Do you have these biases?

[Octophetus]

There was a study where researchers showed video clips to a group of participants. One is a needle touching someone's skin. The other is an eraser touching someone's skin. When participants saw the white people receiving a painful stimuli, they responded much more dramatically than they did for black people. Two 3rds Health care providers have these biases as well.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3108582/

Archival data from the National Football League injury reports reveal that, injured Black players are deemed more likely to play in a subsequent game relative to injured white players.
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0048546

They did a similar study where children ages 5, 7 and 10 were shown pictures of other children (of the same gender) such as bumping their head, or slamming a hand in a door. They were asked to rate the severity of pain that they believed would be felt by those children. The 7 and 10 year olds tended to rate the pain less severe of black children than they did of white children.
https://news.virginia.edu/content/study-racial-bias-pain-perception-appears-among-children-young-7

There is a study that shows that in emergency rooms black CHILDREN receive less pain medication than white children for level 7 pains (even severe abdominal pain). Black and Hispanic children face longer emergency room stays. The chance of a black child getting medication is 1/5 of a white child's chance.
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/kids-health/black-kids-get-less-pain-medication-white-kids-er-n427056
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ds-than-black-kids-in-the-emergency-room.html

These biases are proven by studies. I know you are thinking "I don't have these biases", but you can still have internalized biases without ever realizing it. If you asked the same study participants "Do black people feel less pain?" Or "do you have biases where black people feel less pain?" they will reply "No. of course not!" But they maintain internalized biases without realizing it. Think about a kid you know. What if he came to the ER with SEVERE abdominal pain and people didn't give him pain medication for HOURS. Think about these biases. If you have these biases, unlearn them.

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[NotASerialKiller]

proven

studies

If you have these biases, unlearn them

Thanks for the tip, I'll go practice on some black children.

 

[AirplaneFruit]

This thing too:

"Psychology studies have shown that white people don't even see minorities as human beings.

Source: https://ose.utsc.utoronto.ca/ose/story.php?id=2135
Paper cited in Source: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022103110000661

Also, while constraints on empathy exist for all groups towards other-group members, minorities still exhibit a greater ability for empathy towards white people than the reverse. Read On The Universality and Cultural Specificity of Emotion Recognition by Elfenbein & Ambady (2002)."

 

[Lost in Translation]

>Psychology
>science

Pick one :^)

 

[BurghMed]

not one of these threads again. please. i beg you.

 

[Meeehai]

>Psychology
>science

Pick one :^)

Nice meme.

 

[Lost in Translation]

http://niceme.me/

 

[clippers50fan]

Congratulations, you're describing the simple phenomena of out-group vs. in-group. Do you want a cookie?

 

[Glandzburg]

Did you come to have a conversation about these biases or to "tsk tsk" everyone else?

 

[Goro]

hey, while you're at it, read this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/02/u...s-expose-discrimination-against-disabled.html

We're all human, and therefore, very imperfect. You want perfect? Climb Mt Olympus.

There was a study where researchers showed video clips to a group of participants. One is a needle touching someone's skin. The other is an eraser touching someone's skin. When participants saw the white people receiving a painful stimuli, they responded much more dramatically than they did for black people. Two 3rds Health care providers have these biases as well.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3108582/

Archival data from the National Football League injury reports reveal that, injured Black players are deemed more likely to play in a subsequent game relative to injured white players.
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0048546

They did a similar study where children ages 5, 7 and 10 were shown pictures of other children (of the same gender) such as bumping their head, or slamming a hand in a door. They were asked to rate the severity of pain that they believed would be felt by those children. The 7 and 10 year olds tended to rate the pain less severe of black children than they did of white children.
https://news.virginia.edu/content/study-racial-bias-pain-perception-appears-among-children-young-7

There is a study that shows that in emergency rooms black CHILDREN receive less pain medication than white children for level 7 pains (even severe abdominal pain). Black and Hispanic children face longer emergency room stays. The chance of a black child getting medication is 1/5 of a white child's chance.
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/kids-health/black-kids-get-less-pain-medication-white-kids-er-n427056
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ds-than-black-kids-in-the-emergency-room.html

These biases are proven by studies. I know you are thinking "I don't have these biases", but you can still have internalized biases without ever realizing it. If you asked the same study participants "Do black people feel less pain?" Or "do you have biases where black people feel less pain?" they will reply "No. of course not!" But they maintain internalized biases without realizing it. Think about a kid you know. What if he came to the ER with SEVERE abdominal pain and people didn't give him pain medication for HOURS. Think about these biases. If you have these biases, unlearn them.

 

[Octophetus]

Did you come to have a conversation about these biases or to "tsk tsk" everyone else?

I cane here to have a conversation about biases.

 

[WedgeDawg]

hey, while you're at it, read this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/02/u...s-expose-discrimination-against-disabled.html

We're all human, and therefore, very imperfect. You want perfect? Climb Mt Olympus.

The one on Mars or the one in Greece?

Because I'll only respect people who climb the one on Mars.

 

[Glandzburg]

I cane here to have a conversation about biases.

Oh ok. Your condescending tone and lack of any real questions for discussion had me fooled.

 

[clippers50fan]

Oh ok. Your condescending tone and lack of any real questions for discussion had me fooled.

Seems OP is a fan of irony.

 

[goldy490]

There was a study where researchers showed video clips to a group of participants. One is a needle touching someone's skin. The other is an eraser touching someone's skin. When participants saw the white people receiving a painful stimuli, they responded much more dramatically than they did for black people. Two 3rds Health care providers have these biases as well.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3108582/

Archival data from the National Football League injury reports reveal that, injured Black players are deemed more likely to play in a subsequent game relative to injured white players.
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0048546

They did a similar study where children ages 5, 7 and 10 were shown pictures of other children (of the same gender) such as bumping their head, or slamming a hand in a door. They were asked to rate the severity of pain that they believed would be felt by those children. The 7 and 10 year olds tended to rate the pain less severe of black children than they did of white children.
https://news.virginia.edu/content/study-racial-bias-pain-perception-appears-among-children-young-7

There is a study that shows that in emergency rooms black CHILDREN receive less pain medication than white children for level 7 pains (even severe abdominal pain). Black and Hispanic children face longer emergency room stays. The chance of a black child getting medication is 1/5 of a white child's chance.
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/kids-health/black-kids-get-less-pain-medication-white-kids-er-n427056
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ds-than-black-kids-in-the-emergency-room.html

These biases are proven by studies. I know you are thinking "I don't have these biases", but you can still have internalized biases without ever realizing it. If you asked the same study participants "Do black people feel less pain?" Or "do you have biases where black people feel less pain?" they will reply "No. of course not!" But they maintain internalized biases without realizing it. Think about a kid you know. What if he came to the ER with SEVERE abdominal pain and people didn't give him pain medication for HOURS. Think about these biases. If you have these biases, unlearn them.

To paraphrase Winged Ox, claiming to be a "Social Justice Warrior" is like proudly declaring your virginity to the Internet.

 

[Lost in Translation]

The one on Mars or the one in Greece?

Because I'll only respect people who climb the one on Mars.

Olympus Mons is more like a really large plateau so climbing it is less challenging than hacking your way up the side of a cliff.

 

[WedgeDawg]

Olympus Mons is more like a really large plateau so climbing it is less challenging than hacking your way up the side of a cliff.

Yeah but it's harder to get to Mars in the first place than to get to the top of some Greek mountain.

 

[Glandzburg]

WedgeDawg: aspiring optometrist

 

[PREMEDitated22]

If anything I don't think it condemns them for having biased tendencys toward another group, I think it just makes a another case for UIM doctors. All people have bias, if we can recognize and minimize them then great but increasing representation of those groups in medicine is the best way to ensure quality of care across the board. imo.

 

[wavvvvvves123]

Congratulations, you're describing the simple phenomena of out-group vs. in-group. Do you want a cookie?

Lol. Why are you speaking to OP as though he's revealing common knowledge? A lot of people act like we currently live in a post-racial society in which skin color doesn't need to be considered or discussed (and doing so is pulling the "race card"). if you already knew all of these statistics, then that's great, but a lot of people aren't aware of how pervasive these so called simple phenomena are.

 

[clippers50fan]

Lol. Why are you speaking to OP as though he's revealing common knowledge? A lot of people act like we currently live in a post-racial society in which skin color doesn't need to be considered or discussed (and doing so is pulling the "race card"). if you already knew all of these statistics, then that's great, but a lot of people aren't aware of how pervasive these so called simple phenomena are.

Because there's a way to have a healthy, constructive conversation about prejudice and bias and how to recognize it and things to do about it, and then there's the way OP did it. He's posting as if he's blasting my minds of millions. "If you have these biases, unlearn them." Are you kidding me? Unlearn biological biases that evolved over millions of years? Come on, give me a break. OP was pretentious about it and got called out about it, simple as that.

 

[wavvvvvves123]

Because there's a way to have a healthy, constructive conversation about prejudice and bias and how to recognize it and things to do about it, and then there's the way OP did it. He's posting as if he's blasting my minds of millions. "If you have these biases, unlearn them." Are you kidding me? Unlearn biological biases that evolved over millions of years? Come on, give me a break. OP was pretentious about it and got called out about it, simple as that.

"Unlearn biological biases that evolved over millions of years?"

Uhh....are you saying that racism is inherent or something? Lol. We choose how we socially define our in-groups and out-groups. Humans have the power to unlearn racial divides and make one big racially diverse in-group rather than viewing people as "other" or as part of an out-group simply because their skin is darker. I realize that there's a **** ton of racial baggage and inequality to unpack to get to that point, but it is theoretically possible to view someone as a different race than your own as part of your in-group considering that race is a social construct in and of itself. racial prejudice isn't biologically inherent. yes, fearing the "other" is a biological response, but the social categories we use to define someone as "other" is more to do with social norms. an amazing example of this is how being fat used to be viewed as a sign of wealth, but now it is viewed poorly. the groups we choose to empathize with or look up to or strive to be a part of change with our social norms.

and back to you having issue with how OP chose to start this dialogue. honestly, despite the fact that OP wasn't tactful, the fact that they brought these topics to light on this forum (which has had some seriously racist stuff said here) simply made me very happy to see. even if a person isn't perfectly expressing themselves, i'll give them a pass if they're at least shedding light on things that are super important for aspiring doctors to read and learn about.

 

[Glandzburg]

"Unlearn biological biases that evolved over millions of years?"

Uhh....are you saying that racism is inherent or something? Lol. We choose how we socially define our in-groups and out-groups. Humans have the power to unlearn racial divides and make one big racially diverse in-group rather than viewing people as "other" or as part of an out-group simply because their skin is darker. I realize that there's a **** ton of racial baggage and inequality to unpack to get to that point, but it is theoretically possible to view someone as a different race than your own as part of your in-group considering that race is a social construct in and of itself. racial prejudice isn't biologically inherent. yes, fearing the "other" is a biological response, but the social categories we use to define someone as "other" is more to do with social norms. an amazing example of this is how being fat used to be viewed as a sign of wealth, but now it is viewed poorly. the groups we choose to empathize with or look up to or strive to be a part of change with our social norms.

and back to you having issue with how OP chose to start this dialogue. honestly, despite the fact that OP wasn't tactful, the fact that they brought these topics to light on this forum (which has had some seriously racist stuff said here) simply made me very happy to see. even if a person isn't perfectly expressing themselves, i'll give them a pass if they're at least shedding light on things that are super important for aspiring doctors to read and learn about.

When you want to start a potentially polarizing conversation, tactfulness is very important. OP ruined any chance of people having an intelligent conversation when he/she raced in here and started pointing fingers with his/her first post. Most people aren't quick to "give this a pass" as you did.

Nobody is trying to argue that racism and bias is a thing of the past.

 

[PREMEDitated22]

"Unlearn biological biases that evolved over millions of years?"

Uhh....are you saying that racism is inherent or something? Lol. We choose how we socially define our in-groups and out-groups. Humans have the power to unlearn racial divides and make one big racially diverse in-group rather than viewing people as "other" or as part of an out-group simply because their skin is darker. I realize that there's a **** ton of racial baggage and inequality to unpack to get to that point, but it is theoretically possible to view someone as a different race than your own as part of your in-group considering that race is a social construct in and of itself. racial prejudice isn't biologically inherent. yes, fearing the "other" is a biological response, but the social categories we use to define someone as "other" is more to do with social norms. an amazing example of this is how being fat used to be viewed as a sign of wealth, but now it is viewed poorly. the groups we choose to empathize with or look up to or strive to be a part of change with our social norms.

and back to you having issue with how OP chose to start this dialogue. honestly, despite the fact that OP wasn't tactful, the fact that they brought these topics to light on this forum (which has had some seriously racist stuff said here) simply made me very happy to see. even if a person isn't perfectly expressing themselves, i'll give them a pass if they're at least shedding light on things that are super important for aspiring doctors to read and learn about.

soooooooooooooooooooooo not even worth it. Take it from someone who knows and understands. OP did come in a slightly condemning tone but two wrongs don't make a right with in group vs out group guy. He just fought ignorance with ignorance. I'd just rather not see this blow up lol SDNs been good lately.

 

[BurghMed]

so...close thread?

 

[lcm2020]

hey, while you're at it, read this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/02/u...s-expose-discrimination-against-disabled.html

We're all human, and therefore, very imperfect. You want perfect? Climb Mt Olympus.

But the Greek Gods are humanized, therefore they present the common human imperfections as well.

 

[Mad Jack]

There was a study where researchers showed video clips to a group of participants. One is a needle touching someone's skin. The other is an eraser touching someone's skin. When participants saw the white people receiving a painful stimuli, they responded much more dramatically than they did for black people. Two 3rds Health care providers have these biases as well.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3108582/

Archival data from the National Football League injury reports reveal that, injured Black players are deemed more likely to play in a subsequent game relative to injured white players.
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0048546

They did a similar study where children ages 5, 7 and 10 were shown pictures of other children (of the same gender) such as bumping their head, or slamming a hand in a door. They were asked to rate the severity of pain that they believed would be felt by those children. The 7 and 10 year olds tended to rate the pain less severe of black children than they did of white children.
https://news.virginia.edu/content/study-racial-bias-pain-perception-appears-among-children-young-7

There is a study that shows that in emergency rooms black CHILDREN receive less pain medication than white children for level 7 pains (even severe abdominal pain). Black and Hispanic children face longer emergency room stays. The chance of a black child getting medication is 1/5 of a white child's chance.
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/kids-health/black-kids-get-less-pain-medication-white-kids-er-n427056
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ds-than-black-kids-in-the-emergency-room.html

These biases are proven by studies. I know you are thinking "I don't have these biases", but you can still have internalized biases without ever realizing it. If you asked the same study participants "Do black people feel less pain?" Or "do you have biases where black people feel less pain?" they will reply "No. of course not!" But they maintain internalized biases without realizing it. Think about a kid you know. What if he came to the ER with SEVERE abdominal pain and people didn't give him pain medication for HOURS. Think about these biases. If you have these biases, unlearn them.

All I can do is do me. **** studies.

 

[BurghMed]

But the Greek Gods are humanized, therefore they present the common human imperfections as well.

Laughed so hard at this

 

[Mad Jack]

I cane here to have a conversation about biases.

 

[goldy490]

I cane here to have a conversation about biases.

I cane here to address the rampant disregard for spell check in SDN culture.

 

[Glandzburg]

OP was banned? Shocking.