Do we really need a separate osteopathic subforum?

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Lee said:
Was on the fence for naming the forum, but based on feedback, changing it to "Medical Students" - which is more in line with the other sections. Could change to "Medical School" or another option if there is a consensus.
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Thanks Lee! Whenever you get the time, could you also repair some of the technical glitches in Night Mode style? Some of the text in older threads appear completely black and thus difficult to read.
 
Lawper said:
Thanks Lee! Whenever you get the time, could you also repair some of the technical glitches in Night Mode style? Some of the text in older threads appear completely black and thus difficult to read.
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From what I can tell, the occasional dark blue/black text was set by the member when it was posted. A solution would be to make the background a darker grey rather than black.
 
Lee said:
Was on the fence for naming the forum, but based on feedback, changing it to "Medical Students" - which is more in line with the other sections. Could change to "Medical School" or another option if there is a consensus.
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That is more appropriate IMO...
 
I like it. There may be some specific Osteopathic school related topics that won't be of interest to everyone, but honestly even if they were still separate there's always going to be topics that may be more specific for a given school or region even and not of interest to everyone. You're not forced to read every thread. And there aren't separate Allo/Osteo residency threads even though there have been separate training programs.
 
libertyyne said:
Please tell me how allopathic students want to listen about comlex again.
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Funny thing is, I don't think I've ever actually listened to anything in the SDN forums.

I've also, in my ~7 years here, managed to only read the threads that interested me.

Maybe your experience has been different?
 
Hi DO's! Welcome to the world of people b****ing about primary care and the wise words of Failedatlife.
 
SLC said:
Funny thing is, I don't think I've ever actually listened to anything in the SDN forums.

I've also, in my ~7 years here, managed to only read the threads that interested me.

Maybe your experience has been different?
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Visually impaired folks may have a different experience, but pedantics are pedantics.
 
Lee said:
Was on the fence for naming the forum, but based on feedback, changing it to "Medical Students" - which is more in line with the other sections. Could change to "Medical School" or another option if there is a consensus.
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Its good the way it is. Also, the DO/MD labels are going to stay around right? Like if someone wants to post something DO specific they'll get the option to label it with a DO when they make new threads from here on out, right?

I like this much better than having a subforum, like was previously suggested in this thread. There's inherently more traffic to threads. I can easily find DO-specific threads I might be interested in, and most importantly, I don't have an added page click into a subforum.

Anicetus said:
Hi DO's! Welcome to the world of people b****ing about primary care and the wise words of Failedatlife.
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Hey man, don't worry we will holistically examine all of your threads and posts and show you some techniques to treat those subsequent hypertonic paraspinals and tension headaches.
 
To me, this is a huge bummer. I liked having a specific DO forum for us to commiserate. Yet another casualty of the merger!!!
 
hallowmann said:
Its good the way it is. Also, the DO/MD labels are going to stay around right? Like if someone wants to post something DO specific they'll get the option to label it with a DO when they make new threads from here on out, right?
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+1 to the sticker idea. Overall I read allo more than osteo because it tended to be more interesting (enough with the whoot whoot doom and gloom threads about COCA, guys) but we do have some conversations that won't be at all relevant to our MD colleagues, like the "when to take step 1/2" threads and how to study for two sets of boards and things like that.
 
Beezlebub said:
Allosteopathic or Osteoallopathic - whichever the ego prefers
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As a DO, I would've voted for Allosteopathic. It just has a better ring to it.

libertyyne said:
Please tell me how allopathic students want to listen about comlex again.
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Maybe not the COMLEX, but with how often MD threads have people complaining about the rate of DO expansion I'd say the Liberty hate will find a nice new home in the merged forum.

AlbinoHawk DO said:
DNPMDO. We are welcoming of all doctors ;-)
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Anicetus said:
Hi DO's! Welcome to the world of people b****ing about primary care and the wise words of Failedatlife.
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It's okay, now that the DO's are here he can learn about being a holistic student who isn't viewed only by his Step 1 score
 
So now that it is merged do we need to let the MDs understand OMM, or create code words so they can never figure out the precious secrets passed down from the glorious A.T. Still
 
2ndtimesthecharm said:
So now that it is merged do we need to let the MDs understand OMM, or create code words so they can never figure out the precious secrets passed down from the glorious A.T. Still
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The secrets of the acclaimed AT Still are so well kept that after two years of teaching, I still know little to nothing about OMM
 
Brorthopedic said:
The secrets of the acclaimed AT Still are so well kept that after two years of teaching, I still know little to nothing about OMM
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They reveal themselves to you when you arent searching. Look Inwards at the holistic lamp burning inside.
 
2ndtimesthecharm said:
So now that it is merged do we need to let the MDs understand OMM, or create code words so they can never figure out the precious secrets passed down from the glorious A.T. Still
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You don't need codewords, they have no idea what the real words mean. Counterstrain? Facilitated Positional Release? Craniosacral impulse?
 
I used to be an OMM skeptic - and when it comes to certain aspects of OMM I still am - but after getting hands on with this stuff I've learned OMM can actually be quite practical.

I guess the argument can be made that OMM should not be taught in undergraduate medical education, but if I were an FM/PM&R/Peds/IM resident (MD or DO) - seeking out a little OMM training would be a no brainer for me.

But what do I know - I'm just a med student interested in Psych...
 
IsWhat said:
I used to be an OMM skeptic - and when it comes to certain aspects of OMM I still am - but after getting hands on with this stuff I've learned OMM can actually be quite practical.

I guess the argument can be made that OMM should not be taught in undergraduate medical education, but if I were an FM/PM&R/Peds/IM resident (MD or DO) - seeking out a little OMM training would be a no brainer for me.

But what do I know - I'm just a med student interested in Psych...
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What indications do you believe it is more efficacious compared to the standard of care?
 
libertyyne said:
What indications do you believe it is more efficacious compared to the standard of care?
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I am literally one of the least DO-esque students out there but you really are clueless on the matter, bud.

There has never been an instance where we have been told "Do this instead of medical treatment". It's an adjunct therapy, you know, like physical therapy. So, maybe you should educate yourself on the topic before speaking.

As the adage goes: "I would rather be thought of as a fool, then to open my mouth and remove all doubt."

Just some food for thought.
 
ChiTownBHawks said:
I am literally one of the least DO-esque students out there but you really are clueless on the matter, bud.

There has never been an instance where we have been told "do this instead of medical treatment". It's an adjunct therapy, you know, like physical therapy. So, maybe you should educate yourself on the topic before speaking.

As the adage goes: "I would rather be thought of as a fool, then to open my mouth and remove all doubt."

Just some food for thought...
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Maybe you should prove the efficacy of your adjunct therapy before wasting time and resources on it.
 
libertyyne said:
Maybe you should prove the efficacy of your adjunct therapy before wasting time and resources on it.
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Ignorance isn't an attractive trait. The vast majority of omm is physical therapy. Of course, you are a pre-med who knows **** about the subject matter so how would you know?

Source: a DO student who will never use omm in practice but wants to clarify your ******edness.
 
ChiTownBHawks said:
Ignorance isn't an attractive trait. The vast majority of omm is physical therapy. Of course, you are a pre-med who knows **** about the subject matter so how would you know?

Source: a DO student who will never use omm in practice but wants to clarify your ******edness.
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Sure thing, deflect. Give me a study that shows efficacy.

Source: A person that doesnt believe in pseudoscience
 
libertyyne said:
Maybe you should prove the efficacy of your adjunct therapy before wasting time and resources on it.
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I'm not sure that you need a study to prove that stretching a muscle against resistance can relieve tightness ( There's actually a few good studies on that both from DPTs and DOs). Look, I'm a major skeptic of OMT and I think a lot of it isn't relevant. However lots of it is already commonly practiced by MDs in sports medicine, PM&R, etc. HVLA is taught in Physical Therapy schools. And personally I can admit that there may be some validity to the concept of a somatic dysfunction and using findings such as it to help identify treatment modalities. I.e I have lower back pain, let me do some sacral techniques so you're not tense and then move on to some lumbar muscle energy so your muscles can be less tight and potentially restore some lost motion. This isn't voodoo, it's basic physical therapy.

Obviously when you're looking at cranial or chapmans yah, those need to go.


Either way though, I think ppl on SDN a bit detached from the reality that people in pain will come into their clinic and anything that can work even a bit is already good.
 
libertyyne said:
Sure thing, deflect. Give me a study that shows efficacy.

Source: A person that doesnt believe in pseudoscience
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You don't believe in physical therapy??? Hahahahahahah. K bud. Again, you literally have no idea what you are talking about. You are focused on the **** literally all of us hate (which is a small part of omm and to put in writing, I find the course to be a complete waste of time). This small part I am not defending and you can't even argue because you are so clueless on the topic that you don't even know the terminology.

Perhaps educate yourself on a topic you are so against before arguing against it.

Edited: cause I was being a d*ck.
 
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libertyyne said:
Thats what the Vaginal OMM expert said.
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ChiTownBHawks said:
I am literally one of the least DO-esque students out there but you really are clueless on the matter, bud.

There has never been an instance where we have been told "Do this instead of medical treatment". It's an adjunct therapy, you know, like physical therapy. So, maybe you should educate yourself on the topic before speaking.

As the adage goes: "I would rather be thought of as a fool, then to open my mouth and remove all doubt."

Just some food for thought.
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libertyyne said:
Maybe you should prove the efficacy of your adjunct therapy before wasting time and resources on it.
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ChiTownBHawks said:
Ignorance isn't an attractive trait. The vast majority of omm is physical therapy. Of course, you are a pre-med who knows **** about the subject matter so how would you know?

Source: a DO student who will never use omm in practice but wants to clarify your ******edness.
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libertyyne said:
Sure thing, deflect. Give me a study that shows efficacy.

Source: A person that doesnt believe in pseudoscience
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ChiTownBHawks said:
You don't believe in physical therapy??? Hahahahahahah. K bud. Again, you literally have no idea what you are talking about. You are focused on the **** literally all of us hate (which is a small part of omm and to put in writing, I find the course to be a complete waste of time). This small part I am not defending and you can't even argue because you are so clueless on the topic that you don't even know the terminology.

Enjoy your evening, pre-med. Perhaps educate yourself on a topic you are so against before arguing against it. You seem like the perfect liberal 🙂
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i'll never understand why OMM, if it's even supported by science, is unique to DO schools. if OMM really is scientific and backed with strong studies, what stops MD schools from using it as an elective?
 
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