DO Match List Thread 2020

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  • The most competitive DO match year of all time

    Votes: 37 32.7%

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    Votes: 76 67.3%
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Psych is certainly a good gig for people who enjoy working with the underserved. Almost all the psych residents I know have been assaulted by their patients during residency. Like any field, only go into it if you enjoy the work. 100% don't do it for the money.
 
Not sure how this thread wound up talking about psych salaries but I feel like a reality check is in order. Rather than chasing unicorns, let's see what the most accurate salary data we have has to say...

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My guess is for every psychiatrist making 400k there's 10 making 250k.
 
Deecee2DO said:
Im surprised they had that kind of success with step in the 220s. Mid tier Unis avg is high 230s low 240s i thought at least thats what Ive heard from SDN and Frieda
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As a matched DO who is attending one of the mentioned mid tier university programs in a desirable location. I can attest that step scores for my incoming DO cohorts range in the very high 230s and up to the middle/upper 240s. Furthermore beyond step1 I had a personally very high step 2 which helped. So no, 225 is not netting you these institutions as a DO unless you have extraordinary extracurriculars.
 
PC89 said:
As a matched DO who is attending one of the mentioned mid tier university programs in a desirable location. I can attest that step scores for my incoming DO cohorts range in the very high 230s and up to the middle/upper 240s. Furthermore beyond step1 I had a personally very high step 2 which helped. So no, 225 is not netting you these institutions as a DO unless you have extraordinary extracurriculars.
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Thats what I thought haha. One of my dreams would be to match Medstar/Gtown IM for so many reasons. Shooting for a 250+ i know thats not necessary but shooting high never hurts. After step 1 my main hustle will be research any suggestions on getting involved with research as an M3?
 
PC89 said:
As a matched DO who is attending one of the mentioned mid tier university programs in a desirable location. I can attest that step scores for my incoming DO cohorts range in the very high 230s and up to the middle/upper 240s. Furthermore beyond step1 I had a personally very high step 2 which helped. So no, 225 is not netting you these institutions as a DO unless you have extraordinary extracurriculars.
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Congrats on the successful match. As I said previously, those who were getting the interviews (e.g. Cincy, IU, Wake, Gtown, CCF, MCW, etc) all had something unique. That's not to say they all matched at those institutions. Of the ones I know that did match to them, similar to you they all had higher step 2's.
 
Deecee2DO said:
Thats what I thought haha. One of my dreams would be to match Medstar/Gtown IM for so many reasons. Shooting for a 250+ i know thats not necessary but shooting high never hurts. After step 1 my main hustle will be research any suggestions on getting involved with research as an M3?
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I would reach out to attendings you know and try to publish small things at first like case reports. In terms of what helped me was doing well on step 2 and having excellent LoRs which is a big plus.
 
Epilepsy365 said:
Cat is out of the bag for Psych. Neuro is getting there as evident by the #s this year and the available soap spots in comparison to those from previous years.
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Thought it was pretty much the same for the last 2-3 years, no?
 
Giovanotto said:
Thought it was pretty much the same for the last 2-3 years, no?
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Available soap spots from university programs from this yr in comparison to previous past yrs are much less.

For this yr, the only spots from reputable programs are Maryland, which has been known to be abusive and smug about firing previous residents, and Darmouth, which is another snobbish program that isn’t particular strong in Neurology. The other slots are straight up community slots.

Last year soaps include USC, Loma Linda, Dell, Iowa, BIDM, Yale, George Washington, Colorado, Creighton, Montefiore, UBuffalo, Tufts, and Baylor.

Huge diff in the quality of soap positions in Neurology from last yr in comparison to those this yr.
 
I think neuro is handicapped from being a more competitive field because of the brutal residency and general unhappiness of the attendings - one study a few years ago claimed neurologists were the least happy doctors. This is in contrast to psych, where the attendings and residents are notoriously happy. I suspect the increased competition in psych is partially due to medical students taking note of who seems to enjoy life most.
 
ERK123 said:
As somebody who just matched psych, claiming that 16-20 interviews should be the "minimum" for psych is insane unless the student is a very poor interviewer and is unable to adequately convey their interest in psych. There are always going to be some students with 10+ or even 16+ interviews that do not match, and psych has a slightly higher number of those than other specialities (according to the 2018 data). However, we cannot know what led to those people not matching. Some of those students may not have matched psych with 30 interviews due to how they come across in interviews or auditions. If a student wants to shoot for 16-20 interviews then that is their decision. Only 12/317 DO psych applicants had 16+ interviews in 2018. Attaining so many interviews is a difficult goal that is unlikely to be reached by the vast majority of applicants who end up matching psych.
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Wait for the 2020 data chief. 2018 was worlds away in terms of competitiveness.
 
Epilepsy365 said:
IR is def a top 3 most overrated specialty among med students nowadays.

the everyday work of IR blows. the cool tech and so called respect are just a smoke show. That prestige only belongs to NSG or Plastic.
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What is your idea of a typical work day in IR?
 
Epilepsy365 said:
IR is def a top 3 most overrated specialty among med students nowadays.

the everyday work of IR blows. the cool tech and so called respect are just a smoke show. That prestige only belongs to NSG or Plastic.
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slowthai said:
I need to summon all the IRs on here so that they can descend on you for this post lol
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NDcienporciento100 said:
What is your idea of a typical work day in IR?
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See, I didn't even have to summon. They came for you bro loool
 
BorntobeDO? said:
Wait for the 2020 data chief. 2018 was worlds away in terms of competitiveness.
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I mean from the 2020 data we have available right now, it looks like DO psych applicants had a higher match rate in 2020 compared to 2018. DO's in 2020 had a 76.5% match rate for all psych applicants, which even includes those who applied psych as second choice. This number can only go up once the latter applicant is filtered out in the charting outcomes report. In 2018, DO's who had psych as a first choice only matched psych at 72.5%. Perhaps board scores also increased, but even if they did, I still think this is a good sign for DO's interested in psych. There has been a large increase in psych residencies since 2018, which is very helpful.
 
ERK123 said:
I mean from the 2020 data we have available right now, it looks like DO psych applicants had a higher match rate in 2020 compared to 2018. DO's in 2020 had a 76.5% match rate for all psych applicants, which even includes those who applied psych as second choice. This number can only go up once the latter applicant is filtered out in the charting outcomes report. In 2018, DO's who had psych as a first choice only matched psych at 72.5%. Perhaps board scores also increased, but even if they did, I still think this is a good sign for DO's interested in psych. There has been a large increase in psych residencies since 2018, which is very helpful.
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Does the 2018 NRMP data include AOA matches?
 
ERK123 said:
I mean from the 2020 data we have available right now, it looks like DO psych applicants had a higher match rate in 2020 compared to 2018. DO's in 2020 had a 76.5% match rate for all psych applicants, which even includes those who applied psych as second choice. This number can only go up once the latter applicant is filtered out in the charting outcomes report. In 2018, DO's who had psych as a first choice only matched psych at 72.5%. Perhaps board scores also increased, but even if they did, I still think this is a good sign for DO's interested in psych. There has been a large increase in psych residencies since 2018, which is very helpful.
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Ok but what’s a typical day in IR lol
 
futuredoc1290 said:
Does the 2018 NRMP data include AOA matches?
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No. The 2018 data is produced from the NRMP. On a separate note I do not think there were ever many AOA psych programs.
 
Epilepsy365 said:
Available soap spots from university programs from this yr in comparison to previous past yrs are much less.

For this yr, the only spots from reputable programs are Maryland, which has been known to be abusive and smug about firing previous residents, and Darmouth, which is another snobbish program that isn’t particular strong in Neurology. The other slots are straight up community slots.

Last year soaps include USC, Loma Linda, Dell, Iowa, BIDM, Yale, George Washington, Colorado, Creighton, Montefiore, UBuffalo, Tufts, and Baylor.

Huge diff in the quality of soap positions in Neurology from last yr in comparison to those this yr.
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Where do you find this information (for 2020 match)?
 
Epilepsy365 said:
It was released in the 2020 Neuro interview sheet by soap candidates after soap week.
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Here's the list South Alabama (1/3), Palmetto General Hospital (0/1), UCF Kissimmee (2/4), Medical College of Georgia (2/6), Advocate Health Care IL (0/1), LSU (3/4), Maryland (3/7), Dartmouth (3/4), Albany Medical Center (5/6), Stony Brook (5/6), Geisinger (4/5), Tennessee (5/7)
 
Epilepsy365 said:
It was released in the 2020 Neuro interview sheet by soap candidates after soap week.
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I can’t speak for other program, but my program (a low tier university program in a desirable large city in the West) got a huge influx of a higher caliber applicants this match cycle. We didn’t interview any foreign grad. 2/3rd of interviewees were USMDs and 1/3rd DOs. We didn’t dip below the top 25% of our rank list.

but then I do agree with one of the posts above that neurology competitiveness has a cap. Remember it’s a very self selecting specialty.
 
Ibn Alnafis MD said:
I can’t speak for other program, but my program (a low tier university program in a desirable large city in the West) got a huge influx of a higher caliber applicants this match cycle. We didn’t interview any foreign grad. 2/3rd of interviewees were USMDs and 1/3rd DOs. We didn’t dip below the top 25% of our rank list.

but then I do agree with one of the posts above that neurology competitiveness has a cap. Remember it’s a very self selecting specialty.
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Yeah neuro is slowly becoming
Competitive hardly any positions had to soap this year which was impressive in my opinion.
 
Anybody have news for PCOM?
 
Any former AOA programs that filled with half or mostly MDs? Curious especially for ortho @TheBoneDoctah @DNC127
 
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Does anyone have more results form UNECOM match?
 
Peach Newport said:
I think neuro is handicapped from being a more competitive field because of the brutal residency and general unhappiness of the attendings - one study a few years ago claimed neurologists were the least happy doctors. This is in contrast to psych, where the attendings and residents are notoriously happy. I suspect the increased competition in psych is partially due to medical students taking note of who seems to enjoy life most.
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This is probably a big part of it tbh. However Neurology is often on call and that impacts their quality of life. If I need the neurologist to come in and evaluate a patient on a sunday they're going to do it. If I need neurology's input on what do with with a patient with a severe NM disease at 3am i'm going to wake them up and often they're going to need to guide me through how to do something.

Compare this to psych or a lot of IM consult services and life becomes a lot less cush. For a lot of IM subspecialists there's rarely a reason to wake them up and if you do it's often something that they can tell you how to do in 5 minutes before going back to sleep.

Outpatient obviously is cush no matter what field you go into however.
 
risus_sardonicus said:
Lol psych is not the new derm. You can match psych without USMLE or research. Psych does not care about board scores. The people claiming it’s tough are the ones with high board scores who failed to match, but very likely did not fit well into the program according to PDs. “Fit” and “commitment” are probably the most important factors these programs consider and can result in a sub-500 comlex, no USMLE candidate landing a mid-tier university psych program.


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Psychiatry is kind of like Radiology. If you're willing to go anywhere you'll probably match somewhere. And likewise like a lot of random radiology programs a lot of these programs in psychiatry are honestly bare bones and offer very poor training. I interviewed at a few smaller community programs and I chose not to rank them.

Yes you can match solid Psych programs as a DO. But I genuinely wouldn't expect it without an audition where you make friends with the residents and have them vouch for you and argue that you'd be a good addition.
 
AnatomyGrey12 said:
Do you know if those 12 GS matches are all categorical or does it include prelims?
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I checked. I know at least 2 of them are prelims for rads. I believe the rest are correct. 8 psych btw for those others in the forum wondering about psych.
 
slowthai said:
Two MD ENT and Mayo neurosurg! Sheesh!!
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Haha yeah that’s 2019 but we had decent matches.

A lot of GS
Ophthalmology but idk how good the program is.
Good neuro matches.
Good amount of psych and some good matches.
2 Urology
I think the class did well. Personally I am glad after intern year I’ll never manage diabetes again lol
 
Neurodoc2024 said:
I checked. I know at least 2 of them are prelims for rads. I believe the rest are correct. 8 psych btw for those others in the forum wondering about psych.
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Do you know which ones? Because UT Houston and ECU-VIdant are excellent matches but only if they are categorical.

Edit: most of them are solid honestly, those are the two that just stood out to me the most
 
AnatomyGrey12 said:
Do you know which ones? Because UT Houston and ECU-VIdant are excellent matches but only if they are categorical.

Edit: most of them are solid honestly, those are the two that just stood out to me the most
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99 percent sure they are both categorical. I know UT Houston for sure. Guy is a baller. Said he missed zero on the comlex and two on usmle. Remembered all the questions. I remember when we did the practice comlex exam our school made he got a hundred on it. He probably could have went into any field tbh.
 
Neurodoc2024 said:
99 percent sure they are both categorical. I know UT Houston for sure. Guy is a baller. Said he missed zero on the comlex and two on usmle. Remembered all the questions. I remember when we did the practice comlex exam our school made he got a hundred on it. He probably could have went into any field tbh.
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Lol damn.
 
Drrrrrr. Celty said:
Psychiatry is kind of like Radiology. If you're willing to go anywhere you'll probably match somewhere. And likewise like a lot of random radiology programs a lot of these programs in psychiatry are honestly bare bones and offer very poor training. I interviewed at a few smaller community programs and I chose not to rank them.

Yes you can match solid Psych programs as a DO. But I genuinely wouldn't expect it without an audition where you make friends with the residents and have them vouch for you and argue that you'd be a good addition.
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Are away rotations necessary in radiology?
 
Steve_Zissou said:
Are away rotations necessary in radiology?
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I can say with confidence that they aren't. It's like IM, it's pretty low yield and can hurt more than help if you're not careful. I would only do it if you're trying to show specific interest in one program. Might want to couple it with research while you're there to really seal the deal. But that's just my thought process.

Edit: The reason why I say this is because it's hard to actually be helpful on a radiology away. You just sit there, smile, don't say anything stupid, and try not to leave early, lol.
 
Drrrrrr. Celty said:
Psychiatry is kind of like Radiology. If you're willing to go anywhere you'll probably match somewhere. And likewise like a lot of random radiology programs a lot of these programs in psychiatry are honestly bare bones and offer very poor training. I interviewed at a few smaller community programs and I chose not to rank them.

Yes you can match solid Psych programs as a DO. But I genuinely wouldn't expect it without an audition where you make friends with the residents and have them vouch for you and argue that you'd be a good addition.
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This couldn’t be further from the truth. Radiology programs have strict ACGME guidelines to follow (# of studies, didactics, # of faculty and subspecialties etc) you can’t have a bare bones radiology program because at the minimum there’s a decent amount of infrastructure required (3T MrI, # of CT machines, # of procedures etc). I’ve seen super shady psych programs located in the middle of nowhere (particularly Florida) with very questionable facilities and faculty. Makes you wonder how they even got accredited in the first place


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