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Is that NS Michigan State MD or DO
doesn’t matter lol.
I think MD. They have a new MD ortho residency there.
Is that NS Michigan State MD or DO
I’m actually pretty sure that program is a former DO program. Still, NS is a killer match no matter what.doesn’t matter lol.
I think MD. They have a new MD ortho residency there.
NS Anywhere is impressive obviously. Very nicedoesn’t matter lol.
I think MD. They have a new MD ortho residency there.
For US MD seniors, it's the lowest it's been in a long time, and some 200 more people didn't match this year than last. Their applicants also increased by 500 with their expansion being what its been.Yes agreed. At least were only 2-3% off-DO has come a long way over the years
Not a record high. Its 1.6% lower than last year compared to US MD seniors being 0.9% lower than last year. It honestly just looks like it was a rough year.:/ If so, that’s a record low for US MD grads, right? But great news for DO though! — a record high?
calling it: LCME or whoever is gonna advocate and lobby hard to increase residency spots b/c so many unmatched US MD grads
Nope, no info out yet for the SOAP.Do those match rates include SOAP?
doesn’t matter lol.
I think MD. They have a new MD ortho residency there.
I’m actually pretty sure that program is a former DO program. Still, NS is a killer match no matter what.
Yeah, NS in and of itself is already a killer match no matter where it's at, and it's even more impressive considering this guy is from the inaugural class of a brand new DO school in a pandemic year. Equally impressive are the IR, Ortho, Urology, Derm, DR, Med/Peds, University IM, University psych, University Neurology, University EM, University peds, University OBGYN matches as well from ARCOM. Now I just wanna know what our match rate is.NS Anywhere is impressive obviously. Very nice
My thoughts exactly lol"Lots of EM!"
Those poor souls.
DMU summary:did anyone hear anything from DMU?
KCU ProbablyWhat’s your alma maters?
Anyone heard about matches from ATSU-KCOM?
Alright so I know of 6 neurosurgery matches for DO's this year:
Penn St (LECOM)
Mich St Ascension (2) (KCU Joplin/ARCOM)
Riverside UHS (Western)
UT San Antonio (TCOM)
One is TBD - I'd guess that's PCOM but not sure yet
There are truly only two DO-only neurosurgery programs anymore (RUHS and PCOM). Everywhere else ranks MD/DO.
Here's the preliminary data from NRMP: https://mk0nrmp3oyqui6wqfm.kinstacd...ds/2021/03/Advance-Data-Tables-2021_Final.pdf
Congrats everyone!
Ummmmm. Insane. This and the NYU ortho dude has me ****ting bricks. lol can someone please tell me what these kids are doing to break the glass ceiling?PCOM CT surgery at university of Michigan
Just got the news that ARCOM had 87% match rate pre-SOAP and 99% post-SOAP. I think overall we did pretty good for a brand new school.Do you know the match rate for ARCOM?
Hot af. Honestly though how does this **** happen? I want to know their secret. Im still waiting for a DO IM match at the big four but im not getting my hopes up lmaohot take, 10 best DO matches of all time since we have no match lists. Yes I have been on here forever. Don’t shame me.
1. University of Michigan CT surgery this year
2. Mayo Orthopaedics 4 years ago
3. Mayo Integrated Facial Plastics 5 years ago
4. Penn ENT last year
5. Mayo NSG 3 years ago?
6. Mayo Derm a few years back
7. Cleveland Clinic plastics last year?
8. NYU ortho this year
9. Penn plastics 3-4 years ago
10. IR at Utah
Honestly? Knowing some of the apps of the super star matches in the DO world some of it is straight luck.Hot af. Honestly though how does this **** happen? I want to know their secret. Im still waiting for a DO IM match at the big four but im not getting my hopes up lmao
Hot af. Honestly though how does this **** happen? I want to know their secret. Im still waiting for a DO IM match at the big four but im not getting my hopes up lmao
Thank you for this answer. So the best shot a DO has with all else literally perfect (app wise/interview wise) would be to get letters from academic faculty from top tier IM places which would require an insane amount of luck to land an audition at one since landing auditions is essentially luckIt won’t happen for a long time. Not only because their matches blow the best DOs out of the water, but also because the perception is that if they match a DO it’s because they couldn’t attract those elite MD candidates. They also care a lot about LORs from hospitals they consider equal status. Clinical prestige in medical school is a big deal. Zero DO schools have good training in their eyes, few DOs go get those LORs, and few DOs have the research and scores to compete on paper to begin with. These are the schools that can interview 200 people for 40 spots because they know they’ll be top 3 on everyone’s list.
Source: I have spoken directly with a residency selection director at a big 4 hospital.
That's what it sounds like. MDs with near perfect apps are trying to match there, so even if you magically get a DO who has an even better app, being a bit better won't offset the prestige issue. But, with more DOs every year, that could change in the future, we'll have to seeThank you for this answer. So the best shot a DO has with all else literally perfect (app wise/interview wise) would be to get letters from academic faculty from top tier IM places which would require an insane amount of luck to land an audition at one since landing auditions is essentially luck
Maybe that’s COCA’s master plan. Open up so many DO schools that everyone’s pcp is a DO and no one will know what MD is in a few generations.That's what it sounds like. MDs with near perfect apps are trying to match there, so even if you magically get a DO who has an even better app, being a bit better won't offset the prestige issue. But, with more DOs every year, that could change in the future, we'll have to see
They rarely, like other schools, report the pre-SOAP true match rate, but generally the placement rate is 99%+. They also report KCU KC and Joplin together as one class. Their matches are found here: I know of several people who decided not to report their match to the school for publicizing, so its hard to know how many of the "confidential" students are non-matches.How does KCU-KC do this year? Does anyone know the match and SOAP rates?
Do you have their match list? Really curious and congrats on matching!It will be a goal of mine once I've graduated to convince young pre-meds to not bother with RVU-Utah. I matched and I'm happy with the program I matched to but I will become a physician DESPITE my school, not because of it.
They rarely, like other schools, report the pre-SOAP true match rate, but generally the placement rate is 99%+. They also report KCU KC and Joplin together as one class. Their matches are found here: I know of several people who decided not to report their match to the school for publicizing, so its hard to know how many of the "confidential" students are non-matches.
The three integrated IRs, 1 ENT, 1 ortho, and 1 derm are the most high profile KC-specific matches. Joplin had the neurosurgery, vasc, ophtho, and uro matches.
They rarely, like other schools, report the pre-SOAP true match rate, but generally the placement rate is 99%+. They also report KCU KC and Joplin together as one class. Their matches are found here: I know of several people who decided not to report their match to the school for publicizing, so its hard to know how many of the "confidential" students are non-matches.
The three integrated IRs, 1 ENT, 1 ortho, and 1 derm are the most high profile KC-specific matches. Joplin had the neurosurgery, vasc, ophtho, and uro matches.
I'll try to put something together but nobody at the school has yet bothered to get a list going. We have some rads, at least 1 derm, some good general surgery matches, some gas, a couple psych, and then the usual.Do you have their match list? Really curious and congrats on matching!
They rarely, like other schools, report the pre-SOAP true match rate, but generally the placement rate is 99%+. They also report KCU KC and Joplin together as one class. Their matches are found here: I know of several people who decided not to report their match to the school for publicizing, so its hard to know how many of the "confidential" students are non-matches.
The three integrated IRs, 1 ENT, 1 ortho, and 1 derm are the most high profile KC-specific matches. Joplin had the neurosurgery, vasc, ophtho, and uro matches.
I don't mean to diminish anyone at my school's matches by saying "the usual" because we had a lot of students get their 1st choices but I know what readers on this thread are looking for so I know which details I should share here and which can be left out (cause y'all are gonna skip over them when you read through anyway 🤣 )Do you have their match list? Really curious and congrats on matching!
I thought only 3 DOs matched integrated IRs this year? one from ARCOM and two from KCU?
there were 15 DO IR matches. Kcu had 3. You need to look at the PGY-2 position on NRMP data to get full match number for specialties like Anesthesia, derm, Rads, IR, PMR etc since most require a Prelim yearI thought only 3 DOs matched integrated IRs this year? one from ARCOM and two from KCU?
Can someone explain to me how that works? Do they just take a year off? I'm a first year.KCU had 3 IR,
there were 15 DO IR matches. Kcu had 3. You need to look at the PGY-2 position on NRMP data to get full match number for specialties like Anesthesia, derm, Rads, IR, PMR etc since most require a Prelim year
Some programs are "advanced" programs meaning they require you to complete a 1 year internship before starting the residency. Most notably these specialties have the largest chunk of programs set up this way: Anesthesiology, Derm, DR, IR, Neurology, PM&R and RO.Can someone explain to me how that works? Do they just take a year off? I'm a first year.
So they would have to apply for the one year prelim and the PGY-2 at the same time or do they have to finish the prelim first and then apply again?Some programs are "advanced" programs meaning they require you to complete a 1 year internship before starting the residency. Most notably these specialties have the largest chunk of programs set up this way: Anesthesiology, Derm, DR, IR, Neurology, PM&R and RO.
In advanced programs you need to match not only the advanced program but also a 1 year prelim. You do the 1 year prelim, then upon successful completion, you move on to your actual residency program. The two programs can be on opposite sides of the country and in entirely unrelated health/academic systems.
Some programs in these specialties are "categorical" which means when you match to that program, they also provide match you with an intern year either at their institution or through an agreement with another program.
In categorical programs you only need to match to one program to do all your training.
With the exception of Anesthesiology and Neurology (these are actually trending towards being majority, 90%+, categorical in the next 5 years), the majority of available positions in the specialties listed above are advanced positions.
For the comment you're referring to, in order to see how many DOs actually matched IR, you'd need to add the PGY-1 matches as well as the PGY-2 (advanced) matches since DO students that matched to advanced IR programs would only be in a prelim PGY-1 program and not accurately reflect the total. 5 matched categorical, 10 matched advanced so 15 total matched IR.
Also ortho at Monteifore and NSG at University of Mississippi?hot take, 10 best DO matches of all time since we have no match lists. Yes I have been on here forever. Don’t shame me.
1. University of Michigan CT surgery this year
2. Mayo Orthopaedics 4 years ago
3. Mayo Integrated Facial Plastics 5 years ago
4. Penn ENT last year
5. Mayo NSG 3 years ago?
6. Mayo Derm a few years back
7. Cleveland Clinic plastics last year?
8. NYU ortho this year
9. Penn plastics 3-4 years ago
10. IR at Utah
Amazing matches? 10000%. Top of all time for DO? probs not. Those 2 are totally badass matches (probs top for 2021 for sure) but probs wouldnt be top of all time which in my opinion constitutes competitive specialty AND top 10-ish academic institution. What school were those?Also ortho at Monteifore and NSG at University of Mississippi?
They weren’t this year but ortho was PCOM last year and NSG was WCU 2 years ago. But yea I see what you mean.Amazing matches? 10000%. Top of all time for DO? probs not. Those 2 are totally badass matches (probs top for 2021 for sure) but probs wouldnt be top of all time which in my opinion constitutes competitive specialty AND top 10-ish academic institution. What school were those?
Looks like you’re putting your best foot forwardThank you! Thus I am going to apply to a lot of places
I know this may be seen as nitpicky, but the medical specialty is Psychiatry, NOT psychology....
Psychology
UNLV - Las Vegas, NV
Just curious... how many FM went to abington? That place is slowly becoming PCOM onlyPCOM Philadelphia's match is FIREEE!
1 (the only DO) integrated CT surgery match at UMich
1 IR at MUSC
2x Psychiatry at Einstein-Philly
PMR at UPMC, Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania, and University of Louisville
Family Med at Lancaster General!, Abington, UMASS, Crozer, Jeff NE, Allegheny, Lankenau, Doctors Hospital Ohio
IM at Baylor Houston, GWU, Temple, Lankenau, Lehigh Valley, Christiana, Einstein Philly, Jeff NE, Allegheny, Mount Sinai NW, Loma Linda, St Lukes and more
LOTS of EM
Gen Surg at Lankenau, Christiana, Einstein-Philly, PCOM, Allegheny, Reading, and more
1 ENT at PCOM
Several Ortho matches
Ob/Gyn at Inspira, UPMC Pinnacle, Lehigh Valley
DR at University of Cincinnati, Christiana
Urology at MUSC
3 Ophtho matches: Walter Reed, PCOM, Larkin
Radiation Oncology at Fox Chase
PCOMWhat school did the NYU ortho match come out of ?