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ok..long story short...I have a 2.8 gpa----56 pcat---zero volunteer, but great LOR's and 3 & 1/2 years pharm experience.


Applied to 8 schools
6 Interviews-1 Rejection-1 declined interview
4 Acceptations (My number 1 & 2 schools)-2 Holds
5 Accredited Schools-1 Candidate School


So for those of you who r stressing, don't!!
 
So, which schools did you get accepted to if you don't mind me asking?
 
ok..long story short...I have a 2.8 gpa----56 pcat---zero volunteer, but great LOR's and 3 & 1/2 years pharm experience.


Applied to 8 schools
6 Interviews-1 Rejection-1 declined interview
4 Acceptations (My number 1 & 2 schools)-2 Holds
5 Accredited Schools-1 Candidate School


So for those of you who r stressing, don't!!


Regardless of what anyone says, if I haven't gotten accepted to a pharmacy school by now, I would still be stressing over it. It's normal.

(I do agree with the "Don't lose hope" part though)
 
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Just curious (and I don't mean to be insensitive), but are you a URM? Regardless if you are or not, congrats on pharm. school!
 
Just curious (and I don't mean to be insensitive), but are you a URM? Regardless if you are or not, congrats on pharm. school!

Odd, you seem to ask this question a lot.
Are you an URM yourself? Or why are you so interested?
 
Odd, you seem to ask this question a lot.
Are you an URM yourself? Or why are you so interested?

No I'm not. I ask because it is a big reason why someone with lower end stats can get into professional school. Usually, if you are not a URM, you will not get into a school with those stats.
 
No I'm not. I ask because it is a big reason why someone with lower end stats can get into professional school. Usually, if you are not a URM, you will not get into a school with those stats.

I see what you're saying. Hm, I'd be interested to know as well.
 
Hey where in OC are u from..I used to live in Garden Grove (I went to SunnySide Elementary) u know where thats at?

I live in a city that's located northeast from Garden Grove, so I'd say it's about a 15-20 minute drive away depending on what part of the city you're from. Congrats on your acceptances by the way!
 
I live in a city that's located northeast from Garden Grove, so I'd say it's about a 15-20 minute drive away depending on what part of the city you're from. Congrats on your acceptances by the way!

Mmmm Garden Grove, it reminds me of good Vietnamese food in Westminster.
 
I live in a city that's located northeast from Garden Grove, so I'd say it's about a 15-20 minute drive away depending on what part of the city you're from. Congrats on your acceptances by the way!

anacrime? orange? fullerton? placentia? brea?
 
ok..long story short...I have a 2.8 gpa----56 pcat---zero volunteer, but great LOR's and 3 & 1/2 years pharm experience.


Applied to 8 schools
6 Interviews-1 Rejection-1 declined interview
4 Acceptations (My number 1 & 2 schools)-2 Holds
5 Accredited Schools-1 Candidate School


So for those of you who r stressing, don't!!

I really would like to know which schools you did get accepted to, and what is your sci/math gpa, not overall?
 
Yeah you could. But why would you?

I suppose it depends, but when I was (briefly) exploring UoPhoenix for an M.S. in Biology, they required a 3.0 in Undergraduate.

I don't really think a 3.0 is asking too much...

I wish I was a URM so I had more time to slack off and then blame my lack of GPA on where I was born or where my parents were born. That'd be swell.

I grew up every bit as poor as URM folks that get special treatment, and I put myself through college, then joined the Army to pay back my loans, and now I am continuing my education. I see no reason anyone needs special help with grades, etc that I didn't get, despite no one giving me any advantages that NON-underrepresented people are innately supposed to have available to them. My parents didn't go to college, my sister didn't go to college, and no one taught me "good study habits" - I figured it out for myself.

Going to take heat for this I'm sure, but someone's minority status is a piss-poor reason for letting someone into a prestigious school. You earn it on your own, or you're out, and that's that.

But that's why I'll never be president I guess.
 
yeah too bad i'm in an ORM....asians get the shaft with these stupid affirmative action programs. Univ. of CA is changing undergrad admissions in 2012 and the # of qualified asians will go down the tubes.
 
One of the 5 cities that you listed. 😀

It must be Fullerton. 😛

ok..long story short...I have a 2.8 gpa----56 pcat---zero volunteer, but great LOR's and 3 & 1/2 years pharm experience.


Applied to 8 schools
6 Interviews-1 Rejection-1 declined interview
4 Acceptations (My number 1 & 2 schools)-2 Holds
5 Accredited Schools-1 Candidate School

I see now that you only need a pulse to get into pharmacy school.
 
yeah too bad i'm in an ORM....asians get the shaft with these stupid affirmative action programs. Univ. of CA is changing undergrad admissions in 2012 and the # of qualified asians will go down the tubes.

Luckily for me they have done away with affirmative action in MI universities. However, the result is a large percentage of pharmacy students here are asian. oh well 😀

To the OP, what school did you get into?
 
I suppose it depends, but when I was (briefly) exploring UoPhoenix for an M.S. in Biology, they required a 3.0 in Undergraduate.

I don't really think a 3.0 is asking too much...

I wish I was a URM so I had more time to slack off and then blame my lack of GPA on where I was born or where my parents were born. That'd be swell.

I grew up every bit as poor as URM folks that get special treatment, and I put myself through college, then joined the Army to pay back my loans, and now I am continuing my education. I see no reason anyone needs special help with grades, etc that I didn't get, despite no one giving me any advantages that NON-underrepresented people are innately supposed to have available to them. My parents didn't go to college, my sister didn't go to college, and no one taught me "good study habits" - I figured it out for myself.

Going to take heat for this I'm sure, but someone's minority status is a piss-poor reason for letting someone into a prestigious school. You earn it on your own, or you're out, and that's that.

But that's why I'll never be president I guess.

You make yourself look like a fool when you come into a thread and make comments like the ones I highlighted. It demonstrates that you do not know what it means to be an URM and makes me question what kind Pharmacist you'll be in the future.

Let me guess...bitter Teabagging Republican?
 
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ok..long story short...I have a 2.8 gpa----56 pcat---zero volunteer, but great LOR's and 3 & 1/2 years pharm experience.


Applied to 8 schools
6 Interviews-1 Rejection-1 declined interview
4 Acceptations (My number 1 & 2 schools)-2 Holds
5 Accredited Schools-1 Candidate School


So for those of you who r stressing, don't!!
...this is ridiculous, which schools were you accepted to?

I don't mean to be rude, but just because you got in, doesn't mean you're going to get out (with a pharmD).
 
...this is ridiculous, which schools were you accepted to?

I don't mean to be rude, but just because you got in, doesn't mean you're going to get out (with a pharmD).


Yea it is ridiculous. I think the OP must be a troll.
 
ok..long story short...I have a 2.8 gpa----56 pcat---zero volunteer, but great LOR's and 3 & 1/2 years pharm experience.


Applied to 8 schools
6 Interviews-1 Rejection-1 declined interview
4 Acceptations (My number 1 & 2 schools)-2 Holds
5 Accredited Schools-1 Candidate School


So for those of you who r stressing, don't!!


Good job, I applied to a lot of schools and didn't get any acceptations.
 
I suppose it depends, but when I was (briefly) exploring UoPhoenix for an M.S. in Biology, they required a 3.0 in Undergraduate.

I don't really think a 3.0 is asking too much...

I wish I was a URM so I had more time to slack off and then blame my lack of GPA on where I was born or where my parents were born. That'd be swell.

I grew up every bit as poor as URM folks that get special treatment, and I put myself through college, then joined the Army to pay back my loans, and now I am continuing my education. I see no reason anyone needs special help with grades, etc that I didn't get, despite no one giving me any advantages that NON-underrepresented people are innately supposed to have available to them. My parents didn't go to college, my sister didn't go to college, and no one taught me "good study habits" - I figured it out for myself.

Going to take heat for this I'm sure, but someone's minority status is a piss-poor reason for letting someone into a prestigious school. You earn it on your own, or you're out, and that's that.

But that's why I'll never be president I guess.

I really don't care for your right-wing diatribe concerning minorities....obviously you are nothing more than some whiny little prick who has had no real experience with those coming from different backgrounds (i.e. minorities). Someone should really throw your ass in a ghetto for a week and then you come tell me that you've had it just as hard. Furthermore, I find the fact that you're automatic assumption that this person with the low GPA is a minority highly offensive and blatantly racist. You are probably the kind of prick that the minute you see a black or mexican walk down the street, you cross the street to avoid them, who believes that all brown/black minorities better service the country as janitors or servers at Taco Bell, and cringe when you go to the doctor and find out **gasp** Dr. Johnston is a minority.
 
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Going to take heat for this I'm sure, but someone's minority status is a piss-poor reason for letting someone into a prestigious school. You earn it on your own, or you're out, and that's that.

But that's why I'll never be president I guess.

yeah too bad i'm in an ORM....asians get the shaft with these stupid affirmative action programs. Univ. of CA is changing undergrad admissions in 2012 and the # of qualified asians will go down the tubes.

... and all the so-called students who are not URM are super qualified?

There is a reason why Indians, Chinese and most Europeans do better than us in science and math and even speak more proper English! We have become lazy and expect curves in classrooms all the time to bail us out. Students here become terrified at the thought of being called to work a conceptual problem on the board or even answer simple questions. As Americans, students like you can be arrogant.

Most schools interviews you go into, there are very few minorities, why? Under Represented Minorities can mean that instead of taking that extra day to study, the student had to work a very long shift; it can mean that the student just did not have the opportunities to succeed; it can mean funds, a needed necessity, were not available to pay for class. Yet you hide behind your computers and make fun of how people look on other forums, you poke fun at those who try hard to make it. This is outrageous! I can't fathom hearing such vitriol from you aspiring pharmacists. You are arrogant! I leave with you some much needed food for thoughts and hope, there is a trace of conscious roaming free somewhere.

To make a point:

Dr. Benjamin Carson is a Neurosurgeon at Johns Hopkins!

Dr. Alefredo Quinones is a Neurosurgeon at Johns Hopkins!


You make yourself look like a fool when you come into a thread and make comments like the ones I highlighted. It demonstrates that you do not know what it means to be an URM and makes me question what kind Pharmacist you'll be in the future.

Let me guess...bitter Teabagging Republican?

Right on! I can't imagine these arrogant students as my colleagues. It is okay to disagree, but to have them belittle other people as mere idiots make me wonder just how smart these blabbermouths are. Anyways, there is nothing more to invest in this thread.

I will say this, I think the OP is a troll. 😴
 
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OK first thing is first. OP is a troll.

Second, I would like to know what ya'lls responses would be if this in fact were true and the OP was not a URM.

EDIT: I also want to clarify something for everyone here (and please FEEL FREE to correct me). If you are a URM, you are not automatically poor, live in the ghetto, and have to work 90 hrs/wk just to support your 9 crack-addicted siblings. There are plenty of well-off Blacks and Hispanics and there are plenty of poor Whites and Asians. I am going to expound upon my views later. I am sure everyone is looking forward to this 😉
 
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I really don't care for your right-wing diatribe concerning minorities....obviously you are nothing more than some whiny little prick who has had no real experience with those coming from different backgrounds (i.e. minorities). Someone should really throw your ass in a ghetto for a week and then you come tell me that you've had it just as hard. Furthermore, I find the fact that you're automatic assumption that this person with the low GPA is a minority highly offensive and blatantly racist. You are probably the kind of prick that the minute you see a black or mexican walk down the street, you cross the street to avoid them, who believes that all brown/black minorities better service the country as janitors or servers at Taco Bell, and cringe when you go to the doctor and find out **gasp** Dr. Johnston is a minority.

i forgot that every minority comes from the ghetto. you're an idiot.
 
i forgot that every minority comes from the ghetto. you're an idiot.

No, not every minority comes from the ghetto, but the reality is that a large number of minorities do happen to come from such backgrounds as compared to their white counterparts. True, there are blacks and hispanics that come from more affluent backgrounds, but their numbers pale in comparison to non-minorities that come from the higher socioeconomic ranks of our society.
 
Wow, is this what America has to look forward to? I am a black male myself, and to be honest, have never lived in the ghetto or any other poverty struck environment, but my parents were not rich and they had not gone to college. In fact, because of my athletic abilities, my parents generally assumed I would get a basketball or volleyball scholarship, but that all changed when I developed heart problems. Luckily I got academic scholarships so, tuition was paid for, but if I didn't have the money, working 40 hours a week and taking on 16 credits a semester would have meant another drop out. Most URM don't have the money because their parents didn't have the money to go to college and their parents' parents didn't have the money and sure as hell their parents' parents' parents didnt have the money or were not allowed to recieve education, so for someone to come on this forum and blast URMs for getting a little assistance when paying for college after x amount of years of oppression and having to live in places like ghettos and slum neighborhorhoods is appalling.

I'm all about carrying your weight and quite frankly, I wish Affirmative action would go away period, because even with good intentions, it does nothing but make minorities look bad and give non-minorities a scapegoat when they have a problem because a a minority got a position over someone else. Maybe that person was more qualified than you, maybe they gave a little extra at the interview, you never know, but don't go around demeaning a group of people because the government has it screwed up.

And Passion4sci those comments were uncalled for by the way. How dare you slander minorities like that! Extremely unprofessional and juvenile. my gpa may not be 3.85 with a 90 PCAT but I know I'm compotent, and very skilled and never in a day in my life have I EVER blamed my poor grades on "being black and held down by the man". I've been working my butt off in the lab, got a paper out and working on a second, so no laziness here. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and not call you a RACIST and say that you are inexperienced with and ignorant to URM. Like my mother always says, you never know until the shoe is on the other foot.
 
No, not every minority comes from the ghetto, but the reality is that a large number of minorities do happen to come from such backgrounds as compared to their white counterparts. True, there are blacks and hispanics that come from more affluent backgrounds, but their numbers pale in comparison to non-minorities that come from the higher socioeconomic ranks of our society.

Perhaps this is true, but I know plenty of Asians, me being one of them, whose parents do not speak English, work long labor intensive jobs and have lived in areas that were economically depressed, yet we receive no special treatment during the admissions process and sometimes are discriminated against. I think it's really unfair.
 
No, not every minority comes from the ghetto, but the reality is that a large number of minorities do happen to come from such backgrounds as compared to their white counterparts. True, there are blacks and hispanics that come from more affluent backgrounds, but their numbers pale in comparison to non-minorities that come from the higher socioeconomic ranks of our society.

Very true! I was the only black kid in my neighborhood for a long time, and even them my parents were barely keeping up to afford that house. And the worse part about it was that even when I went to school, although there were other blacks, hispanics and asians there, it was pretty clear that they lived in homes not as "well off " as ours.
 
Perhaps this is true, but I know plenty of Asians, me being one of them, whose parents do not speak English, work long labor intensive jobs and have lived in areas that were economically depressed, yet we receive no special treatment during the admissions process and sometimes are discriminated against. I think it's really discriminatory.

I never understood that. My best friend is Korean and she was never able to receive financial aid, even though she is a minority, but as she was explaining it to me, the general consensus the government has agreed upon ignorantly says that "Asian Americans are intelligent enough and don't need the money to stimulate them into receiving higher education", basically admitting that part of the reason why this whole thing was started was to increase URM matriculation in colleges, and universities. However, as I said before, while with good intentions, this methedology is flawed.
 
I never understood that. My best friend is Korean and she was never able to receive financial aid, even though she is a minority, but as she was explaining it to me, the general consensus the government has agreed upon ignorantly says that "Asian Americans are intelligent enough and don't need the money to stimulate them into receiving higher education", basically admitting that part of the reason why this whole thing was started was to increase URM matriculation in colleges, and universities. However, as I said before, while with good intentions, this methedology is flawed.


I second this. The rich wants to get richer and the poor will get poorer. That's the only thing that sucks about our national policy.
 
I find all of these comments against underrepresented minorities highly offensive and unproductive. Pharmacy is a profession that requires one to work with and understand minorities. I don't understand, if someone is against minorities and thinks they have a leg up (that's laughable), then why are you going into the healthcare profession? I would like to see how you handle every day life growing up with people trying to beat you up and constantly disparaging you with racist comments because you look different. I can tell you this, I am African American and have never gotten a free ride. I have had to work twice as hard as anyone else. This thread has gone off topic and I find it irrevocably offensive.👎
 
Yeah, affirmative action programs are inherently discriminatory. Now, make the distinction between a "comprehensive review" (which takes into account EVERYTHING) vs. a straight "affirmative action" program that just gives you freebie adcom points for being X or Y ethnicity.
 
Perhaps I missed it because I am very sick today, but I did not see any racist comments. I think the URM question was asked because MSRA Sucks (logically) saw that the OP was an extremely weak candidate but had somehow (but not really) gotten accepted into multiple schools. With the ******* policies that are in place today it wasn't a real stretch.

From now on, I think we should quit assuming things about people we don't know on the internet (This has been done by people on both sides of the argument).
 
I can tell you this, I am African American and have never gotten a free ride. I have had to work twice as hard as anyone else.

Isn't that a bit unfair of a statement? Pretty much everyone had sometype of diffculty in their lives. Asians have to meet and overcome the stereotypes "good at math/sci but not so much at english" and also the expectations of parents who overcame immigrating to the United States from a war-torn country with next to nothing. Many of these kids were given next to nothing while growing up, but were able to succeed through hard work and determination.
Caucasians are having to overcome reverse discrimination in order to get into schools, so their standards are set a bit higher. They obviously dont think this is fair, but thats how the rules are currently set. If they want to get into a school they have no choice but to work through that obstacle.
 
I really don't care for your right-wing diatribe concerning minorities....obviously you are nothing more than some whiny little prick who has had no real experience with those coming from different backgrounds (i.e. minorities). Someone should really throw your ass in a ghetto for a week and then you come tell me that you've had it just as hard. Furthermore, I find the fact that you're automatic assumption that this person with the low GPA is a minority highly offensive and blatantly racist. You are probably the kind of prick that the minute you see a black or mexican walk down the street, you cross the street to avoid them, who believes that all brown/black minorities better service the country as janitors or servers at Taco Bell, and cringe when you go to the doctor and find out **gasp** Dr. Johnston is a minority.

Wow, "prick" huh? My comments cut you really deep, didn't they?

First of all, if you'd read what I said, you'd know that I grew up in a terrible environment. I was forthright about that. I grew up alongside folks of all walks of life, and I harbor no ill-will toward anyone that looks different than me, talks different than me, walks differently, or practices a different religion. Absolutely zero, zip.

What I have an issue with is someone I grew up with getting a slot in a pharmacy program based on the fact that he or she is a URM, not based on the fact of merit.

For example, I grew up with a kid named Miguel. I would consider us best friends, although when I went to Stanford he stayed in the area and went to CSU Sacramento. Assuming we applied to the same Pharmacy school right now, despite me always having better grades, despite me always working when he'd go out partying, despite me putting forth my best efforts and coming prepared with a 3.73 cumulative 3.85 sci gpa, he might get the nod over me with a more modest 3.2 or 3.1, or even worse, based on the fact that he is a URM.

Does that mean I dislike Hispanics, or "cross the street" when they're coming? Does that mean I'd be "shocked" to see that Dr. Johnston is not white? of course not, and to extrapolate that from what I wrote borders on irrationality. Clearly you got worked up from my post, and your reply was based in emotional response, not in logic. That's understandable as this topic is quite charged.

Was I harsh about my line on working less hard, having more "play" time if I was a URM? No, I don't think so. Why do I not think so? Because for every "hard working" URM that has to go to work AND school (please, as if I don't work 30 hours a week and still maintain a 3.8????? Okay.) there are 10, 20, or more who use their URM status knowingly to relax and use it as a shield. I know these people personally, and if you think this doesn't occur, you're living in a fantasy land.

To say things like Gator did, where URMs are possibly working to support a family and going to school I respond with "Isn't everyone else?" I mean, c'mon now, is it fair to assume every white guy has mom and dad bankrolling his education equally fairly as is assuming every URM lives in the ghetto, works 60 hours a week in the field and still somehow puts in enough school-time to get a 3.0 and deserves a slot in Pharm. school because of that?

It's not fair. Nothing in life is fair, I get that. Believe me, after spending a combined 30 months in Iraq and Afghanistian, I can totally relate. I grew up in the poorest part of Sacramento. Gangs, drugs, you name it, it was there.

I pulled myself out of that cycle of nonsense, and I didn't do that BECAUSE I WAS WHITE, nor did I get any accolade for doing so. However, my bff Miguel gets complimented and congratulated on a nearly daily basis for "escaping the horrible ghetto in which he grew up" and how he was able to avoid drugs.

To me, this is offensive to MIGUEL. Why? It's assuming every URM, every "mexican like him", is automatically predisposed to gang involvement or drug abuse. Please, this is nonsense.

URMs deserve no more special treatment than I do for doing what I have done in my life.

As white people, as the "majority" (Which is changing...), we see everything with our white lens of privilege, this is true. I won't dispute that, when I am trying to get a job, the fact that I'm white might be of benefit to me over an equally-qualified minority just because he's a minority. I'm not blind to that fact, but I don't think the answer is letting URMs into professional schools (ANd graduate schools alike) in an effort to even that disparity out.

And for anyone out there thinking "Oh, he has no idea what it's like being around minorities" - Stop thinking that. There is no one more diverse place on this PLANET than the United States armed forces. Nowhere. I was bunked in Basic Training with guys from Harlem all the way to Anchorage. In Iraq, I fought alongside women from the self-labeled "pit of hell" and I fought alongside privileged "preppy white boys" from Palos Verdes or the Hamptons getting some life experience.

Bottom line - Letting someone with inferior credentials into a program that is exclusive is ludicrous, and it creates a system of rewarding poor performance. For whatever reason, if a person performs poorly, he or she should NOT be rewarded, in any way.

But again, this country loves to reward poor decision-making, so I supose it's no surprise.

BUT WAIT!!! You cry out to me. Minorities don't know how to make good decisions, because they have a hard life growing up, and their parents are probably migrant workers and don't know anything about college! This is a common complaint for people like me against "affirmative action." To this, I point at people like myself, a "WASP", who grew up in the VERY SAME red-lined "GHETTO" that "URMs" grow up in, yet I receive zero compensation for it. What's the deal?
 
Isn't that a bit unfair of a statement? Pretty much everyone had sometype of diffculty in their lives. Asians have to meet and overcome the stereotypes "good at math/sci but not so much at english" and also the expectations of parents who overcame immigrating to the United States from a war-torn country with next to nothing. Many of these kids were given next to nothing while growing up, but were able to succeed through hard work and determination.
Caucasians are having to overcome reverse discrimination in order to get into schools, so their standards are set a bit higher. They obviously dont think this is fair, but thats how the rules are currently set. If they want to get into a school they have no choice but to work through that obstacle.

The thing is that even if affirmative action was eliminated, it would not affect Caucasians as significantly as it would Asians. In a comprehensive study of affirmative action by Princeton faculty, researchers found that if affirmative action was eliminated the enrollment of black and hispanic students at elite colleges would decrease 2/3s (9% enrollment to 3%) and 1/2 (8 percent enrollment to 4) respectively, the white enrollment rate would would stay constant (within 1% of the previous number) while asians would jump from 24% enrollment to 32%. So basically, affirmative action, currently pits one minority group (the smallest one at that) against the others while keeping the majority group the same. This is the greatest form of discrimination. This is how the majority kept power in the past when they would pit one minority group against the other (for example when slave owners used to create a power hierarchy on the plantation based on the darkness of the slave's skin color), this takes the heat off of their backs at the cost of the oppressed.

Here is the article describing the research.

http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2005/06/07/affirm
 
Yea it is ridiculous. I think the OP must be a troll.

I definitely hope the OP is not trolling because it would be rather insensitive and immature to do so. I'm sure there are people who read these posts for inspiration and guidance but if the OP is a troll, it defeats the whole purpose of it. Not to be callous but I'm acceding to the notion that you (OP) are a troll because 1) you're spelling and grammar are erroneous and 2) you seem to change the topic when someone ask you about your acceptances. Again, I hope you are not trolling on this issue.
 
Hmm... kind of weird how posts can change topics so drastically...

I've grown up in all sorts of places across the United States. My dad for the most part is part of the upper middle class; my mom has been part of the lower middle class or poor. I feel I've benefited from my dad's income class, but I've gone through the difficulties of not having money as well when I've lived with my mom.

Personally, I think we should be more concerned of helping those of the lower classes, regardless of their skin color. If your family doesn't have a lot of money, your options will be much more limited than those of higher classes.
 
The thing is that even if affirmative action was eliminated, it would not affect Caucasians as significantly as it would Asians. In a comprehensive study of affirmative action by Princeton faculty, researchers found that if affirmative action was eliminated the enrollment of black and hispanic students at elite colleges would decrease 2/3s (9% enrollment to 3%) and 1/2 (8 percent enrollment to 4) respectively, the white enrollment rate would would stay constant (within 1% of the previous number) while asians would jump from 24% enrollment to 32%. So basically, affirmative action, currently pits one minority group (the smallest one at that) against the others while keeping the majority group the same. This is the greatest form of discrimination. This is how the majority kept power in the past when they would pit one minority group against the other (for example when slave owners used to create a power hierarchy on the plantation based on the darkness of the slave's skin color), this takes the heat off of their backs at the cost of the oppressed.

Here is the article describing the research.

http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2005/06/07/affirm


It may or it may not be. While applying to one pharmacy school, the supplemental application went like this "Are you Hispanic or of Hispanic Descent? (yes/no) If not...What Nationality are you?" It may not be AA, but it seems pretty odd.

My argument for caucasians is stretching it, but what I was trying to imply was no matter what race you are, you are going to have difficulties to encounter. Its up to you as an individual to get through these. Life isn't fair and its not going to change.. At the end of the day, you are responsible for your decisions. Rather than wasting time placing blame on others, its better to focus on your goals.
 
It may or it may not be. While applying to one pharmacy school, the supplemental application went like this "Are you Hispanic or of Hispanic Descent? (yes/no) If not...What Nationality are you?" It may not be AA, but it seems pretty odd.

My argument for caucasians is stretching it, but what I was trying to imply was no matter what race you are, you are going to have difficulties to encounter. Its up to you as an individual to get through these. Life isn't fair and its not going to change.. At the end of the day, you are responsible for your decisions. Rather than wasting time placing blame on others, its better to focus on your goals.

Your last sentence is spot-on.

Affirmative action, while it does have underpinnings of good intentions, only helps to breed a generation of people looking for handouts, just like "welfare" did through the 80s when it was more profitable to not have your husband around, raise children on your own, and live on the public's dime.
 
Sigh, I'm sorry to have sparked such heated debate. However, it is an important issue.

This is my opinion of the issue:

I often talk with people who are mad at situations where an African American student who lives in the OC and drives an Acura got into UCSF or another highly selective public school with subpar stats. I understand the outrage because if you are Asian or white, you probably won't be able to get into a school like UCSF if you don't have at least a 3.6+.

However, I believe that there is HUGE disparity in not only the type of acceptances, but also the applicant pool in terms of ethnicity. If you look at the pharmacy/med class at UCSD or UCSF the students are mainly white and Asian. This is a problem. The University of California, which is a PUBLIC institution and represents higher education in our great state, should have a student population that actually looks like the people of California. We are FAR from an equilibrium where every ethnicity is represented equally.

Now back to the example of the African American who lives in the OC and had many opportunities in her life:

Was it necessarily fair that she got in rather than the Asian who grew up poor but worked hard and had good grades? Perhaps not. BUT the hope is that it will inspire many younger African Americans to strive to become doctors or pharmacists so in the future, we can gauge an African American or Hispanic equally with an Asian or Caucasian in terms of academic success. Of course, this alone cannot fix this problem but it is ONE step. There needs to be new policies that increase better educational opportunities for URM in poor neighborhoods.

One good example is Barack Obama. Lets face it, although his family was poor when he was little, he did not exactly face obstacles that a typical black teenager has to face in the U.S. I mean comon, he grew up in Honolulu and went to top-notch private schools. (Occidental & Columbia) But the thing is, he will inspire many minorities to run for President in the future.

Look, this is a very controversial issue obviously. Everyone has to realize that life is not ideal and these mechanisms are in place to reach an IDEAL situation where we can gauge an URM with an Asian or Caucasian equally in terms of academic success in the future. Right now, we are caught up in that strive for idealness.
 
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