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[Zenge142]

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I was asked for reads early, gave them, and then got hard sussed because they were "wishy washy"
My solution to that this game is to wait, and give stronger reads.

It’s not about timing though. It’s about how you engaged with players. There was a hardness about you. You asked questions, you pushed people for their reads.

You admitted when you were wrong about reads, and looked how other people you were village reading had different opinions and you reevaluated to see what they were seeing.
You engaged with the village.

You did all that because you were village. You were wolf hunting. You were building a village block. I’m just not seeing any of that. I wish I was, because you’re a great villager. But I don’t think you’re village this game.

 

[Crayola227]

Ok, just to make it clear with my last posts because I confused myself:
DocE was concerned TE told something in a PM to get someone killed. Instead of using her damn name he decided to confuse me and use “the Iron Lady”
I got confused with alley because she opened one with me after TE died, but hers wasn’t with TE.
As far as I know she only had a PM with me. The only other possibilities are LIS and bread.
if she said something damming I’d look on thread, but when I was wolf we killed TE just to confuse everyone. Night 1.

The way you are acting like he was trying to confuse you on purpose.....

Also noob wolf kill choices (although you had AM with you) of another noob N1 in another game impresses me not in the slightest for dismissing the TME kill as strategy. In fact I think it's fair to say in NKA (night kill analysis) assume the wolves had a reason for kill besides confusion like 90% of the time at least. Confusion kills happen but safer bet don't assume that.

When PRs flip their PM partners abso-tuta-fruta-lutely should be scrutinized for lycanthropy.

 

[Zenge142]

Yeet Finn

I just cannot shake the feeling that she is the sheriff. I feel like AM is playing more pro-village than her, and while I am not trying to get caught up in mechanics too much and go into tinfoil territory, I think Samac's theory has legitimate merit to it and it is the biggest clue we've gotten for wolf hunting.

If Samac is right about this, I agree it seems a lot more likely to me that it’s Finn rather than AM.

 

[Zenge142]

going back to this, so I have 19 content posts by your standards, same as Capri, one less than Cyndia. I also had recently posted reads on the top wagons yesterday. So then why vote me? wouldnt it make sense to push the people who have skimmed by with even less posts and no reads?

And by the way, the low posting this game, I’ll agree with MKG, really is NAI, because her Bioshock post count was pretty low too.

With that in mind, knowing the post counts are roughly similar. Look what she did with her posts in Bioshock. Look what she’s done with her posts here. There’s a pretty stark contrast.

It’s not about the amount of content. Your content quantity is not the issue and it’s actually about the same quantity as Bioshock. It’s the stark contrast in what I’m seeing.

 

[WildZoo]

The way you are acting like he was trying to confuse you on purpose.....

Also noob wolf kill choices (although you had AM with you) of another noob N1 in another game impresses me not in the slightest for dismissing the TME kill as strategy. In fact I think it's fair to say in NKA (night kill analysis) assume the wolves had a reason for kill besides confusion like 90% of the time at least. Confusion kills happen but safer bet don't assume that.

When PRs flip their PM partners abso-tuta-fruta-lutely should be scrutinized for lycanthropy.

In a game setup like this though the only knowledge we have of who has PM'd who is what is said on the thread. So focusing on that specifically puts a target on a whole group of people for something that might not even have happened.

And idk, I just don't see TME d1 being like "Yeah I'm a PR, I can close votes early." Like that's not an ability that you would want to broadcast, or even have a reason to.

I've absolutely also chosen first kills for RNG confusion reasons, or just because someone lived a while the previous game, if I didn't have an on-thread reason to go for sometone. And I think it's pretty rare for wolves to know a PR from PMs that early.

 

[Dinashadow]

Neutral-wolf to Wolfy Leans (in no particular order)

Visc - I already talked about this. It wasn't as much her late vote on April because she did something similar in Bioshock (I can't remember who she was voting for), but it was combined with our conversation afterwards where it felt like she was trying to defend the late votes plus a lot of early game content focused on mechanics, theory, etc. I am wavering on keeping my vote here because of some things I've read on thread, but I'm still thinking on it

Bread - Keeps making promises to post more content, but never does. Hasn't made it clear who he is wolf reading. Sheeped samac onto the april vote

mkg - I liked the case zenge laid out for her. I agree her posts have read differently to me than previous games. I also remember in ggoats she got super defensive about yeet votes on her, which could've been because it was her first game, but it's still something that I noticed. I'm going to go back and look at her posts now.

sunny - More in my neutral reads, but I've been going back and forth with her. Her reaction to sus the other day felt like village sunny and others agreed so I moved her out of my wolf leans, but something still feels a little off.

stagg - wasn't impressed with what he did post at the end of last yeet cycle. His vote on shorty was strange and he hasn't been around to say much else to make me feel better about him

Some other things I wanted to comment on

MsP/Bob - interaction felt v/v. I am confused why MsP still has her vote there though after actively admitting she was probably wrong about the whole thing

Alissa/AM - also reading it as v/v, though I am wondering where Alissa went

DocE - I'm assuming somebody is going to ask where my wolf read went on him. I voted him D1 based on the weirdness from the D0 elections and a theory I had combined with my dislike of him going heavy on shorty who I was (and still am) village reading. I feel better about him this cycle and that he's been focusing on more than a single player. Also, before shorty subbed out we had some discussion in PM about the write-ups that also made me want to move him out of my wolf reads, so now I have him in my neutrals.

 

[Barkley13]

got any thoughts to share? not a fan of the naked vote

I mean you literally quotes what I had to say about it later in your post so not sure what your question is

I was frustrated by how he was acting, didn't think he was acting very pro-village, and didnt like any other wagon. you can look at the end of my Alissa ISO to see more of my thoughts on AM. I didn't think it was that big of a deal to point out the killed players voting, it was more of a, huh, well thats funny, more than something to use for AI. It was at the top of the list and stood out like a sore thumb.

It didn’t really sound like just a “huh that’s weird thing” and very much sounded like trying to throw shade when you doubled down on it being odd especially with AM pushing alissa but while still hedging with the “AM may be a wolf or she’s being framed”. It felt like trying to get other people to find AM sketchy while trying to not take a stance yourself

 

[Barkley13]

Yeet Finn

I just cannot shake the feeling that she is the sheriff. I feel like AM is playing more pro-village than her, and while I am not trying to get caught up in mechanics too much and go into tinfoil territory, I think Samac's theory has legitimate merit to it and it is the biggest clue we've gotten for wolf hunting.

So what has Finn done to make you think she’s a wolf?

 

[Crayola227]

Interesting. I hadn't actually thought about it in that level of detail. What do you think the specific things DocE has glossed over say about him in this game?

I'm honestly not really sure, which is frustrating. I hoped others might have better insight.

Not keeping Shorty or Mayo straight could be because they're just another misyeet to him (lol a little like when you wolf all villagers look the same) or it could be a kind of villager carelessness.

 

[Crayola227]

It’s not about timing though. It’s about how you engaged with players. There was a hardness about you. You asked questions, you pushed people for their reads.

You admitted when you were wrong about reads, and looked how other people you were village reading had different opinions and you reevaluated to see what they were seeing.
You engaged with the village.

You did all that because you were village. You were wolf hunting. You were building a village block. I’m just not seeing any of that. I wish I was, because you’re a great villager. But I don’t think you’re village this game.

I would agree that a wolfy Mkg seems to find it harder to have a hard edge.

 

[Dinashadow]

I have a hard time believing TE's NK was based on role revealing in PM, just because it's not something that I think wolves would find important to get rid of. She wasn't being heavily village read either. I also say this because we NK'd her N1 in ggoats and while it wasn't RNG we didn't really have a solid reason for it.

It's possible it wasn't a wolfy kill either considering how many deaths there were.

This is why NK analysis is difficult

 

[mkg323]

It’s not about the amount of content. Your content quantity is not the issue and it’s actually about the same quantity as Bioshock. It’s the stark contrast in what I’m seeing.

You literally started the argument with a list of people and the number of content posts they made. I've tried to stay active in this thread, but I havent been able to give it as much time as I did Bioshock. I'm on less = catching up more. I dont like to ask questions on things from 10 pages, ago unless I get to the latest page and it still hasnt been answered, and since I'm on less, other people are asking those questions first. I'll have more time tomorrow to be more engaged as I wont be riding, but I really dont think much has changed except my time commitments this game.

I mean you literally quotes what I had to say about it later in your post so not sure what your question is

It didn’t really sound like just a “huh that’s weird thing” and very much sounded like trying to throw shade when you doubled down on it being odd especially with AM pushing alissa but while still hedging with the “AM may be a wolf or she’s being framed”. It felt like trying to get other people to find AM sketchy while trying to not take a stance yourself

I was asked further about whether I thought the deaths were weird, which is the only reason I went further into that thought in the first place. and I entertained the idea of her being a wolf rather briefly and tossed it out because A) I think its its too obvious and B) WIFOM

 

[BobLoblaw78]

I don't really plan on adjusting to 36/12s. I'm gonna play this game out because I like the theme but I don't think I'm doing long cycles ever again. On that note, my planned game is not going to be long cycles so idek if people want me to run it (but I'll take that discussion to the future games thread).


Can you elaborate? Especially re:Zenge since all I said was I didn't understand the vote (and no one ever explained it to me).


Why do I even bother playing? All this time and I'm still getting wolf read for things I do every single game. I have almost never come put with a bunch of contribution or reads in early game. Exceptions being when I actually had good info.

It's ridiculous to me that other people (like DocE just to name the first one I can think of not pick on him) get everyone who has played with them jumping up to talk about their play is typical for them and NAI but no matter how long I play that connection never seems to get made for me. And I'm really getting sick of being put under fire for the same thing over and over. The only reason I have to talk about how I play is because I keep getting asked about it. At any rate, there's zero chance of me becoming player who comes into the game swinging on D1 so is there any reason for me to keep playing?


Anyways, second post incoming with my thoughts right now.

For self reflection b/c I imagine it is inappropriate to ask for real, but how do you play when you are wolf? Do you lurk more or post more. If you lurk more then it may be reasonable to feel you are wolfing if you aren't posting. I obviously don't know how you play. You seemed to have really long posts for one stint that I liked and they had me thinking village. Then you disappeared

 

[Stagg737]

Still a lot to catch up on, but just to get something out there

Execute SAR

For reasons I need to look into that AM will hate.


Also, @samac , did you have to break the DocE v April tie?

 

[Crayola227]

In a game setup like this though the only knowledge we have of who has PM'd who is what is said on the thread. So focusing on that specifically puts a target on a whole group of people for something that might not even have happened.

And idk, I just don't see TME d1 being like "Yeah I'm a PR, I can close votes early." Like that's not an ability that you would want to broadcast, or even have a reason to.

I've absolutely also chosen first kills for RNG confusion reasons, or just because someone lived a while the previous game, if I didn't have an on-thread reason to go for sometone. And I think it's pretty rare for wolves to know a PR from PMs that early.

Honestly if I was a wolf, some of the what TME was saying, among other players tho too, would have tempted me to want to NK her for PR reasons. So I'm not trying to argue as much that it must have been because of PMs, as much as I'm saying I don't think it's just a confusion kill devoid of wolfy strat concerns about PRs.

But I'm supporting a vein of NKA that doesn't dismiss kills as confusion when there's other reasonable reasons to consider, and in general looking at PMs and information flow.

It also doesn't have to cast suspicion on the other players. One thing when I wolf I like to break up communication networks or frame people. So looking at TME's partners could reveal other motives for her kill, and possibly even help support her village partners are village, for example, and maybe point to other non-PM ppl as possible framers.

 

[mkg323]

I would agree that a wolfy Mkg seems to find it harder to have a hard edge.

I'd prefer if having a hard edge isnt considered a part of my meta, ever. When I did that iso of Pleasy I was in a bad mood and totally tunneled into her and was a rude ***hole too.

 

[WildZoo]

Honestly if I was a wolf, some of the what TME was saying, among other players tho too, would have tempted me to want to NK her for PR reasons. So I'm not trying to argue as much that it must have been because of PMs, as much as I'm saying I don't think it's just a confusion kill devoid of wolfy strat concerns about PRs.

But I'm supporting a vein of NKA that doesn't dismiss kills as confusion when there's other reasonable reasons to consider, and in general looking at PMs and information flow.

It also doesn't have to cast suspicion on the other players. One thing when I wolf I like to break up communication networks or frame people. So looking at TME's partners could reveal other motives for her kill, and possibly even help support her village partners are village, for example, and maybe point to other non-PM ppl as possible framers.

I think all of that is fair, it's the weird focus on her PM partners (I should say potential PM partners, the only person who spoke to her it seems was samac) that I'm against because I don't think there's good support for it

 

[BobLoblaw78]

We wouldn't know until, at the earliest, one wolf flips.

What does one wolf flips mean? This is what I was thinking when I mentioned turning/conversion. I assume flips from one side to another?

 

[Crayola227]

Basically I don't like dismissing the TME kill. I agree that NKA is full of WIFOM and can have limited utility, doesn't mean we shouldn't try to go about it rationally and just dismiss kills as confusion and not attempt to see what could be gleaned.

In any case, shutting that down discussion before it begins as just a confusion kill doesn't
sit right with me.

 

[alissa14]

Hi I’m back and I just finished reading all the pages I missed. Thoughts to follow

 

[WildZoo]

Still a lot to catch up on, but just to get something out there

Execute SAR

For reasons I need to look into that AM will hate.


Also, @samac , did you have to break the DocE v April tie?

SAR is dead, stagg

 

[alissa14]

In response to the LIS question asking why my stance on AM changed. Part of it comes from the whole character matching starting location theory not holding much water. Plus I think I was just locked on AM Monday night and I don’t think that tunnel is going anywhere. However, I do think my criticism of AM was valid and that she was being hypocritical.

 

[WildZoo]

What does one wolf flips mean? This is what I was thinking when I mentioned turning/conversion. I assume flips from one side to another?

Flips meaning dies and role/affiliation is revealed

 

[Animal Midwife]

So here's my iso of alissa. I left a lot of posts for context, so my thoughts are sometimes every couple posts, towards the end it was just exhausting, final thoughts are at the bottom of the last spoiler

Spoiler: D0

its D0, there is no yeet but these are the main points, mostly fluff which I think is NAI, she did swap from SAR to DocE for PM
I made it clear at the time that I personally disagree with electing someone to PM that the majority of players have not played with/know how to read, but Alissa was fine with it. Dont think this is super AI. Interacting with a bunch of people, not just AM

Spoiler: D1 pre-AM

At this point Z hadnt been super active, I think just one large post D1 about DocE/Shorty in terms of content, and I think this vote was valid

sounds fine so far, no pings


In response to April about Dubz vote on her - this reads village to me


Shared some reads here that are interesting, not sure if there had been enough from genny or dina at this point to put them there but thats just me.


This did ping me a bit initially, but her posts later make me feel better/think it is more genuine


totally get this, its hard to do iso's and also keep up with the thread, again, sounds genuine.

Spoiler: W/ AM

I've included AM posts, so its easier to follow what alissa is quoting/responding to

Starting to talk with AM more about her MsP vote, makes a valid point about leaving her vote there





Not to sound like a broken record, but I totally get this, it reads genuine.


(responding to Finn)


I just want to remind AM that if this is ok for you to do, it has to be ok for others too. I did see your vote for me and honestly its so hypocritical to say you're not done with reads and not post them, and then turn around and ask others for them and then be upset when they either A) respond promptly but arent complete or B) say they need more time. I havent posted a lot on this thread but I have posted more READS than you. all you've put out is a POE, which was just names.


(again a response to finn)


Pretty sure DocE was still in the lead at this point


Kinda surprising because I think Sunny has read frustrated villager up to this point. kinda pinged me, she said she would re-evaluate when unyeeting Z and I would have liked to see her explain why she decided to not go back to voting him?


(good question for sunny, reads village)


asking AM about why shes keeping her vote where it is, at this point I think Alissa/AM is v/v


agreed


ok yeah dont agree with that one, again would love to know why she didn't consider going back to Z




honestly valid point


dont remember why i quoted this, but who knows at this point



Alissa really got hung up on AM's reads, but I get it, AM asks a lot of questions and expects prompt answers from other players, but wont post her own reads



back to MsP discussion:







again, I think this is v/v I think Alissa's questions are well reasoned, the vote on MsP didnt really serve a purpose, its the not that Alissa is defending MsP its that she doesnt like the reasons AM is leaving a vote there while also pushing TME






again its the reasons for the vote, not who the vote is on, that Alissa is trying to yeet AM for, or at least thats how I'm understanding this whole thing.




AM finally posts a POE, no reads




I dont think she's acting that weird, but again, this is my third game, and Alissa got misyeeted D2 and D1 in them. I do really think this whole squable is v/v



dont remember why I quoted this, but I think its just a reminder that she is not JUST interacting with AM


It did honestly remind me of this, but at this point I'm not so sure shes a wolf

Spoiler: W/ AM about tinfoils

look, clearly a lot of people have feelings about the whole North/Sheriff thing. And with April being Robin Hood I think its even more valid. But having that tinfoil does not = yeet the whole north group. But if AM or Finn start acting wolfy, I'd be willing to yeet one if there is more than just the tinfoil



so not productive, and if she is PMing Samac (was confirmed later), about the tinfoil that Samac and SAR both strongly believed in, like come on, she is not the only one who thinks this tinfoil is possible, I'd like to see her thoughts on Samac because I feel like she's just tunneling on Alissa





what is with all this? it makes me feel worse about AM. Samac, SAR, and I'd assume all the people who hopped on April's vote yesterday believed this tinfoil is possible. so why are you so stuck on Alissa? She's not even the one who started the tinfoil??



I honestly got rid of the rest of this back and forth because it was so ridiculous.


Alissa trying to actually wolf hunt, much appreciated

misyeet 2?

(I think this is what AM refers to below)



still waiting on reads


Village can have wrong theories too, are you expecting us to perfectly mechanics solve as village?? like what?? I know you dont like mechanics solving AM but like seriously.

POE does not = reads.

yes

LIS saying it better than I can about theories


NO ONE IS SAYING TO YEET THE WHOLE GD GROUP! BUT IF SOMEONE STARTS ACTING REALLY WOLFY IN THE GROUP, THEN YEAH, THEY MIGHT BE THE SHERIFF. STOP MAKING THESE BONEHEADED ASSUMPTIONS





This whole thing is seriously giving me a head ache




She makes a good point here. The reasons have changed, but then again you guys have been tunneling each other all day, so surprise surprise.


I'd be interested in how capri/vis/alley/barks/zenge have to do with the North tinfoil

And they actually agree on the POE


Alissa already said she knows better than to follow the one wolf per group thing, common AM. She can think that and also say there is a wolf in the north, they are not mutually exclusive statements

This is what I was saying earlier, the issue she has with AM is not who she voted for, but why, because it wasnt going to do anything to get MsP active on the thread.








So this is the last of it, Alissa hasnt been on since yesterday afternoon, and she unyeeted AM. This was supposed to be an ISO for alissa and it turned into a kinda AM ISO. I now have Alissa firmly in my village leans, AM I've put back in neutral for now. I dont like that she tunneled on alissa for a tinfoil that other people started, and some of her posts above pinged me. I know this isnt all AM has done so I'm not willing to put her in wolf leans quite yet, but what started as v/v bickering went kinda far and I'll be keeping an eye on AM more in the future.

SAR didn't even vote for April.

You saying POE =/= reads is laughable. A POE is a collection of wolfreads. That's literally the definition. You cannot outdefine someone who's been playing this for five years. Better luck next time.

 

[mkg323]

It’s not about timing though. It’s about how you engaged with players. There was a hardness about you. You asked questions, you pushed people for their reads.

You admitted when you were wrong about reads, and looked how other people you were village reading had different opinions and you reevaluated to see what they were seeing.
You engaged with the village.

You did all that because you were village. You were wolf hunting. You were building a village block. I’m just not seeing any of that. I wish I was, because you’re a great villager. But I don’t think you’re village this game.

Another thing, is that the start of this game, and the discussions at the start were anything but normal, or at least to me. I do not like when things get emotional and heated, and disengage mentally. And a lot of pages of this thread have been hissy fits over how other people like to play, NOT wolf hunting, which I am guilty of doing as well. I'm spread thin right now, and maybe the best thing for village is for me to flip. But I'm seriously trying to give as much as I can right now and will continue trying, which is a lot more than I can say about some people on this thread.

 

[Dinashadow]

Okay I think I've decided that I want to

unyeet visc

and

yeet mkg

 

[alissa14]

Exactly my thoughts. DocE doesn't give off wolfy energy (nor does sunshine or shorty, for that matter). I haven't seen any reason to vote April today other than maybe her persistence on DocE. So I'm gonna vote on someone I have feels (albeit minor) for.

vote alissa

But why though?

this skeeves me out for more than one reason

And yet you stayed on me.... how is everyone else feel about Capri? Because I’m highly tempted to yeet there

 

[mkg323]

SAR didn't even vote for April.

You saying POE =/= reads is laughable. A POE is a collection of wolfreads. That's literally the definition. You cannot outdefine someone who's been playing this for five years. Better luck next time.

your POE is was a list of names. No thoughts, or reasoning attached. THAT was the point I was making. because when ever YOU ask for reads, you want the whole GD roster, with reasons for every name. So thanks for reminding me you dont hold yourself to the same standards as everyone else

 

[Animal Midwife]

There are only so many hours in a day AM. Get on the list. Oh and feel free to share your own list.

You mean like the reads I already have shared multiple times in the past 40+ hours?

 

[sunshinefl]

So I guess I'm back to the previous thought. I dont think the kill of the iron lady was chance. Strikes me as someone getting rid of a chat partner. But whooooooom.

Back to work for real

Ok, just to make it clear with my last posts because I confused myself:
DocE was concerned TE told something in a PM to get someone killed. Instead of using her damn name he decided to confuse me and use “the Iron Lady”
I got confused with alley because she opened one with me after TE died, but hers wasn’t with TE.
As far as I know she only had a PM with me. The only other possibilities are LIS and bread.
if she said something damming I’d look on thread, but when I was wolf we killed TE just to confuse everyone. Night 1.

You’re still in my neutrals and I don’t really follow his train of thought here, but I do find it interesting that you’re the one person who would meet his criteria for suspicion on Enigma’s death, and are the only one saying Enigma must have been random.

oh also. I'm hoping we can start lynching people I feel legitimately good about. so not visc. Also I wont mind losing MGK but this seems too easy. Like.... they got *involved* when talking with me the other day back and forth and now theyre leading the vote and are almost apathetic. It feels like someone who has not a ton to lose - aka a villager. Wolves would fight harder. but thats my take - that its *too* easy. But idk how they play.

unlunch mayo (should already be the case but i think mod missed it)
lunch sunny

... which brings me to how the heck did Doc E go from it must be a PM partner of enigma (Samac), to rambling about defending Visc despite not even thinking she’s NOT a wolf necessarily, to defending MKG, to reaching a conclusion of a naked vote on me?!

 

[WildZoo]

Another thing, is that the start of this game, and the discussions at the start were anything but normal, or at least to me. I do not like when things get emotional and heated, and disengage mentally. And a lot of pages of this thread have been hissy fits over how other people like to play, NOT wolf hunting, which I am guilty of doing as well. I'm spread thin right now, and maybe the best thing for village is for me to flip. But I'm seriously trying to give as much as I can right now and will continue trying, which is a lot more than I can say about some people on this thread.

Who do you think we should be voting for instead of you? Sorry if you said this already and I missed it

 

[Dinashadow]

And yet you stayed on me.... how is everyone else feel about Capri? Because I’m highly tempted to yeet there

She's just a bunch of ????? for me right now tbh

Historically, I've never been good at reading her

 

[capri1722]

Please do share your reasons, I'm curious.

The issue's a bit beaten to death, no?
But the main reason is that I'm not the type to keep notes, so reads lists take forever to write. And then I look sketchy for not having it readily available.

Also kinda reads wolfy to me with the disappointment no one died. You can wifom me that if you want, but still.

Data points would be nice.

 

[DocEspana]

Interesting. I hadn't actually thought about it in that level of detail. What do you think the specific things DocE has glossed over say about him in this game?

That I played this game like an addict when I was a medical student and resident. being an attending physician is a whole different bag of worms. Particularly considering my specialty is emergency medicine.

I was laughing to myself yesterday that when I signed up for this I had two shifts in 10 days. When the game actually started I was about to start a 5-day run of shifts.

 

[Animal Midwife]

But why though?

And yet you stayed on me.... how is everyone else feel about Capri? Because I’m highly tempted to yeet there

She's in my neutrals.

 

[WildZoo]

your POE is was a list of names. No thoughts, or reasoning attached. THAT was the point I was making. because when ever YOU ask for reads, you want the whole GD roster, with reasons for every name. So thanks for reminding me you dont hold yourself to the same standards as everyone else

To be entirely 100% fair, AM has given reasons when asked and given reads on other players outside of her initial focus list when asked.

 

[alleycat03]

So what has Finn done to make you think she’s a wolf?

I feel like she has talked about how to play WW more than she's wolfhunted or contributed to gamesolving. We discussed whether or not people should include village reads, and had differing opinions on it. Then, she explained why she was lurking when she got called out on it. I don't think that is AI, but a chunk of her posts mentioned that instead of focusing on playing the game. She also has spent the past two days tunneling on Alissa without any other people mentioned as suspicious to her.

 

[Crayola227]

I have a hard time believing TE's NK was based on role revealing in PM, just because it's not something that I think wolves would find important to get rid of. She wasn't being heavily village read either. I also say this because we NK'd her N1 in ggoats and while it wasn't RNG we didn't really have a solid reason for it.

It's possible it wasn't a wolfy kill either considering how many deaths there were.

This is why NK analysis is difficult

I think whenever wolves kill a player that was under sus and might have been a misyeet, there is a reason they are giving that up and not going for someone harder to misyeet. This is why I'm a bit stuck on it being more significant.

In Bioshock we did a kill like that (may have been accidental lol so maybe not a great example) and I think it was because they were going to be a burden to defend against as they were heavily onto one of our wolves.

I don't think most wolves sacrifice a possible misyeet over a more villagey or yeet armored player just for the confusion lulz unstead, unless that confusion is framing for another misyeet.

Honestly TME's speculation had me worried she would get offed for wolves suspecting her mechanics talk was self-related somehow. When I'm a wolf and people get too deep into hypotheticals I start to wonder if the hypothetical isn't that hypothetical to them, if you get what I mean.

 

[capri1722]

I’ve actually wondered about that myself. There’s obviously the history with some royals where they’d clearly be wolves in this game. Henry the VIII for example.

I also have a tinfoil about Cromwell being in the game somewhere, but it’s not worth pursuing without more evidence to support it.

Mmmm, I can see the reasoning and this is definitely something I would expect. However, if this was the case, I would also expect that a wolf with a "Henry VIII" role would have a cover role, like "Queen Elizabeth I."

In other words, I don't think this is something worth pursuing.

 

[mkg323]

You mean like the reads I already have shared multiple times in the past 40+ hours?

no no no no no. you are not going to pull this BS. you asked for my reads yesterday. If you asked before that then sorry, I missed that. I have had a long day, dealing with things far more important than this game will ever be. I told you yesterday I wanted to ISO Ally and Alissa before giving reads, and I have done ONE. So if you want more than a list of names, tough luck

 

[Zenge142]

You literally started the argument with a list of people and the number of content posts they made.

You’re right I did. I started looking at low posters with the assumption a wolf or two were hiding in there. You happened to be in that list, and I really do believe that you being on that list is NAI.

I recognized later on when reviewing your Bioshock play that your lack of posts wasn’t really noteworthy.

But that’s not why I’m wolf reading you. If I’m right and you flip wolf, I fully admit I started looking at you for a “right wolf wrong reason” situation. But that’s not why I’ve built my case that you’re wolfing. It’s what I found after looking at you that I’m building my case on.

My case is stemming from primarily the stark contrast in the tone and the make up of the posts you’ve made.

Secondarily, it comes from reevaluating the DocE wagon, and your position on it and opportunistic timing of the vote.

 

[Animal Midwife]

your POE is was a list of names. No thoughts, or reasoning attached. THAT was the point I was making. because when ever YOU ask for reads, you want the whole GD roster, with reasons for every name. So thanks for reminding me you dont hold yourself to the same standards as everyone else

Nowhere have I ever said "post your reads on the whole roster" during D1. So untwist your panties and instead of being bitter that I'm being village read, show me and others why we should village read you.

I do like your Bread vote, for the record, but whining about untrue or irrelevant things does nothing to alter my read on you.

 

[alissa14]

I have both the vis and mkg wagons in neutral right now

 

[WildZoo]

Honestly TME's speculation had me worried she would get offed for wolves suspecting her mechanics talk was self-related somehow. When I'm a wolf and people get too deep into hypotheticals I start to wonder if the hypothetical isn't that hypothetical to them, if you get what I mean.

This is my current thinking on that kill as well

 

[BobLoblaw78]

No not that new. We’re from the same noob game and there were a fair number of 3Ps

Okay. What are 3P. 3 different groups? 2 wolf and 1 village? Or 3 wolf and 1 village?

 

[DocEspana]

I'm honestly not really sure, which is frustrating. I hoped others might have better insight.

Not keeping Shorty or Mayo straight could be because they're just another misyeet to him (lol a little like when you wolf all villagers look the same) or it could be a kind of villager carelessness.

as far as the games concerned they're the same person. They switched out for each other. I didn't keep them straight because I thought shorty was incredibly quiet today and I thought Mayo had posted day one (they had) and then simply lurked in the background until they made three random posts around midnight today. Like, I'm away from any of my spreadsheets and so I thought they were two different people because they are literally two different people, one just took over for the other.

That's not really a matter of keeping them straight. It's missing the mod post where they said that the role was getting taken over.

It might be what you meant. But since you didn't use clear terminology, I thought it was worth clarifying

 

[Crayola227]

For self reflection b/c I imagine it is inappropriate to ask for real, but how do you play when you are wolf? Do you lurk more or post more. If you lurk more then it may be reasonable to feel you are wolfing if you aren't posting. I obviously don't know how you play. You seemed to have really long posts for one stint that I liked and they had me thinking village. Then you disappeared

Eh I think it's more important to ask *why* lurking occurs, like if there seems to be a reason game-related for it. In my experience, wolves don't lurk just to lurk. They lurk when they are not on the radar and others are up for lynch and village is fighting how they like and they don't want to upset that balance of things, they lurk when they're under heat and don't have a good defense and don't want to be called to thread to defend themselves or be asked about a wolf on the chopping block, etc.

You need to have a real awareness of threadstate to determine if lurking is wolfy, and wolfy lurking is usually motivated by something more specific than just being a wolf.

Noob wolves are more likely to lurk than experienced wolves for many reasons, chief among them not knowing how to engage. Vet wolf lurking tends to be more related to strategic reasons and less for being at a loss for words.

 

[BobLoblaw78]

I have her as village.

That was fast. Why do you think she is village?

 

[BobLoblaw78]

Are we all aware now royals vote for lunches?

What does vote for lunches mean?

 

[genny]

Okay. What are 3P. 3 different groups? 2 wolf and 1 village? Or 3 wolf and 1 village?

third parties. not village and not wolf, so they've got their own agenda.