’ve been working for for 1.5 years, 1000000% ask them to write new letters. I had to apply a second cycle and still used the same vet to write mine because I had continued shadowing there. I did get in that second cycle and I’m sure my letter was even better the second time around because I had been shadowing an extra year there. Don’t feel like you’re a failure for not getting in the first time, most people don’t. My other letterwriters changed to people who knew me better by the next cycle rather than using the same people who I hadn’t seen/talked to much at all that year, but I kept the dvm the same because I continued shadowing there.

TL;DR keep the same vet letters. They won’t think you’re a failure if you don’t make it in the first cycle.

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[desmodus]

How did those of you who are 2nd, 3rd, 4th time applicants navigate having to ask for recommendation letters again? I've worked at the same hospital for 1.5 years and got letters from the two vets I work with this past cycle. I'm likely going to have to apply again, and I'm wondering if I should try to switch over to a new job and make new connections, or if I should shamefully ask the same vets to write me letters again. I'm worried that they will think I'm a failure and won't write them again.

I think I'm afraid of this because they were both 4.0 ivy leaguers who would probably never imagine that someone could not get into vet school the first time they applied.

I had a very similar anxiety when applying this cycle. Once I finally got the courage to give an update to my evaluators on where I was in the process and ask for letters again, I was astounded at how supportive they were! If they wrote you a strong letter initially, it's clear that they want to see you succeed. Everyone takes a different path to get there!

 

[vethopeful_2]

If you have a good relationship with the vets you’ve been working for for 1.5 years, 1000000% ask them to write new letters. I had to apply a second cycle and still used the same vet to write mine because I had continued shadowing there. I did get in that second cycle and I’m sure my letter was even better the second time around because I had been shadowing an extra year there. Don’t feel like you’re a failure for not getting in the first time, most people don’t. My other letterwriters changed to people who knew me better by the next cycle rather than using the same people who I hadn’t seen/talked to much at all that year, but I kept the dvm the same because I continued shadowing there.

TL;DR keep the same vet letters. They won’t think you’re a failure if you don’t make it in the first cycle.

I definitely don't think it's uncommon to have to apply more than once, I mean I went into this cycle knowing that *statistically* I was going to have to apply again. And I've been honest with the vets I work with that I'm not a shoe-in candidate and that this was a possibility, but they always say "no no no you'll be fine". I'm always like ehh no I'm not bluffing haha.

Thanks for your advice and encouragement! I don't know why I'm so nervous to ask again. I'm just afraid they will lose faith in me if I don't get in this cycle and then I will be screwed if they don't want to write new letters. Maybe I should put out some feelers just to make sure they would be ok with it again?




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[vethopeful_2]

I had a very similar anxiety when applying this cycle. Once I finally got the courage to give an update to my evaluators on where I was in the process and ask for letters again, I was astounded at how supportive they were! If they wrote you a strong letter initially, it's clear that they want to see you succeed. Everyone takes a different path to get there!

I am also nervous just to give updates on the application process as well! I technically haven't even been rejected yet, but I'm already dreading the conversation if it arises. Which is ironic because I'm really not going to be that shocked/mad at myself if I don't get in my first cycle, but for some reason I feel like other people will be. Which is usually the opposite of how things go lol. But you really gave me the affirmation I needed. Usually the anticipation is way worse than the outcome and I need to just be confident enough in myself to ask again. Thank you!!


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[MSUcvmHOPE]

How did those of you who are 2nd, 3rd, 4th time applicants navigate having to ask for recommendation letters again? I've worked at the same hospital for 1.5 years and got letters from the two vets I work with this past cycle. I'm likely going to have to apply again, and I'm wondering if I should try to switch over to a new job and make new connections, or if I should shamefully ask the same vets to write me letters again. I'm worried that they will think I'm a failure and won't write them again.

I think I'm afraid of this because they were both 4.0 ivy leaguers who would probably never imagine that someone could not get into vet school the first time they applied.




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I worried about this too, but I found when I told the vets I worked with that I didn't get in they were actually asking if I was going to try again and offering to write letters for the next cycle. The most important thing about your letters is how they think of you: The longer that relationship and how that reflects on the hours you've earned is key. I was worried that by not getting in would make them disappointed but they were all very supportive! (In my 3rd attempt!)
Side note if they don't support you re-applying, maybe don't ask them for a letter again (may indicate that they won't write a very supportive letter).

 

[M.v.123]

How did those of you who are 2nd, 3rd, 4th time applicants navigate having to ask for recommendation letters again? I've worked at the same hospital for 1.5 years and got letters from the two vets I work with this past cycle. I'm likely going to have to apply again, and I'm wondering if I should try to switch over to a new job and make new connections, or if I should shamefully ask the same vets to write me letters again. I'm worried that they will think I'm a failure and won't write them again.

I think I'm afraid of this because they were both 4.0 ivy leaguers who would probably never imagine that someone could not get into vet school the first time they applied.




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First of all, chin up! ️ This is my first time applying, but I think my words can offer some hope... The vets that you work with are most definitely very aware of how competitive getting in to Vet school is. Just because they didn’t have any difficulty with getting in, does not mean that it isn’t difficult to get in. I am sure they would understand and would be willing to write you letters again! Who knows, this might still be your year, and if not, there is absolutely no shame in asking again. If they would look down on you in any way, maybe it is time to make new connections. Best of luck!


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[mmmdreamerz]

First of all, chin up! ️ This is my first time applying, but I think my words can offer some hope... The vets that you work with are most definitely very aware of how competitive getting in to Vet school is. Just because they didn’t have any difficulty with getting in, does not mean that it isn’t difficult to get in. I am sure they would understand and would be willing to write you letters again! Who knows, this might still be your year, and if not, there is absolutely no shame in asking again. If they would look down on you in any way, maybe it is time to make new connections. Best of luck!


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Furthermore, several of them probably had to apply more than once themselves.

 

[spottedfeatherik]

Hi! Could use a little help. I've been trying to calculate for the schools that I've applied to the number of OOS seats offered versus the number of students that generally apply.
I have been using this page (AAVMC | Admitted Student Statistics), which has a tab for geographic origin (state) of admitted students per school for c/o 2021, and a tab for admitted students stats for c/o 2021 (which has class size, number of IS/OOS students who applied, etc). I've been using this page because I find that it is the most accurate and/or most recent for applicant data, because a lot of schools don't make their data regarding exact breakdown of applicant numbers public on their webpages, and when they do it's often rife with mistakes or is out of date because they're from much older application cycles; the AAVMC descriptor pages for the schools are no better because they basically just copy/paste whatever data the schools put on their personal pages. If people know of a more reliable site with the numbers I am looking for, please let me know!
Basically, what I've been doing is looking at each school, totaling the number of students admitted who are either IS or from contracted states, subtracting this number from the class size to see how many seats are available to OOS students, and then dividing that number by the total number of OOS students who apply.
However, I just realized I've been including contracted state students into the total for the IS pool, when I don't know if that is actually how it works. Would schools report students who are OOS but contracted to be a part of their IS pool, or would they still report them as OOS students even though they are contracted because they're still OOS?
I know this sounds super confusing, but if someone can give me a hand answering this question or give me a better way to compute this data, I would appreciate it!

 

[M&D]

Hi! Could use a little help. I've been trying to calculate for the schools that I've applied to the number of OOS seats offered versus the number of students that generally apply.
I have been using this page (AAVMC | Admitted Student Statistics), which has a tab for geographic origin (state) of admitted students per school for c/o 2021, and a tab for admitted students stats for c/o 2021 (which has class size, number of IS/OOS students who applied, etc). I've been using this page because I find that it is the most accurate and/or most recent for applicant data, because a lot of schools don't make their data regarding exact breakdown of applicant numbers public on their webpages, and when they do it's often rife with mistakes or is out of date because they're from much older application cycles; the AAVMC descriptor pages for the schools are no better because they basically just copy/paste whatever data the schools put on their personal pages. If people know of a more reliable site with the numbers I am looking for, please let me know!
Basically, what I've been doing is looking at each school, totaling the number of students admitted who are either IS or from contracted states, subtracting this number from the class size to see how many seats are available to OOS students, and then dividing that number by the total number of OOS students who apply.
However, I just realized I've been including contracted state students into the total for the IS pool, when I don't know if that is actually how it works. Would schools report students who are OOS but contracted to be a part of their IS pool, or would they still report them as OOS students even though they are contracted because they're still OOS?
I know this sounds super confusing, but if someone can give me a hand answering this question or give me a better way to compute this data, I would appreciate it!

I believe this document has what you're looking for.

 

[janefresheyre]

Hi! Could use a little help. I've been trying to calculate for the schools that I've applied to the number of OOS seats offered versus the number of students that generally apply.
I have been using this page (AAVMC | Admitted Student Statistics), which has a tab for geographic origin (state) of admitted students per school for c/o 2021, and a tab for admitted students stats for c/o 2021 (which has class size, number of IS/OOS students who applied, etc). I've been using this page because I find that it is the most accurate and/or most recent for applicant data, because a lot of schools don't make their data regarding exact breakdown of applicant numbers public on their webpages, and when they do it's often rife with mistakes or is out of date because they're from much older application cycles; the AAVMC descriptor pages for the schools are no better because they basically just copy/paste whatever data the schools put on their personal pages. If people know of a more reliable site with the numbers I am looking for, please let me know!
Basically, what I've been doing is looking at each school, totaling the number of students admitted who are either IS or from contracted states, subtracting this number from the class size to see how many seats are available to OOS students, and then dividing that number by the total number of OOS students who apply.
However, I just realized I've been including contracted state students into the total for the IS pool, when I don't know if that is actually how it works. Would schools report students who are OOS but contracted to be a part of their IS pool, or would they still report them as OOS students even though they are contracted because they're still OOS?
I know this sounds super confusing, but if someone can give me a hand answering this question or give me a better way to compute this data, I would appreciate it!

https://vetschoolbound.org/what-are-my-chances-of-getting-into-veterinary-school/

This might also help! I'm not sure of its accuracy re: contract vs OOS students but it definitely helps in terms of general numbers.

 

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[spottedfeatherik]

https://vetschoolbound.org/what-are-my-chances-of-getting-into-veterinary-school/

This might also help! I'm not sure of its accuracy re: contract vs OOS students but it definitely helps in terms of general numbers.

I believe this document has what you're looking for.

So both of these sources definitely do not include contract state students within their reported IS student pools. For example, Iowa State has about 60 seats saved for Iowa students (with c/o 2021, 57 enrolled), 25 seats saved for Nebraska students, 4 seats saved for North Dakota students, and 6 seats saved for South Dakota students. However, the IS student pool these sources report for Iowa State is 57 - therefore they're lumping in the seats saved for NE/ND/SD students into the OOS applicant pool. I get why they would do this, because NE/ND/SD students are OOS even if they have IS tuition and seats saved; but because these 35 seats are being included in the OOS pool, this artificially inflates the number of seats it seems that are available to the at large student population by a very large amount.
And these sources show seat inflation for every school that contracts, not just Iowa State. So I guess is the answer is that these schools do consider contract state students to be OOS; but I guess the next question is, is there any way to determine the number of contract state students that apply so they (and their seats) can be removed from the at large OOS population, or is there any place that shows purely just at large OOS numbers and seats without contract students lumped in with them?

 

[battie]

is there any way to determine the number of contract state students that apply so they (and their seats) can be removed from the at large OOS population,

I honestly think the only way to know those numbers is by contacting the schools directly.

On this note, also remember that some schools have early acceptance students as well. As an example, IL accepts a ton of students from Augustana, a local undergraduate institution, through their 3+1 program. They do 3 years at Auggie, then their first year at UIUC counts as their final year of undergrad. But these students are accepted/rejected prior to anyone else through a separate system. But, they are still counted in the IS/OOS number of matriculated and accepted people per class just like contract students.

 

[superduck212]

Hi! Could use a little help. I've been trying to calculate for the schools that I've applied to the number of OOS seats offered versus the number of students that generally apply.
I have been using this page which has a tab for geographic origin (state) of admitted students per school for c/o 2021, and a tab for admitted students stats for c/o 2021 (which has class size, number of IS/OOS students who applied, etc). I've been using this page because I find that it is the most accurate and/or most recent for applicant data, because a lot of schools don't make their data regarding exact breakdown of applicant numbers public on their webpages, and when they do it's often rife with mistakes or is out of date because they're from much older application cycles; the AAVMC descriptor pages for the schools are no better because they basically just copy/paste whatever data the schools put on their personal pages. If people know of a more reliable site with the numbers I am looking for, please let me know!
Basically, what I've been doing is looking at each school, totaling the number of students admitted who are either IS or from contracted states, subtracting this number from the class size to see how many seats are available to OOS students, and then dividing that number by the total number of OOS students who apply.
However, I just realized I've been including contracted state students into the total for the IS pool, when I don't know if that is actually how it works. Would schools report students who are OOS but contracted to be a part of their IS pool, or would they still report them as OOS students even though they are contracted because they're still OOS?
I know this sounds super confusing, but if someone can give me a hand answering this question or give me a better way to compute this data, I would appreciate it!

you need to relax

 

[spottedfeatherik]

you need to relax

I didn’t mean to bother anyone with this. I picked up from my family a habit of being overly analytical and detail focused when it comes to thinks like admissions statistics. My dad was just like this when I was applying to college, so I guess I got it from him.

But telling me I need to relax isn’t helpful, because this is my way of handling being stressed about this whole situation of waiting to hear back from schools (which I assume most everyone is). Again, didn’t mean to bother anyone - I just came here with a question because I thought other people might have answers and I’ve seen this space used as a place where people help and support each other with things like this - but if I did, then I’m sorry.

 

[Caiter92]

I didn’t mean to bother anyone with this. I picked up from my family a habit of being overly analytical and detail focused when it comes to thinks like admissions statistics. My dad was just like this when I was applying to college, so I guess I got it from him.

But telling me I need to relax isn’t helpful, because this is my way of handling being stressed about this whole situation of waiting to hear back from schools (which I assume most everyone is). Again, didn’t mean to bother anyone - I just came here with a question because I thought other people might have answers and I’ve seen this space used as a place where people help and support each other with things like this - but if I did, then I’m sorry.

Usually schools post a break down of their accepted applicants, and will note OOS students as well as contract. Your best bet would be to look at the website for each school you applied to, and look at the info on their admissions tab.

But really, at this point the info isn’t going to do you any good after you’ve already applied and will likely just worry you more

 

[WildZoo]

I didn’t mean to bother anyone with this. I picked up from my family a habit of being overly analytical and detail focused when it comes to thinks like admissions statistics. My dad was just like this when I was applying to college, so I guess I got it from him.

But telling me I need to relax isn’t helpful, because this is my way of handling being stressed about this whole situation of waiting to hear back from schools (which I assume most everyone is). Again, didn’t mean to bother anyone - I just came here with a question because I thought other people might have answers and I’ve seen this space used as a place where people help and support each other with things like this - but if I did, then I’m sorry.

I don't really think you bothered anyone, but my immediate thought was along similar lines - seemed like it was coming from a place of stress and at this point it's not going to do anything for you because it's out of your hands until interviews happen. The time to figure out those kind of stats would have been before you applied, so you could perhaps use the data strategically.

If it's what helps you cope then that's chill. I just figure there might be better uses of your time that would relieve stress instead of potentially creating more, but we're not here to tell you what to do with your life

 

[Georgethecat]

https://vetschoolbound.org/what-are-my-chances-of-getting-into-veterinary-school/

This might also help! I'm not sure of its accuracy re: contract vs OOS students but it definitely helps in terms of general numbers.

Interesting link. The costs they are reporting (at least for the couple I checked) are not correct. And at least for UGA the contract seats they have for SC (17) and DE (1-2 if Delaware funds them) are part of the OOS seats listed.

 

[battie]

And at least for UGA the contract seats they have for SC (17) and DE (1-2 if Delaware funds them) are part of the OOS seats listed.

As far as I know, the states that have contract seats are essentially paying the difference between in state and out of state tuition for those seats. So Delaware should be paying for those seats.

 

[battie]

I didn’t mean to bother anyone with this

No one said they were bothered. But as a community, older or more long term posters tell people to chill pretty regularly this time of year. It's not meant to tear you down or anything like that. It's because this is a high stress time in a high stress field with highly stressed people. It's the community looking out for others from a mental health perspective.

 

[Georgethecat]

As far as I know, the states that have contract seats are essentially paying the difference between in state and out of state tuition for those seats. So Delaware should be paying for those seats.

You are correct, but it’s up to Delaware’s budget as to how many seats they fund. Some years it’s been 2 seats and other years only 1. SC funds 17 seats. That leaves 15-16 seats for non-funded OOS seats.

 

[Caiter92]

As far as I know, the states that have contract seats are essentially paying the difference between in state and out of state tuition for those seats. So Delaware should be paying for those seats.

They might have meant DE doesn’t have funding for them every year? I know with WICHE, yiu can be accepted as a WICHE applicant to a school, but may not end up receiving state funding.

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[sheltermed]

@Georgethecat completely off topic but I love who I am assuming is George in your avatar. such a great pic. I love him.

<-- As you can see I [had] a similar lookin' one

 

[spottedfeatherik]

If it's what helps you cope then that's chill. I just figure there might be better uses of your time that would relieve stress instead of potentially creating more, but we're not here to tell you what to do with your life

No one said they were bothered. But as a community, older or more long term posters tell people to chill pretty regularly this time of year. It's not meant to tear you down or anything like that. It's because this is a high stress time in a high stress field with highly stressed people. It's the community looking out for others from a mental health perspective.

Yeah, I know it sounds crazy, but this just is how I relax lol. Having numbers in my head that I know are specific and real chills me out cause it's something I can wrap my head around, something I can count on, and it prevents me from being too upset when I ultimately get rejected from something.

But thank you to those of you who are just looking out for me - I know my way of chilling isn't really "normal", so I get why people just wanted to help.

 

[battie]

You are correct, but it’s up to Delaware’s budget as to how many seats they fund. Some years it’s been 2 seats and other years only 1. SC funds 17 seats. That leaves 15-16 seats for non-funded OOS seats.

They might have meant DE doesn’t have funding for them every year? I know with WICHE, yiu can be accepted as a WICHE applicant to a school, but may not end up receiving state funding.

Edit: ninja’d

Ah. I knew WICHE funding shifts year to year, but I didn't even think of how the states that contract individually would also have fluctuating funding.

 

[Georgethecat]

@Georgethecat completely off topic but I love who I am assuming is George in your avatar. such a great pic. I love him.

<-- As you can see I [had] a similar lookin' one

I love him too lol. He’s my nap buddy burrowing under the quilt

 

[DVMDream]

Yeah, I know it sounds crazy, but this just is how I relax lol. Having numbers in my head that I know are specific and real chills me out cause it's something I can wrap my head around, something I can count on, and it prevents me from being too upset when I ultimately get rejected from something.

But thank you to those of you who are just looking out for me - I know my way of chilling isn't really "normal", so I get why people just wanted to help.

You'll never get real or accurate numbers for this. The schools change things year to year based on the applicant pool. I've seen schools accept more OOS than IS because there weren't enough qualified IS applicants that year and vice versa. Not to mention that the vast majority of schools over accept OOS students for the seats they have available because many OOS applicants will decline for either their IS or another school. If you base it off z school admitted 50 OOS students out of 600 OOS applicants. ..you're going to freak yourself out because the real statistic is more like z school accepted 150 OOS students and of those 50 accepted the offer and were admitted.

 

[vetmedhead]

You'll never get real or accurate numbers for this. The schools change things year to year based on the applicant pool. I've seen schools accept more OOS than IS because there weren't enough qualified IS applicants that year and vice versa. Not to mention that the vast majority of schools over accept OOS students for the seats they have available because many OOS applicants will decline for either their IS or another school. If you base it off z school admitted 50 OOS students out of 600 OOS applicants. ..you're going to freak yourself out because the real statistic is more like z school accepted 150 OOS students and of those 50 accepted the offer and were admitted.

Things like dual programs will throw off IS numbers too. I'm pretty sure I was counted in my class's IS admissions statistics (as were at least 8-9 other dual program people) even though I applied as an OOS student and also didn't apply during the admissions cycle for my actual graduating class year

 

[battie]

And you'll have people like me who end up repeating the year for whatever reason.

In my "new" class alone, three of us repeated for grades, three for health/personal deferment (one of which started in 2019), and now there is a confirmed deferral from 2020 and another one that may possibly happen later on in the year. If you count all of those together, that's 8 people that weren't originally in 2021, but are included in the 2021 statistics. And we are confirmed losing one at the end of the year so she can start her PhD. None of that info can be found anywhere unless you're in the thick of it.

 

[spottedfeatherik]

You'll never get real or accurate numbers for this. The schools change things year to year based on the applicant pool. I've seen schools accept more OOS than IS because there weren't enough qualified IS applicants that year and vice versa. Not to mention that the vast majority of schools over accept OOS students for the seats they have available because many OOS applicants will decline for either their IS or another school. If you base it off z school admitted 50 OOS students out of 600 OOS applicants. ..you're going to freak yourself out because the real statistic is more like z school accepted 150 OOS students and of those 50 accepted the offer and were admitted.

Do you know if there ever has been a situation where a school over accepts OOS students, and then too many OOS students accept the offer which makes the class size too large? Would schools ever change their decision and turn down a student they already gave an acceptance offer to because too many other students have already committed and they went over their class seat cap? I know it sounds like a ridiculous question but that literally happened to people the year I applied to undergrad - they got an offer and then it got pulled from them later.


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[SkiOtter]

Do you know if there ever has been a situation where a school over accepts OOS students, and then too many OOS students accept the offer which makes the class size too large? Would schools ever change their decision and turn down a student they already gave an acceptance offer to because too many other students have already committed and they went over their class seat cap? I know it sounds like a ridiculous question but that literally happened to people the year I applied to undergrad - they got an offer and then it got pulled from them later.


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[DVMDream]

Do you know if there ever has been a situation where a school over accepts OOS students, and then too many OOS students accept the offer which makes the class size too large? Would schools ever change their decision and turn down a student they already gave an acceptance offer to because too many other students have already committed and they went over their class seat cap? I know it sounds like a ridiculous question but that literally happened to people the year I applied to undergrad - they got an offer and then it got pulled from them later.


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Yes, this has happened. The schools accommodated for those that were accepted.

 

[battie]

and then too many OOS students accept the offer which makes the class size too large?

Incidentally, that happened to my original class. Originally, 180 of us accepted the offer. They closed the wait list on April 16th. By the time classes rolled around, there were 161 of us when there were supposed to be 130. The other 50 people either ended up deferring or going to other schools, but all were able to keep their acceptance. We got a COE site visit due to it, and 2020 has been experiencing the growing pains from the beginning. They're down to 154 (lost 6 to grades/deferral, but gained a PhD student). But, gotta give Illinois props here: they've made it work to the point where problems aren't any worse than what the average class experiences.

 

[mmmdreamerz]

Do you know if there ever has been a situation where a school over accepts OOS students, and then too many OOS students accept the offer which makes the class size too large? Would schools ever change their decision and turn down a student they already gave an acceptance offer to because too many other students have already committed and they went over their class seat cap? I know it sounds like a ridiculous question but that literally happened to people the year I applied to undergrad - they got an offer and then it got pulled from them later.


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This happened to the class ahead of me. My school offered students a free MPH to defer (which was double useful because they could work on residency a year early if OOS). Schools do there best to “guess” how many offers they need to extend to fill their class but applicant behavior will vary. This doesn’t happen that often though. I think 2020 class was a weird year for admissions at a few schools.

 

[Old-Country-Vet-Tech]

Im OOS everywhere but UF and im not too confident with my chances at UF.

 

[WildZoo]

Im OOS everywhere but UF and im not too confident with my chances at UF.

I was too. Didn't even get an interview at UF, but got in elsewhere and thankfully was able to switch to IS after my first year. We actually have a fair number of Florida students in every class here...I think it is the most represented state among OOS students.

 

[Old-Country-Vet-Tech]

I was too. Didn't even get an interview at UF, but got in elsewhere and thankfully was able to switch to IS after my first year. We actually have a fair number of Florida students in every class here...I think it is the most represented state among OOS students.

UF I hope will someday start to change its admissions like others are starting to. It's a fantastic school but it's like Harvard trying to get in. They do have some awesome lab space though

 

[M.v.123]

They might have meant DE doesn’t have funding for them every year? I know with WICHE, yiu can be accepted as a WICHE applicant to a school, but may not end up receiving state funding.

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Hmm. Being from a Wiche State, what does it mean you can be accepted to wiche but not receive state funding? Just out of curiosity, as I am hoping to be granted wiche


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[Caiter92]

Hmm. Being from a Wiche State, what does it mean you can be accepted to wiche but not receive state funding? Just out of curiosity, as I am hoping to be granted wiche


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You can be accepted as a WICHE applicant to the school (example: WSU will accept some people without interviewing as WICHE, and then others get conditional offers of a WICHE spot if their state chooses them as a recipient of funding (since you have to apply for WICHE funding)), but your state might not be able to fund you.

I don’t think it happens often, but it can.

 

[vetmedhead]

You can be accepted as a WICHE applicant to the school (example: WSU will accept some people without interviewing as WICHE, and then others get conditional offers of a WICHE spot if their state chooses them as a recipient of funding (since you have to apply for WICHE funding)), but your state might not be able to fund you.

I don’t think it happens often, but it can.

From my understanding it actually happens with a fair level of frequency depending on the state. Basically the state gets together to go over all the applications of students from that state who want WICHE funding and determine a list of who they will fund (since in many states there are more applicants from that state than there are seats they can fund). Meanwhile students apply to WICHE schools for admissions. It is theoretically possible to have students who the state wanted to fund but who didn't get in or to have students who got in but who the state didn't want to fund. I am aware of a fair number of students at my school at least who are OOS because their state did not want to fund them. I believe the way my school accepts these students is something along the lines of accepting them as OOS students but will change them to WICHE students as soon as they hear back on the funding since WICHE usually announces their lists very late in the admissions process.

 

[M.v.123]

From my understanding it actually happens with a fair level of frequency depending on the state. Basically the state gets together to go over all the applications of students from that state who want WICHE funding and determine a list of who they will fund (since in many states there are more applicants from that state than there are seats they can fund). Meanwhile students apply to WICHE schools for admissions. It is theoretically possible to have students who the state wanted to fund but who didn't get in or to have students who got in but who the state didn't want to fund. I am aware of a fair number of students at my school at least who are OOS because their state did not want to fund them. I believe the way my school accepts these students is something along the lines of accepting them as OOS students but will change them to WICHE students as soon as they hear back on the funding since WICHE usually announces their lists very late in the admissions process.

Oh. Ok! That actually makes a lot of sense. Because I was accepted to WSU as OOS. When I spoke with the director of admissions after being offered a seat, she told me that right now I am given an offer as OOS and I may receive another offer as WICHE supported. So essentially I would be given two offers IF I get wiche and I could choose which one I want (obviously if I get wiche I would choose that, lol).



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[SkiOtter]

Oh. Ok! That actually makes a lot of sense. Because I was accepted to WSU as OOS. When I spoke with the director of admissions after being offered a seat, she told me that right now I am given an offer as OOS and I may receive another offer as WICHE supported. So essentially I would be given two offers IF I get wiche and I could choose which one I want (obviously if I get wiche I would choose that, lol).



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And even if you don’t get wiche funding, you could still change your residency to IS after the first year at WSU and it’d be cheaper than pretty much any other OOS school/offer

 

[DVMDream]

From my understanding it actually happens with a fair level of frequency depending on the state. Basically the state gets together to go over all the applications of students from that state who want WICHE funding and determine a list of who they will fund (since in many states there are more applicants from that state than there are seats they can fund). Meanwhile students apply to WICHE schools for admissions. It is theoretically possible to have students who the state wanted to fund but who didn't get in or to have students who got in but who the state didn't want to fund. I am aware of a fair number of students at my school at least who are OOS because their state did not want to fund them. I believe the way my school accepts these students is something along the lines of accepting them as OOS students but will change them to WICHE students as soon as they hear back on the funding since WICHE usually announces their lists very late in the admissions process.

The WICHE schools actually send a ranked list of students they'd accept that applied via WICHE to the states. The states then look at these lists and come up with a ranking of who they will give WICHE funds to. This is why they recommend you apply to all of the WICHE schools.....the more schools you get ranked by, the more likely you are to get WICHE funding. Once all lists are made, then the schools send out offers. Then once you accept the state will determine if they will or won't fund you.

 

[vetmedhead]

The WICHE schools actually send a ranked list of students they'd accept that applied via WICHE to the states. The states then look at these lists and come up with a ranking of who they will give WICHE funds to. This is why they recommend you apply to all of the WICHE schools.....the more schools you get ranked by, the more likely you are to get WICHE funding. Once all lists are made, then the schools send out offers. Then once you accept the state will determine if they will or won't fund you.

This makes sense. I knew it had something to do with two separate lists from the WICHE state/the school but it's admittedly a few years since I applied and the details are a little fuzzy

 

[M.v.123]

The WICHE schools actually send a ranked list of students they'd accept that applied via WICHE to the states. The states then look at these lists and come up with a ranking of who they will give WICHE funds to. This is why they recommend you apply to all of the WICHE schools.....the more schools you get ranked by, the more likely you are to get WICHE funding. Once all lists are made, then the schools send out offers. *Then once you accept the state will determine if they will or won't fund you.*

So does that mean that if an applicant receives wiche, they will not know about it until they have accepted an offer?


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[WildZoo]

So does that mean that if an applicant receives wiche, they will not know about it until they have accepted an offer?


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My understanding is you have to accept a seat at a school, and then your state will determine whether or not to fund you. So yes, because technically you don't receive funding until after you accept your spot.

 

[SkiOtter]

So does that mean that if an applicant receives wiche, they will not know about it until they have accepted an offer?


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That’s why youd prob want to choose the cheapest school for both IS or OOS prices. On the off chance that you don’t get the funding.

 

[MixedAnimals77]

So does that mean that if an applicant receives wiche, they will not know about it until they have accepted an offer?


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At least the way AZ does it, you have to be accepeted by the school but you do not have accept your seat yet until the state oks the funding.

 

[Caiter92]

So does that mean that if an applicant receives wiche, they will not know about it until they have accepted an offer?


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My understanding is you have to accept a seat at a school, and then your state will determine whether or not to fund you. So yes, because technically you don't receive funding until after you accept your spot.

@DVMDream can clarify, but for some my classmates that are WICHE (AZ) the state didn’t approve the budget and announce who was receiving funding until after the deadline to accept. But other states told people sooner (NV classmate knew she received funding before the deadline in like Feb if I recall). So it really just depends on the state when you know if you’ve received funding.

Maybe some states make you have accepted your spot first, but those two don’t seem to from my classmates experiences.

 

[DVMDream]

At least the way AZ does it, you have to be accepeted by the school but you do not have accept your seat yet until the state oks the funding.

This isn't true for AZ, see below with what Caiter said. You will have to accept first and hope the state funds you. They often don't have the budget info until after the accept deadline and sometimes not until right before school starts.