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Animal Midwife said:
It's a combination of discomfort from voting so late (due to lack of wolfreads?), mentioning April could be fake claiming, followed by saying she move if a better wagon option came up.
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The april could be fake claiming was also something I was concerned about, so I can’t call it inherently wolfy.
We’d kind of laid out that the sheriff was in the game and if I was going to fake claim I would pick Robinhood.
 
WildZoo said:
That last part is probably what would bothers me most. I don't blame her for the fake claim bit since I had the same possibility in my head.

I am kind of uncomfy with the people voting for her though, outside of sunny.

Any idea how you're feeling about cyndia?
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The slightest of village leans because her reaction to Vis saying this stuff in the moment last cycle felt similar to what I was feeling. This is mainly dependent on what Vis's affiliation is though.
 
Day Two - Keep Calm and WW On - Vote Tally

AM (0) -
Alissa (1) - AM
Zenge (1) - Cray
Bobloblaw (1) - Ms P
Viscernable (4) - dina, cyndia, capri, sunshine
LIS (1) -
Mayo (0) -
Sunshine (1) - LIS
DocEspana (1) - Mayo
WZ (1) - DocE
Dina (1) - samac
Finn (1) - genny
Ms P (1) - viscernable
MKG (3) - barks, zenge, Dubz

16/24 players voting
Voting closes in < 7 hours

*Please check your votes...I feel as though my tally might be off*
 
genny said:
i don't like this post. it's disingenuous. mkg was asked to comment on the people up for the vote, which is why the analysis was fairly limited.
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I mean, that’s technically true, but I’m saying this is the most comprehensive reads list we’ve gotten and it’s sparse.
 
genny said:
i don't like this post. it's disingenuous. mkg was asked to comment on the people up for the vote, which is why the analysis was fairly limited.
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Also, tell me this is the MKG you remember playing with in Goats. Tell me this is the MKG you played with in Bioshock. Because it really doesn’t seem like it. Not even close.
 
I’m checking in from the barn again, just a quick update:
I have my notes for my Alissa iso on my laptop, and I have not gotten to her interactions with AM yet, but so far she seems pro-village.
for everyone thinking that I’m inactive, your correct, I spread myself a bit thin this week between this, the game night and speed game over the weekend and IRL things going on. I’ve been at the barn since 9 and probably won’t be back home till 5, I had to have the vet out for one of my mares. I will happily share more reads later, but you need to be patient with me if you want more in depth thoughts. I didn’t realize single votes fell under the term wagon yesterday so that’s why I didn’t share my thoughts on those votes. And it honestly drives me crazy that people think it’s weird I’m not playing the same as in ggoats. The same thing came up in bio shock. I don’t think you can consider that my meta as I’d like to think I’ve improved or adjusted my play style since my first game.
 
mkg323 said:
I’m checking in from the barn again, just a quick update:
I have my notes for my Alissa iso on my laptop, and I have not gotten to her interactions with AM yet, but so far she seems pro-village.
for everyone thinking that I’m inactive, your correct, I spread myself a bit thin this week between this, the game night and speed game over the weekend and IRL things going on. I’ve been at the barn since 9 and probably won’t be back home till 5, I had to have the vet out for one of my mares. I will happily share more reads later, but you need to be patient with me if you want more in depth thoughts. I didn’t realize single votes fell under the term wagon yesterday so that’s why I didn’t share my thoughts on those votes. And it honestly drives me crazy that people think it’s weird I’m not playing the same as in ggoats. The same thing came up in bio shock. I don’t think you can consider that my meta as I’d like to think I’ve improved or adjusted my play style since my first game.
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I'd be interested in hearing which posts you're referring to. I feel like >75% of all of her posts have been interactions with me or about me.
 
Crayola227 said:
This pings me. Weird logic. Don't question or point out sketchy behavior because then the wolves will cover it up? I mean, sure, but if you never accuse anyone of being suspicious, how are you ever gonna lunch them?

Trying to decide if noob comment or a nooby wolf finding it hard to find things to say.
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This is why I don’t delete stuff from my notes. Like when I said Z was only making theme joke posts, and then he stopped. Well, maybe he stopped because it was highlighted? Maybe not. But that’s why I just add stuff to my earlier notes. I agree with you Cray about obviously you can’t just not comment on it. This just reminded me to explain why my notes still have earlier observations.
DocEspana said:
Wildzoo
Mgk
sunnyFL.

Anyone have feel particularly suspicious on any of them. I think one of them needs to die. Unfortunately at work so can't explain it a ton. Also my reasoning is, honestly, VERY much a gut feeling and just a combination of all my "positive and negative" tallies after learning some identities on the spreadsheet. So let's leave it at I don't believe telemarketing kill was random or on a whim.

Aka I am willing to listen to others opinions to a degree on this because I know I *want* WZ dead but mgk makes more sense to me likelihood wise (but only slightly) and sunnyFL is acting very odd but idk her from a hole in the wall but we already had that one odd interaction.
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I know you could call WIFOM, but why would I want her killed when I had her as pretty solid village?
 
Zenge142 said:
Cray, this is the kind of lazy play that you’re doing this game that irks me.

I didn’t answer “Dubz question with a question” and then not answer. Dubz wasn’t talking to me. Dubz was asking Finn about moving off the April vote.

Since I hadn’t seen Dubz talk much about other wolf reads besides April, and was questioning Finn for moving off the vote, I wanted to know if Dubz had any other wolf reads and what they were.

Manufacturing shade on me by claiming I wasn’t answering a question is disingenuous.
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I don't know what the duck you mean by lazy play but that kind of talk towards me needs to stop pronto

I'm a ducking human being Zenge and when I'm trying to play at 2 am mistakes will be made.

Calling me lazy was about the rudest and wrongest thing you could have said about me.
 
Zenge142 said:
Cray, this is the kind of lazy play that you’re doing this game that irks me.

I didn’t answer “Dubz question with a question” and then not answer. Dubz wasn’t talking to me. Dubz was asking Finn about moving off the April vote.

Since I hadn’t seen Dubz talk much about other wolf reads besides April, and was questioning Finn for moving off the vote, I wanted to know if Dubz had any other wolf reads and what they were.

Manufacturing shade on me by claiming I wasn’t answering a question is disingenuous.
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Zenge it's especially rude for you to say that given my level of participation and the fact you village read me already.

Unlike you, I don't have to straight manufacture crap out of thin air to try to shade people when I wolf and get myself yeeted for being that transparent. That's a you thing.
 
I don't really feel great about this now but in the interest of transparency not gonna delete this. It's not very nice and not very relevant.

I wasn't planning on being that rude to you about what a crappy wolf out you had last game and what a burden it was, since it was your first time, but if the only way you can deal with how wolfy you're acting now is to sling crappy insults that don't even apply to me, then you can hear it.

You created so much extra work for me that game, that to hear you call me lazy rn is really ducking rich.
 
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genny said:
i've played with shorty before, and she seemed village to me. and genuinely upset by your shenanigans.
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That wasn't what I asked and I need to get to the bottom of this one asap because I wotn have time when work is over (wife's best friends birthday is immediately after work).

unvote WZ
vote genny

I'm not *just* flipping around. There is something under-pinning this, but I need to hear genny's reasoning on mayo before deciding if my vote should go there or stay here.
 
DocEspana said:
That wasn't what I asked and I need to get to the bottom of this one asap because I wotn have time when work is over (wife's best friends birthday is immediately after work).

unvote WZ
vote genny

I'm not *just* flipping around. There is something under-pinning this, but I need to hear genny's reasoning on mayo before deciding if my vote should go there or stay here.
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Dude what? shorty is mayo.
 
Crayola227 said:
I don't know what the duck you mean by lazy play but that kind of talk towards me needs to stop pronto

I'm a ducking human being Zenge and when I'm trying to play at 2 am mistakes will be made.

Calling me lazy was about the rudest and wrongest thing you could have said about me.
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Fine. I’m sorry if my comment was over the line, and you were hurt by it.

I’m tired of the rudeness that’s gone on in this game. I’m certainly not blameless as we can see here, but you’ve contributed to a lot of it too.

I’m not going to engage with this further or respond to your other posts about this or about the last game. I don’t think it’s going to be productive or polite.

You’re right that I am reading you as village. Strongly in fact. You’ll notice I haven’t actually tried to shade you, or suggest you’re wolfing for quite a while now. I hope you can re-evaluate some of your reads without this unpleasantness clouding your judgment.
 
sunshinefl said:
This is why I don’t delete stuff from my notes. Like when I said Z was only making theme joke posts, and then he stopped. Well, maybe he stopped because it was highlighted? Maybe not. But that’s why I just add stuff to my earlier notes. I agree with you Cray about obviously you can’t just not comment on it. This just reminded me to explain why my notes still have earlier observations.

I know you could call WIFOM, but why would I want her killed when I had her as pretty solid village?
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A feeling. Its obviously impossible to tell random kills from targeted kills but that kill *felt* targeted based on their play. They were clearly not above the suspicion of others yet ended up wolf killed anyway. Multiple people who have been thrown around as potential wolves shared a location with them and that would be the sort of role where you might imply to a chat partner that youre 'someone important' and get your @$$ smoked by the wolf you told it to overnight. Its a feeling. But I'm much more interested in this genny/mayo stuff now, so this can be a back boiler issue.
 
Zenge142 said:
Fine. I’m sorry if my comment was over the line, and you were hurt by it.

I’m tired of the rudeness that’s gone on in this game. I’m certainly not blameless as we can see here, but you’ve contributed to a lot of it too.

I’m not going to engage with this further or respond to your other posts about this or about the last game. I don’t think it’s going to be productive or polite.

You’re right that I am reading you as village. Strongly in fact. You’ll notice I haven’t actually tried to shade you, or suggest you’re wolfing for quite a while now. I hope you can re-evaluate some of your reads without this unpleasantness clouding your judgment.
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Yeah, sorry, I redacted that comment into spoilers. I'm sorry. The word lazy is one of my triggers.
 
Animal Midwife said:
Dude what? shorty is mayo.
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doesnt change my vote anyway. Mayo only posted 3 times all game. The issue being that literally ZERO of their posts have been about anything. They made a gif pointing out there are a lot of posts. An apology for not being caught up. and a "still not caught up but lynch DocE" vote.

except theyve been posting responses to the thread all day in upvote format. So I've been able to watch them work their way through the thread. So why would genny comment on them seeming villager if they havent played in literally any manner at all. I wondered if I caught a wolf covering for a wolf or maybe a villager just being lazy. but a positive affirmation in that manner makes me think that a wolf forgot that another wolf hasnt posted on the thread.

I guess if I find out they have two usernames and post under a different username? Maybe. but under holdthemayo? Four total posts, one coming before the game actually 'began'. Could mayo also be a wolf? Eh by the corrolary. but I dont want to punish them for disliking 20 of my posts throughout the course of the day today. I want to target the person who just said twice that a person who has had zero posts in the thread of any merit was playing very villager to them.

edit: it should be mentioned that the lynch DocE post came when they were at about midway through the first lynch round first day as far as "reading the thread". So they posted that not knowing what had happened for a full two days afterwards in the game. going through and reacting to every post in order has a unfortunate habit of letting me know exactly how far youve read.
 
DocEspana said:
doesnt change my vote anyway. Mayo only posted 3 times all game. The issue being that literally ZERO of their posts have been about anything. They made a gif pointing out there are a lot of posts. An apology for not being caught up. and a "still not caught up but lynch DocE" vote.

except theyve been posting responses to the thread all day in upvote format. So I've been able to watch them work their way through the thread. So why would genny comment on them seeming villager if they havent played in literally any manner at all. I wondered if I caught a wolf covering for a wolf or maybe a villager just being lazy. but a positive affirmation in that manner makes me think that a wolf forgot that another wolf hasnt posted on the thread.

I guess if I find out they have two usernames and post under a different username? Maybe. but under holdthemayo? Four total posts, one coming before the game actually 'began'. Could mayo also be a wolf? Eh by the corrolary. but I dont want to punish them for disliking 20 of my posts throughout the course of the day today. I want to target the person who just said twice that a person who has had zero posts in the thread of any merit was playing very villager to them.
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Did you miss Pippy's gigantic post about mayo subbing in for shorty?
 
DocEspana said:
I'm pretty darn sure my interpretation of:

Is the standard one that someone should have. I gathered, after people corrected me, that this "phrasing" is not unusual to pre-vet games and you are used to interpreting this as "each player gets to select someone actively and being selected doesn't count against you." That's fine. But that's not what the above says to someone who isn't familiar with that possible interpretation.
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Fair enough it wasn't obvious, but seems you're smart enough to ask the next question that gets begged about actively opening vs passively.

I don't put it past you to play obtusely to appear more harmless or fangless than you actually are, is my concern.
 
Zenge142 said:
Cray, this is the kind of lazy play that you’re doing this game that irks me.

I didn’t answer “Dubz question with a question” and then not answer. Dubz wasn’t talking to me. Dubz was asking Finn about moving off the April vote.

Since I hadn’t seen Dubz talk much about other wolf reads besides April, and was questioning Finn for moving off the vote, I wanted to know if Dubz had any other wolf reads and what they were.

Manufacturing shade on me by claiming I wasn’t answering a question is disingenuous.
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I will thank you for pointing out that I had that exchange incorrect. I appreciate it and the pressure you put on Dubz.
 
Animal Midwife said:
Did you miss Pippy's gigantic post about mayo subbing in for shorty?
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hmmmm this complicates things. But I do still have issues with shorty. Who is now being covered by mayo (not literally). But interpreting genny thorugh the lens of her opinion on two people is complicated as hell.

unvote genny
return back to work until I have a minute to re-assess.
 
Day Two - Keep Calm and WW On - Vote Tally

AM (0) -
Alissa (1) - AM
Zenge (1) - Cray
Bobloblaw (1) - Ms P
Viscernable (4) - dina, cyndia, capri, sunshine
LIS (1) -
Mayo (0) -
Sunshine (1) - LIS
DocEspana (1) - Mayo
WZ (0) -
Dina (1) - samac
Finn (1) - genny
Ms P (1) - viscernable
MKG (3) - barks, zenge, Dubz
genny (0) -

15/24 players voting
Voting closes in ~5.5 hours

*Please check your votes*
 
Astrology crap you don't have to read
Also sorry guys, my moon (emotional life) is in Aries (the ram, the first and the child of the zodiac) which means I get pissed it's like all consuming and horns come out in a tantrum, and then like 5 seconds later I'm over it (except for betrayal or salt.... Venus in Scorpio and Capricorn chart ruler means I never forgive if it's a real trespass). Anyway in WW the duration of me being completely pissed to totally OK gives even me whiplash.
 
Viscernable said:
I still don’t understand why. I don’t think it’s caught a wolf while I’ve been playing, but it’s been used plenty as a lazy way for wolves to throw sus on villagers with little pushback (I assume because it’s pretty objective whether someone’s been liking but not posting). Closest was Z being called out by chaos in Bioshock, but there were other things to sus him for (lurking wasn’t what made me sus and I don’t think it was for many others) and I honestly still don’t think that was weird - eod is chaotic and villagers lurk trying to keep up, too.
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Jaboo called out him being on around deadline.
 
samac said:
Unyeet AM
Yeet Dina

because as I’m thinking about a comparison with when I last wolfed Dina would come in say a few things and was a relatively low poster and she skated by to end game like that.
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Dina has been pinging me. If I complete a catch up of when I was restricted I will end up pointing out what did it. Part of it is tone, some of it is how she is assigning villager points and when she popped on to shade Alley, who I village lean ftm. (For the moment)
 
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