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[The_Breadmann]

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I think once we had an unseerable wolf MJ elect himself mayor and he got it, too. Just something to keep in mind.

And there's some flavors of unseerable that return a "normal" or village result as opposed to coming back as a failed action or "unknown" or whatever.

Appreciate scrutinizing a vote in favor of who you are voting for

 

[Zenge142]

For me, it's still whichever of the candidates I feel more comfortable reading correctly. I have caught MsP every time she was wolfing whereas I can't say I've ever confidently village read samac.

What are your current thoughts on the run off candidates from last night?

 

[Animal Midwife]

What are your current thoughts on the run off candidates from last night?

samac is slight village for me. I have no read on MsP.

 

[Barkley13]

Regardless of affiliations, I think Cray's sheeping of DocE is the result of friendliness outside of the game. Which isn't my favorite thing, but I'm having a hard time making it AI.

Agreed. And no one’s jumping to yeet her before she can explain herself with words so it’s a bit of a wait and see thing right now.

 

[PippyPony]

new page, same tally

Day One - Green and Pleasant Land - Vote Tally

Capri (1) - AM
AM (1) - Ms P
Stagg (0) -
Sporty (0) -
Cray (0) -
Alissa (1) - Barks
Zenge (2) - genny, alissa
DocE (5) - April, Dina, zenge, alleycat, Shorty
April (2) - Dubz, Finn
Shorty (2) - DocE, cray
Ms P (1) - bobloblaw

@DocEspana you are in the lead
15/28 players voting
Voting closes in ~22...? hrs

 

[capri1722]

Yeet capri

I'm waking her up.

you seem to be under the impression my alarm clock is broken. ¿porqué?

But you’re telling him it’s a pressure vote

is that...bad...somehow?
are you not supposed to tell someone that you are pressure voting them?

 

[Animal Midwife]

you seem to be under the impression my alarm clock is broken. ¿porqué?

Because I had to wake you up myself.

 

[Crayola227]

it's only doctor who related images

Spoiler

 

[The_Breadmann]

Eh, sure, but I definitely think wolves worry about it more.

On the flip side this does draw more attention that is either good or bad.

 

[Animal Midwife]

@supershorty I got a Cray angery react

 

[vetmedhead]

Why would a villager who hasn't seen that type of role before think in that direction?

TE isn't that new of a player and admittedly likes mechanics. Wolves getting extra kills if they can correctly identify some category a player falls in is a super super super common mechanic and something that's brought up frequently the second anybody asks about roles on thread. I'd honestly be more surprised if they'd never heard of it. I'm not reading them wolf after catching up on posts, but just pointing out that I don't think it's that off the wall to find it unusual that they largely didn't mention that possibility.

I’m making note that I’m really not a fan of the Cray-DocE interactions. I’ve never played with DocE before, but him basically putting words in Cray’s mouth and them being so buddy-buddy is giving me some bad vibes. I think Cray is too good of a wolf to be that obvious, but I also REALLY don’t like DocE’s interactions with Shorty either.

##### yeet DocE #####

My question is what do you think DocE's strategy is here assuming he's wolfy? Causing chaos is fun and all but it's also obviously settling him into the lead rn

Sure. It's mostly leans at this point considering the thread state but:
Wolfy leans:
DocE obviously.
Cray I don't feel good about, but it's possible it's a pocketing situation.
Alissa: I feel weird about for the vote switching, but since I've also seen her get misyeeted for that, I'm a little gun shy to push there.
Cyndia: I don't feel good about her lack of thread presence given this is how she wolfed in Bioshock.

Village leans:
Alley: I feel good about having just wolfed with her, so leaning village.
Shorty: Village leaning. Typical Shorty village play.
Dubz: Village lean, but if April flips village, it'll be worth reevaluating.
Dina and you AM: Village leaning, but more from feels than content.

Everyone else is pretty neutral.

Is alley a tone read based on recent wolfing with her or something else?

 

[Animal Midwife]

@supershorty I got a Cray angery react

Also @Zenge142

 

[Animal Midwife]

TE isn't that new of a player and admittedly likes mechanics. Wolves getting extra kills if they can correctly identify some category a player falls in is a super super super common mechanic and something that's brought up frequently the second anybody asks about roles on thread. I'd honestly be more surprised if they'd never heard of it. I'm not reading them wolf after catching up on posts, but just pointing out that I don't think it's that off the wall to find it unusual that they largely didn't mention that possibility.

Wait, what do you mean? This is her fourth game.

 

[Zenge142]

Is alley a tone read based on recent wolfing with her or something else?

Tone and posting content both.

 

[Zenge142]

Also @Zenge142

Yeah, after Shorty got that laugh react in Ggoats I gave up completely.

 

[genny]

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Spoiler: gifs

 

[WildZoo]

TE isn't that new of a player and admittedly likes mechanics. Wolves getting extra kills if they can correctly identify some category a player falls in is a super super super common mechanic and something that's brought up frequently the second anybody asks about roles on thread. I'd honestly be more surprised if they'd never heard of it. I'm not reading them wolf after catching up on posts, but just pointing out that I don't think it's that off the wall to find it unusual that they largely didn't mention that possibility.

I don't like any of this. I don't know if it's been mentioned in the games TE has played but I don't understand why it would be sketchy for someone not to think of a mechanic that wolves would be much more aware of.

 

[genny]

What are your current thoughts on the run off candidates from last night?

What are your thoughts?

 

[Barkley13]

is that...bad...somehow?
are you not supposed to tell someone that you are pressure voting them?

Idk seems like it defeats the purpose? And lets them know they can basically say anything and get unvoted

 

[alleycat03]

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I'm just really appreciating how Cray keeps using this same image over and over, but any time she uses something else I'm so confused.

 

[capri1722]

Because I had to wake you up myself.

Spoiler

 

[alleycat03]

Also, I know somebody postulated earlier that Cray could be faking this post restriction, but I highly, highly doubt that just based on how frustrated she was about being silenced during the last game and how much she likes to post her thoughts. She talked a lot in wolf chat and was struggling to not like anything on thread when she was silenced during Bioshock. It appears that she can like/react to posts right now, but I don't think she would necessarily choose to fake this. That seems unnecessary, especially this early in the game. I feel like it is much more likely an ability or item causing this.

 

[Aprilthearab]

Also, I know somebody postulated earlier that Cray could be faking this post restriction, but I highly, highly doubt that just based on how frustrated she was about being silenced during the last game and how much she likes to post her thoughts. She talked a lot in wolf chat and was struggling to not like anything on thread when she was silenced during Bioshock. It appears that she can like/react to posts right now, but I don't think she would necessarily choose to fake this. That seems unnecessary, especially this early in the game. I feel like it is much more likely an ability or item causing this.

Agreed, and I think a better question is what affiliation the post restrictor might be and why they chose Cray.

 

[capri1722]

Idk seems like it defeats the purpose? And lets them know they can basically say anything and get unvoted

that is more or less the purpose, yes
now the CONTENT of what they say, on the other hand...

 

[Barkley13]

I know somebody postulated earlier that Cray could be faking this post restriction

Someone said that?

 

[genny]

Also, I know somebody postulated earlier that Cray could be faking this post restriction, but I highly, highly doubt that just based on how frustrated she was about being silenced during the last game and how much she likes to post her thoughts. She talked a lot in wolf chat and was struggling to not like anything on thread when she was silenced during Bioshock. It appears that she can like/react to posts right now, but I don't think she would necessarily choose to fake this. That seems unnecessary, especially this early in the game. I feel like it is much more likely an ability or item causing this.

I wonder if the restriction applies to PMs too

 

[supershorty]

Also, I know somebody postulated earlier that Cray could be faking this post restriction, but I highly, highly doubt that just based on how frustrated she was about being silenced during the last game and how much she likes to post her thoughts. She talked a lot in wolf chat and was struggling to not like anything on thread when she was silenced during Bioshock. It appears that she can like/react to posts right now, but I don't think she would necessarily choose to fake this. That seems unnecessary, especially this early in the game. I feel like it is much more likely an ability or item causing this.

Wait, where did someone say that?

 

[sunshinefl]

That was @sunshinefl

@sunshinefl , before the runoff election, when you and genny were talking about her switching her vote to MsP and hoping to get more people on that vote - I'm just wondering why you swapped your vote to DocE after that interaction. It seemed like you and genny both agreed on MsP, and she switched, but then you changed your vote, noted the opposite ninjaing, but didn't change it back. There were only 2 minutes left before voting closed, so maybe you just missed that, but I'm curious why you changed your vote given the conversation you guys were having.

Ms P had like 3 votes with me, SAR had like 9, and Doc E had like 7. Even with Genny, it wasn’t gonna happen. There was like 90 secs left. So I was faced with my vote really only counting on one of those 2, of which I preferred the unknown player to the player who I can never ever read.

 

[vetmedhead]

Wait, what do you mean? This is her fourth game.

How many games does somebody have to play to not be new anymore? 4 is plenty for me to not give noob passes anymore and I find this a weird thing for you to pick out of this post to nitpick

I don't like any of this. I don't know if it's been mentioned in the games TE has played but I don't understand why it would be sketchy for someone not to think of a mechanic that wolves would be much more aware of.

Again I just thought it was interesting that someone who explicitly mentions they like mechanics wouldn't bring up one of the most obvious applications of this. It's not some secret only wolves could come up with. And, as pointed out to me by TE herself, she DID mention it and I had missed it, so it doesn't matter anyway

 

[Barkley13]

that is more or less the purpose, yes
now the CONTENT of what they say, on the other hand...

I feel like it’s basically telling them that it’s not a real vote. And in this case stagg was never going to show up just because he had a vote on him

 

[Zenge142]

What are your thoughts?

I’m not good at reading Samac or MsP. Inexperience with both is a big contributor. Samac had me in Ggoats, hook line and sinker, even after she led my misyeet. Totally fooled.

But at least I’ve seen her wolf once, so I can at least maybe catch something if something is off. Unlike MsP who I’ve never seen wolf at all.

I liked seeing MsP’s increased participation in Bioshock, which was decidedly pro village (or didn’t like it because I was a wolf 😛). I haven’t see that participation in this game.

Neutral for MsP at the moment. Cautiously optimistic about Samac being village, but still paranoid about missing something.

 

[genny]

I’m not good at reading Samac or MsP. Inexperience with both is a big contributor. Samac had me in Ggoats, hook line and sinker, even after she led my misyeet. Totally fooled.

But at least I’ve seen her wolf once, so I can at least maybe catch something if something is off. Unlike MsP who I’ve never seen wolf at all.

I liked seeing MsP’s increased participation in Bioshock, which was decidedly pro village (or didn’t like it because I was a wolf 😛). I haven’t see that participation in this game.

Neutral for MsP at the moment. Cautiously optimistic about Samac being village, but still paranoid about missing something.

oh i was asking more broadly, didn't mean to limit you to those 2.

 

[vetmedhead]

Also, I know somebody postulated earlier that Cray could be faking this post restriction, but I highly, highly doubt that just based on how frustrated she was about being silenced during the last game and how much she likes to post her thoughts. She talked a lot in wolf chat and was struggling to not like anything on thread when she was silenced during Bioshock. It appears that she can like/react to posts right now, but I don't think she would necessarily choose to fake this. That seems unnecessary, especially this early in the game. I feel like it is much more likely an ability or item causing this.

Agreed, and I think a better question is what affiliation the post restrictor might be and why they chose Cray.

I mean this as lovingly as possible, but I can see cray being a very tempting post restriction candidate based on her volume of posting overall. I'd love to see how post restrictions play out over the next day or two to see how the ability is being utilized across players

Editing to add: if the restriction is also always DW specific then I can also see why cray would be an initial target. Anyway

 

[WildZoo]

How many games does somebody have to play to not be new anymore? 4 is plenty for me to not give noob passes anymore and I find this a weird thing for you to pick out of this post to nitpick

Again I just thought it was interesting that someone who explicitly mentions they like mechanics wouldn't bring up one of the most obvious applications of this. It's not some secret only wolves could come up with. And, as pointed out to me by TE herself, she DID mention it and I had missed it, so it doesn't matter anyway

Still kinda matters to me because this whole thing feels like a weird stretch.

If wolves being able to kill particular types of players should be ~so obvious~ to someone never exposed to the mechanic before, then why has it ever been successfully used in a game?

 

[Animal Midwife]

How many games does somebody have to play to not be new anymore? 4 is plenty for me to not give noob passes anymore and I find this a weird thing for you to pick out of this post to nitpick

Okay, that just seems unusually steep to me especially given she died N1 in one of them even within this current crop of players. I try to give people a 10 game grace period.

 

[Aprilthearab]

I’m not good at reading Samac or MsP. Inexperience with both is a big contributor. Samac had me in Ggoats, hook line and sinker, even after she led my misyeet. Totally fooled.

But at least I’ve seen her wolf once, so I can at least maybe catch something if something is off. Unlike MsP who I’ve never seen wolf at all.

I liked seeing MsP’s increased participation in Bioshock, which was decidedly pro village (or didn’t like it because I was a wolf 😛). I haven’t see that participation in this game.

Neutral for MsP at the moment. Cautiously optimistic about Samac being village, but still paranoid about missing something.

Samac is probably my strongest village read. Her tone is much more careful as a wolf and much more animated as a villager. In ggoats, I said early on that I didn't have any village points to give to her and that was really weirding me out, and then only fell for the village act later on because I thought for sure her interactions with AM could not be w/w. If not for the interactions, she would have stayed in my POE.

Agreed about MsP though, I don't have any good way to say "Ah, that's a wolf!" with her.

 

[alleycat03]

Well like I just posted, I really don't think shorty/DocE is w/w 🤣
Cray seems to be herself, but I read her wrong last time so I'm pretty cautious of her, I also didn't like her flipping onto the DocE vote yesterday after saying that his posts pinged her. getting silenced in the middle of the day is also a bit odd.
People definitely bought their tinfoil in bulk before this game, and while TME and Vissy's ideas are interesting, I just cant decide if they are actually helpful at the moment with what little information we have

I thought it happened over night?

I just double-checked and you're correct. she was posting regularly in the early AM way before night results came out, and has been silenced since then

Her gif restriction seems a little tougher if it's only doctor who related images (unless she's just doing so by choice?). So I'm wondering if it's not 100% a sheep because she can't fully explain herself, but regardless, I'm reserving more concrete judgement until she can start talking again.

These posts^

There was also a post by DubZ that was referring to Shorty/DocE but I misinterpreted as referring to Cray. (it was this post)

Ah but my paranoia says what if it's been staged

Someone said that?

Wait, where did someone say that?

 

[Aprilthearab]

I mean this as lovingly as possible, but I can see cray being a very tempting post restriction candidate based on her volume of posting overall. I'd love to see how post restrictions play out over the next day or two to see how the ability is being utilized across players

Editing to add: if the restriction is also always DW specific then I can also see why cray would be an initial target. Anyway

I see Cray as a very tempting post restriction from a wolfy perspective, and at the moment I can't think of a good reason someone would want to restrict Cray from a village perspective unless they were truly paranoid about her for whatever reason. But I'm not putting it out of the question because the village post restrictor in the last game made some very strange choices.

What do you mean by DW?

 

[Zenge142]

oh i was asking more broadly, didn't mean to limit you to those 2.

Oh I assumed it was just those because of the context.

I posted my other reads here

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Sure. It's mostly leans at this point considering the thread state but:
Wolfy leans:
DocE obviously.
Cray I don't feel good about, but it's possible it's a pocketing situation.
Alissa: I feel weird about for the vote switching, but since I've also seen her get misyeeted for that, I'm a little gun shy to push there.
Cyndia: I don't feel good about her lack of thread presence given this is how she wolfed in Bioshock.

Village leans:
Alley: I feel good about having just wolfed with her, so leaning village.
Shorty: Village leaning. Typical Shorty village play.
Dubz: Village lean, but if April flips village, it'll be worth reevaluating.
Dina and you AM: Village leaning, but more from feels than content.

Everyone else is pretty neutral.

It’s mostly leans. I don’t have a good handle on a lot of people so far. I feel like there’s a large lack of meaningful content from the majority of players.

What’s your plethora of ears looking like?

 

[alleycat03]

Agreed, and I think a better question is what affiliation the post restrictor might be and why they chose Cray.

Last game, the post restrictor was village even though many people thought it could be a wolf ability. I think its possible they could have either affiliation (or even 3P).

 

[supershorty]

These posts^

There was also a post by DubZ that was referring to Shorty/DocE but I misinterpreted as referring to Cray. (it was this post)

Oh, so it was that post by Dubz? Because the other quotes you pulled don't look to me like they're saying she might be faking it.

 

[alleycat03]

I wonder if the restriction applies to PMs too

From my experience (with KD as the mod), wolf chat was not affected, but the restriction did apply to PMs. So I'm not sure there's any way for us to know unless Cray tells us.

 

[alleycat03]

Oh, so it was that post by Dubz? Because the other quotes you pulled don't look to me like they're saying she might be faking it.

Yes! It was the people who thought she randomly got post restricted in the middle of the day PLUS I saw DubZ's comment (and didn't see what she was responding to) that made me think that. So I was a bit confused on why it was brought up. Regardless, I doubt it was faked because that just doesn't seem like something Cray would do, as I explained above.

 

[genny]

Oh I assumed it was just those because of the context.

I posted my other reads here
It’s mostly leans. I don’t have a good handle on a lot of people so far. I feel like there’s a large lack of meaningful content from the majority of players.

What’s your plethora of ears looking like?

a bunch of righties with no matches.
too many people not talking. but of those who have, i want to put shorty, docE, AM, cray, April as more village.

 

[Dinashadow]

Dina, how are you feeling about alley now that she's made some more content-related posts?

I'm leaning her village. Her play seems very different than bioshock

 

[Zenge142]

a bunch of righties with no matches.
too many people not talking. but of those who have, i want to put shorty, docE, AM, cray, April as more village.

So other than me do you have anyone you’re wolf reading?

 

[Dinashadow]

I see Cray as a very tempting post restriction from a wolfy perspective, and at the moment I can't think of a good reason someone would want to restrict Cray from a village perspective unless they were truly paranoid about her for whatever reason. But I'm not putting it out of the question because the village post restrictor in the last game made some very strange choices.

Yeah I think it's hard to glean affiliation based on restriction choices. The post restrictor could have just chosen cray because of salt from last game.

 

[vetmedhead]

I see Cray as a very tempting post restriction from a wolfy perspective, and at the moment I can't think of a good reason someone would want to restrict Cray from a village perspective unless they were truly paranoid about her for whatever reason. But I'm not putting it out of the question because the village post restrictor in the last game made some very strange choices.

What do you mean by DW?

DW = doctor who, cray is a well known fan of the show

I do agree that it is very difficult to play post restrictor in a village way although the ability has been assigned across multiple affiliations before. Someone non-wolfy targeting her I think would largely be doing it from the selfish end of wanting to maybe make it slightly faster to catch up on thread lol. Again, said as lovingly as possible

Can't think of good reasoning for silencing her this early out of the gate. But interpreting ability use is usually something that takes longer and it's not generally as useful to speculate on whether it's v/w based on one data point, and definitely less useful than actual player posts and play

 

[The_Breadmann]

N

This and so many reasons

Not super helpful

 

[Barkley13]

N

Not super helpful

Why are you just commenting on crays posts?