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oh god. you youngin's.

what the **** is a 'yeet cycle' or a 'yeet vote'.

Friggen gen z (and yes, youre still gen z in my mind regardless of your actual age if you use yeet unironically)

OMG, you are so old. It's obviously a lynch vote.

Duh.

Don't go look in the last game where I asked the same thing.
 
I can't think of a good reason someone would want to restrict Cray from a village perspective unless they were truly paranoid about her for whatever reason
I can think of at least one village reason to restrict her. I want to avoid spelling it out on thread for now, but just want to note that I don’t think there’s anything indicating the post restrictor’s affiliation yet.
 
Sunny and meats. I don't feel great about cray but holding on that until she can talk. Cyndia is floating around in there too.
Yeah, after having wolfed with Cyndia in Bioshock, that’s been on my mind too. It’s very similar, but I’m not sure if that’s just how she plays or if it’s more indicative of wolfing for her.

@alleycat03 what are your thoughts on Cyndia, having just wolfed with her.
 
Day One - Green and Pleasant Land - Vote Tally

Capri () -
AM (1) - Ms P
Stagg (0) -
Sporty (0) -
Cray (0) -
Alissa (1) - Barks
Zenge (3) - genny, sunshine, cray
DocE (5) - April, Dina, zenge, alleycat, Shorty
April (1) - Dubz
Shorty (1) - DocE
Ms P (2) - bobloblaw, AM

@DocEspana you are in the lead
14/28 players voting... somehow we are going backwards?
Voting closes in 10 hrs
 
Sunny's recent posts are bothering me a bit, because she seems reluctant to share/expand on her thoughts. Not sure if normal D1 Sunny though.

The other part is that I'm not really seeing the zenge vote. Nothing he's said has struck me as wolf!zenge yet. The only thing I've noticed is he's been quieter compared to normal, but I think that's NAI because he was pretty active last game as a wolf. I didn't really see his posts as defending shorty, and he has provided reads on others when asked.
 
(Only bc you asked)

DocE seems to be testing the waters some but I’m thinking just his personality at this point.

As a fellow procrastinator, I’m not sure I would ask for PM and extra duties unless there was ulterior motive 👀 MrsP

at this point I would think most wolves would be lying low with one or two trying to endear Themselves to village.

disclaimer: first game so trying to read the situation and learn/lay low

It won't be a game until this happens, so.....

DocE's folksy jokiness isn't in line with his past. He's usually arrogant and bossy. Not funny and jokey.

What I can't decide is whether it's AI, not having played in a while, or his new wife/fiance (??) has broken him.
 
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From the southern white cliffs of Dover to the mottled heather on the northern moors, a blanket of peace descended upon England's green and pleasant land. A quiet night, a chance for contemplation, inquiry and repose in anticipation of the struggles to come.



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In London, the new Prime Minister stepped out of the coach in front of 10 Downing Street -- and with shoulders squared and a very deep breath -- proceeded through the front door.
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Somewhere in the forest of memory, a slight-framed boy in a page uniform jogged through a dappled wood, muttering under his breath as he ran. As he weaved through a grove of large oak trees, a beam of focused sunlight caught his eye, reflecting off an object with what looked like a glint of metal. Curious, he stopped running and walked towards the clearing. Situated under the beam of light was a sword embedded deep into a boulder. How odd, the boy thought to himself, but how convenient! He grasped the hilt with both hands and braced his foot against the stone. As he gave a yank, the sword slid so easily out from its resting place that he toppled backwards, his gangly legs tripping over roots and dried leaves, and he fell in a twisted heap. As he stood, he hefted the blade and tried out a swing. The sword was too large for him to easily wield, but felt warm in his grip as he shifted it from one hand to the other. He tested the edge and instantly slit the skin on his thumb. Not even a dulled edge from the weather, he puzzled. No matter-- he was already late in getting back, and there would be hell to pay if he didn't sprint. He took off in the direction from whence he came, the sword tucked awkwardly under his arms as he ran.

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In fair Verona, where we lay our scene,
A count for votes is off by sleight of hand,
The search for mayor blocked by a queen,
We pray she still rules strongly o'er the lands

Alas, monarchy falls when wolves abound
Long slender teeth want not for greens nor tortes
When hunger strikes it's village they surround
And queens cannot rule lands with empty courts

Here documented is an ode to death,
A humble shroud of flesh and blood and ink,
Upon the stage, here each our own MacBeth
Who occupied this skull in hand, you think?

Today as night falls fast the games begin

And now the challenge: who is foe or kin?

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It is now Day One.
Voting will conclude at 9pm on Monday, March 29th


Ok, now that's just cool.

If this game doesn't end with me slicing off DocE's head with Excalibur I am going to be really disappointed.
 
Still appreciate devils advocate
That’s not devil’s advocate (I assume what you mean by that is samac pointing out a time cray misread her village to counter cray saying she can read samac pretty well); samac is saying that cray read her well until getting to deadchat, i.e. supporting the point that cray can feel comfortable she would be able to identify if samac is wolfing. It doesn’t really matter to this game whether cray can correctly wolfread samac from deadchat, lol.

Likely just a misinterpretation of samac’s post while speed reading to catch up, but could be an intentional misinterpretation to give samac village points.
 
Other than Alissa, who are you wolf reading currently?
When did I say I was wolf reading alissa? I haven't decided where I want to move my vote yet but you've been sketching me out, april was sketchy early on yesterday but her later posts yesterday were slightly better, sunshine is sketchy, bread is sketchy with how all his posts are about someone who can't respond so it looks like he's just trying to look like he's participating, and then a lot of people have been too quiet to tell
I’d love to see more from you as well
Same to you
 
oust april

SDN WILL NOT LET ME UNBOLD AND IT'S ANNOYING. I FINALLY GOT IT TO WORK BUT I'M LEAVING MY ANGER HERE.


Her logic feels contrived to me. Granted, there are a ton of you (April included) that I've never played with before and this may or may not be just normal behavior.


Is "oust" acceptable and non-confusing? 😛

Sigh.

Ok.

I will be the grumpy asshat and just say it...

... I find it really confusing to try and skim through and decipher "lynch" and "yeet" and "yeti" and "unalive" and "oust" and god knows what else is coming.

Seriously. I get that it's cute. But for people who are trying their best to play and keep up ... can we just keep it straightforward?

I literally saw "oust april" and thought "****, was there some other election than PM that I missed" and then realized what it meant.
 
Mine was all salt.

I don't really care about your vote (no offense), because as PM you're going to be role-seer'd and alignment-seer'd and followed 6 ways to Sunday. Your villageryness is, by D2 or thereabouts, a forgone conclusion until conversion is a topic.

Barring obvious mechanisms to hide.

Mostly I was just annoyed at the barrage of lynch votes with no explanation.
 
Okay off to another run. Wife wants me living that healthy life

In what will come as a pleasant change of pace, I'll keep stuff short

Cray: always plays crazy. Her name is apros pos. Or however that's spelled. I know that historically she does tend to support my votes a lot and that makes me rather blind to her being a wolf. With all of that said, I don't think she is being wolfy. I think I have a good argument and she tends to trust me at baseline (as much as one can) and is supporting an argument. The fact that she has a post restriction and I spell out my thoughts at length and repeatedly helps. I'd say give her a pass until she has time to talk.

Zenge: there is honestly a catch 22 where if I know I'm innocent and I know if my argument is sound (it is but people try to misrepresent it as alternatingly more and less than it is), then anyone critiquing it too harshly is going to draw my ire. I think their take on me is baffling and perhaps a rookie wolf overplaying their hand but I also am not going to switch just because "it's convenient" or because of that. It feels too retaliatory and I want to take time to actually reread what they've posted and see if I really feel it. Wife is gonna make that hard. Will do it as I can whenever the wife isn't looking.

shorty: I still believe in my prior point that this is the person who it would hurt the least to lose from the limited sample of day zero and 1. Not moving from it yet.

everyone else: I'm the inventor of the spreadsheet on people. Everyone is in there but it does me and the village at a whole no good for me to speak about my suspicions this early because it really is just a jumble of noise mixed with signal this early and I don't need to let wolves be able to strategize in a way that weaponizes me or dissuades me.
 
Sigh.

Ok.

I will be the grumpy asshat and just say it...

... I find it really confusing to try and skim through and decipher "lynch" and "yeet" and "yeti" and "unalive" and "oust" and god knows what else is coming.

Seriously. I get that it's cute. But for people who are trying their best to play and keep up ... can we just keep it straightforward?

I literally saw "oust april" and thought "****, was there some other election than PM that I missed" and then realized what it meant.

Wasn't trying to be cute tbh and I'm happy to just use vote if it will make life easier. I never even had an issue with old terminology but I respect that others did.. But I'm not jumping on the y train and I was largely using oust bc I thought it was more clearly different from the election than vote which is a little more general.
 
Wasn't trying to be cute tbh and I'm happy to just use vote if it will make life easier. I never even had an issue with old terminology but I respect that others did.. But I'm not jumping on the y train and I was largely using oust bc I thought it was more clearly different from the election than vote which is a little more general.

Sorry Finnick. It was not specifically directed at you. It was directed at the large number of variations, all done 1000% for the sake of being cutesy, which doesn't really serve to add anything to the game.

... and I'm tired from the weekend, and grumpy, and really just wanting to go to bed, but if I do that I'll likely never get caught up and miss the cycle completely. I'm just trying to wade through things and make a halfway informed decision.
 
Okay, back to this

This feels like a lot of stretchy words to talk about only a couple people. Sounds like he wants to make up for not being super present on the thread up until now. "Hey look, I'm being busy doing villagey things!" It reads very similarly to the very pingy post in the bioshock game that helped me wolf read him D1. I haven't read his most recent wall post yet so I can't say if that gives off the same vibes.

Thinking of pack mates D1, although not inherently bad, is just giving me bad feels when we haven't had a single death yet.

I don't think Cray and DocE are wolfing together. Their interactions read more like old friends than it does wolfy. I don't think two wolves would be this openly buddy-buddy on the thread. Seems too dangerous.

1) April is much more involved than previously, unless I'm confusing her with someone else. I read it as being more interested in the game, not wolfy.

2) Disagree regarding Zenge, as already stated. That barf'd villager.

3) Agree that Cray/DocE are interacting like historic players. Disagree that it means anything regarding alignment.

4) Agree (with previous posters) that Shorty/DocE are not w/w.

5) I really don't think DocE is wolfy.

6) I'm not sure about Shorty (neutral).
 
Weird because you were on yesterday, just not posting.
I think whether lurking is AI is very individual to the player. I know my amount of reading/reacting without posting is just based on when I have time to read but not post. Does anyone remember if Bread tended to lurk during apocalypse when wolfing (iirc his only wolfing so far)?
 
I wanna know the point of the teapot.
I think at this point everyone knows I really like to mechanic solve, don’t get me wrong I’m keeping up with interactions.

I feel like I missed something. Where was the teapot mentioned? I've seen you mention it a couple times ... and I clearly missed it somewhere.

I can go back tomorrow, maybe, and look. Just not gonna do it today. Or you can fill me in. Either way.
 
Sunny and meats. I don't feel great about cray but holding on that until she can talk. Cyndia is floating around in there too.
I wanted to circle back to this part about Sunny.

Usually when she’s playing as a villager, if she’s asked for her reads, she’s always eager and ready to post a screen shot of her Excel spread sheet, complete with reasons for her reads.

When asked for her reads this game she gave us this:
Besides those, I have limited reads because it’s early and there’s 62729 million people.

Visc, Finnick, cray, and Enigma are village leans for me.

zenge is wolf lean as I said with my vote.
With no deductions or reasoning. Definitely not what we usually see from Village!Sunny. That’s off to me.
 
I feel like I missed something. Where was the teapot mentioned? I've seen you mention it a couple times ... and I clearly missed it somewhere.

I can go back tomorrow, maybe, and look. Just not gonna do it today. Or you can fill me in. Either way.
SAR says she had a tea pot, and that Night 0, it was stolen from her
 
Players who have been low key ghosting for multiple days, for example....

@SportPonies @The_Breadmann @Stagg737 @LetItSnow

will be in a world of hurt of their own making when they realize they have missed ~1000 posts

R.I.P.

I'm starting to wish I had kept ghosting......

So far the game has consisted of a butt hurt argument about the value of villager-listing, a butt hurt argument about whether two people can read English, my own butt hurt comments about "lynch" "yeet" "yeti" "oust" "unlive" etc, and .... a handful of relatively newer-ish players actually trying to play (kudos to you guys).
 
Good morning. Updating some reads, but as others have noted, some people have posted so little (or so little content) that I don't have reads on them yet. Spoilered for easier scrolling. Edited to finish it after I got out of meetings since I, as usual, got wordy and didn't finish it before they started.

samac - I was village leaning her before she was elected based on content but also on tone. She's enthusiastic all the time, that in itself is NAI, but when she was wolfing, she was a little more deliberate with her wording and a little more cautious. She feels more like she felt in Bioshock (where she was a neutral, but a very pro-village neutral)

alley - I might regret this because my read success rate on alley is abysmal, but I feel like her later posts yesterday were much more content and gamesolving than I've seen her do in the past (as a villager OR as a wolf). When she was wolfing, she pulled a lot of quotes and posted screenshots of a spreadsheet, but it wasn't all that substantial when it came to the actual content within them. This feels much more genuine.

Dubz - tonally she's felt like village!Dubz to me, particularly when she called out that post of April's that pinged her (it pinged me too). @WildZoo , how do you feel about April today?

TME - like I said yesterday, the hedginess and liking to talk about mechanics is what I've seen from her as a villager a lot. I haven't seen her wolf - I'm not sure if she even has wolfed before - but so far, she feels like village!TME.

genny - so far, genny has felt like village!genny to me both in her tone and in the information she does/doesn't post on thread. I feel like in previous games, village!genny and I tended to get into fites relatively early on, and that hasn't happened yet, but those were generally started by my pressing her for reads that she didn't want to give yet.

Barks - Barks hasn't posted a ton, but the tone and the way she probes people feels very similar to her play in Bioshock (where she was village).
April - April had some posts early on that pinged me (the same ones that Dubz was pinged by), but her more recent posts have felt more like village!April to me. Historically, my D1 read of April is wrong, so I while I want to lean her village, I'm leaving her in neutrals for now until I have another day or so to look at her posts.

AM - last couple games have taught me that I'm not as good at reading AM as I thought I was. Getting villagey vibes from her asking questions and from pressure votes.

Dina - feels like village!Dina so far but also felt like village!Dina to me when she was wolfing until late in the game.

Zenge - Z hasn't posted all that much this game, but I think that's NAI (I also know he's been super busy IRL so I'm not holding the fewer posts against him). When he was wolfing in Bioshock, he village read April and then when she called him out on that being odd, really went on the offensive toward her. He's not feeling that way to me in this game so far. Z can be an easy misyeet because while he can be a strong villager, he also has had games where he starts off seeming wolfy because he doesn't always think through how something is going to sound before he says it. I'm not getting wolfy pings from him right now.

mkg - feeling similar to her other games, where she was village. She hasn't been a super prolific poster (which is consistent with her other games), but her more recent posts have felt more like game solving than her early ones.

LIS - so far his tone and the things he's pointing out feel similar to how he played in Bioshock (which is the only game I've played with him). He was neutral then and I'm leaving him as neutral for now.

BobLoblaw - has struck me so far as a noob (who studied up before the game) making a good effort, although the comment about MsP not wolfing was weird. Probable misinterpretation because I don't feel like wolf chat would have told him to say something incorrect that would be verified so easily.

finn - differences in thoughts on WW strategy don't make me village or wolf lean someone. Those seem NAI (have never played with finn though). Leaving neutral for now.

alissa - alissa has actually been more active in this game than the other games that I've played with her, and I feel like she's been a little more willing to give reads. In other games, she came across as wolfy to me but then flipped village, but I haven't really gotten wolfy feelings from her in this game so far, at least not ones that have felt different from the things I misread in previous games.

Vissy - the timing of Vissy's post about wolves hiding by not voting and passing as royals pinged me on D0, just because it was early on and very few people had voted because of that. The content of the post itself wasn't as pingy to me as the timing - it would have made more sense to me if we'd been near the end of voting and a bunch of people were missing, but we weren't. That being said, the content of her later posts has seemed villagey. However, when Vissy wolfed and I was village, I had her solidly in my village bloc until the end, so I feel like I can't move her out of neutrals yet.

vmh - I got pings from the comments about TME and the mechanics, but that's mostly because I'm 99% sure that role class mechanics haven't come up in any games that TME has played. I haven't seen them before either, so that might be biasing me a little in how I viewed that interaction, but it didn't strike me as wolfy at all that TME wouldn't know/understand that much about them. That's the only thing that pinged me so far though

SAR and MsP have both really dropped off in posting since the PM vote, which feels weird.

DocE - the amount of twisting what I was saying yesterday feels either wolfy or like a villager extremely committed to a misyeet tunnel. That is why I'm voting him. It's disingenuous at best and destructive to the village at worst. I didn't like how he kept trying to call me out for things I supposedly didn't do that I obviously did (like saying I didn't quote him...), nor do I care for the attitude of "I'm the greatest gift to WW and you're stupid." I have him on ignore at this point so that I can stay more focused on the rest of the game, so if he's done a 180 or at least started contributing more to wolf hunting or village bloc building, great. Maybe the culture of WW has changed and things have become politer (because none of the games that I've played featured that kind of play), but I don't find it fun to play with people who act like dickheads with pride. Given that at least to the point where I put him on ignore, he hadn't actually contributed anything to village efforts because he was so fixated on me, I don't think he's playing in a particularly pro-village way.

Cray - I really don't want to think that Cray is wolfing in this game and like I said yesterday, I'm willing to let the blind sheeping of DocE (or quoting literally anyone who said anything about me other than a village read) sit and see what she has to say when she's using words again because I don't think she would wolf that way. I don't think her sussing me based on feeling my tone is different or that I'm throwing shade is wolfy - as mentioned multiple times at this point, she's said the tone thing in literally every game I've played with her past the first one, and she's said the shade thing before too. Every single time she's said that, I've been village (and 3/4 times that she's said that previously, she also has been village). I have her in my POE because of the sheeping, but I don't expect that she'll stay here. I think it's more likely that she's just, to use one of her phrases, living in DocE's butt than wolfing.

sunny - sunny often starts out in my POE. sunny also usually starts out kind of tunneling on Zenge (has happened in multiple games), so I'm not sure that's really AI. I do think there have been a couple of instances where her logic is questionable - I don't know why she keeps pushing this idea that Zenge only gave reads on 2 people when he posted a reads list with brief explanations yesterday. She did give me an explanation for her vote switch, although I still am a little puzzled about why, if she wanted to swing the vote that way, she didn't try to get genny to go back on DocE with her, since that would have brought the final tally closer to mattering (since at the time, no one knew that neither SAR nor DocE would win). Her frustration in her more recent posts does feel like village!sunny. I would not be willing to put my vote here today, I want to see more.

I feel like I need to see more from Sporty, Bread, capri, and Stagg before I can even begin to have reads on them. Stagg has posted a few times since I started working on this post again, but I don't know that he's caught up to the current gamestate since he focused on pretty early events. Cyndia also hasn't posted much, and what she has posted hasn't felt all that different from what I saw in Bioshock (only game I've played with her). She was wolfing in that game, but many of her posts felt villagey to me, so I'm struggling with how to interpret them in this game. I have her neutral for now, but not with a strong enough feeling to put her in the list.

I haven't played at all with a few people on the roster, and a handful of others, I've only played with once, so I'm sure reads will change as I get a better idea of people's playstyles.
 
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I feel like I missed something. Where was the teapot mentioned? I've seen you mention it a couple times ... and I clearly missed it somewhere.

I can go back tomorrow, maybe, and look. Just not gonna do it today. Or you can fill me in. Either way.
Sar had it stolen night 0 and I’m tinfoiling and would very much like to know who did it.
 
Sar had it stolen night 0 and I’m tinfoiling and would very much like to know who did it.

here’s a little teaser, it’s all based on my England knowledge and popular pop culture and I’m pretty sure whoever did it is village and I think they have a wolfy counterpart in the north. So if they could just like shoot me a hint of who they are I’d appreciate that.
 
here’s a little teaser, it’s all based on my England knowledge and popular pop culture and I’m pretty sure whoever did it is village and I think they have a wolfy counterpart in the north. So if they could just like shoot me a hint of who they are I’d appreciate that.
Well, if you think it's village, probably better to keep a PR off the thread since wolves are actively seeking them out.
 
I'm not going to put my vote on Zenge today. Although I feel like his posts have been pingy, I'm starting to think I was letting some of the last game's sus roll over into this one. I feel a lot less strongly about him wolfing this game than I did last game. He hasn't come after me at all as opposed to the last game when he got really heated any time I put any kind of pressure on him. There has been a little bit of fluff but not really the hedginess I remember.

He's a great villager when he's a villager and I want more of a reason to yeet him if I'm going to do that. Last game I would have gladly flipped him D1 but this time I'm a lot less confident it wouldn't be a misyeet. And that would be a horrible misyeet if it is, and a great asset to wolves.

Would much rather see a DocE flip.

Maybe I'm just being overly nostalgic and don't want a DocE lynch D1, but I really don't understand it. As best I can tell, everyone's beef is DocE's <style> rather than anything substantive to say that they think he's wolfing.

Not liking style would mean voting AM every day of the week. I don't see people doing that....

If DocE flips village like I think, some of the people on the DocE lynch are guaranteed wolves taking advantage of an easy place to squat.
 
Maybe I'm just being overly nostalgic and don't want a DocE lynch D1, but I really don't understand it. As best I can tell, everyone's beef is DocE's <style> rather than anything substantive to say that they think he's wolfing.

Not liking style would mean voting AM every day of the week. I don't see people doing that....

If DocE flips village like I think, some of the people on the DocE lynch are guaranteed wolves taking advantage of an easy place to squat.
I don't mind style differences. DocE is beyond a style difference at this point, and I elaborated earlier today that you'll come across in your reading.
 
Well, if you think it's village, probably better to keep a PR off the thread since wolves are actively seeking them out.
I just got a little write up when I left about a party and seeing my friends of the north interacting with each other and leaving the north that leads me to there’s a wolf left in the north and if I can get some kind of tip off I can remove that person out of my POE.
I wish I still had my PMs from the north lol.
 
I mean, he already showed why he thought that (from a misinterpreted post) before MsP even said this.

Well that sucks, because I was about to plop a vote down on him because of it. I'm not going to go find the vote, but since you clearly think it dealt with the issue I'll let it slide. It was a weak point anyway, but since most D1 votes are weak I was ok with a vote there.
 
I just got a little write up when I left about a party and seeing my friends of the north interacting with each other and leaving the north that leads me to there’s a wolf left in the north and if I can get some kind of tip off I can remove that person out of my POE.
I wish I still had my PMs from the north lol.
Could you elaborate more on the connection between this? Because it looks like everyone is still in the north from last cycle.
 
Well that sucks, because I was about to plop a vote down on him because of it. I'm not going to go find the vote, but since you clearly think it dealt with the issue I'll let it slide. It was a weak point anyway, but since most D1 votes are weak I was ok with a vote there.
Yeah, it was these quotes:
This was the post that made me think that she had never been a wolf. (I was worried I had misstated).
Hold on. MsP has only played a few games since you and I have started playing WW, and she's been village every time. You and I have never seen her wolf. What makes you so confident in your read of her?
 
Could you elaborate more on the connection between this? Because it looks like everyone is still in the north from last cycle.
I meant me leaving the north, sorry if that wasn’t clear. There was write up about a party in my honor and it included some things that made me question of a certain character was in the game and I googled where their home is and turns out its northern England.
 
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