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[Animal Midwife]

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NAI means Not Affiliation Indicative, there are a list of terms below and definitions from the most recent noob game

Do you have current thoughts on the gamestate?

 

[finnickthedog]

Any other feelings besides april so far?

I find the way the election went odd and I'm wary of both DocE and SAR because of it, but also kind of feeling like since there were two of them that maybe that means it's not wolfy. Or at least that they aren't both wolves even if one is.

Other than that, no.

 

[Viscernable]

Vis has been a lot more involved than when I was wolfing with her in basics when she lurked and posted minimally (but huge wall posts when she did).

I’ve actually been less involved this game so far lol, just posting more often (but much less content per post so less content overall... there hasn’t been much I’ve found worth saying). I don’t really expect villagers to keep accurate tabs on exactly how much everyone is posting so I don’t find it particularly wolfy that you got that impression, but I don’t want village points for something I’m not doing... those feel like dangerous village points.

 

[mkg323]

well I think its safe to say shorty/DocE is not w/w

pretty neutral for now, maybe very slight village (but with a strong personality and possible additional motives at play)

I'm still trying to wrap my head around how the class modifiers should impact my reads, if it all.

I think further into the game we can start to think about class roles influencing gameplay, but right now, with so little known, and not even a flip to glean some info from I think it does more harm than good to put value in peoples classes while reading them

 

[vetmedhead]

pretty neutral for now, maybe very slight village (but with a strong personality and possible additional motives at play)

I'm still trying to wrap my head around how the class modifiers should impact my reads, if it all.

Because roles and abilities and classes all are going to impact the way people play. so someone might seem weird to me because they're a wolf, or they could be a villager with a class modifier that I don't understand that is influencing their decision making/ strategy. there may be within-class trends that look like wolfpack trends, etc. It seems like there's several layers of complexity to this game, so it's gonna be more complicated than wolf vs. not wolf. I think a focus on wolves is obviously the best starting point, I just want to be nuanced with my reads when possible

Your posts about this are interesting to me. Can you think of any other reasons it might be valuable to keep class modifiers close to your chest?

Wasn't me who said but... voting out silent people just for being silent is most often just going to lead to a bunch of villager deaths for the sake of maybe capturing a lurking wolf. Yeah, maybe eventually if someone has been silent for a long time then it's okay to vote for them on the basis of that. But we're on literally the first vote.

Yeah, I do see the reasoning as you get closer to end game in that the process of elimination is easier if all that remain are players that have left enough content to at least be able to develop reads on, but I think D1 votes produce really valuable information that's marred a bit by just jumping on quiet folks

 

[Viscernable]

This is the reasoning that let her skate by as a wolf for so long in Bioshock.

But that isn’t a reason to suspect her, just as much as it isn’t a reason to clear her. She’s a valuable villager who often brings fresh insights who I really don’t want misyeeted. We need to look for what her wolf and village tells actually are. Wolf interactions are a big one for her iirc; I’m not sure what parts of her own posting style and tone are telling. I do find that she sounds a bit more sincerely interested and less impartial this game than during bioshock, but it’s not a strong feeling.

 

[vetmedhead]

Did @Ms Procrastinator ever explain the last minute mayor waffle onto DocE?

 

[genny]

Not super impressed with his reasoning for the shorty push though.

Do you think she should be pushed for other reasons?

 

[TelemarketingEnigma]

Your posts about this are interesting to me. Can you think of any other reasons it might be valuable to keep class modifiers close to your chest?

I think in some ways I'm just having fun overthinking things, but it frustrates me a little when we're handed interesting details about the game and then everyone says to ignore them until later (I find mechanics super interesting in a way other people hate haha, but its part of what makes the game fun for me). As mentioned before I'm not planning to publicly speculate too much on exact class modifiers for individuals (for example, I don't know if there's certain classes that would make people targets for wolves/3Ps in the way PRs often are), but I also don't want to put someone in my wolf bin for reasons that could be explained by other details of their role and accidentally get them yeeted

 

[genny]

Did @Ms Procrastinator ever explain the last minute mayor waffle onto DocE?

That was @sunshinefl

 

[mkg323]

Do you have current thoughts on the gamestate?

Well like I just posted, I really don't think shorty/DocE is w/w 🤣
Cray seems to be herself, but I read her wrong last time so I'm pretty cautious of her, I also didn't like her flipping onto the DocE vote yesterday after saying that his posts pinged her. getting silenced in the middle of the day is also a bit odd.
People definitely bought their tinfoil in bulk before this game, and while TME and Vissy's ideas are interesting, I just cant decide if they are actually helpful at the moment with what little information we have

 

[supershorty]

We are clearly talking about different posts. And going back and doing exactly what I keep saying you need to do, it's clear that you haven't even BOTHERED to even look. So rather than talk about the fact that I just don't like the way you're posting, you instead decide to post aspersions and not even bother to do the bare minimum requested of you.

Post that I have referenced, at least, four times now is listed below. It is the EXACT post above where I voted to lynch you. And as I said multiple times, it's just another example (of which there were a few) of you just kicking the tires in a way that rubbed me the wrong way.


I'm not saying you need to die in a wolf fire. I'm sayinf you had some piss poor reads day zero. You have some piss poor comments today. And you consistently avoid quoting me or addressing what I actually said and instead try to do the least amount of work while throwing out the most amount of dismissal of my vague suspicion. You're not doing yourself any favor at least as far as me feeling like you wouldn't be a bad villager to lose AT ALL if you're not a wolf.

I have literally quoted you MULTIPLE TIMES. I don't give a **** about you saying my reads are bad. I'm the first one to say that my early day reads are trash. But you're twisting things trying to act like I'm not doing things, or doing things, that isn't representative of reality. It's getting really old.

I'm not going to keep wasting time with you, I'm going to analyze people's posts and look for wolves. How about you do the same?

 

[supershorty]

But that isn’t a reason to suspect her, just as much as it isn’t a reason to clear her.

I agree, although I have had some pings from her so far. I just wanted to put out there that I think her throwing sus everywhere is NAI.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Do you think she should be pushed for other reasons?

Not at the moment.

 

[alleycat03]

This intro pinged me, like wanting to make yourself seem like you're around and contributing, but also giving a IRL excuse to actually not offer up anything

the irl stuff does sound really cool tho alley

It was really fun to judge and listen to them debate, but sitting on zoom for 7 hours was exhausting. I don’t know why my post specifically pinged you, since I was active throughout the day reacting and responding whenever I could.

 

[vetmedhead]

I think in some ways I'm just having fun overthinking things, but it frustrates me a little when we're handed interesting details about the game and then everyone says to ignore them until later (I find mechanics super interesting in a way other people hate haha, but its part of what makes the game fun for me). As mentioned before I'm not planning to publicly speculate too much on exact class modifiers for individuals (for example, I don't know if there's certain classes that would make people targets for wolves/3Ps in the way PRs often are), but I also don't want to put someone in my wolf bin for reasons that could be explained by other details of their role and accidentally get them yeeted

I like mechanics as well, just curious why your first thoughts went for thinking about how modifiers might make someone sketchy rather than how they might make someone a target for additional night kills from wolves, which is a common mechanic associated with secret role categories

That was @sunshinefl

Oh whoops. Same question stands for them then

 

[alleycat03]

While I didn’t have anything stolen (rip to SAR’s teapot), I did get a message that says somebody took a close look at me.

 

[TelemarketingEnigma]

I like mechanics as well, just curious why your first thoughts went for thinking about how modifiers might make someone sketchy rather than how they might make someone a target for additional night kills from wolves, which is a common mechanic associated with secret role categories

Oh whoops. Same question stands for them then

I've mentioned that too

And while i do like overall mechanics talk (looks like my tinfoil was right after all) I do think I should be more careful about speculating too publicly into who the exact royals are, since some of them are likely village affiliated and outing them could bring them harm

 

[Barkley13]

getting silenced in the middle of the day is also a bit odd.

I thought it happened over night?

 

[Animal Midwife]

Well like I just posted, I really don't think shorty/DocE is w/w 🤣
Cray seems to be herself, but I read her wrong last time so I'm pretty cautious of her, I also didn't like her flipping onto the DocE vote yesterday after saying that his posts pinged her. getting silenced in the middle of the day is also a bit odd.
People definitely bought their tinfoil in bulk before this game, and while TME and Vissy's ideas are interesting, I just cant decide if they are actually helpful at the moment with what little information we have

Do you think one or both are village?

 

[mkg323]

I thought it happened over night?

I just double-checked and you're correct. she was posting regularly in the early AM way before night results came out, and has been silenced since then

 

[Crayola227]

My phone said everything had loaded until after I posted :/ (I’m in a Starbucks parking lot catching up)

Oh well I was dead so early I didn’t really follow bio shock as close. But, what I did see, I read her wolf because she was actually a little softer around the edges.

 

[DocEspana]

I'm not going to keep wasting time with you, I'm going to analyze people's posts and look for wolves. How about you do the same?

I did.

And that's why my vote stands.

<Mic drop>

 

[WildZoo]

well I think its safe to say shorty/DocE is not w/w

Ah but my paranoia says what if it's been staged

 

[PippyPony]

Day One - Green and Pleasant Land - Vote Tally

Capri (1) - AM
AM (1) - Ms P
Stagg (1) - Shorty
Sporty (0) -
Cray (1) - samac
Alissa (1) - Barks
Zenge (1) - genny
DocE (2) - April, Dina
April (2) - Dubz, Finn
Shorty (1) - DocE

11/28 players voting
Voting closes in a long while

 

[WildZoo]

I think in some ways I'm just having fun overthinking things, but it frustrates me a little when we're handed interesting details about the game and then everyone says to ignore them until later (I find mechanics super interesting in a way other people hate haha, but its part of what makes the game fun for me). As mentioned before I'm not planning to publicly speculate too much on exact class modifiers for individuals (for example, I don't know if there's certain classes that would make people targets for wolves/3Ps in the way PRs often are), but I also don't want to put someone in my wolf bin for reasons that could be explained by other details of their role and accidentally get them yeeted

Tbh I think it's fine to speculate as long as you're doing other stuff too and not fishing. I don't think pippy put stuff in the game for us to ignore it. I imagine sad mod noises if we don't talk about the mechanics, even early speculation.

 

[WildZoo]

I have literally quoted you MULTIPLE TIMES. I don't give a **** about you saying my reads are bad. I'm the first one to say that my early day reads are trash. But you're twisting things trying to act like I'm not doing things, or doing things, that isn't representative of reality. It's getting really old.

I'm not going to keep wasting time with you, I'm going to analyze people's posts and look for wolves. How about you do the same?

I think I am less paranoid about wolf theater now lol

 

[WildZoo]

I like mechanics as well, just curious why your first thoughts went for thinking about how modifiers might make someone sketchy rather than how they might make someone a target for additional night kills from wolves, which is a common mechanic associated with secret role categories

Why would a villager who hasn't seen that type of role before think in that direction?

 

[Crayola227]

Leans? Sure. People like Doc E give me the heebie jeebies with his play yesterday. His whole pitch to be PM gave me the willies. Cray's interactions with him also felt super weird. This post in particular pinged me. Like "Oh isn't it so funny how untrustworthy you are?! lol"


Possible pack mates? She was supposedly distrusting of him and then voted to give him extra powers. She "explained" why she voted for him but it wasn't an explanation I found compelling. She later questioned me for wanting my vote to be relevant rather than me throwing it away. And then when I answered her question she completely blew me off and refused to answer my question back at her.

So overall, not feeling super great about that. And I don't think she would have pushed me about my voting if I had just "fallen in line" and voted for DocE. In fact, I don't think she pushed anyone who voted DocE or questioned them. On the one hand she could argue "why would I question people on a vote that I agree with". Which is true, but on the other hand, it really does emphasize how much she wanted to get her candidate elected. It actually puts a much greater emphases on her push to get DocE elected, than her shaky explanation for voting for him supports. Not feeling good about that at all.

She also attacked MsP here for self voting and then not only didn't go after DocE for it, she voted for him and pushed people who weren't voting for him. It's a sketchy dynamic.

Overall, we still have 32 hours left in the cycle. A lot of player's barely posted yesterday and some didn't post at all. Most of the roster hasn't posted at all yet today. So there's still a lot left to be seen.

Spoiler

 

[mkg323]

Do you think one or both are village?

Well at least one is village. Both could be. I'm not really sure how to read DocE, he pinged me yesterday during the PM vote, and I didn't like that people hopped on his vote for the lulz, but I've never played with him so I dont know what the norm is with him. So far Shorty has looked pretty villagy to me. That being said, I think I'd like to see them interact with other people before I can confidently move them (either way) out of my neutral pile

 

[Crayola227]

I’ve actually been less involved this game so far lol, just posting more often (but much less content per post so less content overall... there hasn’t been much I’ve found worth saying). I don’t really expect villagers to keep accurate tabs on exactly how much everyone is posting so I don’t find it particularly wolfy that you got that impression, but I don’t want village points for something I’m not doing... those feel like dangerous village points.

Spoiler

 

[Crayola227]

But that isn’t a reason to suspect her, just as much as it isn’t a reason to clear her. She’s a valuable villager who often brings fresh insights who I really don’t want misyeeted. We need to look for what her wolf and village tells actually are. Wolf interactions are a big one for her iirc; I’m not sure what parts of her own posting style and tone are telling. I do find that she sounds a bit more sincerely interested and less impartial this game than during bioshock, but it’s not a strong feeling.

Spoiler

 

[Crayola227]

I thought it happened over night?

Spoiler

 

[Crayola227]

##### exterminate Shorty #####

 

[WildZoo]

Ohhh the Matt Smith one is basically "This"

 

[WildZoo]

##### exterminate Shorty #####

 

[genny]

##### exterminate Shorty #####

does this have anything to do with your post restriction?

 

[Dinashadow]

It was really fun to judge and listen to them debate, but sitting on zoom for 7 hours was exhausting. I don’t know why my post specifically pinged you, since I was active throughout the day reacting and responding whenever I could.

I saw you posted a few other things during the day, but it still gave me some weird feels that I wanted to point out

 

[DocEspana]

Ah but my paranoia says what if it's been staged

I mean that would be some spectacular good ****, right?

And something I'd totally do.

But not with someone I don't trust and you know I'm not trusting a (to me) new player to do that **** and not mess up the delicate balance. So at the very least you have to pretty confidently know it's not wolf/wolf interpretive dance - if you really think about it and how I am.

 

[samac]

****s going down and I’m just over here wondering what the importance is of a teapot.

 

[WildZoo]

I mean that would be some spectacular good ****, right?

And something I'd totally do.

But not with someone I don't trust and you know I'm not trusting a (to me) new player to do that **** and not mess up the delicate balance. So at the very least you have to pretty confidently know it's not wolf/wolf interpretive dance - if you really think about it and how I am.

I've seen you hard bus noob wolves before, so it was more about gauging shorty's reactions to your posts than about what you were doing

not sure I have to pay much attention to what you're doing anyway, if we're policy executing you by midgame 😉

 

[samac]

Unyeet cray
Yeet zenge
Cause his last comment was around 2 but he was reacting to things after that and it’s not like him to be quiet

 

[Viscernable]

This is blatantly false.

I was the 3rd person to vote today and am currently the only vote on the person I'm on.
I was the 1st person to vote for samac yesterday (and the 3rd vote of that cycle), and then changed my vote to SAR when it looked like samac wasn't going to be a viable candidate.

Being rude is whatever, but don't make things up.

I don’t agree that your comments are “useless” and honestly think that comment’s unnecessarily rude, but this defense misrepresents things imo. I don’t think DocE was talking about the election when talking about “goading people into voting where you haven’t yet put your vote yourself” (paraphrased), that sounds like specifically talking about not voting for who you’re suspicious of. Your vote for Stagg was explicitly a pressure vote, so it doesn’t count for putting your vote where your mouth is imo.

 

[Viscernable]

But also that totally garbage comment about double kills on mayor votes.

What post? I don’t remember that

 

[DocEspana]

What post? I don’t remember that

This one by them

Is it, though? Ties can end badly for both the people involved sometimes. I'm not sure that wanting to avoid the potential of 2 deaths is the same as being unwilling to be elected.

And the context to this is important in that it was after they came at me (gently) for saying my reasoning for voting in the runoff was flawed and I pointed out ive been very consistent about elect the unwilling except if I want it myself. They then responded back to my desire to elect the unwilling this way (vote was close at that time but my vote never actually made it a tie at any point). And I told them straight out that this was a very bad take

 

[supershorty]

This one by them


And the context to this is important in that it was after they came at me (gently) for saying my reasoning for voting in the runoff was flawed and I pointed out ive been very consistent about elect the unwilling except if I want it myself. They then responded back to my desire to elect the unwilling this way (vote was close at that time but my vote never actually made it a tie at any point)

I never said you were the one making the tie. Jesus christ you're stuck in this tunnel something fierce. I maintain that samac being more willing to lose than be stuck in a tie is not the same as "electing the unwilling."

I have only played in one other game with elections. I have, however, played in other games where ties occurred, with varying results from no one dying to both members in the tie dying. Yes, that was only of yeet votes, but I have no reason to trust ties and can understand samac's desire to avoid one.

 

[Animal Midwife]

@Ms Procrastinator What happened to the increased activity I saw last game?

 

[PippyPony]

Day One - Green and Pleasant Land - Vote Tally

Capri (1) - AM
AM (1) - Ms P
Stagg (1) - Shorty
Sporty (0) -
Cray (0) -
Alissa (1) - Barks
Zenge (2) - genny, samac
DocE (2) - April, Dina
April (2) - Dubz, Finn
Shorty (2) - DocE, cray

12/28 players voting
Voting closes in a long while

 

[Aprilthearab]

I didn't say wolfy (yet), just different. but after goats I'm ALWAYS reading AM wolfy until proven otherwise lol.

Interesting perspective. I felt that her gameplay in ggoats was very different than her village games and made her wolfing quite apparent. But I realize I was the only one in that game screaming for her head, so it's fair for you (and others who might have difficulty reading her when she's wolfing) to be cautious.

I'm not saying you need to die in a wolf fire. I'm sayinf you had some piss poor reads day zero. You have some piss poor comments today.

We get it, you don't like Shorty's gameplay. Do you mind telling us what about her reads and comments makes them so horrible? Can you pull quotes so those of us who aren't seeing what you are seeing can understand what the point is here?

DocE feels like DocE (this doesn't necessarily mean anything) and I'm curious about what he's seeing with shorty since I'm always curious if he's right about stuff, but not so much feeling that myself. Still more interested in april's comments about zenge this morning.

I'll be getting around to it soon. What's made you so curious about it? How are you reading both of us at this point (besides my one comment you thought was pingy)?

I’ve actually been less involved this game so far lol, just posting more often (but much less content per post so less content overall... there hasn’t been much I’ve found worth saying). I don’t really expect villagers to keep accurate tabs on exactly how much everyone is posting so I don’t find it particularly wolfy that you got that impression, but I don’t want village points for something I’m not doing... those feel like dangerous village points.

Your gameplay and posting style is aligning more closely with your village meta than your wolf meta. That's all. Why, should I be wolf reading you?

 

[Viscernable]

Post that I have referenced, at least, four times now is listed below. It is the EXACT post above where I voted to lynch you. And as I said multiple times, it's just another example (of which there were a few) of you just kicking the tires in a way that rubbed me the wrong way.

Why is it so detrimental to village to push someone to post reads so that wolves can’t hide behind wishy-washy “oooohhh i dunno” to avoid having to fake reads (especially reads of fellow wolves which can be very telling)?