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legitimately asking this, but how are schools allowed to have both an MD and DO program?
Why would they not be allowed to...?
legitimately asking this, but how are schools allowed to have both an MD and DO program?
That’s like asking how schools are allowed to have a law school and a med school. Nothing is stopping themlegitimately asking this, but how are schools allowed to have both an MD and DO program?
Ever make something really good for dinner but have some leftovers and then combined it with some other leftovers to have an okay dinner later in the week? Same thing.legitimately asking this, but how are schools allowed to have both an MD and DO program?
DO is just MD with some extra steps. Off topic but what I wanna know about is how the dual DMD/DO works at Nova. That is an odd combo
Is there even FASCIA in teeth?Includes OMM on teeth
If you believe in our dear savior AT Still hard enough anything can exist and be manipulatedIs there even FASCIA in teeth?
It’s for OMFS. Or at least the couple classmates that I knew of in the DMD/DO were OMFS.DO is just MD with some extra steps. Off topic but what I wanna know about is how the dual DMD/DO works at Nova. That is an odd combo
Ever make something really good for dinner but have some leftovers and then combined it with some other leftovers to have an okay dinner later in the week? Same thing.
To this day the training for OMFS freaks me out. Why the hell would anyone do that? Do you pay for professional school twice?It’s for OMFS. Or at least the couple classmates that I knew of in the DMD/DO were OMFS.
most dental residencies are unpaid, or make you pay tuitionTo this day the training for OMFS freaks me out. Why the hell would anyone do that? Do you pay for professional school twice?
Their med school part was abridged in some way. I don’t fully understand everything about it lol.To this day the training for OMFS freaks me out. Why the hell would anyone do that? Do you pay for professional school twice?
but do they actually pay tuition for all 4 yrs? Huh. Only kids of millionaires can do OMFS I guess.Their med school part was abridged in some way. I don’t fully understand everything about it lol.
I think in the case of my classmates, if I understood correctly, they got their dental degree first (?) and then they skipped M1 (?) and then they were doing a hybrid special M2/M3 simultaneously (?) and were already accepted into the OMFS residency (?)but do they actually pay tuition for all 4 yrs? Huh. Only kids of millionaires can do OMFS I guess.
at least they are shorter. And even dental school costs more! This is insane.most dental residencies are unpaid, or make you pay tuition
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It's not as bad as it seems. Also the job is amazing.To this day the training for OMFS freaks me out. Why the hell would anyone do that? Do you pay for professional school twice?
To this day the training for OMFS freaks me out. Why the hell would anyone do that? Do you pay for professional school twice?
One of the admins at U MN did dental school, then med school, then plastic surgery with a facial plastic surgery fellowship. He just needs a neurosurgery fellowship (I know not a thing) and he would be master of the headTo this day the training for OMFS freaks me out. Why the hell would anyone do that? Do you pay for professional school twice?
The average OMFS salary is 500k, I know several that make over a million but they all work crazy hours. I remember reading somewhere that wisdom teeth removal is the highest reimbursed surgery for the time it takes (45 minutes). So yeah you pay for dental school and 3 years of medical school but most OMFS are able to pay it back very quickly.
Did he pay off his debt thoOne of the admins at U MN did dental school, then med school, then plastic surgery with a facial plastic surgery fellowship. He just needs a neurosurgery fellowship (I know not a thing) and he would be master of the head
They do both Cosmetics are wisdom teeth both of which pay well. Wisdom teeth you get reimbursed from insurance, cosmetics will be a lot of out of pocket. But yeah lots of schools since you still have to do a residency, meaning 4 years undergrad 4 years dental 2/3 years medical 4 years for residency= 14/15 years post-secondary school...I didn't realize OMFS surgeons where the people who took wisdom teeth out...I'm so dumb, I thought it was some kind of reconstructive/ cosmetic branch of facial surgery. I guess I never realized " Oral surgeon" is short for " OMF Surgeon" . I mean I guess it is good that some people take the risk, bc we do need OMF surgeons.
Did he pay off his debt tho
Met an OMFS resident on his 3rd month of anesthesia rotation. Apparently they need to know how to intubate since it may be necessary in the clinic on rare occasions.The average OMFS salary is 500k, I know several that make over a million but they all work crazy hours. I remember reading somewhere that wisdom teeth removal is the highest reimbursed surgery for the time it takes (45 minutes). So yeah you pay for dental school and 3 years of medical school but most OMFS are able to pay it back very quickly.
He was a lifetime military guy so I don’t think he had much/anyDid he pay off his debt tho
To the best of my knowledge, OMFS residents don't pay. They need to pay tuition or something, but at the same time, they receive a stipend or salary something which covers these fees kind like PhD candidatesTo this day the training for OMFS freaks me out. Why the hell would anyone do that? Do you pay for professional school twice?
One of the admins at U MN did dental school, then med school, then plastic surgery with a facial plastic surgery fellowship. He just needs a neurosurgery fellowship (I know not a thing) and he would be master of the head
Last I knew, OMS residents were required to do 6 months of anesthesia training as they do procedures in their office under conscious sedationMet an OMFS resident on his 3rd month of anesthesia rotation. Apparently they need to know how to intubate since it may be necessary in the clinic on rare occasions.
The soft tissue trauma cases that they do are life changing. Looking at postop photos and outcomes, you would've never guessed the severity of the wound they arrived with. A truly rewarding part of OMFS, while easily pulling in 500k+ but the trade off is unpredictable and long hours.
Not sure how it's spread out through the training but he was quite unhappy that he had to do 3 months of anesthesia consecutively. To be fair... anesthesia department was treating him very poorly.Last I knew, OMS residents were required to do 6 months of anesthesia training as they do procedures in their office under conscious sedation
To this day the training for OMFS freaks me out. Why the hell would anyone do that? Do you pay for professional school twice?
What are people's thoughts on DMU's match list?
This. It’s the worst DMU list in a number of years.Maybe they self selected out this class, but only 2 gen surg matches for them and all those TY years does not seem like a good outcome
I heard that this year the residency match was really messy due to COVID due to virtual interviewing and clerkships getting messed with. That could maybe be the reason..This. It’s the worst DMU list in a number of years.
Could be self selection, but when the quality across the board is weaker than previous years it does make you wonder if there was something else going on
I mean maybe. Other schools still didn’t appear to have the kind of drop off DMU had.I heard that this year the residency match was really messy due to COVID due to virtual interviewing and clerkships getting messed with. That could maybe be the reason..
There are 12 matched into Advanced PGY2 programs. There are only 3 matched into Transitional or Preliminary programs. I think DO graduates did not match as good as previous years due to the virtual interviews.RIP💀 Hopefully, they resolve whatever happened this year, if something happened. I am an incoming DMU student lol.
Why do we need to measure how good a match list is based on the # of gen surgery matches!? A lot of people don’t want anything to do with gen surgery, there’s nothing flashy about gen surgery lol... the competitive people rather do something better and those that can match it still rather do something else like rads or anesthesia etc.. oh and I don’t mean this to be disrespectful to the field of gen surgery..Maybe they self selected out this class, but only 2 gen surg matches for them and all those TY years does not seem like a good outcome
Why do we need to measure how good a match list is based on the # of gen surgery matches!? A lot of people don’t want anything to do with gen surgery, there’s nothing flashy about gen surgery lol... the competitive people rather do something better and those that can match it still rather do something else like rads or anesthesia etc.. oh and I don’t mean this to be disrespectful to the field of gen surgery..
that doesnt mean it's a good metric. One of the smartest people in my class wants to go into Peds, doesnt change the fact that he's gonna be able to match at a good place.It's my personal benchmark, take your ruffled feathers elsewhere
They may have only had 2 GS, but they had 5 ortho so it was actually a good yearthat doesnt mean it's a good metric. One of the smartest people in my class wants to go into Peds, doesnt change the fact that he's gonna be able to match at a good place.
right, which is why simply saying GS good isn't a particularly useful way of analyzing the quality of the match. For that matter, neither is how prestigious the matched institutions either, but thats a different discussionThey may have only had 2 GS, but they had 5 ortho so it was actually a good year
Why do we need to measure how good a match list is based on the # of gen surgery matches!? A lot of people don’t want anything to do with gen surgery, there’s nothing flashy about gen surgery lol... the competitive people rather do something better and those that can match it still rather do something else like rads or anesthesia etc.. oh and I don’t mean this to be disrespectful to the field of gen surgery..
2 GS matches in a class that size is not a good number. It just isn’t. There are always a certain percentage interested. Either it was an extreme outlier in interest or something happened.They may have only had 2 GS, but they had 5 ortho so it was actually a good year
It might just be interest. ACOM had a similar trend. But our pre-soap match was the highest its ever been at 95% with placement at 99%. I've yet to talk to anyone in our class that has a stated interest in GS.2 GS matches in a class that size is not a good number. It just isn’t. There are always a certain percentage interested. Either it was an extreme outlier in interest or something happened.
And 5 ortho isn’t impressive when you put it in the context that they typically have 10-15 apply annually.
Like I said, it could definitely be student interest, but the list as a whole does not hold up to years past IMHO, and if it was interest it is an outlier year for DMU interest wise.
at the end of the day, the match rate is by far the most important criteria. no one cares how many pubs you have if you can't get a residency spotJust another reason why a match-list has very little to do with the strength of a school or students. Of the top 5 in my class only one of them wants something besides IM or FM. I feel like match rate and placement rate is the most valuable info you can take from a schools match, it shows how many people matched somewhere they wanted.
The problem with this is that because a good match rate is in the high 90s, it only takes 5-10 students who are aiming too high or arnt listening to the schools advisers to mess the schools match rate up. Just because you match doesn't mean it was were you wanted.at the end of the day, the match rate is by far the most important criteria. no one cares how many pubs you have if you can't get a residency spot
you could just list the programs and specialty.VCOM-Auburn match list has been released. Has the names by the match so I don't want to post the list.
Orthopaedic surgery: 2
General surgery: 3
Anesthesiology: 8
Diagnostic Radiology: 3
PMR: 6
Psychiatry: 8
Dermatology: 1
OBGYN: 7
Radiation Oncology: 1
Pathology: 1
Neurology: 1
Internal Medicine: 31
Family Medicine: 45
Pediatrics: 13
Emergency Medicine: 15
Transitional: 5