DO Match List Thread 2021

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km93 said:
We’ve already seen this happen with the integrated plastics match (which is roughly 1/5 the size of the ortho pool). I absolutely can see this trend continuing in ortho. Even looking at the past cycle, some of the most impressive DO ortho matches came via research year applicants.
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I think integrated plastics is a different beast because it's uniquely unfriendly to DOs, whereas ortho has a stronger history of taking DO applicants. To even get looked at as a DO in plastics, you need to be a superduperstar. Significantly more IMGs match plastics than DOs.
 
FindersFee5 said:
whereas ortho has a stronger history of taking DO applicants
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This is mostly because AOA actually had a decent chunk (~1/6) of the total existing ortho programs. If you look at the match tables we usually matched between 0 to 4 spots a year into ACGME ortho. In 2017 there were 3 matches to ACGME ortho and 119 to AOA. It's not that Ortho suddenly became more DO friendly. Just that the DO friendly programs are now in the NRMP match.
 
Does anyone know if COMLEX-only applicants got more favored matches compared to last year, especially in primary-care specialties? I know it's preferred to take the USMLE, however I wanted to know if the sky is falling (or not) for COMLEX-only applicants given that we have 2 years of data post-merger.
 
DameJulie said:
Does anyone know if COMLEX-only applicants got more favored matches compared to last year, especially in primary-care specialties? I know it's preferred to take the USMLE, however I wanted to know if the sky is falling (or not) for COMLEX-only applicants given that we have 2 years of data post-merger.
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I don’t think there’s a way to know that, but logically why would they have improved?
 
DameJulie said:
Do schools actually know where students get matched? Or does it rely on self-reporting? Cuz that could take a while
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They know because they get the locations of where their students match before the students even get the emails on match day. That's how they're able to have the locations sealed in envelopes way in advance for match day celebrations.
 
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My school posted half of the match on FB. The other half is still unaccounted for.
 
MedLife20 said:
Could this be a bad sign from these schools?
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I am not sure this is a bad sign for DO schools. DO matches are not as good in 2021. Most DO match postings could be posted by students from their own sources like match day videos. They might be told not to post the unofficial results this year by their schools. Few DO schools (like the one in S Cal) posted their match results in their commencement exercise announcements.
 
JW4Gdud said:
I am not sure this is a bad sign for DO schools. DO matches are not as good in 2021. Most DO match postings could be posted by students from their own sources like match day videos. They might be told not to post the unofficial results this year by their schools. Few DO schools (like the one in S Cal) posted their match results in their commencement exercise announcements.
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I think it’s just taking longer, no clue why
 
My school told us they were working on the list, but that many students didn't reply to email asking for permission to release where they matched, so that was one of the issues. But we have a match day YouTube video that has about half of the matches.
 
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DrStephenStrange said:
My school told us they were working on the list, but that many students didn't reply to email asking for permission to release where they match, so that was one of the issues. But we have a match day YouTube video that has about half of the matches.
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Do not understand why they did not bother to reply for release permission. I cannot wait for 8 more months for match day and give the school permission to release. Too bad, looks like match day party and commencement 2022 will be virtual again.
 
DrStephenStrange said:
My school told us they were working on the list, but that many students didn't reply to email asking for permission to release where they match, so that was one of the issues. But we have a match day YouTube video that has about half of the matches.
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Kinda silly because the lists released on school websites are anonymized so no permission is needed.
 
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AZCOM reported 80% match rate pre SOAP and 95.6% for total placement. A single tear rolled down my cheek when I saw that at our dean's talk, not gonna lie.
  • Internal Medicine: 83
  • Family Medicine: 50
  • Surgery (all sub-specialties): 21
  • Emergency Medicine: 23
  • Anesthesiology: 13
  • Pediatrics: 12
  • Psychiatry: 10
  • Radiology: 5
  • OB/GYN: 5
  • Neurology: 3
  • PM&R: 2
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Neopolymath said:
Kinda silly because the lists released on school websites are anonymized so no permission is needed.
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Wonder why they would say they need permission... Its almost like they just don't want to release the list 😛

DrZoidbergDO said:
Damn is it just me or is that really bad?
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Its more common than you think. I know of several schools with those kinds of numbers including my former. However, that said, I think that is probably lower than prior for AZCOM. I would guess that it is still above average for DO schools, but I admit thats pure speculation.
 
DNC127 said:
the only good schools are the ones with their own residencies that cover all/most specialties . only a hand full
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Agreed, and even then its only really good if they don't have a bunch of branches competing for the same residencies spot. Its one thing I have admired about Campbell over the years. I think they are, IMO, the best DO school in the South besides TCOM because they prioritize their only campus and have started many residencies. Its funny, everyone thought NOVA was better 10 years ago, but I don't think they are anymore.
 
BorntobeDO? said:
Its more common than you think. I know of several schools with those kinds of numbers including my former. However, that said, I think that is probably lower than prior for AZCOM. I would guess that it is still above average for DO schools, but I admit thats pure spespeculation
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Average placement for DO schools was 98% this year.
 
DrStephenStrange said:
Average placement for DO schools was 98% this year.
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I was referring to the match rate being around 80%. If overall placement is what you say it is this year, then they are performing even worse than I expected. I admittedly have spent zero time looking into the match data this year as I have been busy.
 
BorntobeDO? said:
I was referring to the match rate being around 80%. If overall placement is what you say it is this year, then they are performing even worse than I expected. I admittedly have spent zero time looking into the match data this year as I have been busy.
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I believe the match rate for DOs was 89.1% actually. But you're probably right, that many schools are probably going to be in the low 80s.
 
DNC127 said:
the only good schools are the ones with their own residencies that cover all/most specialties . only a hand full
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It is a large factor, but I can't say it is the only factor. Also, not all schools without residencies are created equal either. I assumed (incorrectly) that AZCOM was in the higher end of that group. Some are still able to place all their students in quality rotation sites with decent inpatient exposure. Others are not.

Wasn't there issue a few years back with OSU students not being able to pass comlex 1? I recall pass rates around 80%. They may have all their own GME right there, but if your students can't even get through comlex to make it to residency applications I wouldn't by default call that a good school.
 
Roxas said:
It is a large factor, but I can't say it is the only factor. Also, not all schools without residencies are created equal either. I assumed (incorrectly) that AZCOM was in the higher end of that group. Some are still able to place all their students in quality rotation sites with decent inpatient exposure. Others are not.

Wasn't there issue a few years back with OSU students not being able to pass comlex 1? I recall pass rates around 80%. They may have all their own GME right there, but if your students can't even get through comlex to make it to residency applications I wouldn't by default call that a good school.
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OSU had an 80% match rate that year and 95% match rate pre soap. If any other school performed like that on comlex it would be a disaster.

Low board pass rate due to lower quality students that fill the bottom of the class due to having to have 90% of students be in state. Not many people applying to med school from oklahoma and there is OU, OU tulsa, OSU tulsa, OSU tahlequah. They are obviously letting people in that probably wouldn't get in otherwise due to state funding stipulations.

When you have your own GME, and are state funded, your students match.

IMO a good school is one that basically guarantees your chance of practicing as a doctor where you want to practice. OSU does that for its students. Not many can say that.
 
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