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It’s a little much but I don’t know if that makes him a wolf. Like I said, he’s being very aggressive towards her.

tbh it doesn’t sound nice so I wasn’t going to comment, but even though I was sometimes cringing, shorty frequently fights with me, and is a disciple of AM, and I philosophically disagree with both of their play styles. So I think you are wrong to say that’s out of character for me not to rush to white knight her like Z did.

No. My point was he’s not really contributing. Just defending his IRL significant other. Don’t think it says much about shorty that he is.
Well I think this post by Sunny supports my read of what happened.
 
You did not say it’s day 1 and tell someone to chill when you’ve been the totally opposite of chill because it’s day 1. Like what now.

Weird because you were on yesterday, just not posting.


Edit, forgot this one. This is my 5th game. That’s not a mechanic I’ve heard of, seems like an easy way for wolves to get extra kills if they just have to guess village for vast majority of people?

Zenge didn’t seem super lurky, but I agree he’s not as active as usual.
the biggest pause I have with him is he’s like the easiest misyeet bait for wolves in the world that wolves will jump on. I mean I got him yeeted when he was jailer and people still thought I was village.
Feels like you keep trying to paint people as lurky. Not sure what I think about that. You might be right, dunno.

And the wolves wouldn't be guessing affiliation like wolf, villager, 3P to get extra kills. More like the other categories which should remain unnamed, but an example I can give is royal since we know that already.
 
Caught up.

unoust April

I'm still keeping an eye here because I stand by my opinion that the initial logic seemed manufactured. I'm feeling better about her posts since though so I can back off for right now.

I'm not sure I understand the Zenge votes.

I do understand the DocE vote but I'm not convinced it's a good initial oust.
This doesn't look good for finn re april and zenge.
 
This pings me. Weird logic. Don't question or point out sketchy behavior because then the wolves will cover it up? I mean, sure, but if you never accuse anyone of being suspicious, how are you ever gonna lunch them?

Trying to decide if noob comment or a nooby wolf finding it hard to find things to say.
During my attempt at speed catching up I was reading reactions a little more closely just because there was more attention drawn to that area, and you happen to scrutinize things the most most of the time.
 
It was this one

Just before this you posted your reasoning, which was saying you could get behind the logic Cray was using for voting for DocE, but overall I didn’t think the logic made any sense. She was acknowledging he was sketchy and didn’t trust him and then voting to give him more power. So your jumping on the vote too pinged me a little bit.
This has been explained 6 ways from Sunday for the record. Mayors tend to get more scrutiny/investigated, DocE has to be investigated or yeeted anyway, and he's a good villager. Those are reasons to vote him despite the possible risks he presents.

You're basically trying to misrepresent me to paint a certain picture of me as sketch and I don't like it.

Don't think I didn't notice you going after me and misrepresenting and twisting things while I was restricted.
 
It wasn't the impression I got from watching from the modlines during Bioshock. Your play feels different to me here. I don't have a long enough meta memory to say if it's typical of your play from the before times.

Short targeted posts are not atypical for me. And I'll note the last time someone tried to shade me for it, it was manufactured wolf nonsense (@samac can confirm). So that doesn't really make me feel better here lol
I did try to manufacture sus on DubZ for her posting style when I wolfed. No one bought it.

@samac .... I open a convo with you and you vanish. I see how it is.

You must be a radiologist. That's how they are. Shoot you a report, and then when you stand there open-jawed wondering which recreational drug they were using when they interpreted your CT/MR and go to call them, you get a message that says their regular hours are 8:16AM to 8:19AM and 4:32PM to 4:35PM, please leave a message and they will get back to you after they return from their 2-week golfing trip to Scotland.
good sir it was after midnight when you opened that PM and while I might have been on then during Bioshock, I was on vacation and 3 time zones behind. I’m asleep by 10:30 now lol

And all those comments about you being open, sure you were throwing down you were big daddy and little sister, but I was trying to get you to say it because you were claiming the role I had. Why would that not be suspicious? Lol

Hahahahahajajaja if someone thought the restriction would lower my post count. Yall are getting more, the pic posts and now words.

But yes, I do LOVE Doctor Who.
You did post wayyyyy less when you were post restricted. I had more posts than you though that time.
 
You can have more. You should have caught that.

I'm pretty darn sure my interpretation of:
In general, you may choose one other player in your location to communicate with via PM. Choose your companions wisely, because unless they (or you) die or are relocated, you will not be able to open additional PMs. Exceptions exist.
[/QUOTE]
Is the standard one that someone should have. I gathered, after people corrected me, that this "phrasing" is not unusual to pre-vet games and you are used to interpreting this as "each player gets to select someone actively and being selected doesn't count against you." That's fine. But that's not what the above says to someone who isn't familiar with that possible interpretation.
 
Wildzoo
Mgk
sunnyFL.

Anyone have feel particularly suspicious on any of them. I think one of them needs to die. Unfortunately at work so can't explain it a ton. Also my reasoning is, honestly, VERY much a gut feeling and just a combination of all my "positive and negative" tallies after learning some identities on the spreadsheet. So let's leave it at I don't believe telemarketing kill was random or on a whim.

Aka I am willing to listen to others opinions to a degree on this because I know I *want* WZ dead but mgk makes more sense to me likelihood wise (but only slightly) and sunnyFL is acting very odd but idk her from a hole in the wall but we already had that one odd interaction.
 
This doesn't really feel like valid criticism to me, because since when does Cyndia pop on and drop a post and discuss a bunch of people or more than the highlights?
She absolutely has given more varied commentary than that when she's caught up in games before, but in any case that wasn't a criticism of cyndia in terms of calling her wolfy, it was a disagreement with the idea that the situation wasn't already monopolizing the thread
 
That you were shading Meathead and now she flips village (as did April) has me a little wigged out)
It shouldn't and you know that. I'm not some great wolfhunter, and games where I land on a wolf before there is at least one other flipped are rare.

I posted my reads in my mod PM to try to keep track, then writeup was posted, and my immediate response to myself was "absolute trash". Is what it is.
 
Wildzoo
Mgk
sunnyFL.

Anyone have feel particularly suspicious on any of them. I think one of them needs to die. Unfortunately at work so can't explain it a ton. Also my reasoning is, honestly, VERY much a gut feeling and just a combination of all my "positive and negative" tallies after learning some identities on the spreadsheet. So let's leave it at I don't believe telemarketing kill was random or on a whim.

Aka I am willing to listen to others opinions to a degree on this because I know I *want* WZ dead but mgk makes more sense to me likelihood wise (but only slightly) and sunnyFL is acting very odd but idk her from a hole in the wall but we already had that one odd interaction.
If WZ is a wolf I’ll be shook and she has me in her furry little pockets.
I don’t have much feelings on mkg. She hasn’t been as active as she has previously but I don’t know if that makes her inherently wolfy.
sunshine I have mixed feelings on. She gets snappy but it’s NAI, though others believe she gets more snappy as village I’m not sure.
 
It shouldn't and you know that. I'm not some great wolfhunter, and games where I land on a wolf before there is at least one other flipped are rare.

I posted my reads in my mod PM to try to keep track, then writeup was posted, and my immediate response to myself was "absolute trash". Is what it is.

I may be letting old feelings cloud my judgement here but this is far too modest and protests too much. "I know I had really suspicious reads but it's just because I'm only so so at this game." You've been around. instincts develop. The game IS very hard day 1, I get that, but that excuse just irks me because it feels like you want to shake any suspicion off of you immediately before it sticks.

Plus. I *want* this vote. So again. Maybe im letting old feelings play. I'll admit. But you're also not a BAD choice by my current estimate of the people in the game. Just gonna lay this vote for you, but I am still open to hearing others discuss the other two.

::Unvote boblob::
::Vote wildzoo::
 
I may be letting old feelings cloud my judgement here but this is far too modest and protests too much. "I know I had really suspicious reads but it's just because I'm only so so at this game." You've been around. instincts develop. The game IS very hard day 1, I get that, but that excuse just irks me because it feels like you want to shake any suspicion off of you immediately before it sticks.

Plus. I *want* this vote. So again. Maybe im letting old feelings play. I'll admit. But you're also not a BAD choice by my current estimate of the people in the game. Just gonna lay this vote for you, but I am still open to hearing others discuss the other two.

::Unvote boblob::
::Vote wildzoo::
:shrug: believe what you want but it is the truth. And I don't think it makes any sense to specifically shade me for voting out a single villager and suspecting another when in all likelihood everyone has done the same thing. Especially since cray has seen me village and be wrong many many times by now.

You may want me gone real real bad but good luck with that. I suggest you readjust your spreadsheet if I'm really the wolfiest player on there. Maybe you've gotten rusty after all.
 
Question with a question. Do not like. It's a fair question he asked, but he could have answered AND asked.
Cray, this is the kind of lazy play that you’re doing this game that irks me.

I didn’t answer “Dubz question with a question” and then not answer. Dubz wasn’t talking to me. Dubz was asking Finn about moving off the April vote.

Since I hadn’t seen Dubz talk much about other wolf reads besides April, and was questioning Finn for moving off the vote, I wanted to know if Dubz had any other wolf reads and what they were.

Manufacturing shade on me by claiming I wasn’t answering a question is disingenuous.
 
Wildzoo
Mgk
sunnyFL.

Anyone have feel particularly suspicious on any of them. I think one of them needs to die. Unfortunately at work so can't explain it a ton. Also my reasoning is, honestly, VERY much a gut feeling and just a combination of all my "positive and negative" tallies after learning some identities on the spreadsheet. So let's leave it at I don't believe telemarketing kill was random or on a whim.

Aka I am willing to listen to others opinions to a degree on this because I know I *want* WZ dead but mgk makes more sense to me likelihood wise (but only slightly) and sunnyFL is acting very odd but idk her from a hole in the wall but we already had that one odd interaction.
I think sunny's overall tone and reaction to things leans more towards her village range. Mkg is one of my four remaining neutrals.
 
I may be letting old feelings cloud my judgement here but this is far too modest and protests too much. "I know I had really suspicious reads but it's just because I'm only so so at this game." You've been around. instincts develop. The game IS very hard day 1, I get that, but that excuse just irks me because it feels like you want to shake any suspicion off of you immediately before it sticks.

Plus. I *want* this vote. So again. Maybe im letting old feelings play. I'll admit. But you're also not a BAD choice by my current estimate of the people in the game. Just gonna lay this vote for you, but I am still open to hearing others discuss the other two.

::Unvote boblob::
::Vote wildzoo::
I was trying to figure out what you meant by old feelings...are you still mad about that time that I shot you after you got me misvoted? :laugh:
 
Because lurking tends to be associated as a wolfy behavior.
I still don’t understand why. I don’t think it’s caught a wolf while I’ve been playing, but it’s been used plenty as a lazy way for wolves to throw sus on villagers with little pushback (I assume because it’s pretty objective whether someone’s been liking but not posting). Closest was Z being called out by chaos in Bioshock, but there were other things to sus him for (lurking wasn’t what made me sus and I don’t think it was for many others) and I honestly still don’t think that was weird - eod is chaotic and villagers lurk trying to keep up, too.
 
I still don’t understand why. I don’t think it’s caught a wolf while I’ve been playing, but it’s been used plenty as a lazy way for wolves to throw sus on villagers with little pushback (I assume because it’s pretty objective whether someone’s been liking but not posting). Closest was Z being called out by chaos in Bioshock, but there were other things to sus him for (lurking wasn’t what made me sus and I don’t think it was for many others) and I honestly still don’t think that was weird - eod is chaotic and villagers lurk trying to keep up, too.
As a wolf in Ggoats I did lurk but didn’t get called out on it so maybe the fact I actually did it makes me more aware of it.
 
I still have mine! I'd be willing to open one up once you've officially moved
@samac

Did Mkg open this PM with you? I’m hoping you have a better read on her because of it and if so you can share your thoughts.

To date, she’s only made 26 posts on the thread in total, and I’m having a hard time reading her with so little to go off of.
 
Yeet Viscernable

Because as I said in my reads list before, because of that whole last minute unexplained April vote that she claimed had enough time for response, but then also tried to explain her change of heart on april by saying that early reads are more real.
I didn’t like voting that late but I get home from work at 9:30 EST Mon/Wed. I tried to get caught up before voting. I didn’t like the DocE vote and didn’t feel strongly either way on the April vote, so didn’t want to vote there and was trying to see if something would tip me one way or the other on April and if there was some other place I could put my vote without dooming DocE. It wasn’t happening and then I came across a post by April saying she had a defence/reveal pre-written ready to post as soon as necessary. That’s why I immediately posted saying I wanted to give time for a defence - I didn’t mean “oh yes plenty of time here all is fine”, I meant “oh geez apparently there is a prewritten defence that hasn’t been posted, hopefully this will be enough time to post it and for me and at least 1 other person to change votes if it’s convincing”.

It didn’t convince me. I’m sorry for that, April, but it sounded like a likely cover role for the wolf thief.
 
i secretly hate all wagon terminology and want to replace it with something else
Same. Can’t bring myself to say bandwagon. Just flash back to 7th grade assembly with Candy Palmater telling us not to... I can’t disappoint Candy Palmater, guys.
 
@samac

Did Mkg open this PM with you? I’m hoping you have a better read on her because of it and if so you can share your thoughts.

To date, she’s only made 26 posts on the thread in total, and I’m having a hard time reading her with so little to go off of.
She opened a PM with me, but it’s been fairly quiet.
 
So what’s your take on her in general?

If WZ is a wolf I’ll be shook and she has me in her furry little pockets.
I don’t have much feelings on mkg. She hasn’t been as active as she has previously but I don’t know if that makes her inherently wolfy.
sunshine I have mixed feelings on. She gets snappy but it’s NAI, though others believe she gets more snappy as village I’m not sure.
 
Day Two - Keep Calm and WW On - Vote Tally

AM (0) -
Alissa (1) - AM
Zenge (1) - Cray
Bobloblaw (1) - Ms P
Viscernable (4) - dina, cyndia, capri, sunshine
LIS (1) - Dubz
Mayo (0) -
Sunshine (1) - LIS
DocEspana (1) - Mayo
WZ (1) - DocE
Dina (1) - samac

12/24 players voting
Voting closes in 11.5 hours
 
Bread:~12 Content posts D1Vote:April
Mkg:~19 Content posts D1Vote: DocE
Stagg:~12 Content Posts D1Vote: Shorty/Mayo
Capri:~19 Content Posts D1Vote: Alissa
Sporty:~16 Content Posts D1Vote: SAR
Cyndia:~20 Content Posts D1Vote: Vis

We’re currently at over 2200 posts on the thread, and these 6 have the fewest posts as far as I can tell. Less than 1% of the total. What I consider “content” is subjective so consider it plus or minus a few posts here or there. I think it’s likely we have a wolf or two hiding in here. Since we don’t have a ton of content to go off of for reads, I included their D1 votes for reference. Most of them were on wagons that weren’t going anywhere except Bread on April, and Mkg on DocE.

I will say, at least for MKG, she has posted her reads recently, so that’s better than the other 5 for analysis purposes. I still don’t have a good read on her though.
 
viscernable vote feeling really stupid. Just punishing him/her/it for saying that in a vote between me and april they chose me?

I get the idea of "it was a last minute vote" but also know I'm a villager (have I said it enough times) so I know that the decision isnt suspicious since it wasnt bailing out a wolf, it was just him/her/it making a judgement call.
 
Are roles affiliation indicative? Are we sure all royals are village?
I’ve actually wondered about that myself. There’s obviously the history with some royals where they’d clearly be wolves in this game. Henry the VIII for example.

I also have a tinfoil about Cromwell being in the game somewhere, but it’s not worth pursuing without more evidence to support it.
 
Now that I don't have 5000 neutrals I feel comfy posting this. I need to think about the night kills but there are still too many people alive for me to make sense of them (particularly meats and TME)
Someone said something about killing both people involved in an argument. Was that Vis? Hmmm.

Wolf leans
cyndia - some very specific phrasings that pinged me because they were identical to things she said in Bioshock. Recognize this could be NAI. not sure why she was so bothered by samac fishing for the thief after SAR said she strongly suspected it was a wolfy action. some of her posts end of d1 bothered me.
LIS - feels different from Bioshock, wavering on this one because his reaction to my vote caught me off guard
Vis - if it was her that made the comment about the meats/TME kills, feels like a bit of TMI that I've seen wolves slip into discussion before. also what other people have said about the late april vote, but i need to go back and read her explanation.
Bread - just hasn't given me much of anything to work with. not even approaching the bar of his village meta imo.
sporty - drive by commentary and no real pushes. might make more effort as a wolf though.
finn - just on the border between neutral and wolf leaning. feel like she's spent more time talking about how she prefers to play the game than actually playing it.


Neutral and/or Need More Data
alissa - might move to village lean, interactions with AM seemed authentic
mkg - no idea
stagg - where even is he
capri - keep forgetting she's playing. not enough shrugging.
dina - pending

Village Leans
zenge - eh, just a feel
cray - I liked our real-time interactions. suspicion levels for me feel normal. would like to have a better feel for who she is most suspicious of though.
AM - feels in her village range but I'm keeping an eye. Reminder to myself to question later to solidify the read.
Bob - feels nooby village
samac - way more in the spotlight than wolf samac. how does she even keep all those PMs straight
shorty -> mayo - reactions to pushes from doc and others, as well as her takes on the gamestate, felt like village shorty. mayo's entrance to the thread felt pretty good.
genny - also a feel
DocE - I don't remember why I put him here but I'm not gonna let retaliatory feelings affect my instinct read yet
alley - enthusiasm to PM with me read village
MsP - don't like the angleshooting but the excitement about thinking she caught a wolf felt authentic
 
Now that I don't have 5000 neutrals I feel comfy posting this. I need to think about the night kills but there are still too many people alive for me to make sense of them (particularly meats and TME)
Someone said something about killing both people involved in an argument. Was that Vis? Hmmm.

Wolf leans
cyndia - some very specific phrasings that pinged me because they were identical to things she said in Bioshock. Recognize this could be NAI. not sure why she was so bothered by samac fishing for the thief after SAR said she strongly suspected it was a wolfy action. some of her posts end of d1 bothered me.
LIS - feels different from Bioshock, wavering on this one because his reaction to my vote caught me off guard
Vis - if it was her that made the comment about the meats/TME kills, feels like a bit of TMI that I've seen wolves slip into discussion before. also what other people have said about the late april vote, but i need to go back and read her explanation.
Bread - just hasn't given me much of anything to work with. not even approaching the bar of his village meta imo.
sporty - drive by commentary and no real pushes. might make more effort as a wolf though.
finn - just on the border between neutral and wolf leaning. feel like she's spent more time talking about how she prefers to play the game than actually playing it.


Neutral and/or Need More Data
alissa - might move to village lean, interactions with AM seemed authentic
mkg - no idea
stagg - where even is he
capri - keep forgetting she's playing. not enough shrugging.
dina - pending

Village Leans
zenge - eh, just a feel
cray - I liked our real-time interactions. suspicion levels for me feel normal. would like to have a better feel for who she is most suspicious of though.
AM - feels in her village range but I'm keeping an eye. Reminder to myself to question later to solidify the read.
Bob - feels nooby village
samac - way more in the spotlight than wolf samac. how does she even keep all those PMs straight
shorty -> mayo - reactions to pushes from doc and others, as well as her takes on the gamestate, felt like village shorty. mayo's entrance to the thread felt pretty good.
genny - also a feel
DocE - I don't remember why I put him here but I'm not gonna let retaliatory feelings affect my instinct read yet
alley - enthusiasm to PM with me read village
MsP - don't like the angleshooting but the excitement about thinking she caught a wolf felt authentic
realized I left sunny off. Village lean for reasons already stated.
 
Is your theory that him and SAR are both royals? Because he outright said that earlier today
Yes. I saw his post, but there’s more to it than that. I’d rather not say more in case there’s some importance with protecting royalty like LIS was proposing earlier. All I’ll say is I don’t think royalty are all one affiliation. I think there could be village-aligned royalty and wolf-aligned royalty, just like there were good rulers and bad rulers throughout England’s history.
 
It's useful earlier in a cycle to know who's restricted/silenced, vs possibly in a coma IRL vs forgot about the game vs lurking on purpose. A lot of us check in like that and it's usually not a huge deal. Just another way we're all adjusting to 36/12s
I don't really plan on adjusting to 36/12s. I'm gonna play this game out because I like the theme but I don't think I'm doing long cycles ever again. On that note, my planned game is not going to be long cycles so idek if people want me to run it (but I'll take that discussion to the future games thread).

This doesn't look good for finn re april and zenge.
Can you elaborate? Especially re:Zenge since all I said was I didn't understand the vote (and no one ever explained it to me).

finn - just on the border between neutral and wolf leaning. feel like she's spent more time talking about how she prefers to play the game than actually playing it.
Why do I even bother playing? All this time and I'm still getting wolf read for things I do every single game. I have almost never come put with a bunch of contribution or reads in early game. Exceptions being when I actually had good info.

It's ridiculous to me that other people (like DocE just to name the first one I can think of not pick on him) get everyone who has played with them jumping up to talk about their play is typical for them and NAI but no matter how long I play that connection never seems to get made for me. And I'm really getting sick of being put under fire for the same thing over and over. The only reason I have to talk about how I play is because I keep getting asked about it. At any rate, there's zero chance of me becoming player who comes into the game swinging on D1 so is there any reason for me to keep playing?


Anyways, second post incoming with my thoughts right now.
 
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