DO vs. Caribbean MD

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Mongoose-

"your constant calling skip intro by a name he has already indicatred he dislikes indicates how chilidish and immature you are. get a life. and dkny is for preppy, sissy boys with small penises."

talk about maturity. You are doing the same thing you accussed me off. So how mature are you having to resort to such language. It;s ok I understand you're probably venting all that regressed anger inside of you. were you one of those 'sissy boys with small penises" who was constantly made fun of. You know if you have a problem or are insecure about your size there are therapists you can go see.

In fact why dont you just go on VACATION to the caribbean, I'm sure our friend Skip can show you around. Definitely looks like you need a break.
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I have always looked at the SAT/ACT as just an indicator of how a student might do in college. We all know people that totally bomb standardized tests yet are highly effective students and we also know people that ace the test put lack the drive and determination or maturity to do well in college.

Now I don't know about all colleges, but the ones that I applied to didn't admit students to a particular degree program before they matriculated so there was no way to keep them out of a particular course of study, say chemistry or physics. I was admitted to the college of Arts and Sciences and from there I chose what I wanted my majors to be. At Miami, chemistry and biochem are two of their most rigorous degrees of study and thus they have a huge dropout rate in those particular degree programs because a lot of high school students don't understand when they pick a major, how difficult those particular choices are.

Let's face it, most high schools have at most a few chem classes, and that isn't really a great indicator of what is expected in college. I actually had 2 full years of chemistry in high school and scored a 5 on the AP test but it really didn't prepare me for how difficult phys chem or analytical chem were in college.

I do know several premeds that started in chem/biochem and just decided that it wasn't worth the work or that it would have too much of a negative impact on their GPA so they switched to a bio degree or something else. I have a degree in Micro and Molecular Biology also and I can tell you that at Miami these were not near as challenging as the chem/biochem track. Every student has to make these choices for themselves based on their goals. After I had the first semester of phys chem I actually thought about (only for about 5 minutes) should I drop the biochem because it did have a negative impact on my GPA because I got a B. In my case I decided to keep all three because I knew that I wanted to do a MD/PhD program and felt that the increased scientific knowledge would only benefit me in my research interests.

I know nothing about Caribbean schools or Canadian schools for that matter but any learning experience is what you make of it. Most any program can turn out an excellent doctor if the individual is motivated toward self directed learning and willing to put in the time and effort. The MCAT is just a diagnostic test for success in med school. The whole admission process is a crap shoot because schools look for different things in their students and I actually believe that they look for different things at different times during the app process. I know that at UC, they were highly interested in whether I planned on applying to top 10 schools because I think that they were worried that if I applied and got accepted that I would chose to attend there. Once, I had convinced them that I absolutely wanted to stay local then they were fine.

I actually think that applicants sometimes hurt themselves but being afraid to believe in themselves. There is a real incentive to apply to 50 schools because you think, it will increase your chances of getting in somewhere but if I was on an adcom, I would see this as a big negative because 1) chances are if you get in anywhere that you deem better than school X, you will take it 2) do you really doubt yourself that much that you feel you need all these back up plans 3) how can you convincingly answer the question about why you are applying to school X when it is obvious from your app that you will go wherever 4) are you so shallow that you think you have to go to a top 10 school to be successful. I think the best approach for success is to make up your mind what you want and go for it. If you have lower stats then it may be acceptable to apply to numerous programs but you always need to look at what your actions are saying about you as a person because they are highly interested in you the person. I was actually asked why I chose to do the Biochem/Micro/Molecular degree because wasn't that just overkill and I honestly told them why I felt it was important to me to have a very broad scientific base even though I could have had a 4.0 if I dropped the Biochem. She asked me if I had any regrets and I said no because I'm a better scientist.

All this crap about what school or country's schools are better is just that... crap. You can get a wonderful education wherever you go if you chose to do the work and do self directed learning. Yes, if you go to a foreign med school then you may have difficulty coming to the US for residency because the schools seem to scutinize foreign students much harder but it can be done.

My first few years of grade school I went to a highly selective and very expensive private school known for their academic excellence but my Mom was killing herself working 70 hours a week as a nurse to pay the sky high tuition. She was very troubled because she felt she should be home more but couldn't if I stayed in this private school. This school was known for their programs for gifted kids and she really wanted me there so I would be challenged. We decided together that I would go to public school after months of discussion. Ask me if I care that I didn't graduate from this private academy. No, I don't because I went to public school from 4th grade on and I scored higher than any of their students when it came to the PSAT and SAT. I had my pick of colleges that offered me full ride academic scholarships. I excelled in college and I'm going to med school so it didn't matter.
I was educated in a inner city school that basically doesn't had that great of a reputation but I received a fantastic education from dedicated teachers that really cared about their students. I have competed for national awards and always won. Set your goals and go for them. it doesn't really matter how you get to your destination, life is about the journey.
 
Are Skip Intro and Great North related?

To Great North,
I read somewhere else that you believe American residency directors being elitists (protect AMG while shunning away IMG). Well, wait until you try to apply through Canadian Matching process. Then you will see how much more difficult (or elitist as you referred) Canadian one is compared to the American process. :cool:

That's another thing Canadian medical community can improve. The US is SAPPING talents from other countries across the world, be it in technology, medicine, business, etc. People want to come to the US to practice and American residency programs have the luxury to say, "Oh....you are the top med student from India's med school.... Well, let's see if we have a spot for you here and you should consider staying here afterwards." By comparison, Canada is a very very attractive location for many people in this world but Canadian residency programs are definitely not doing anything to get the best of foreign med schools to come and practice.

You can read Toronto Star's criticism of ON's policy

"Foreign-trained docs giving up hope: Ontario's many and confusing steps frustrate grads"

http://www.torstarreports.com/NASAp...034157760057&call_pagepath=&col=1034157759167


"You can't always come home:
Going overseas for degree makes it hard to return"

http://www.torstarreports.com/NASAp...034157760057&call_pagepath=&col=1034157759167

"Student follows dream to U.S. : Jason Kinkartz has grades to study here, but there's no room"

http://www.torstarreports.com/NASAp...034157760057&call_pagepath=&col=1034157759167


http://www.torstarreports.com/NASAp...i&c=Page&cid=1034157760057&pubid=968163964505


Exaggeration, of course, was vampant in those articles since that is needed to sell newspaper (for a while, I thought, Toronto Star was mixing up U of Michigan with Michigan State....). But there is some truth to it.
 
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Originally posted by Thewonderer
1) At least we agree that we definitely disagree on many issues.

2) I thought somewhere you mentioned that in your humble opinion, harvard and columbia kids are sadly not that impressive (except your own cousins and his friends?!). So I guess your meaning of great divide is that MIT is on the good side while Harvard, Columbia, Ohio State, Emerson college are all on the bad side.

3) There is no such concentration of smart kids at UBC, period. Canadian universities are all pretty equal in terms of its high quality, but don't exaggerate it because getting 80% (3.7 average) at UBC and the like is not that hard. At UBC, science scholars are awarded only to those with 90+% (A+ average) and I don't hear people getting scholarships while maintaining 80% (A- average) at UBC. And there is a reason for that; there are too many of them alone in the 80-90% range.

4i) You are getting ridiculous here. Not every thing about Canada I like nor I like everything about England (where I studied abroad at Oxford during my junior year), US (where I have spent the last 6-7 years of my life getting education), or the Asian country where I lived for the first 11 years of my life.
4ii) I agree with the universality of medical care. However, I do not agree with Canadian government's attempt to limit specialty choices for Canadian medical graduates year after year where they try to look into a crystal ball and guess what specialty will have "shortage" in the future and allocate available residency slots.
4iii) I do not agree with some of the laws that were attempted to be passed in BC that semi-force new graduates to practice outside of Vancouver. I do not agree with physicians going ON STRIKE in BC and othe provinces during this past year or so (you ever heard of American docs going on strike?).

5) And if everything with the word "Canada" excites you so much and you also want to devote yourself to everything Canadian, be sure to send me a postcard from Nunavut once you decide to spend the next 20 years of yourself giving that region its needed health care, infrastructure, education, etc. Until then, you are getting a little ridiculous in your last argument against me.
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1) yes

2) I mentionned that certain individuals that I met abroad who attended the aforementionned schools were not impressive yet most certainly there were others who were friends of my cousins, and not my acquaintences by any means, whom I found to be rather well educated. Thus to say that supposedly the top 5-10% of american highschoolers attending these institutions based on SAT scorces potentially indicates that the means of evaluating an individuals worthiness based on a SAT score is one that can not be used to the exclusion of other factors.

3) The concentration of 'smart' kids not being very high at UBC is again your opinion and you are certainly welcome to it. The fact that you or I are comparing UBC or any other canadian university to the all great Harvard, I think to be a rather telling sign to where our undergraduate institutions compare. Furthermore, consider that perhaps UBC only offers scholarships to those with 90+ averages as there is not the funds available to offer it to those with 80+ averages; thus, the university is being selective based on monetary constrictions.

4i) Yes I am indeed ridiculous as it is my way.
4ii) There is no doubt that the college of physicians and surgons is no more than a mafia, hungry on preserving its territory and its members intent on controlling the number of available speciality spots so as to control physician/ surgon wages...no different from the AMA. However, given that so very many canadian graduates migrate south the college is left having to replenish the lost stores which may vary from year to year. Furthermore the aging of specialists and their entering into retirement is another factor to be considered by the college from a year to year basis. This is indeed all very clumsy yet it is based largely on lack of funds, pride and control. The college could easily train and certify FMGs and help ease the shortage..I am certain we have all seen examples of this.
4iii) Again the strikes are linked to shortages in funds available to pay local doctors the amount that they see given to their american counterparts, this in turn stimulates recent graduates to migrate south. I agree that this striking nonsense is absurd yet greed is universal and american doctors are very well paid so as not to spark a strike over wages or equipment shortages.

5) I would be pleased to practice in Nunavut for a year or so...20 years would be rather long. Secondly, I was also far from placing an argument before you, merrily asking a question to see your reaction; it would appear that I have struck an ill chord with you thus I appologize. Finally, true that Quebec laws are at times discriminatory towads its english minority, yet discrimination towrds minorities is found on both sides of the border and if we have to talk about justice and equity perhaps we can disscuss american foreign policy.

I am so glad that God made me a jackass
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Are people actually reading all these 5000 word posts?
 
LOL i agree!

These things are just getting waaay tooo long. Plus I give up. People like Skip and whoever else arent going to change the way they think, so what's the point.

Aight later...gotta go study.

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Originally posted by dknykid1980
Mongoose-

"your constant calling skip intro by a name he has already indicatred he dislikes indicates how chilidish and immature you are. get a life. and dkny is for preppy, sissy boys with small penises."

talk about maturity. You are doing the same thing you accussed me off. So how mature are you having to resort to such language. It;s ok I understand you're probably venting all that regressed anger inside of you. were you one of those 'sissy boys with small penises" who was constantly made fun of. You know if you have a problem or are insecure about your size there are therapists you can go see.

In fact why dont you just go on VACATION to the caribbean, I'm sure our friend Skip can show you around. Definitely looks like you need a break.
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just illustrating to you how incredibly useless it is to act in such a way. You obviously saw my point. You can thank me anytime.
 
Originally posted by Thewonderer
Are Skip Intro and Great North related?
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Are Thewonderer and dkynkid1980 equally delusional? It really is quite a bloody shame that we can't be having this discussion face to face as more emotion would bring a great deal of flavour to the arguements. I hope to be Baltimore in the new year or if not possible then NY city thus perhaps we can all meet and have a lovely game of rugby to settle our differences..just a suggestion.

After all you said that you were at Oxford for a year; therefore, you must be familliar with the game?

I am so glad that God made me a jackass
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WELL...

Why not play a more AMERICAN game...football. Forget both foreign med schools and foreign sports, let's do it how we do it in the good ol' US of A.

:laugh: :clap:
 
Too much padding and stopages in play...perhaps I shall take a break from this forum for a while and I hope to God that I meet you sir dknykid soon on rotations and the field of RUBGY.
 
Originally posted by Thewonderer
Are Skip Intro and Great North related?
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No, we are not related. And, I currently do not know who Great North is (nor he I). I'm still on the "rock". But, I suspect that he's one or two semesters ahead of me, and that I would probably recognize and/or know him if I saw him.

But, I must say that, after reading the "kid's" posts, I'm just seriously discouraged and disappointed as to how someone like him could get an admission. The name calling... the arrogance... the haughty attitude from a first year, first semester student... and, it's not like he's going to Harvard or Stanford.

Anyway, some people have to get their kicks somehow, I guess. In the meantime, I hope his attitude changes before he gets to his residency. What he fails to realize, especially since he's at Howard, is that there's a good chance I'll be one of his preceptors.

;)

Yours truly,

-Skippy
 
Originally posted by great north
Are Thewonderer and dkynkid1980 equally delusional? It really is quite a bloody shame that we can't be having this discussion face to face as more emotion would bring a great deal of flavour to the arguements. I hope to be Baltimore in the new year or if not possible then NY city thus perhaps we can all meet and have a lovely game of rugby to settle our differences..just a suggestion.

After all you said that you were at Oxford for a year; therefore, you must be familliar with the game?
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I can't believe that you got offended when I asked if you are related to skip intro. You two are both Canadians from Ross, which is what I have noticed and maybe you have not. I don't see Skip Intro getting ticked off

Nope, I am going to Europe this Christmas + New Year.

Rugby is not that popular at Oxford. Rowing is what everyone talks about and many colleges have 2-3 teams that compete on the river. Oriel dominates men's field while Green is always at the top for women (I think Oriel sucks though.....).

I do not get ticked off by proud Canadian. I only get ticked off by arrogant Canadian.
 
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How shocking! Carib people say carib, DO people say DO. Might I suggest one ignores any opinions from people with obvious bias?

It seems to me that in this thread most of the more advanced US trained MDs who have already graduated, gone through residency match, and work daily with more doctors than most med students get to agree more or less that DO is the way to go.

Just my interpretation of the thread thus far...
 
Originally posted by Thewonderer


Rugby is not that popular at Oxford. Rowing is what everyone talks about and many colleges have 2-3 teams that compete on the river. Oriel dominates men's field while Green is always at the top for women (I think Oriel sucks though.....).
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Sacrilege!! Especially after England beat both the Australians AND the All Blacks? *gasp* hehe :) As a person who does both rowing and rugby, gotta support both !

yeah, rowing's the thing on the two campuses. But Cambridge is gonna beat Oxford this year :) Go Light Blues! :) :clap:
 
I'm a 2nd year DO student, and i'm not going to condone going DO or SGU. its a personal decision, because like Diogenes said, our opinions should be taken with a grain of salt. I can only speak of my opinions, and experiences.

I am perfectly happy with being a DO. My dad is actually an MD and whole heartedly supports my decision to become a DO. He's been in practice for over 15 years, and he doesn't wake up every morning thanking God he's an MD. When most people are impressed that he's a doctor, because he looks relatively still young, he just shrugs his shoulders and says it no big deal. He's very humble, and i have learn much from him. And i do get offended sometimes when many students generalize US MD's as arrogant, because my dad is one of the most humble/ compassionate doctors i have ever met, and his patients love him. Compassion is a individual thing, not limited to US MD/DO or caribbean. In the real world medicine, this whole MD/DO after your name, or being a caribbean graduate really becomes a non-issue.

My opinion is that if you have what it takes to obtain a residency in America, you are qualified to be a physician. You've taken all the exams, jumped the hurdles, and i could care less whether you graduated from Harvard, DO, SGU, Ross or anywhere in between. Take care of your patients the best way you know how, strive to become the best doctor you can be, then worry about what everyone thinks about you.

By the way, PLEASE stop this mud slinging on both sides. We are all future physicians and colleagues. I would fear any patient browsing these boards and seeing some of the things posted on here by future doctors.
 
By the way, I read earlier that DO is an adequate alternative. Thats true for many, but for many DO's it was their first choice. Take care.
 
I was wondering if anyone can tell me their views on going to osteopathic medical school as opposed to allopathic school in the caribbean.

I was talking to an attending physician for a family practice residency program today about this. He told me DO. This is a very prestigious program....he said that they didn't think twice about a DO student versus US MD. But that they would think "3" times about a Foreign MD grad. To me this is almost reason enough....

But I would love to hear other thoughts


thanks
 
I would choose DO. A) its better to stay in the US if you want to have a shot at a residency program other than family practice or internal medicine.
B) you'll prob enjoy it more if you stayed in the US.

that whole thread was debating which is worse which is the wrong thing to think about.

personally, I dont think you can do wrong by going either route, but I would rather be a DO.
 
DO vs a Caribbean MD. HMMMM??? I think in the end the
individual has to chose for themselves what works. I believe it is the person that makes the doctor, not necessarily where the degree came from, whether USMD, USDO, or foreign MD. There are many many top notch physicians in this country who are DOs and FMG. I say do what works for you. I for one cant imagine being out of the country!
 
i think it all depends what you wanna do with the degree. a FMG will have a harder time getting a residency other than primary and internal. (as far as i know)
 
Agree in general with the above posters... but you need to check some internal switches on yourself before you make that decision...

How will you handle being known as John Smith, DO instead of MD? Will that effect you in a negative way?
Most people don't care, and most people really don't make an issue of it with somebody else, but I'm sure somewhere in my 40 yr career, someone will bring it up and I will roll my eyes... so I'm totally cool with it.

Do you have any inkling of what type of medicine you want to go into? Fear not if you aren't sure, eveni f you are remember that a lot of students change their minds their 3rd/4th year... TRUE you have less DO neurosurgeons than MD ones... but in general, a DO has a somewhat better shot at MD residencies than an FMG (myself included)...
 
You read True Blue??? ****GAG***** of all the cheesy rowing movies out there.... But it was a true incident that happened. I think there's a book on the whole affair by an American author, but I haven't read it. Of course the darks are ahead, the poll always goes to the team that won before. www.theboatrace.org does an absolutely brilliant web broadcast, though, and very good commentary. But that's only useful if you're in an area where they don't televise the boat race (damn Fox Sports).

Anyway, glad you read up :) Was great stuff last year, with one of the Lights nearly passing out during the race. This is the year they get it back though :). But I'm biased towards Cambridge. One of my best friends is the physio for the Cambridge rowers.
 
In my opinion, I would go with a DO program over an offshore MD program. You already mentioned one reason, DO's are generally looked more favorably than FMG's when it comes to residencies. Another poster said that life would be better in the US which I do not doubt is true after you've talked with grads from the Caribbean med schools. Personally, I wouldn't mind explaining what a DO is to patients or colleagues.
 
Thank you everyone for your responses. I really appreciate it.

I think that you all have made some very good points.

One of my main concerns is that I think I will be practicing at home in Los Angeles. Most people I know, ( and I work in a hospital and have been in healthcare for 9 years ), are not familiar with osteopathic medicine. This is a concern because I want to be in private practice. Will it be more difficult to build a flourishing practice? Will I be prejudiced against by MD's and not offerred a position in a group? And will patients who have holistic philosophies seek me out? This is not consistent with my own personal philosophy, and not what I am looking for in medicine.

Now..... these are all minor concerns. But I think they are something I need to be clear on before I make a decision. AND.....by no means do I think that osteopathic medicine is holistic medicine. I definitely know the difference. I have spent quite a bit of time with 3 D.O's and I'm currently doing research with one.

I'm just glad that I will have a decision to make....rather than not have one at all !
 
i was able to shadow a doctor here, an anethesiologist, who is a DO (wasn't too hot on doing paperwork/LOR). anyways, he said when it comes down to it the only people who ever questioned him were some MDs and he said he was making 10x more than they were now and had a bigger patient base.

my friend who does PT in the same office building with the doctor just thought of him as some a**hole MD. He was suprised he was a DO.
 
Originally posted by Thewonderer
IYou two are both Canadians from Ross, which is what I have noticed and maybe you have not. I don't see Skip Intro getting ticked off
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Well, just for the record, I'm a bona fide, full-blood, U.S.-born and raised U.S. citizen. But, it's surprising how many students here are from other nationalities, religions, cultures, etc. It's actually pretty cool, if you don't get too annoyed by some of the cliques.

Originally posted by Diogenes
How shocking! Carib people say carib, DO people say DO. Might I suggest one ignores any opinions from people with obvious bias?
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Well, again just for the record...

I think, if you care to read ALL of my posts in their complete and unredacted entirety (;)), you will see that never have I said that one route is inferior, superior, better, worse, smarter, dumber... etc. (you get the picture) than another.

I have enough real world experience working with nurses, doctors from everywhere (and, I mean EVERYWHERE), DOs, PAs, CRNPs, Nurse Anesthetists, etc. to know that it matters little were one does their undergrad training and what degree they have. It's all up to the individual. I worked with a PA in an ER one time who, I can assure you, would be the only person who I'd allow to come near me with suture material had I been injured - and that is in reference to every physician on staff. She was truly an artist.

But, thanks for the opportunity, Diogenes, to again illustrate how we need to be careful not to do too much "lumping" and generalizing. I'm not an "elitist" Carib student, contrary to what others may think of me. D.O. is a great route. I've worked with many D.O.'s who were not only competent, but just downright equal in every respect to any M.D. My choice had more to do with timing and other life factors that, fortunately, many of you do not have to consider given your relatively much younger ages in comparison to myself.

-Skip
MS2 Ross University
Portsmouth, Dominica
 
Originally posted by Skip Intro
Well, just for the record, I'm a bona fide, full-blood, U.S.-born and raised U.S. citizen. But, it's surprising how many students here are from other nationalities, religions, cultures, etc. It's actually pretty cool, if you don't get too annoyed by some of the cliques.
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oooops, I messed up..... :D
 
I just wanted you to know that D.O. s do take a holistic approach to medicine - maybe you know this - but your post made me think otherwise - good luck
 
You should be very respected as a DO in CA...it has the highest amount of DO's practicing in the country right now. I would chose being a DO over a Carribean med school without thinking twice...better programs here in the states and a much better residency opportunities. I am applying to both DO and MD schools because I love the DO philosophy even though I am qualified to attend either an allopathic or osteopathic school as far as mcats and gpa. I plan on choosing the school where I feel that I will recieve the best training and where I will be the happiest. DO's are not second rate in the US...you should research it a little more.
 
My personal ranking:SGU>Ross>Osteopathic Schools>AUC>SABA
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chief...

Wow, 31 posts in almost a year and I wonder how many of them have been to bash DOs? Do you go to a caribbean school?

"mdjd".... hmm, are you a lawyer too? If so, congrats...you're probably the first doctor that has given a lawyer a bad name, if that's possible ;)

Please make me your attending someday.
 
Joe, couldn't have said it any better myself! This is why I try not to participate in these ridiculous manhood measuring contests.
 
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I am embarassed for you.

I am ashamed to recognize you as being associated with the osteopathic community.

Have you any idea the hardships that individuals who are mentally challenged must face every day?

Do you realize the ridicule they recieve from their peers? Do you understand the multitude of health risks that accompany these genetic conditions? These individuals did not ask to be born with this condition, nor did their parents wish it for them.

And you decide that you will not only ridicule them, but you will do it in such a way that minimizes accomplishments in their lives. The Special Olympics is an organization that has done amazing things for people who are mentally challenged as well as those of us who are not. Have you ever volunteered with children with Downs syndrome or another like condition? Probably not. God didn't punish these children by creating them the way they are...He gave the rest of us a gift. A gift in humility, understanding, appreciation, and love.

I hope you reevalutate your outlook on things before you become a physician. If not for yourself, at least for those around you who will look up to you as a leader in the community.
 
JoeDO: I honestly chuckled when I saw your little post. However, I think JP is right. It was in poor taste.

mdjd: I have rotated with and have interviewed with people from Duke, Harvard, Hopkins, Stanford, Mayo, UCLA, Stanford, USC, UMich and the list goes on. None of them share your antiquated views on the whole MD vs DO debate. In between my 1st and 2nd year of medical school I did clinical research at a well known California allopathic medical school in the neurosurgery department, where the chief resident was a D.O. Now as a 4th year I feel confident that I'll match up with whomever you put me up against: MD, DO, or FMG.

Docs in the real world don't care if you're MD, DO, or FMG. All they care about is whether or not you're a good doctor PERIOD. This isn't determined by where you went to school. It's determined by how hard YOU are willing to work at becoming the best physician you can be. Remember folks, this is a lifelong process. You never stop learning and improving.
 
joedo,



As a case coordinator for DD and mentally ill teenagers, I find your picture post disturbing, non-compassionate and offensive.

If you are going to become a Physician and be respected by your peers, you will need to learn the meaning of compassion.

You will also need to think before you speak. Know your audience before saying something that might offend others.

I will refrain from commenting on what type of doctor that you will be. I am sure you have just spoken before thinking about the impact of your post. Just remember that compassion is a big piece to the puzzle of becoming a complete physician.
 
Sorry about the picture. This thread became awful and I was reacting to mdjd's comments.
I think you took my comment way too seriously. I have respect for the handicapped and I am rather compassionate.
Its funny that you'd question my decision to enter medicine over something as trivial as this. Especially today, after I came back from a couple of interviews and feel so motivated to become a D.O. and start my medical education.

I deleted the post.

Lighten up. Its an internet forum.

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while I agree with most of what you said I wouldn't be putting down the Caribbean medical schools. You dont buy a degree down there, if anything you work your ass if not harder down there. As my father put it, a US medical program will someone spoon feed you a bit more compared to what a foreign medical school will. Granted not all people who go there dont deserve to be a doctor and they will fail out. Those who make it out deserve and worked as hard as anyone else to get their degree.

but I would goto a DO program over a foreign medical school anyday, and in some cases over a US MD program.
 
Most of the schools down there are legit. I think most would agree with me, though, that the University of Health Sciences Antigua is a degree mill. They give advanced standing to just about anyone including dc's.
 
i dont think thats limited to teh caribbean though, Ive read of it happening in England as well using the Oxford name.

but there are legit schools like SGU, Ross and AUC.
 
as someone who once pondered the DO vs carribean MD question, I was wondering what "obstacles" carribean MDs faced...From what the schools told me (I know), they're grads were accepted into US residencies with no problem. What other obstacles would they face, aside from bearing the brunt of "real" MDs' ego trips? I worked with the chief of anesthesiology one summer, and he happened to be an AUC grad, and said no one cares where you went to school, it's what you know that counts...
 
Originally posted by joedo
Sorry about the picture. This thread became awful and I was reacting to mdjd's comments.
I think you took my comment way too seriously. I have respect for the handicapped and I am rather compassionate.
Its funny that you'd question my decision to enter medicine over something as trivial as this. Especially today, after I came back from a couple of interviews and feel so motivated to become a D.O. and start my medical education.

I deleted the post.

Lighten up. Its an internet forum.

BTW
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thanks for that absolute blasphemy. Funny, if someone posted a pic making fun of gays, then they would probably be banned. But of the G*d of the world's largest religion? Nah...not at all... :rollseyes: I've about had it with SDN..
 
Originally posted by Teufelhunden
Dear God, please save us from your followers.
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hey idiot, way to promote blasphemy and tolerance. Have fun at your, :laugh:, school
 
Originally posted by Teufelhunden
Well there's a Christain response if I ever heard one! LOL. I love it when people make my point for me.

WWJD?
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actually, yes, it is. Someone that promotes blasphemy is an idiot, as well as a fool. If you continue to blaspheme Jesus, then you will see WWJD for yourself!
 
:rolleyes:
 
So, DAPLAYA, after 106 replies did you find that your question was adequately addressed? :laugh: I think, to summarize, the conclusions were:

1. Stay in the U.S. at all costs because you will are less likely to be held hostage by a rebel faction in a third-world nation.

2. Research the individual schools thoroughly to be sure you know what you are getting yourself into.

3. Realize that "high tech" at most third-world schools consists of packing wounds in ice and yelling for help.

4. Understand that individuals claiming to be a follower of God but who simultaneously choose an alias based on a Nazi-dervied means of warfare (resulting, as we know, in the slaughter of millions of innocent persons from all nations and religions) more than likely has numerous screws loose.
 
I applied to both DO and MD schools. I just want to be a physician. I have heard great things about OMT. OMT is not a chiropractic function. It is beyond that. OMTers intends on healing ailments and are not looking for routine visits as some chiropractors are. I think that if one truly wants to become a physician and has an inner desire to heal and be challenged throughout their medical career than either DO or MD should do the job.

Some will say that DO surpasses MD in that OMT augments the traditional medical education. Through OMT, DO's may have better musculoskeletal (hope I spelled that right) anatomy skills. They may even have an advantage over MD's at orthopaedic surgery. I don't know, but one could clearly argue this.

I will glady go to either MD or DO schools. I think that on the most part, DO schools have smaller class sizes. I know one MD that wishes she was a DO. She said that both have the same end result and same pay, but DO education was easier. I really doubt that because how the hell would she know. Did she go to both MD and DO schools? How could anyoe say that unless they have been to both types of schools?

About the osteopathic philosophy. It makes perfect sense to me. I don't think it proposes anyhting radical.

Overall, I have a burning desire to become a physician, so I would just choose a school, whether DO or MD, based on convenience.
 
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