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[WildZoo]

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Or she's lying about not using her ability last night

 

[DVMDream]

I know people have toothed and were not injured

Toothed....

 

[WildZoo]

DANG IT WZ, I finally had a smart thought and you ninja'd me.

I should have left to take a shower like an hour ago but I want to figure this mess out!

 

[Gwenevre]

Also, why did you add to the Hmoo lynch and not speak up when we were openly speculating that she must have been the one who tithed a blocking ability N3?

So new theory - if Gwen is the head bonking blocker, which she seems to be, when she tithed N1 it was received by someone in Tillek N2, and that person hit kata. But still doesn't explain how there were 3 bonks last night if she didn't use her ability.

^^ That's why. I sincerely don't think I'm the head boinking blocker. At the very least, I don't want to be the head boinking blocker. There's nothing in my role PM to suggest that my blocks are harmful.

 

[WildZoo]

So we do have 3 blockers then? Maybe? Or a lying gwen? I'm getting a headache.

 

[Abnerrs]

Toothed....

Hahaha I didn't even notice

 

[Gwenevre]

I shared my role with my hold, so they can help decide if I am or am not a head boinker.

 

[PrincessButterCup]

So it appears all of Tillek was injured by thread, yes? @PrincessButterCup

I thought I mentioned it here, but I must have just posted in my hold thread. I was injured by thread last night. This is the result I got from Trilt, feel free to compare it to your own:

As thread rained down from the sky you belatedly realized that your hold wasn't fully covered! You raced toward the hold doors, barely managing to outrun thread. Unfortunately as you darted inside you felt a hot burning thread run down your back! You quickly escaped, but you are injured.

Lynch PrincessButterCup - though I am really sure that I hate that, because I like the player.

Aw, you warm my heart.

AM defended herself day 1 or 2 and at least at that time, I have her as likely village.

AM came on last minute and basically said she was important, and that she can communicate with someone. I find Lupin's ardent support of her strange, considering the somewhat lackluster play by AM.

And then this . Why is AM's word such solid gold here?

@Animal Midwife , if you were to pick someone more wolfy out of @PrincessButterCup or @hazelmoo ; which one is more likely?

We want to be RIGHT if we lynch AM. Her claim is that she has a role that can communicate, which I think means the potential to be a dragon or rider.

I want PBC to defend herself. Her posts haven't been wolfy, but they haven't been deeply villagey either. And she tried to get AM lynched.

I was looking at the injuries as an attack, rather than a block though. If I'm just trying to lynch someone in that Hold for blocking, that could be a villager.

Hold on there, Nelly. I was following the reasoning that someone in my hold was wolfy and knew I wasn't tithing the night my ability was targeted. Of the people in my hold, I stated that I was least sure of AM due to her lack of contribution (and also stated that I knew that reasoning was weak). I never tried to get her lynch. I wasn't gunning for her. I voted for her, and stated my weak feels. That was it. And I haven't gunned for her since then, either.

For easy reference, my posts about AM:

Lynch AM

Of the people in my hold and the interactions we've had in our pm thread, I think AM would be most likely to be a wolf. I'll put my vote there.

Mostly her lack of involvement in our hold (realizing the valid points made earlier about silence =\= wolfy). I'm more inclined to trust those groupmates that have tithed, contributed information, and been involved with our discussion. We've had complete radio silence from AM.

Sorry guys, I was at work helping with an euth and I wasn't around to see the lynch go crazy.

My AM vote was based on really, really light feels - if we're looking for a wolf in my hold, she was the person who seemed the most promising. That's not really saying much. It's also possible there is no wolf in my group and the ability thief counted on the 1/6 chance of stealing from someone who wasn't tithing. I'm not totally convinced by her reply on the thread - she's played enough games to not pull the 'I'm so confused!' card. Her potential role sounds likely, so I think it's worth keeping her around and not voting her way tomorrow.

You've pretty much hit the head on the nail with these deductions. (I'm terrible with a theme I don't fully understand.)

I feel that PBC is more sketchy out of the two (especially her tithing deductions in our Hold). I don't want to start a bandwagon, but I also don't want to vote at the last minute.

Lynch PBC

No, I haven't tithed in my hold. Night 1 Jil and I were the only ones to check in, and no one volunteered. Deva volunteered N2, but used the thread shutters and it wasn't received. HMoo volunteered the next night. AM volunteered but phrased it "I can tithe if you guys want" and never officially put her name in, so no one tithed last night (unless the mods counted that and she received some sort of conformation for her tithe, which I am not aware of). I have not deducted tithes from my hold (whatever the heck AM meant by that).

I was referring to how she decided if tithes were related to injuries in ~30 min.

Are you referring to this post?

I haven't tithed yet, and I was injured last night. Was anyone injured who has tithed?

This was from this morning, when I was trying to figure out if there was a pattern to who was injured last night. Isn't that what we all were doing? (By the way, that post was from exactly 11:34 am PT.

*edit to get rid of weird white spaces

 

[Kam325]

We also can't forget that someone in Gwen's hold who claimed to be tithing must have privately reneged. She's tithed 2 of 4 nights. Who was supposed to tithe the other 2?

 

[PrincessButterCup]

That ended up being much longer than I thought it would be. Sorry for the spam.

 

[WildZoo]

Fort Hold
dyachei
Gwenevre
vetmedhead
BeautifulBritishColumbia
Flim Flam Man
SummerTheLynx

Original Fort Hold, for reference

 

[Lupin21]

I thought I mentioned it here, but I must have just posted in my hold thread. I was injured by thread last night. This is the result I got from Trilt, feel free to compare it to your own:





Aw, you warm my heart.



AM came on last minute and basically said she was important, and that she can communicate with someone. I find Lupin's ardent support of her strange, considering the somewhat lackluster play by AM.

And then this . Why is AM's word such solid gold here?

I have my reasons for asking what I do. haha

So were you unable to perform an action due to the thread hitting you?

 

[PrincessButterCup]

No, I successfully performed my action last night. I have no idea how injury will affect me tonight, though.

 

[Kam325]

Lupes my spreadsheet is pretty much gone with the wind, you have a list handy of everyone hit by threadfall?

 

[Lupin21]

Lupes my spreadsheet is pretty much gone with the wind, you have a list handy of everyone hit by threadfall?

yup:

Promo
DVMD
gwen
PBC
kata
AM

 

[vetmedhead]

I actually have a potato theory, that it was only people who tithed that got injured from the threadfall. Because out of my group, the only one that is actively talking in the hold that is is VMH. She hasn't tithed, and she escaped the thread unscathed. Other groups have claimed that they have tithed religiously, and yet were still harmed when thread fell. I know it's crazy, but.. what if?

Meaning that myself, BBC, and STL have all tithed. BBC and myself have gotten injured. VMH has not. STL is doing lord knows what. And I can't remember if FFM said yes or no to injury.

For reference, FFM has stated he was not injured.

Also, the person meant to tithe the other nights was BBC (and STL tithed last night). I haven't tithed, mainly because I have no way of knowing whether tithes are going to wolves or not and I don't like that risk.

 

[Filly Bay]

I actually have a potato theory, that it was only people who tithed that got injured from the threadfall. Because out of my group, the only one that is actively talking in the hold that is is VMH. She hasn't tithed, and she escaped the thread unscathed. Other groups have claimed that they have tithed religiously, and yet were still harmed when thread fell. I know it's crazy, but.. what if?

This didn't hold true for my hold. Heh. Hold.

 

[Gwenevre]

Reading back through, there still isn't a definitive answer to who injured Kata the night Deva used the shutters. Egg-breaking time? contingency lynch PBC

 

[Promethean]

Wait? Why does anyone think that tithes were not done in Gwen's Hold?

We know that tithes were missed in some Holds. If they are being distributed, it may be that missing the tithes in some Holds results in damage in other Holds that did tithe, because the total is still less than it needed to be.

It is clear that the abilities are being scrambled and redistributed.

I don't think they go to wolves.

 

[vetmedhead]

Wait? Why does anyone think that tithes were not done in Gwen's Hold?

We know that tithes were missed in some Holds. If they are being distributed, it may be that missing the tithes in some Holds results in damage in other Holds that did tithe, because the total is still less than it needed to be.

It is clear that the abilities are being scrambled and redistributed.

I don't think they go to wolves.

I wasn't concerned so much that they go to the wolves, moreso that there could be a wolf in the group of players who receive tithes. Does that make sense? I feel like I'm wording it poorly.

 

[WildZoo]

Wait? Why does anyone think that tithes were not done in Gwen's Hold?

We know that tithes were missed in some Holds. If they are being distributed, it may be that missing the tithes in some Holds results in damage in other Holds that did tithe, because the total is still less than it needed to be.

It is clear that the abilities are being scrambled and redistributed.

I don't think they go to wolves.

The theory was that the holds that tithed every night had no injuries, whereas those that missed nights did. Gwen's is the only hold that claimed to tithe every night and yet still had injuries.

 

[WildZoo]

(I think)

 

[Abnerrs]

The theory was that the holds that tithed every night had no injuries, whereas those that missed nights did. Gwen's is the only hold that claimed to tithe every night and yet still had injuries.

We tithed every might but had 2 deaths. But they didn't sound thread related to me

 

[vetmedhead]

We tithed every might but had 2 deaths. But they didn't sound thread related to me

Yeah, it definitely sounds like thread caused injuries but not deaths (yet ) so I think the deaths in your group were probably unrelated.

 

[Promethean]

I wonder if the total number of thread injured correlates with the total number of nights of tithing missed?

 

[Lupin21]

We tithed every might but had 2 deaths. But they didn't sound thread related to me

smothered and skull fracture are definitely not thread deaths.

 

[Filly Bay]

I wonder if the total number of thread injured correlates with the total number of nights of tithing missed?

Hmm.. That would make sense for Tillek (no tithe n1 or n4 and it failed N2 d/t shutters so 3 nights and 3 people). Our group (Ruatha) had 2 thread injuries I think (You and DVMD?) which means 1 person withdrew their tithe. Fort hold had 1 thread injury, so 1 person withdrew. Interesting theory to consider.

 

[vetmedhead]

smothered and skull fracture are definitely not thread deaths.

Now I'm imagining the thread smothering somebody 😆

 

[vetmedhead]

Hmm.. That would make sense for Tillek (no tithe n1 or n4 and it failed N2 d/t shutters so 3 nights and 3 people). Our group (Ruatha) had 2 thread injuries I think (You and DVMD?) which means 1 person withdrew their tithe. Fort hold had 1 thread injury, so 1 person withdrew. Interesting theory to consider.

Fort Hold had two thread injuries.

 

[Filly Bay]

Fort Hold had two thread injuries.

Gwen and who else?

 

[vetmedhead]

Gwen and who else?

BBC

 

[LetItSnow]

How do you know another player didn't make it happen?

Regardless, the mod either caused it or allowed it.

 

[Filly Bay]

BBC

BBC was one of the wacked/blocked injuries. We were talking about thread injuries.

I was injured last night by someone with blunt objects and large rocks.

I also had my ability stolen.




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[Filly Bay]

Which reminds me, since Hmoo was a villager then that means we have 4 people last night claiming to be wacked/bonked/blocked/injured last night. Hmoo, Res Mike, BBC, and Wz. That makes me think there are two blockers as well. Hmoo didn't mention bonking, just injured/blocked. I still don't get how the bonker isn't gwen though since she tithed and the tither was boosted and we have 3 bonked people.

 

[vetmedhead]

BBC was one of the wacked/blocked injuries. We were talking about thread injuries.

They posted this in our hold PM:

Mods updated my night description and changed my injury from "blunt objects and sharp rocks" to a Thread-related burn injury.

 

[TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo]

BBC was one of the wacked/blocked injuries. We were talking about thread injuries.

The mods edited my night results after I posted that on the thread. Mine was indeed a thread injury after all. I posted it in my hold but hadn't gotten around to posting it on here yet


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[Filly Bay]

The mods edited my night results after I posted that on the thread. Mine was indeed a thread injury after all. I posted it in my hold but hadn't gotten around to posting it on here yet


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Well thanks for clarifying. That gives me a little less of a headache now. 🙂

 

[TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo]

Well thanks for clarifying. That gives me a little less of a headache now. 🙂

Lol yeah no need to make this mess of results even messier


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[Trilt]

I have like... half the actions, and would realllyyy love to be able to do most of the work this evening. Please get things in as soon as you can if possible. 🙂

 

[Kam325]

Question for those keeping better notes. Is the only thing keeping Deva from being considered for the person who injured Kata the fact that she used the shutters? Not sure I see that as a definitively villager move. Shuttering could also protect a wolf inside Tillek from any investigative actions from outside the group, and protect other groups' wolves from the effects of any seers/trackers/blockers/protectors within Tillek. I think some were assuming the ability thief was a wolf and thus the shuttering blocked a wolf action, but I think it's as likely the thief is a villager or chaos. Unless I missed a vouch elsewhere, I'm not sure why Deva seems to be off the table.

 

[PrincessButterCup]

Question for those keeping better notes. Is the only thing keeping Deva from being considered for the person who injured Kata the fact that she used the shutters? Not sure I see that as a definitively villager move. Shuttering could also protect a wolf inside Tillek from any investigative actions from outside the group, and protect other groups' wolves from the effects of any seers/trackers/blockers/protectors within Tillek. I think some were assuming the ability thief was a wolf and thus the shuttering blocked a wolf action, but I think it's as likely the thief is a villager or chaos. Unless I missed a vouch elsewhere, I'm not sure why Deva seems to be off the table.

Yes, that's the only reason I know of.

 

[Filly Bay]

Question for those keeping better notes. Is the only thing keeping Deva from being considered for the person who injured Kata the fact that she used the shutters? Not sure I see that as a definitively villager move. Shuttering could also protect a wolf inside Tillek from any investigative actions from outside the group, and protect other groups' wolves from the effects of any seers/trackers/blockers/protectors within Tillek. I think some were assuming the ability thief was a wolf and thus the shuttering blocked a wolf action, but I think it's as likely the thief is a villager or chaos. Unless I missed a vouch elsewhere, I'm not sure why Deva seems to be off the table.

And she supposedly attempted to tithe her ability that night. Though, no way of knowing if she withdrew it or not

 

[Kam325]

Okay, spending way too much time on this, welcome to my sleep-deprived brain.

Analysis below rests on a couple of assumptions that need to be clarified.

The assumptions:
1.) Kata's injury was the same 'head bash' block that was used on WZ, RM, and Hmoo. @katashark, can you confirm whether or not you were knocked unconscious?
2.) Everyone who says they were injured by threadfall was actually injured by threadfall (Promo, DVMD, Gwen, PBC, Kata, AM, BBC).
3.) Tithing and injury consequences are hold specific. So the number of times a hold skips a tithe equals the number of players injured within that hold.

Scenario A: Gwen is the Bopper

We know that Fort Hold tithed in this order:
N1-Gwen
N2-BBC
N3-Gwen
N4-STL

And these people were bopped at some point during the game:
N2-Kata
N4-WZ, RM, Hmoo

If Gwen was the bopper, she tithed N1 as she claims, and N2 someone in Tillek received the tithe and used it to bop Kata. No one else claimed an injury N2, so Gwen did indeed forget to use her ability as she claims. Then Gwen tithed again N3. N4 -redacted- received the tithe as well as a boost and used it to bop WZ and RM. Only Gwen, who would have her ability back by N4, could have bopped Hmoo.

But for this scenario to fit, Gwen had to have actually tithed when she claimed she did. With 2 Fort Hold players injured by threadfall, that would mean both STL and BBC would have had to privately withdraw their tithes, or if Gwen was lying about her injury, one of the two. @SummerTheLynx @BeautifulBritishColumbia

Scenario B: Gwen is not the bopper, someone else is.

Since -redacted- received the bop tithe on N3 (to use on N4), the bopper tithed N3. The only person within Tillek to tithe N3 was Hmoo---dead and confirmed not the bopper. That means the bopper must be outside of Tillek. For the bop to get to someone inside Tillek to use on Kata N2, it must have also been tithed on N1. So the bopper must have tithed both N1 and N3.

Tillek Hold: Hmoo tithed N3 and is dead. Bopper can't be in Tillek.
Telgar Hold: Different people tithed on N1 and N3. Bopper can't be in Telgar.
Fort Hold: Gwen tithed on both N1 and N3.
Ruatha Hold: No one tithed N1, if I'm remembering right. If so, bopper can't be in Ruatha. @Filly Bay @ResoluteMike @Promethean @DVMDream
Southern Hold: Lupin stated that she and Sandy were alternating tithe nights. Sandy is dead. Sounds like it's possible Lupin tithed on N1 and N3. Can someone from Southern confirm? @SandstormDVM @Abney @Lupin21 @LetItSnow

So if I'm not just sleep deprived and missing something stupid (and the 3 assumptions I made aren't completely wrong), the only two choices for bopper are Gwen and Lupin.

 

[Kam325]

Okay, spending way too much time on this, welcome to my sleep-deprived brain.

Analysis below rests on a couple of assumptions that need to be clarified.

The assumptions:
1.) Kata's injury was the same 'head bash' block that was used on WZ, RM, and Hmoo. @katashark, can you confirm whether or not you were knocked unconscious?
2.) Everyone who says they were injured by threadfall was actually injured by threadfall (Promo, DVMD, Gwen, PBC, Kata, AM, BBC).
3.) Tithing and injury consequences are hold specific. So the number of times a hold skips a tithe equals the number of players injured within that hold.

Scenario A: Gwen is the Bopper

We know that Fort Hold tithed in this order:
N1-Gwen
N2-BBC
N3-Gwen
N4-STL

And these people were bopped at some point during the game:
N2-Kata
N4-WZ, RM, Hmoo

If Gwen was the bopper, she tithed N1 as she claims, and N2 someone in Tillek received the tithe and used it to bop Kata. No one else claimed an injury N2, so Gwen did indeed forget to use her ability as she claims. Then Gwen tithed again N3. N4 -redacted- received the tithe as well as a boost and used it to bop WZ and RM. Only Gwen, who would have her ability back by N4, could have bopped Hmoo.

But for this scenario to fit, Gwen had to have actually tithed when she claimed she did. With 2 Fort Hold players injured by threadfall, that would mean both STL and BBC would have had to privately withdraw their tithes.

Scenario B: Gwen is not the bopper, someone else is.

Since -redacted- received the bop tithe on N3 (to use on N4), the bopper tithed N3. The only person within Tillek to tithe N3 was Hmoo---dead and confirmed not the bopper. That means the bopper must be outside of Tillek. For the bop to get to someone inside Tillek to use on Kata N2, it must have also been tithed on N1. So the bopper must have tithed both N1 and N3.

Tillek Hold: Hmoo tithed N3 and is dead. Bopper can't be in Tillek.
Telgar Hold: Different people tithed on N1 and N3. Bopper can't be in Telgar.
Fort Hold: Gwen tithed on both N1 and N3.
Ruatha Hold: No one tithed N1, if I'm remembering right. If so, bopper can't be in Ruatha. @Filly Bay @ResoluteMike @Promethean @DVMDream
Southern Hold: Lupin stated that she and Sandy were alternating tithe nights. Sandy is dead. Sounds like it's possible Lupin tithed on N1 and N3. Can someone from Southern confirm? @SandstormDVM @Abney @Lupin21 @LetItSnow

So if I'm not just sleep deprived and missing something stupid (and the 3 assumptions I made aren't completely wrong), the only two choices for bopper are Gwen and Lupin.

This was formatted kind of weirdly. Important part is Scenario B as it actually includes all possible boppers. Scenario A just looks more closely at the Gwen option.

 

[Abnerrs]

Okay, spending way too much time on this, welcome to my sleep-deprived brain.

Analysis below rests on a couple of assumptions that need to be clarified.

The assumptions:
1.) Kata's injury was the same 'head bash' block that was used on WZ, RM, and Hmoo. @katashark, can you confirm whether or not you were knocked unconscious?
2.) Everyone who says they were injured by threadfall was actually injured by threadfall (Promo, DVMD, Gwen, PBC, Kata, AM, BBC).
3.) Tithing and injury consequences are hold specific. So the number of times a hold skips a tithe equals the number of players injured within that hold.

Scenario A: Gwen is the Bopper

We know that Fort Hold tithed in this order:
N1-Gwen
N2-BBC
N3-Gwen
N4-STL

And these people were bopped at some point during the game:
N2-Kata
N4-WZ, RM, Hmoo

If Gwen was the bopper, she tithed N1 as she claims, and N2 someone in Tillek received the tithe and used it to bop Kata. No one else claimed an injury N2, so Gwen did indeed forget to use her ability as she claims. Then Gwen tithed again N3. N4 -redacted- received the tithe as well as a boost and used it to bop WZ and RM. Only Gwen, who would have her ability back by N4, could have bopped Hmoo.

But for this scenario to fit, Gwen had to have actually tithed when she claimed she did. With 2 Fort Hold players injured by threadfall, that would mean both STL and BBC would have had to privately withdraw their tithes.

Scenario B: Gwen is not the bopper, someone else is.

Since -redacted- received the bop tithe on N3 (to use on N4), the bopper tithed N3. The only person within Tillek to tithe N3 was Hmoo---dead and confirmed not the bopper. That means the bopper must be outside of Tillek. For the bop to get to someone inside Tillek to use on Kata N2, it must have also been tithed on N1. So the bopper must have tithed both N1 and N3.

Tillek Hold: Hmoo tithed N3 and is dead. Bopper can't be in Tillek.
Telgar Hold: Different people tithed on N1 and N3. Bopper can't be in Telgar.
Fort Hold: Gwen tithed on both N1 and N3.
Ruatha Hold: No one tithed N1, if I'm remembering right. If so, bopper can't be in Ruatha. @Filly Bay @ResoluteMike @Promethean @DVMDream
Southern Hold: Lupin stated that she and Sandy were alternating tithe nights. Sandy is dead. Sounds like it's possible Lupin tithed on N1 and N3. Can someone from Southern confirm? @SandstormDVM @Abney @Lupin21 @LetItSnow

So if I'm not just sleep deprived and missing something stupid (and the 3 assumptions I made aren't completely wrong), the only two choices for bopper are Gwen and Lupin.

🤣Omg just reading this about the nefarious "bopper" tickled my funny bone. Yes you are correct for southern hold

 

[LetItSnow]

I can go back and get the hold tithing info if someone else doesn't, Kam, but I can't do it now. Sorry.

 

[Trilt]

 

[Lupin21]

This was formatted kind of weirdly. Important part is Scenario B as it actually includes all possible boppers. Scenario A just looks more closely at the Gwen option.

lol. I am not the mad bopper. I got a bit bogged down so might have missed a response to me at some point, but you do actually know my special talents. 🙂

 

[Kam325]

I think I've gotten Ruatha wrong. Can anyone find who tithed N1 and N3?

 

[Lupin21]

I think I've gotten Ruatha wrong. Can anyone find who tithed N1 and N3?

Looks like RM did N1 and they missed N3