Endodontists Income/Salary

[raider2027]

Hi All,

Could any practicing endodontists, endo residents or other professionals kindly share their income/salary as an endodontist? Please include your days working, hours, cases per day, state, years of experience and if you are traveling specialist, group practice/etc.....thank you so much !!

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[carabelliscusp]

Hi All,

Could any practicing endodontists, endo residents or other professionals kindly share their income/salary as an endodontist? Please include your days working, hours, cases per day, state, years of experience and if you are traveling specialist, group practice/etc.....thank you so much !!

Knew an endo and his books and schedule quite closely. FFS, 60 hours a week practice, solo practice, just outside major metro area, gross just under $1 million. 10 years service. Saw about 8 patients a day. Take home about 60%.

Very inefficient and self admitted “terrible business owner”

 

[FutureDent020]

Knew an endo and his books and schedule quite closely. FFS, 60 hours a week practice, solo practice, just outside major metro area, gross just under $1 million. 10 years service. Saw about 8 patients a day. Take home about 60%.

Very inefficient and self admitted “terrible business owner”

8 patients a day, FFS, 60 hour weeks AND ONLY grossed under $1 million?!? I can’t even understand how that’s possible. Unless fees were super low and over half those patients were consults only each day. But still, that doesn’t add up. Even 4 tx a day at FFS with a full week of work would put you over a million pretty easily.

 

[AONLINE]

I die inside when I see "60-hour work week." I don't think it's even physically possible for a dentist, especially an endodontist to work that much, your body will break down very soon. Is that 5 days of 12 hours/day, or 6 days of 10 hrs/day, or 7 days of 8.5 hrs/day?

 

[Thehighwind87]

8 patients a day, FFS, 60 hour weeks AND ONLY grossed under $1 million?!? I can’t even understand how that’s possible. Unless fees were super low and over half those patients were consults only each day. But still, that doesn’t add up. Even 4 tx a day at FFS with a full week of work would put you over a million pretty easily.

FFS is a unicorn.
I wouldn't based my expectations on FFS practice. If you have one- that's great- but it's nowhere near the norm.

My endodontist does 40 hours a week+, has to be open 5 days a week to accomodate GP referalls and toothaches. They do make great money though. Dunno what he's pulling in, but bought a porsche recenty. Although I do wonder sometimes- he does complain about student loans still. I guess debt is refinanced to 3% and hes just putting money away elsewhere while paying the minimum on the loans. Hope he doesn't end up as one of those older docs working hard because they spent to much money on the fancy toys.

 

[carabelliscusp]

8 patients a day, FFS, 60 hour weeks AND ONLY grossed under $1 million?!? I can’t even understand how that’s possible. Unless fees were super low and over half those patients were consults only each day. But still, that doesn’t add up. Even 4 tx a day at FFS with a full week of work would put you over a million pretty easily.

Would take like 3-4 appointments to finish RCT. also lot of consults and recalls.

 

[carabelliscusp]

I die inside when I see "60-hour work week." I don't think it's even physically possible for a dentist, especially an endodontist to work that much, your body will break down very soon. Is that 5 days of 12 hours/day, or 6 days of 10 hrs/day, or 7 days of 8.5 hrs/day?

Like 7-7 M-F basically. Idk I feel like endo is the least taxing.

 

[BooksBeforeLooks]

Work Tuesday-Friday 8am-4pm with 1hr+ lunch breaks. 100% FFS. I see 4-6pts a day (it comes in waves). Salary somewhere between $450-$550k. I’m an associate that finished residency 1 year ago. My boss (owner) sees around 7-8pts a day.

Absolutely love my job. Great office. Low stress. Biggest downside? My commute is 2hrs each way (moving not option at this point since husband is on-call and works at big hospital).

 

[yappy]

FFS is a unicorn.
I wouldn't based my expectations on FFS practice. If you have one- that's great- but it's nowhere near the norm.

It’s different for specialists. Usually, pt benefits are maxed out by their routine care anyways. I have some specialists that are out of network with pretty much everyone and do well. Many patients will call around for the cheapest deal, but geography and availability count too.

 

[FutureDent020]

It’s different for specialists. Usually, pt benefits are maxed out by their routine care anyways. I have some specialists that are out of network with pretty much everyone and do well. Many patients will call around for the cheapest deal, but geography and availability count too.

That’s how most of the Endo’s are where I am. OON with everyone. We are IN with Cigna, Delta, Aetna. And have to write off about 30%. And the in network patients are usually the ones who complain most about co-pay and any amount they have to pay.

I work M-TH 730-4 no lunch. I always end up going to 5 though because we either work someone in or I am finishing up notes. Friday 730-12. So ends up being close to a 50 hour work weeks sometimes. See 6 treatments (some of those completions) with several consults. 3rd year in and I’m at a little over $500K. Not sure how long I can or want to keep this pace up though. But maybe I’ll build up some stamina.

 

[Furman11]

What is an average percentage of production or collections to receive as an associate?

 

[FutureDent020]

What is an average percentage of production or collections to receive as an associate?

40-50% of collections. Some less desirable areas will make that a percentage of adjusted production.

 

[Furman11]

40-50% of collections. Some less desirable areas will make that a percentage of adjusted production.

Thank you!

 

[PerioDont]

Work Tuesday-Friday 8am-4pm with 1hr+ lunch breaks. 100% FFS. I see 4-6pts a day (it comes in waves). Salary somewhere between $450-$550k. I’m an associate that finished residency 1 year ago. My boss (owner) sees around 7-8pts a day.

Absolutely love my job. Great office. Low stress. Biggest downside? My commute is 2hrs each way (moving not option at this point since husband is on-call and works at big hospital).

so you are in PP? what's the situation for assistants? do you have your own microscope and CBCT in the office?

 

[BooksBeforeLooks]

Private practice. 4 rooms fitted with zeiss microscopes. 2 rooms for consults. Just me (the associate) and my boss (owner). Single location. Both of us work 4 days. Have CBCT. Office was completely remodeled about 5 years ago. We have 3 assistants, 2 front desk staff and 1 floater (works part time front desk/half time assisting).

 

[endoaccess]

Associate range I’ve seen: 250k to 1.25mm

Solo owner range I’ve seen: decent to incredible

The previous replies are pretty typical associate scenarios. Like all of dentistry, if you leave the popular areas it gets much more lucrative.

 

[Furman11]

What's considered decent?

 

[endoaccess]

What's considered decent?

A lower end established endo practice might have income comparable to a gp owner.

Opening an endo office in the wrong market is easy to fail if you can’t gain referrals. It’s all about referrals; the patients aren’t trained to return every 6mo like in a gp office.

 

[Furman11]

Would anyone be willing to shed light on the good and bad markets for endo offices? I've done a lot of research on gp but am having a hard time finding good info for endo specifically or where to start looking. TIA

 

[PerioDont]

Would anyone be willing to shed light on the good and bad markets for endo offices? I've done a lot of research on gp but am having a hard time finding good info for endo specifically or where to start looking. TIA

call the GP's in the area you are looking. ask how long it takes them to get a pt in to see endo. that'll show you the demand in the area

 

[dizzle23x]

I’m an owner less than 5 years out. 4 days and 32 hours a week. I have an associate and together we do about 200-250k/month. 5-6 cases/day. Very chill. Personal take home is about 1.2MM.

 

[Furman11]

I’m an owner less than 5 years out. 4 days and 32 hours a week. I have an associate and together we do about 200-250k/month. 5-6 cases/day. Very chill. Personal take home is about 1.2MM.

Are you willing to share or PM where you're located and what percentage your overhead is? That's great!

 

[dizzle23x]

Are you willing to share or PM where you're located and what percentage your overhead is? That's great!

Overhead hovers around 30%. Not going to go into location details but I will say that I’m not rural and to go where you are needed.

 

[Furman11]

Overhead hovers around 30%. Not going to go into location details but I will say that I’m not rural and to go where you are needed.

That's still very helpful, thank you so much!

 

[FutureDent020]

I have an associate and together we do about 200-250k/month. 5-6 cases/day. Very chill. Personal take home is about 1.2MM.

200K-250K/month production or collections? You’re doing a nice job with overhead. Especially in a world where salary demands are rising and expenses are increasing. These numbers make sense though and aren’t anything crazy for an endo that owns. The key here is an associate that’s making you money on top of a low overhead. Makes me really think twice about moving to ownership. Nice job.

 

[dizzle23x]

200K-250K/month production or collections? You’re doing a nice job with overhead. Especially in a world where salary demands are rising and expenses are increasing. These numbers make sense though and aren’t anything crazy for an endo that owns. The key here is an associate that’s making you money on top of a low overhead. Makes me really think twice about moving to ownership. Nice job.

Appreciate it! I’ve been fortunate and it has exceeded my expectations. Best career decision was jump into ownership, hands down. Write offs are <5% so production and collections are relatively equal.

 

[Logs]

I've been an endo associate with over 3 years now. 42% collections. I work 3/days a week and average about 8 completions a day. The pay is great but marketing is the biggest challenge. Some GPs are really fickle and don't have much loyalty to you and will easily start referring to other offices in a heartbeat while others you develop great bonds of trust. If you work in an area with other endo offices close by (30mins drive or less away) your going to see these kinds of things and that is where a lot of the stress comes from. I love being an associated because I cant handle the business' side and the hiring/firing and dealing with the staff trauma. That being said, as an associated you still need to market and be mindful of that side of things. Do great endo is expected.

 

[J777]

I am a resident moonlighting. I am mostly OON and get 45% adjusted production. Owner general dentist lets me place the build up. For molar endo and BU, we charge $1700 (which is probably low compared to graduated endodontists).

 

[Furman11]

I am a resident moonlighting. I am mostly OON and get 45% adjusted production. Owner general dentist lets me place the build up. For molar endo and BU, we charge $1700 (which is probably low compared to graduated endodontists).

Was it difficult finding a job to moonlight and is it difficult to moonlight while in school?

 

[FutureDent020]

I've been an endo associate with over 3 years now. 42% collections. I work 3/days a week and average about 8 completions a day. The pay is great but marketing is the biggest challenge. Some GPs are really fickle and don't have much loyalty to you and will easily start referring to other offices in a heartbeat while others you develop great bonds of trust. If you work in an area with other endo offices close by (30mins drive or less away) your going to see these kinds of things and that is where a lot of the stress comes from. I love being an associated because I cant handle the business' side and the hiring/firing and dealing with the staff trauma. That being said, as an associated you still need to market and be mindful of that side of things. Do great endo is expected.

This feels pretty spot on. Noticed this early on.

 

[J777]

Was it difficult finding a job to moonlight and is it difficult to moonlight while in school?

No to both questions, but it is highly program-dependent

 

[FutureDent020]

No to both questions, but it is highly program-dependent

Yea, we’ve never had a student moonlight at our program. 0730- 5 Monday through Friday. Then research, studying, and catching up on the weekends. And I know a different program where basically all the residents moonlighted.

 

[Furman11]

Yea, we’ve never had a student moonlight at our program. 0730- 5 Monday through Friday. Then research, studying, and catching up on the weekends. And I know a different program where basically all the residents moonlighted.

Which program was the one that everyone moonlighted?

 

[princeafrica]

Which program was the one that everyone moonlighted?

Columbia i hear a lot moonlight

 

[J777]

Appreciate it! I’ve been fortunate and it has exceeded my expectations. Best career decision was jump into ownership, hands down. Write offs are <5% so production and collections are relatively equal.

Did you pursue ownership straight out of residency? Do you recommend associating for several years prior to ownership? And do you accept insurance?

 

[Torshammer]

I am in SoCal, which is a saturated area. There is a big range of earning potential depending on how much you work and the practice setting that you work in. I would say the median salary is $300K for an asociate endo here.

 

[dizzle23x]

Did you pursue ownership straight out of residency? Do you recommend associating for several years prior to ownership? And do you accept insurance?

I associated for a couple years. It was a good stepping stone for me. I became more efficient clinically and also let me see how an endo practice was ran/what I’d want to change. I’m mostly OON/FFS.

 

[MidwestOwl]

I've been an endo associate with over 3 years now. 42% collections. I work 3/days a week and average about 8 completions a day. The pay is great but marketing is the biggest challenge. Some GPs are really fickle and don't have much loyalty to you and will easily start referring to other offices in a heartbeat while others you develop great bonds of trust. If you work in an area with other endo offices close by (30mins drive or less away) your going to see these kinds of things and that is where a lot of the stress comes from. I love being an associated because I cant handle the business' side and the hiring/firing and dealing with the staff trauma. That being said, as an associated you still need to market and be mindful of that side of things. Do great endo is expected.

fickle GPs stress me out too. when i first bought my practice, i freaked out every time i saw a patient walk into my office holding a referral slip that was intended for my rival office.i wish the gps are more transparent about why they decide to refer to a different office/stop referring to me??? Patients donot complain in front of the doctors;as a result, it be difficult to tell if they are upset. at the end of the day, all you need is five offices that treat you as their number 1 and then a few filler offices here and there

 

[DDS9994]

200K-250K/month production or collections? You’re doing a nice job with overhead. Especially in a world where salary demands are rising and expenses are increasing. These numbers make sense though and aren’t anything crazy for an endo that owns. The key here is an associate that’s making you money on top of a low overhead. Makes me really think twice about moving to ownership. Nice job.

Endo gets the benefit of not having to hire hygienists, that lone would keep overhead low.

 

[endostyle]

Owner for 3 years and half. Solo practitioner, ppo and FFS office. 40 to 45 hours weekly. 2 weeks off per year. 22/23 cases average weekly. Collections were 1.6M with a 18 to 20% office overhead. I took home 1.3M before taxes.

 

[dentgeek101]

What state are you in? How did you build your practice to this point?

 

[702]

Owner for 3 years and half. Solo practitioner, ppo and FFS office. 40 to 45 hours weekly. 2 weeks off per year. 22/23 cases average weekly. Collections were 1.6M with a 18 to 20% office overhead. I took home 1.3M before taxes.

That 18% overhead is insane. Congrats bro

 

[nbde4dds]

Owner for 3 years and half. Solo practitioner, ppo and FFS office. 40 to 45 hours weekly. 2 weeks off per year. 22/23 cases average weekly. Collections were 1.6M with a 18 to 20% office overhead. I took home 1.3M before taxes.

Amazing. What state?

 

[redchesus]

Owner for 3 years and half. Solo practitioner, ppo and FFS office. 40 to 45 hours weekly. 2 weeks off per year. 22/23 cases average weekly. Collections were 1.6M with a 18 to 20% office overhead. I took home 1.3M before taxes.

Love everything about this except the 2 weeks off... but I guess as a solo practitioner you do have to be available for your referring docs.

 

[MidwestOwl]

Owner for 3 years and half. Solo practitioner, ppo and FFS office. 40 to 45 hours weekly. 2 weeks off per year. 22/23 cases average weekly. Collections were 1.6M with a 18 to 20% office overhead. I took home 1.3M before taxes.

i hope uncle Sam didnt take 50% of your money,..i hate uncle Sam...in the mean time, your staff barely have to pay any tax

 

[850csi]

i hope uncle Sam didnt take 50% of your money,..i hate uncle Sam...in the mean time, your staff barely have to pay any tax

Except staff make less money than the endodontist...and Uncle Sam is charging you a progressive income tax.

 

[dentgeek101]

How much do endodontists charge for their root canals and how long does it take them?

 

[FutureDent020]

How much do endodontists charge for their root canals and how long does it take them?

Depends and depends

 

[MidwestOwl]

Except staff make less money than the endodontist...and Uncle Sam is charging you a progressive income tax.

im talking about the lazy staff....it is very hard to find good and loyal staff...

 

[850csi]

im talking about the lazy staff....it is very hard to find good and loyal staff...

I see. A lot of dentists I know have told me their experience is the same. Is searching for assistants easier/harder/the same for an endodontist vs a general dentist?