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Thanks! Yeah, it's coming up. I haven't heard anything from UM; same ol' message about how it's under committee review. I think that I just don't fit their med school profile - if it's meant to be, then it's meant to be.
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Hey ChePibe!
nice stats. do you know where you're going yet or at least who you're choosing from? You don't have to answer, im just curious. Thanks!
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Hey ankit.
Thanks!!
I am actually waiting to hear back from some of the top programs I have applied and interviewed (eg:Stanford, Mount Sinai, UPitt, UPenn, etc) before I make a decision. So far I have been thoroughly impressed with Loma Linda U (I am SDA and rankings are not my main concern) and the University of Utah (great opportunities and outstanding skiing).
That being said I would have taken a chance at UM any day. I have not been granted an interview there (or USF for that matter) so maybe I am a better fit for PA schools after all
.In any case, I will definitely let you know where I'll be next year. Thanks for asking.
How about you? (I would love to land a residency at UWash, but that is getting way ahead of myself)
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I read on the USF Facebook site that our FAFSAs were due yesterday ! I didnt know that - I certainly didnt complete it. What are the consequences. I bet I am not the only one.
Is anyone going to apply for Scholarshps at USF ? I would love to have a discuss about finances at USF. Please post anything you know.
Is anyone going to apply for Scholarshps at USF ? I would love to have a discuss about finances at USF. Please post anything you know.
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hello all.. hope every one has had a great spring break.. 5 more weeks of undergrad!!
FAFSA was actually due early then that, more towards the beginning of the month. They were only due if you were applying for institutional loans/grants. The Federal ones you can still apply for by turning in your FAFSA at any time. USF just wants you to do it early enough so that way you get your money before school starts. There aren't any consequences as long as you fill it out in a timely manner. I have better do that as well 😉
I got an e-mail a few weeks ago saying that FAFSA and need access needed to be done by March 15 for priority packaging and scholarship eligibility.
Hey
Does anyone know when UF will start accepting people off the hold list. I know they stopped interviewing last Friday. So prob soon right?
Does anyone know when UF will start accepting people off the hold list. I know they stopped interviewing last Friday. So prob soon right?
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I was at their last interview day (3/14) and Robyn told us that a lot of movement will take place in April, and of course around the transcendental May 15 day.
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I am having a really hard time with this decision. I graduated from UF, it is 2 hours away. USF is about 30-45 minutes away (with little traffic). I went on a mission trip with UF last week and if I went to school there, I would have the opportunity to go on the same trip for the next 4 years. On the other hand, if I go to USF, I have to find a trip and fight for a position on it.
I know that this discussion (UF vs. USF) has been brought up several times, but I really truly need help. I spent a week w/ UF med students and many of them were very negative about their school. (I don't want to go into the reasons on here) But, I know that is an amazing school that prepares you very well.
But, I was very impressed with USF.
Anyone have any opinions? 😕
I know that this discussion (UF vs. USF) has been brought up several times, but I really truly need help. I spent a week w/ UF med students and many of them were very negative about their school. (I don't want to go into the reasons on here) But, I know that is an amazing school that prepares you very well.
But, I was very impressed with USF.
Anyone have any opinions? 😕
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This sounds like a good idea for a new thread. I know that there was one about UF vs. UM, but I too would like to get others' opinions on the UF vs. USF discussion.
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I have a really close family friend who recently graduated from UF's Medical shool, he also went to UF for undergrad. He seriously LOVED it and he would never have chosen another medical school. He cannot say enough and he got into an excellent residency program in NYC!! He too considered USF because it was close to his home.
Here are the reasons I chose USF:
1. Longitudinal Clinical Experience - I like the fact that you are having weekly patient contact in a true clinical setting from the time you get there. I'm not sure if UF has a comparable program, but it sounds like USF has developed a unique program.
2. Center of Advanced Clinical Learning - USFs standardized patient lab is amazing. Everything is recorded and available for watching at a later date. The director said that you can come back in your 4th year and watch videos of your exams in MSI. I feel much more comfortable knowing I will be practicing on actors before I have to go do the real thing. Also, Harvey and Stan (the simulators) are quite incredible. You can do everything to Stan - intubate, insert IVs, do CPR, make him cry, make him pee!
3. Scholarly Concentrations Program - If we aren't overachievers yet, we can sure become one by doing a scholarly concentration. I am interested in the public health concentration or even the international concentration. But they have several more like business and law. The way they were explained to me they are like minors in undergrad. You do them along with your regular med school curriculum. That means no extra year!
4. Location, location, location - Need I say more? No, but seriously the type of patients you will see at TGH will be different from the type seen at Shands. TGH is in the heart of big city and though Shands attracts attention it is not located in a busy metropolitan area. Also, USF has many affiliated hospitals and clinics. Here are the ones I know of - Moffitt cancer center, TGH, All Childrens, Shriners, the two VAs, Bay Front medical center, certain programs at University Community Hospital, Fairwinds psychiatric hospital, Judeo Christian Free Clinic, and the USF clinics.
5. The students - Overall, the student satisfaction at USF seems to be high. I have talked to only 2 students from UF, but they were unhappy (one had transferred from there). I am sure there are two sides to every story so its better to ask as many students as you can. The thing that impresses me at USF is how helpful the students are. There isn't a great sense of competition and it does not seem that some students are out to get their classmates. This is the case at some very competitive schools. I like the relaxed atmosphere and I appreciate the low amount of competition at USF. Additionally, the ranking is kept private. So unless you want to broadcast your rank no one else will know how you are doing.
6. Faculty - I have shadowed several doctors at USF and I loved their teaching style. They used a team based approach and they made the students feel like they were an important part of the treatment process. I got a feeling the faculty is focused on patient care and humanistic health care. I also got the feeling that the faculty and staff will work hard to ensure you succeed.
7. Admissions Staff - I have had a great experience with the admissions staff. They are so honest and upfront. No other school that I applied to has kept me as informed as USF. Luckily, I did not get waitlisted, but those that are on the waitlist know where they stand. I have a lot of respect for this policy. Also, the second look program was very beneficial. I think it spoke volumes that Dr. Koehler would open up her home to host the dinner. And Monday's clinical experience was a blast. We had the opportunity to do histories and physicals on several standardized patients as well as practice CPR on Stan.
8. International Opportunities - I picked up a brochure at the second look about travel opportunities. Some of the place USF healh students have traveled are Colombia, Dominican Republic, India, and Panama. They have a website for Travel Medicine and travel podcasts - http://health.usf.edu/intprog/resources.htm and http://health.usf.edu/medicine/ia. It also looks like some of the research opportunities overseas are funded.
9. BRIDGE Clinic and Judeo Christian Clinic - More patient contact opportunities. You can volunteer at the student run BRIDGE clinic and at the JC Clinic. Both work with underserved communities and students are responsible for doing h&ps or vitals. Shadowing at these clinics can also help you pick up some medical spanish - a necessity if you plan to practice in underserved areas in Florida.
I think its apparent that I am biased toward USF, but there are plenty of SDNers that know all about why UF is great. Maybe they will add their opinions as well.
1. Longitudinal Clinical Experience - I like the fact that you are having weekly patient contact in a true clinical setting from the time you get there. I'm not sure if UF has a comparable program, but it sounds like USF has developed a unique program.
2. Center of Advanced Clinical Learning - USFs standardized patient lab is amazing. Everything is recorded and available for watching at a later date. The director said that you can come back in your 4th year and watch videos of your exams in MSI. I feel much more comfortable knowing I will be practicing on actors before I have to go do the real thing. Also, Harvey and Stan (the simulators) are quite incredible. You can do everything to Stan - intubate, insert IVs, do CPR, make him cry, make him pee!
3. Scholarly Concentrations Program - If we aren't overachievers yet, we can sure become one by doing a scholarly concentration. I am interested in the public health concentration or even the international concentration. But they have several more like business and law. The way they were explained to me they are like minors in undergrad. You do them along with your regular med school curriculum. That means no extra year!
4. Location, location, location - Need I say more? No, but seriously the type of patients you will see at TGH will be different from the type seen at Shands. TGH is in the heart of big city and though Shands attracts attention it is not located in a busy metropolitan area. Also, USF has many affiliated hospitals and clinics. Here are the ones I know of - Moffitt cancer center, TGH, All Childrens, Shriners, the two VAs, Bay Front medical center, certain programs at University Community Hospital, Fairwinds psychiatric hospital, Judeo Christian Free Clinic, and the USF clinics.
5. The students - Overall, the student satisfaction at USF seems to be high. I have talked to only 2 students from UF, but they were unhappy (one had transferred from there). I am sure there are two sides to every story so its better to ask as many students as you can. The thing that impresses me at USF is how helpful the students are. There isn't a great sense of competition and it does not seem that some students are out to get their classmates. This is the case at some very competitive schools. I like the relaxed atmosphere and I appreciate the low amount of competition at USF. Additionally, the ranking is kept private. So unless you want to broadcast your rank no one else will know how you are doing.
6. Faculty - I have shadowed several doctors at USF and I loved their teaching style. They used a team based approach and they made the students feel like they were an important part of the treatment process. I got a feeling the faculty is focused on patient care and humanistic health care. I also got the feeling that the faculty and staff will work hard to ensure you succeed.
7. Admissions Staff - I have had a great experience with the admissions staff. They are so honest and upfront. No other school that I applied to has kept me as informed as USF. Luckily, I did not get waitlisted, but those that are on the waitlist know where they stand. I have a lot of respect for this policy. Also, the second look program was very beneficial. I think it spoke volumes that Dr. Koehler would open up her home to host the dinner. And Monday's clinical experience was a blast. We had the opportunity to do histories and physicals on several standardized patients as well as practice CPR on Stan.
8. International Opportunities - I picked up a brochure at the second look about travel opportunities. Some of the place USF healh students have traveled are Colombia, Dominican Republic, India, and Panama. They have a website for Travel Medicine and travel podcasts - http://health.usf.edu/intprog/resources.htm and http://health.usf.edu/medicine/ia. It also looks like some of the research opportunities overseas are funded.
9. BRIDGE Clinic and Judeo Christian Clinic - More patient contact opportunities. You can volunteer at the student run BRIDGE clinic and at the JC Clinic. Both work with underserved communities and students are responsible for doing h&ps or vitals. Shadowing at these clinics can also help you pick up some medical spanish - a necessity if you plan to practice in underserved areas in Florida.
I think its apparent that I am biased toward USF, but there are plenty of SDNers that know all about why UF is great. Maybe they will add their opinions as well.
P.S. I found this youtube video about the new Center for Advanced Healthcare. The sound is kind of messed up, but the new center looks amazing. http://youtube.com/watch?v=X5YEut5t2WE
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My comments:
1) LCE is a great program and a real advantage over most other schools without something similar. You'll get a variety of experiences with your different LCE preceptors, with the more advanced specialties allowing you to do less but the primary care preceptors letting you practice histories and physicals. If it wasn't for my LCE during 2nd year in radiation oncology, I wouldn't be a future radiation oncology resident because I would never have found out about the field. I have heard similar stories from other students.
2) The clinical skills center is really nice and was only built a few years ago. I agree that regularly practicing on standardized patients who are trained to act out specific complaints is really helpful. Watching yourself can be painful, but does really make things stick. As a 4th year you can be a preceptor to 1st and 2nd year students in the clinical skills center teaching them physical diagnosis skills on standardized patients.
3) Scholarly concentrations were started after I was a 1st year so I can't comment.
4) Tampa Bay is a very diverse community and I agree that the diversity of facilities we are able to access is impressive. The places you will rotate mainly are TGH, Moffitt, Haley VA, USF clinics. There are opportunities to rotate at other places like Shriner's, but your experiences there will be much shorter. Everyone is assigned to practice H&Ps at either the JC Clinic or Brandon Outreach Clinic during 1st and 2nd year.
5) Students at USF are happy and my class definitely feels like we have bonded over the 4 years here. Sure you will have people who don't like a program wherever you go, but I have heard almost nothing overly negative among my classmates about their experience at USF.
6) The faculty is probably one of the strongest, if not strongest, asset in my opinion, especially the clinical faculty. Your 3rd year at USF is particularly strong because faculty and residents are very involved in teaching. You will graduate from USF a clinically competent MD.
7) Admissions at USF is one of the reasons that USF enticed me so much. They do a great job.
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Mike, while I was on my trip, a UF student told me that Moffitt is not going to be affiliated with USF anymore, and that they are switching to UF. I don't understand this, since it is on the USF campus. Have you heard anything about this?
Also, to all USF students, I would really like to hear some of the negative aspects of school there. Believe me, I heard enough about UF this past week, and I would really like to hear about USF so that I can really make an informed decision.
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I just got an email from USF saying that I need to contact them ASAP regarding my application. I have not interviewed there so now I am wondering if there is a problem with my app.
Did anyone get a similar experience?
Thanks in advance.
PS: I need to wait til my break to call them from cell. No signal right at work.
Did anyone get a similar experience?
Thanks in advance.
PS: I need to wait til my break to call them from cell. No signal right at work.
When USF writes that e-mail they are inviting you for an interview. Congrats!
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I haven't read through this thread, but I just wanted to post that I called Miami today, and they said that the last interview invites would be given out within the next week, with rejections to go out within the next few weeks. 
I fear as an OOSer (and with my "borderline" OOS 30 MCAT) I really should have sent a letter of interest. My bad.
I fear as an OOSer (and with my "borderline" OOS 30 MCAT) I really should have sent a letter of interest. My bad.
I think the consensus on this was that Moffitt is becoming affiliated with UF, but this does not affect USF's affiliation. UF gets mega research bucks so it can bring some much needed funds to Moffitt.
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Go to my or Mike's profile and do a recent post history search or go a few pages back but this was discussed.
Basically the short version of things is that USF still has a 10 year contract which was only negotiated 2 years ago or so, so that can't be broken. The difference is who will pay the pay checks for the physicians but USF still will be able to train its residents and med students using Moffitt. Moffitt is still part of the program and the new negotiation between UF and Moffitt is not one saying that UF owns Moffitt now but one saying that UF now has affiliations with them as well. It also means it would affect more research matters then clinical training but we'd still be able to do research with someone there over the summer or go for clinicals like they've been doing.
Furthermore, Moffitt is already mostly independent of USF so UF's new contract, in terms of research, is not really doing bad against USF because USF doesn't get most of Moffitt's funds as it is. Moffitt's research funds go directly to them which is why we are trying to open more official USF research centers and hospitals on campus.
UF wanted affiliation with them because they have plans for building a new research center on their campus for cancer research and this would be a good start for them. USF will still most likely have affiliation with Moffitt though as far as I can tell.
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USF is an ever-changing integrated learning environment. There is good and bad to that. Obviously the good being that you'll get to do all kinds of things that didn't exist before (clinical skills center and scholarly concentrations being great examples). The bad is that these things take some time to get the kinks worked out, and you might not have that time.
I don't know much about UF personally, but they do have the better, longer-standing reputation.
I don't know much about UF personally, but they do have the better, longer-standing reputation.
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I know this has been discussed thoroughly, but I guess I never really thought it was that true until it happened to me.
As the interview season winds down, I'd just like to say that it seems completely random! To future applications: don't expect to get in to one specific school, because you have no idea which way the dice will roll, IMO.
I am a competitive applicant for all of the Florida schools. I got interview invites from UF/UM but heard absolutely nothing from USF. I didn't apply to FSU, so I don't know what would have happened with them. I was ultimately accepted to UF and waitlisted at UM. I got a few interview invites out of state and (obviously) rejections.
Do you think that the appication process (particularly in Florida) is really that random?
As the interview season winds down, I'd just like to say that it seems completely random! To future applications: don't expect to get in to one specific school, because you have no idea which way the dice will roll, IMO.
I am a competitive applicant for all of the Florida schools. I got interview invites from UF/UM but heard absolutely nothing from USF. I didn't apply to FSU, so I don't know what would have happened with them. I was ultimately accepted to UF and waitlisted at UM. I got a few interview invites out of state and (obviously) rejections.
Do you think that the appication process (particularly in Florida) is really that random?
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Ya, my friend did. She decided on USF and is very happy with her decision.
Interviews to all FL schools here, but FSU's invite just came a week ago b/c of some technical difficulties they are having. I will not be attending it, I already have a UM acceptance, but I am still waiting for UF and USF acceptances. I think this whole process is random too. I also think that undergrad institutions favor their own students...anyone agree?
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As long as were on the subject:
UF: Hold
UM: Accepted
USF: Waitlist
FSU: Accepted
UF: Hold
UM: Accepted
USF: Waitlist
FSU: Accepted
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I can't speak for other schools, but I think UF tends to hold/waitlist a disproportionate ammount of its undergrads, unless you're an all-star. I'm not sure of the reason; possibly, because it likes the Ivy Leaguers, produces way too many pre-meds to accept them all, is just plain hard to get in to ...
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LOL I think USF favors UF students actually. But in all seriousness, I don't think it is that any school favors their own, but by being at a particular school you get to interac t with adcom directors and people very easily in person enough that if you spend time doing what they advise and getting to know them by talking directly to their offices rather then premed advisors, it can help your favor if you also have the numbers.
This is sort of the same idea behind why people believe that it can help to be in a given city for med school or at a given school if that is where you are thinking about doing residency.
UF and Miami traditionally have some of the most competitive applicants of the state so we see a big percentage of people getting in from those schools if not from the out of state top tier schools. UF tends to have about 50% of their class made up of UF undergrads as was the case with the current MS I class. Only 4 were USF alumni. One of those 4 later transferred to Hopkins so he's not technically a USF alumni completely, and aother had gone to UCF as a transient student. The other 2 had a 4.0 from USF. The one who went to UCF for part of her undergrad career was waitlisted despite how strong of an applicant she is.
But when you think about it, UF has about 3 times as many undergrad premeds as USF so these numbers make more sense. Furthermore, UF produces more competitive applicants in terms of both numbers and ECs.
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To finish my point from the previous post, part of why it seems so random is that this process is more subjective then people want to admit when they begin this process.
Non-numerical things such as ECs are an example of these subjective matters. For instance, some schools might find research mor important, others might find clinical experience more important, and yet others may think its important to have more volunteering and not have your experiences all as paid experiences.
I think these things is what makes it so subjective. Then there's the interview factor and what a person thinks of you or your responses.
I think this process is 70+% subjective.
Non-numerical things such as ECs are an example of these subjective matters. For instance, some schools might find research mor important, others might find clinical experience more important, and yet others may think its important to have more volunteering and not have your experiences all as paid experiences.
I think these things is what makes it so subjective. Then there's the interview factor and what a person thinks of you or your responses.
I think this process is 70+% subjective.
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Combination of wanting the best of the best of in state residents that went to IVY league and top tier universities and there being too many premeds to accept them all. Ultimately, however, 50% of the UF class is UF alumni.
As I said in my post, it is that way in the first year class this year from what my MS I friend tells me.
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I think you've hit upon every reason in this post. UF's admissions procedures are great pain precisely because they try to interview all of the Ivy League applicants they can, while leaving everyone else behind. The Ivy League students then get accepted elsewhere and UF has to scramble to fill its class with the average Joes it shunned all along.
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I disagree, I have been accepted to Harvard, Yale, Princeton Review, Kaplan, and U.M. and I am not a citizen of any of these states.
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Damn I should have applied to Kaplan.
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I agree with this. USF (and probably most schools) doesn't favor their own any more than applicants from anywhere else. I think it does help though getting letters of rec from faculty at your home institution since adcoms are more familiar with the letter writers in most cases, but I think that is a minor advantage. UF produces many many more med school applicants than USF, FSU, or Miami from my experience. That is why the majority of students at USF who went to FL schools are from UF.
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Tomorrow (March 20) is Match Day for all US medical schools and the list of where graduating students will be going should be sometime soon. It's always entertaining to take a look at match lists to see what fields and which schools that medical graduates are going to for residency. If I can get my hands on an electronic copy of USF's match list to send out I will let you know.
If I'm correct, NO ONE HAS BEEN WAITLISTED AT UF YET. They do not compile a waitlist until now, which is when the interview season is officially over. I interviewed last Friday and was just place in Hold category. We were told (and per some documentation they gave us) that they now go through all the hold applicants and compile an official waitlist. They will also accept some more people right away as they put this official waitlist together.
So those who are currently on hold will likely hear something very soon. Good luck!
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