DO seems way more competitive

[swolebrah]

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My wife worked 40 hours a week while completing a 14-15 hour college schedule. She was able to manage a 3.6 GPA as an undergrad. Little did LECOM Bradenton know that they were getting a brilliant machine...750 COMLEX.

Do ADCOM's notice this a lot from your experience when you were applying, like did they ever mention it in interviews or anything? I ask because I also worked 25-30 hours all throughout undergrad while taking 15-17 credit hours /semester. Thanks

 

[keels99]

Do ADCOM's notice this a lot from your experience when you were applying, like did they ever mention it in interviews or anything? I ask because I also worked 25-30 hours all throughout undergrad while taking 15-17 credit hours /semester. Thanks

Yes, they most definitely consider work hours when looking at the your application. Especially if it's medically related.

 

[j4pac]

Yes, they most definitely consider work hours when looking at the your application. Especially if it's medically related.

There is a reason why LECOM-B has flourished and quickly established itself as one of the top DO programs. They knew going in that they were a new program with strict rules...not quite an attractive product. By year 3 LECOM-B was already in the top 3 in regards to board scores, where it has remained since. How did they do it? They took candidates that other programs wouldn't take who also had considerable upside in the field of medicine. I had TONS of non-traditional students in my class including myself. Yeah...you aren't going to do as well on your MCAT and you aren't going to have a 3.9 GPA if you are working full-time. They conducted tons of research on what makes a successful medical student and they stuck to it. They felt strongly that the Biologic section was the only relevant section of the MCAT tied to med school success. They targeted student with his Bio scores while disregarding the Phys/Verbal sections. They weren't afraid of taking student who had sub-24 MCATs if they did well on the Bio section, were proven workers, and bought in to PBL. They also put a huge emphasis on grade trending, course load, and extracurriculars. Work experience is something that was asked on my interview, my wives interview, and all of my friends interviews. Why? Because they were trying to put the GPA into context.

Certainly, PBL is partially responsible for LECOM-B's board success. But another part of it is that LECOM-B knowing that it couldn't land the 30+ MCAT applicants went out of its way to find students who could have been 30+ MCAT students if put into the correct environment.

 

[Gandyy]

Yes, they most definitely consider work hours when looking at the your application. Especially if it's medically related.

So If I worked in a research lab literally all 4 years of college and then an extra year 15-20 hours a week, then they consider this as a plus?

 

[CanIdoIt?]

It used to be that if you had above a 3.0 and a 25 MCAT a decent school would accept you. Now it feels like you would only get into the worst (or newest) DO schools with those stats unless you had something special.

I have a 3.25 sGPA, 3.26 overall and a 27 MCAT but I don't think I'll get an interview at my dream schools (DMU, NOVA, UNE). I think this is one reason new school openings are a good thing. It allows people like me to get a chance. Without new schools, theDO schools would become nearly as competitive as MD schools.

*edited to remove identifying information*

I would think that DO school's being equivalent to MD schools would be good in solidifying the legitimacy of the profession that is still seen by many as pseudo-medicine.

 

[oOKawaiiOo]

They felt strongly that the Biologic section was the only relevant section of the MCAT tied to med school success. They targeted student with his Bio scores while disregarding the Phys/Verbal sections. They weren't afraid of taking student who had sub-24 MCATs if they did well on the Bio section, were proven workers, and bought in to PBL. They also put a huge emphasis on grade trending, course load, and extracurriculars.

+1

 

[keels99]

So If I worked in a research lab literally all 4 years of college and then an extra year 15-20 hours a week, then they consider this as a plus?

Well it definitely isn't a negative lol

In short, yes

 

[j4pac]

So If I worked in a research lab literally all 4 years of college and then an extra year 15-20 hours a week, then they consider this as a plus?

Depends on where you apply. You may get screened out before your work experience is even considered. Your work experience is NOT going to be seen as a negative unless you are a pornographer.

 

[Gandyy]

Depends on where you apply. You may get screened out before your work experience is even considered. Your work experience is NOT going to be seen as a negative unless you are a pornographer.

My only worry with regards to getting screened out is on the first MCAT. If you have two MCATs, do you guys know of any MD or DO schools that screen applicants out based on their 1st (usually worse) score?

 

[j4pac]

My only worry with regards to getting screened out is on the first MCAT. If you have two MCATs, do you guys know of any MD or DO schools that screen applicants out based on their 1st (usually worse) score?

To my knowledge, there are programs that either average MCATs or consider all of the scores. @Goro could give you a better idea of which ones do.

 

[Gandyy]

To my knowledge, there are programs that either average MCATs or consider all of the scores. @Goro could give you a better idea of which ones do.

Well the reason I ask is that I actually have called every single school I'm applying to for both MD and DO, however they all say they take the most recent, highest or look at all of them holistically.

What i'm worried about is does the computer look at all of them holistically? Or does it see the teens score on your MCAT and screen you out before looking at your better 2nd score?

 

[j4pac]

Well the reason I ask is that I actually have called every single school I'm applying to for both MD and DO, however they all say they take the most recent, highest or look at all of them holistically.

What i'm worried about is does the computer look at all of them holistically? Or does it see the teens score on your MCAT and screen you out before looking at your better 2nd score?

It really doesn't matter because it isn't something that you can control. You really just need to find out which programs you have a chance to matriculate and apply. Worrying for the sake of worrying is pointless. Life's too short.

 

[Gandyy]

It really doesn't matter because it isn't something that you can control. You really just need to find out which programs you have a chance to matriculate and apply. Worrying for the sake of worrying is pointless. Life's too short.

True, yea I dont know how well it would go over if I asked them "Does your computer holistically review scores when screening out applicants?" lolllll

 

[Goro]

My program averages. I've never heard of a program tossing an app because of a bad 1st score.

To my knowledge, there are programs that either average MCATs or consider all of the scores. @Goro could give you a better idea of which ones do.

 

[Gandyy]

My program averages. I've never heard of a program tossing an app because of a bad 1st score.

Well thats good news!

 

[xBODOMx]

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[swolebrah]

Worked 40-50 hours a week in a hospital while going to school full-time checking in. Also when studying for my MCAT. Talked about in every single interview. Medical school will be weird not working. Figure I'll just replace all my working time with studying.

Holy **** man 40-50 hours while going full time college. That's some awesome work ethic and time management.

 

[Gandyy]

Holy **** man 40-50 hours while going full time college. That's some awesome work ethic and time management.

Yea I thought 15 to 20 hours a week was bad.

 

[Qamar3212]

There are many people that do school full time and work full time..
i have worked full time 40-45 hours a week average the past 4 years as well with full time school (12+ credits). I am the assistant manager where I work so there have been numerous times I have had to cover other shifts due to others calling out/being sick so I have worked 60 hours before in a week with school. I'm just lucky that my place of employment has given me extreme flexibility all these years and has given me a stable job/hours to support my mom and sister so I can't really complain other than wishing my gpa was higher than what it is.

😎

 

[Giovanotto]

I was not able to study for the MCAT working 45 hrs/week. It does depend on the job, but my god man, that's impressive.

 

[sunshinefl]

Ah, funny story. I realized I had this typo, undeserved instead of undeserved. So they redelivered it per my request so I could fix it and then I had to resubmit it knowing fully well

that I lose my spot in the queue. Paranoid and Neurotic. I know.

I had to notice you did it again in your explanation post......🙄

 

[Gandyy]

I had to notice you did it again in your explanation post......🙄

Lol. This is why I triple check that word in my secondaries now

 

[ipseama]

I worked 60 or so hours a week (5:30 am to 6 pm and two 24 hour shifts each month as well) while completing my last 2.5 years of undergrad full-time (I was in the military). I had one year of a solid 4.0 GPA and then 1.5 years around a 3.7.
I didn't have a chance to study much for my MCAT because I have a toddler, run a charity organization, and completed my last year of college athletic eligibility after I got out. I am a single mother so my MCAT studying consisted of listening to audio books and studying on my way to games. I took my MCAT before finishing half of my prerequisites because I am in a post-bacc program, so my score wasn't the greatest.
Should I be patient and wait a year and retake my MCAT after lots of studying? Probably.
Do I have the money to wait another year or do I really care to spend another year waiting? No
I figure the worst-case scenario is that, but December, I will either have an acceptance or I will be able to start studying for the MCAT again and take it before the next cycle.

The moral of this story is, not everyone has the luxury of taking time off to study for an exam, nor do people have the money left over to spend an additional $300+ dollars to retake the exam again or pay for a prep course. While I have not been accepted into a school yet, I am hoping that the schools will view my experiences favorably enough to makeup for my lower-end MCAT score.

I was actually trying to tie this post more into the last 4 pages of posts that I have read tonight, but somehow went off on a tangent.

 

[Hustler101]

If I recall correctly, the vast majority of medical students take out loans and you would have to be from a rather rich family to have them pay for medical school. When you compare it to some other fields, it is still okay. There are definitely other fields worse off than medicine.

Other fields have no jobs, make wayyy less and ultimately end up in an average house driving a honda or a ford at best. The only exception to this are the top 2-3% in other fields and top 10% in the better ones. On the other hand the top 20% of doctors (especially ones who only do clinical) are balling hard let alone the top 3-5%.

 

[Hustler101]

Let's put it this way. Consultants straight out of college already make at least $80k a year, not even with signing bonuses. By the time doctors are out of residency, consultants already have made $640k ahead of you AND don't have loans. (That's also assuming their pay never increases, but it does per year.) Adding your student loans and interest, you are about almost a million dollars behind.

By the time you become a doctor, consultants already make almost the same pay as you. I believe people have the completely WRONG idea about how much doctors actually make. Back in the 90's and early 2000's doctors made WAY more. With the healthcare system changing, it won't be as lavish anymore.

Being a doctor DOES NOT give you as much money as you think. My sister is an attending as an anesthesiologist is still making not as much. Guess how much doctors make as a resident? Only $50-60k a year. Want to buy a house? You're going to have to wait until you're almost 40.

If you want to be a doctor for the money, you're out of your mind. Marry someone with a nice job to also help you.

Says the premed lol.

Orient your practice towards maximum revenue and you'll make hundreds of thousands per year. Incomes are deflated when you include academic physicians and pretty much anyone who isn't focused entirely on revenue. It's a financially versatile field (somewhat)... if you're doing research and teaching you won't be making nearly as much as someone who does cosmetics non-stop all day. Therefore it's not wise to generalize doctors in the context of money.

Now instead of focusing on the 1 in 30 guys who land a decent job out of college focus on the others who have no job, work at starbucks or barely get hired for 40k and have a ceiling of 90k. They make up the other 29/30.

 

[Moose A Moose]

Now instead of focusing on the 1 in 30 guys who land a decent job out of college focus on the others who have no job, work at starbucks or barely get hired for 40k and have a ceiling of 90k. They make up the other 29/30.

THIS.

The rest of you make me laugh... I don't know what land you live in, or maybe everyone posting in here comes from some sort of rich and illustrious circle of friends/family, but I find it few and far between these days for anyone to get out of college and land a legit job with the sort of financial growing potential any physician will have (even taking loans, residency into consideration).

 

[Michander125]

Full-time Student with a full-time work schedule vs full-time student

and oh ya...they do exist.

A part-time worker with a full-time school schedule with a 3.4 is more impressive than a full-time student only with a 3.5.

Yeah throughout undergrad I volunteered as an EMT twice a month, worked as a phleb 40-45 hour weeks, and was enrolled in school full-time. Definitely could have had better grades if I cut back my work hours but I feel like the healthcare exp was worth it. At least sometimes I do.

 

[Hustler101]

THIS.

The rest of you make me laugh... I don't know what land you live in, or maybe everyone posting in here comes from some sort of rich and illustrious circle of friends/family, but I find it few and far between these days for anyone to get out of college and land a legit job with the sort of financial growing potential any physician will have (even taking loans, residency into consideration).

Exactly. Medicine is the best field for making money, period. It isn't even close actually...

And anytime now we'll have people who don't know a thing about business (and certainly never had one) come in and say "if you want money go into business." 🙄 There's a reason only a tiny percentage of the population makes 250k+ per year lol. Outside of rare lucky situations I've seen people put in 100 hour weeks into their business and still lose everything. At best they make a decent income in the long term after all those hours.

 

[mathnerd88]

Says the premed lol.

Orient your practice towards maximum revenue and you'll make hundreds of thousands per year. Incomes are deflated when you include academic physicians and pretty much anyone who isn't focused entirely on revenue. It's a financially versatile field (somewhat)... if you're doing research and teaching you won't be making nearly as much as someone who does cosmetics non-stop all day. Therefore it's not wise to generalize doctors in the context of money.

Now instead of focusing on the 1 in 30 guys who land a decent job out of college focus on the others who have no job, work at starbucks or barely get hired for 40k and have a ceiling of 90k. They make up the other 29/30.

And trying to get into medical school isn't hard? I would guess about 1 in 20-30 premeds get into medical school.

You don't have to necessarily be a consultant. Even accountant or investment banking is pretty high up there.

 

[Hustler101]

And trying to get into medical school isn't hard? I would guess about 1 in 20-30 premeds get into medical school.

You don't have to necessarily be a consultant. Even accountant or investment banking is pretty high up there.

You're working neurosurgery type hours if you hope to succeed in business (I've actually had a business and don't base what I say from word of mouth)... and it won't end unless you make it really big. If it was that common then high incomes wouldn't be for the top 1-3% only. Keep in mind that in business you don't just lose your time like a failed premed does, you go bankrupt. You're basically in extreme debt for years working brutal hours in hopes of making it big... there isn't even 1/10th of the security that physician jobs provide nor is the income even close. But everyone loves to look at the exceptions that made it and make that the example.

You won't find a job as an accountant that pays well (realistically) and all accountants work insane hours for stretches of time. Most of them make very mediocre incomes.
Investment banking is soul crushing work and has worse hours than surgery residencies. It also pays half of what surgery pays.

 

[IslandStyle808]

And trying to get into medical school isn't hard? I would guess about 1 in 20-30 premeds get into medical school.

You don't have to necessarily be a consultant. Even accountant or investment banking is pretty high up there.

Even though it is difficult to get into medical school, the good thing about the way it is set up is that hard part is front loaded. Once you get over that hurdle, you just need to work hard and pass everything to be a physician. On the other hand, you could get into a PhD program rather easily and spend a lot of time and money on your degree and not land a PhD type job. This is not 4 years of your life wasted, but 7 years (3 years of post-doc). To top it all off you are not paid nearly at the level a physician is.

 

[IslandStyle808]

You're working neurosurgery type hours if you hope to succeed in business (I've actually had a business and don't base what I say from word of mouth)... and it won't end unless you make it really big. If it was that common then high incomes wouldn't be for the top 1-3% only. Keep in mind that in business you don't just lose your time like a failed premed does, you go bankrupt. You're basically in extreme debt for years working brutal hours in hopes of making it big... there isn't even 1/10th of the security that physician jobs provide nor is the income even close. But everyone loves to look at the exceptions that made it and make that the example.

You won't find a job as an accountant that pays well (realistically) and all accountants work insane hours for stretches of time. Most of them make very mediocre incomes.
Investment banking is soul crushing work and has worse hours than surgery residencies. It also pays half of what surgery pays.

Agree with all points. The one thing I liked about accounting is the fact that there is autonomy, even though the pay is low to average. It is one field where it is difficult to be jobless.

 

[MightBeACylon439]

And trying to get into medical school isn't hard? I would guess about 1 in 20-30 premeds get into medical school.

You don't have to necessarily be a consultant. Even accountant or investment banking is pretty high up there.

You are always making this same argument. It is old, it's tired and your assumption that even a fraction of those out of undergrad can get these jobs is laughable. When I read you making this argument I always think of Zoidberg from Futurama yelling "YOURE ARGUMENTS ARE BAD AND YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD."

 

[mathnerd88]

You are always making this same argument. It is old, it's tired and your assumption that even a fraction of those out of undergrad can get these jobs is laughable. When I read you making this argument I always think of Zoidberg from Futurama yelling "YOURE ARGUMENTS ARE BAD AND YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD."

What? Which assumptions?

 

[Hustler101]

Even though it is difficult to get into medical school, the good thing about the way it is set up is that hard part is front loaded. Once you get over that hurdle, you just need to work hard and pass everything to be a physician. On the other hand, you could get into a PhD program rather easily and spend a lot of time and money on your degree and not land a PhD type job. This is not 4 years of your life wasted, but 7 years (3 years of post-doc). To top it all off you are not paid nearly at the level a physician is.

Exactly. Everyone in medicine thinks the grass is greener on the other side but it really isnt. For every person who quickly made a lot out of college there's a doctor making like 800k or whatever.

 

[MightBeACylon439]

What? Which assumptions?

To quote you "maybe you should read my post again." You have made the assumption several times on this forum that medicine is not worth it for the money because so many people can get into high paying consulting, accounting or investment banking jobs. This is just so untrue that it makes me want to cry. These are very tough and competitive fields to get into, and when you try to make it sound like its so easy you show how out of touch with the current job market you are.

 

[mathnerd88]

To quote you "maybe you should read my post again." You have made the assumption several times on this forum that medicine is not worth it for the money because so many people can get into high paying consulting, accounting or investment banking jobs. This is just so untrue that it makes me want to cry. These are very tough and competitive fields to get into, and when you try to make it sound like its so easy you show how out of touch with the current job market you are.

And those posts were made a couple of weeks ago. It started because someone commented on my posts today. Thanks for your concern.

You can drop it now if you don't want to continue this discussion.

And you're misunderstanding my posts entirely. I just gave an example which may be more financially viable. There are plenty of jobs that may be more financially viable than physicians. PA, CNA, etc.

Maybe consultants weren't the best example to give. You can stop crying now.

 

[bigoliver101]

And those posts were made a couple of weeks ago. It started because someone commented on my posts today. Thanks for your concern.

You can drop it now if you don't want to continue this discussion.

And you're misunderstanding my posts entirely. I just gave an example which may be more financially viable. There are plenty of jobs that may be more financially viable than physicians. PA, CNA, etc.

Maybe consultants weren't the best example to give. You can stop crying now.

CNA you mean CRNA?

I'm a CNA atm and I make $10/hr...

 

[mathnerd88]

CNA you mean CRNA?

I'm a CNA atm and I make $10/hr...

Yes, my apologies. My phone autocorrected.

 

[cryhavoc]

How would they become as competitive as MD schools when DO typically costs more money, the residency options pale in comparison, and the fact that its actually a tougher road considering OMM plus the extra exams? Obviously it can't and won't. Not to mention all those who need the "MD" after their names.

It has gotten more competitive the past few cycles, but this is it IMO - we're seeing DO just about maxed out on the competitiveness scale given the facts above and the combination of an uncertain future of healthcare and the very uncertain outcome of the merger. The merger actually has me very concerned about the future of DO's.

Concerned how? I will admit my end goal is to be an ER doctor. If this merger works in some negative way where most DO's are forced in primary care, I don't know what I'd do. Although I believe in some contexts ER doctors are considered primary care.

 

[MightBeACylon439]

And those posts were made a couple of weeks ago. It started because someone commented on my posts today. Thanks for your concern.

You can drop it now if you don't want to continue this discussion.

And you're misunderstanding my posts entirely. I just gave an example which may be more financially viable. There are plenty of jobs that may be more financially viable than physicians. PA, CNA, etc.

Maybe consultants weren't the best example to give. You can stop crying now.

You confuse crying with attempting to stop you from giving bad advice and making terrible comparisons.

You brought up high paying investment banker and accounting positions 3 HOURS AGO, not a few weeks ago. Showing that your ignorance about the current job market persists.

CRNA is ONE avenue of nursing that very little people can get into or even like. PA makes nowhere near what a physician makes.

What else? NP, ok if you want to go through nursing school, get the years of experience required then go through a tough training process. Lawyer? Good luck.

Being a physician is worth it financially...I suggest YOU drop it because you sound like an inexperienced child on these forums with little actual knowledge of what you're talking about.

 

[Bea5T]

I feel like having a single match(if this is the case) helps DO's out - no longer having to forgo the AOA match to "risk" the ACGME match should help those applying to certain specialties that were limited in the AOA match

 

[mathnerd88]

You confuse crying with attempting to stop you from giving bad advice and making terrible comparisons.

You brought up high paying investment banker and accounting positions 3 HOURS AGO, not a few weeks ago. Showing that your ignorance about the current job market persists.

CRNA is ONE avenue of nursing that very little people can get into or even like. PA makes nowhere near what a physician makes.

What else? NP, ok if you want to go through nursing school, get the years of experience required then go through a tough training process. Lawyer? Good luck.

Being a physician is worth it financially...I suggest YOU drop it because you sound like an inexperienced child on these forums with little actual knowledge of what you're talking about.

Dude you don't need to get so aggressive man. Let's just agree to disagree. Don't overstress yourself just to prove yourself right (because you aren't completely right.) Take a breath.

Again, your views make you sound very closed minded that being a physician is the only worthwhile high paying job out there. Just a hint: it isn't. Your views make you sound like you really don't know what other successful jobs there are out there. There are already thousands of positions in healthcare alone that pay a lot.

In my town, the median income is over $130k. Guess how many percentage of the upper 50%are doctors? Not very much. Your closeminded views make you seem like the only way to go is physician.

Btw, a PA is a very high paying job and have much less schooling and less working and studying hours than doctors do, so don't try your whole "PA's get paid a lot less than doctors." They're average hourly wage is around $60 an hour.

You want to spend 4 years in medical school, 4 years in residency that pays you little, and then hopefully come out making average of $160k after 8 years? Fine go ahead. Almost every single doctor I talked to told me it isn't as glamorous as lots of people make it out to be. Even one of the physicians told me that his interviewer kept complaining on how little he is making and how much loans he owes. I've never met one doctor who said, the pay is amazing! You should totally become a physician for the money.

I'm just being realistic here. The longer years you are out of school the less money you are really making. I'm not saying oh doctors will forever be in debt and that you'll never be successful. My point here is that people need to be realistic and that it won't be an amazing lifestyle as some other professions from the start. You clearly don't recognize that. The truth is, the healthcare system is changing. We still haven't felt the full effects of Obamacare. I've been talking to physicians already and their salaries are already being decreased from Obamacare. There is still a LOT of uncertainty with the healthcare system going on right now. We are pretty much the beta-testers of the new healthcare plan.

We have the recent AOA ACGME merger, (which I suspect is a way for them to make even more money.) Truth is, we can't say for sure what happens to the future of physicians. All I know is historically, when the economy is doing very well, there are a lot less applications for medical school. Why do you think that is?

 

[MightBeACylon439]

Dude you don't need to get so aggressive man. Let's just agree to disagree. Don't overstress yourself just to prove yourself right (because you aren't completely right.)

There is no more agreeing with you or letting you get away with giving bad advice just so I don't have to listen to your idiocy and rudeness.

If you give bad advice I'm going to call you out. Unfortunately for you, you give either bad or misinformed advice often.

 

[MightBeACylon439]

Dude you don't need to get so aggressive man. Let's just agree to disagree. Don't overstress yourself just to prove yourself right (because you aren't completely right.) Take a breath.

Again, your views make you sound very closed minded that being a physician is the only worthwhile high paying job out there. Just a hint: it isn't. Your views make you sound like you really don't know what other successful jobs there are out there. There are already thousands of positions in healthcare alone that pay a lot.

In my town, the median income is over $130k. Guess how many percentage of them are doctors? Not very much. Your closeminded views make you seem like the only way to go is physician.

Btw, a PA is a very high paying job and have much less schooling and less working and studying hours than doctors do, so don't try your whole "PA's get paid a lot less than doctors." They're average hourly wage is around $60 an hour.

You want to spend 4 years in medical school, 4 years in residency that pays you little, and then hopefully come out making average of $160k after 8 years? Fine go ahead.

I'm just being realistic here. The longer years you are out of school the less money you are really making. I'm not saying oh doctors will forever be in debt. My point here is that people need to be realistic and that it won't be an amazing lifestyle as some other professions from the start. You clearly don't recognize that.

YOU ARE NOT BEING REALISTIC, the average hourly rate of a physician in 2010 is 155/hour. THAT HAS ONLY GONE UP, AND ITS 100/HOUR MORE THAN A PA. In relative terms, this is nowhere near what a physician makes...WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT I SAID.

I never said to make money being a physician is the only way, i just said the alternatives you present are no where near as easy to get into as you make them out to be.

Long term, physicians make more to eclipse their debt. Also, which I know people have tried to hammer into your thick skull is that there are programs to either minimize this or eliminate it completely. To which you whiningly argued that the options were less than desirable.

 

[mathnerd88]

There is no more agreeing with you or letting you get away with giving bad advice just so I don't have to listen to your idiocy and rudeness.

If you give bad advice I'm going to call you out. Unfortunately for you, you give either bad or misinformed advice often.

^Please read previous post. I think you didn't quite understand my point.

Thanks.

 

[mathnerd88]

YOU ARE NOT BEING REALISTIC, the average hourly rate of a physician in 2010 is 155/hour. THAT HAS ONLY GONE UP, AND ITS 100/HOUR MORE THAN A PA. In relative terms, this is nowhere near what a physician makes...WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT I SAID.

I never said to make money being a physician is the only way, i just said the alternatives you present are no where near as easy to get into.

Long term, physicians make more to eclipse their debt. Also, which I know people have tried to hammer into your thick skull is that there are programs to either minimize this or eliminate it completely. To which you whiningly argued that the options were less than desirable.

LOL $155 an hour?! Are you kidding me?!

So a physician who makes $160k a year salary on average makes $155 an hour? Now I really know who's lying. $155 an hour is possible if you're doing moonlighting, but no doctor does moonlighting as a full time job.

Oh, I see, you're talking about emergency physicians, but sorry, that's a specialty that most physicians DON'T GO INTO.

And again, this is BEFORE OBAMACARE, so this isn't accurate anymore.

 

[MightBeACylon439]

LOL $155 an hour?! Are you kidding me?!

So a physician who makes $160k a year salary on average makes $155 an hour? Now I really know who's lying.

Google "average physician hourly wage." I did it, its called "research," i suggest you learn how to do it.

 

[mathnerd88]

Google "average physician hourly wage." I did it, its called "research," i suggest you learn how to do it.

Lol...you were quoting average emergency physicians. Sorry to burst your bubble, but most DO's go into primary care.

Family medicine physicians make $78 an hour.

 

[MightBeACylon439]

^Please read previous post. I think you didn't quite understand my point.

Thanks.

I read your post SON, and i know exactly what I'm about.