Florida schools - interviews?

[medgator]

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As I just stated in another post, UCF will go far in my opinion. Orlando could use a medical school. The idea of another med school in Miami right now, not so much. I'd rather just see them have FAU increase its class size more at this point. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

Someone I know brought up a good point with me...

They are increasing med schools but wouldn't they need to increase number of residency spots as well?? Medgator could you comment on this if you are around??

Hey Gujudoc,

As far as residency spots go, the supply FAR exceeds the demand in most of the primary care fields. Almost 20-25% of the spots in Family Medicine go unfilled every year post-match. There are also unfilled spots in IM, Peds, and OB/GYN each year. There was a greater overall fill rate for all residencies year in the match; however, there still remain more sellers than buyers. FMGs/IMGs/DOs take up of the spots that aren't filled by american MD grads.

As for the specialties, that's another can of worms 😉 Many of them are filled almost exclusively by US MD's and the unfilled rates are close to ZERO. Think optho, derm, radiology, rad onc, ortho, neurosurg, Urology, ENT etc. Many have a tight supply of residency positions (derm comes to mind).

 

[MrBurns10]

Does anyone know how long UM gives students time to study for step 1 (if any)? and by time I mean a block of time without classes to devote almost solely to studying.

 

[McMD]

No idea about the time for Step 1 Burns...but to add to the previous post....IF FIU and UM were to join together at JMH....luckily it wouldn't affect us! Though I seriously hope they don't do this!! JMH "MAKES" UM what it is today (IMO).

 

[RunnerMD]

Does anyone know how long UM gives students time to study for step 1 (if any)? and by time I mean a block of time without classes to devote almost solely to studying.

Don't quote me on this, but I think its either 6 or 8 weeks. I remember one of the students making a big deal about this.

Also, re: the discussion of the new med schools...not to sound selfish, but is this really going to effect us when it comes to clinical years and residency? Even if FIU DOES use Jackson, they won't have students there when we are doing out clinical years (2008-10) b/c their students will still be in pre-cilinical years, right? And the same thing goes for residency spots, right?

 

[McMD]

Don't quote me on this, but I think its either 6 or 8 weeks. I remember one of the students making a big deal about this.

Also, re: the discussion of the new med schools...not to sound selfish, but is this really going to effect us when it comes to clinical years and residency? Even if FIU DOES use Jackson, they won't have students there when we are doing out clinical years (2008-10) b/c their students will still be in pre-cilinical years, right? And the same thing goes for residency spots, right?

Runner...yes, it will not directly affect us.

 

[sanford_w/o_son]

yes...they will be competing for the same pool of applicants and those applicants (let's not kid ourselves) will probably not be the ones with a 38 MCAT and 4.0 GPA, they will most likely be the ones who didn't get accepted to the other state schools (FSU had this problem and are only now starting to raise their stats)....

florida is the fourth fastest growing state in population. although a good chunk of that is retiree patients, this undoubtably also involves future pre-meds. if student spots at the two schools aren't increased gradually to meet this demand without exceeding it, then maybe all schools will accept more oos-ers to try to offset declining stats.

i think florida can do this with some success. imagine all the californians applying to expensive oos schools in florida rather than expensive oos schools in colder regions (which accept good chunks of oos-ers, like uic and downstate) and non-prestigious private schools, once they read in the msar that uf and usf actually accepts more than zero/handful of oos-ers. methinks florida will be okay.

 

[McMD]

florida is the fourth fastest growing state in population. although a good chunk of that is retiree patients, this undoubtably also involves future pre-meds. if student spots at the two schools aren't increased gradually to meet this demand without exceeding it, then maybe all schools will accept more oos-ers to try to offset declining stats.

i think florida can do this with some success. imagine all the californians applying to expensive oos schools in florida rather than expensive oos schools in colder regions (which accept good chunks of oos-ers, like uic and downstate) and non-prestigious private schools, once they read in the msar that uf and usf actually accepts more than zero/handful of oos-ers. methinks florida will be okay.

With both of these schools being state schools, I don't think they are going to accept a lot of OOSers.

 

[Tigerstang]

I'm still upset that none of these schools are in JACKSONVILLE. Duval county has an extreme shortage of physicians and NE Florida could use a school to supplement UF, which is getting increasingly difficult to get into. I can't understand why they'd throw another down south with UM's FAU program up and running. It just doesn't make sense to me. Guess those south Florida pol's are more persuasive than the rednecks we elect up in J-ville.

 

[sanford_w/o_son]

With both of these schools being state schools, I don't think they are going to accept a lot of OOSers.

i'm not going to claim anything close to valid knowledge on why or when state schools choose to accept oos-ers, but there are a good number of states schools in the country (none in florida) that now accept upwards of 1/4 oos-ers. off the top of my head are uic, downstate, ucla, ohsu, uwashington, uab, uva, unc, umich, uwisc, and ucsf. many of these probably have the luxury to do this due to good private funding. but i bet any public school would sooner take a well-qualified applicant willing to pay oos tuition than take a lesser-qualified in-state applicant, if it doesn't affect their overall funding. if it does affect their funding negatively, can they lobby the state to maintain funding while accepting more oos apps? is this a viable option for florida schools in the future?

 

[sanford_w/o_son]

I'm still upset that none of these schools are in JACKSONVILLE. Duval county has an extreme shortage of physicians and NE Florida could use a school to supplement UF, which is getting increasingly difficult to get into. I can't understand why they'd throw another down south with UM's FAU program up and running. It just doesn't make sense to me. Guess those south Florida pol's are more persuasive than the rednecks we elect up in J-ville.

good point. flagler county (NE florida) is the fastest-growing county in the country. don't UF students have clinical options at orlando regional? maybe once ucf is in operation they will focus more on the jacksonville area?

 

[Tigerstang]

i'm not going to claim anything close to valid knowledge on why or when state schools choose to accept oos-ers, but there are a good number of states schools in the country (none in florida) that now accept upwards of 1/4 oos-ers. off the top of my head are uic, downstate, ucla, ohsu, uwashington, uab, uva, unc, umich, uwisc, and ucsf. many of these probably have the luxury to do this due to good private funding. but i bet any public school would sooner take a well-qualified applicant willing to pay oos tuition than take a lesser-qualified in-state applicant, if it doesn't affect their overall funding. if it does affect their funding negatively, can they lobby the state to maintain funding while accepting more oos apps? is this a viable option for florida schools in the future?

Florida schools are mandated by state law to accept a certain percentage in state. These mandates are the most strict at FSU, the newest state COM. In fact, FSU has mandates not only regarding the number of in state students, but also the number who went to COLLEGE in the state of FL (in addition to being residents). It's all political...

 

[Tigerstang]

good point. flagler county (NE florida) is the fastest-growing county in the country. don't UF students have clinical options at orlando regional? maybe once ucf is in operation they will focus more on the jacksonville area?

its possible they might, but its still a surprise that j-ville, as one of the larger cities in the state, has no med school. especially with UNF being such a strong school. oh well. c'est la vie.

 

[CANES2006]

Too bad FIU wasn't open back when I started med school in 2002. I could have saved tons of money. 😡

 

[gujuDoc]

Does anyone know how long UM gives students time to study for step 1 (if any)? and by time I mean a block of time without classes to devote almost solely to studying.

Hmmmmmmm you might want to PM Arsenic about this. He's currently an MSII there and also forum liason between SDN and Dr. Hinkley.

He's on vacation right now, but I'd pm him, cuz I'm sure he'll get back to you as soon as he returns.

 

[gujuDoc]

Too bad FIU wasn't open back when I started med school in 2002. I could have saved tons of money. 😡

Awwww.. How did the match go for you??? Hopefully you got good news. What specialty did you match into and where?? Congrats on being almost done with medical school. 😛

 

[gujuDoc]

University of Puerto Rico

What is that talk about UCF and collaboration with UPR about??? Why would they need to be working in conjunction with a carrib school??? I'm totally confused. Someone please clarify. Pretty please. 😀

 

[CANES2006]

Awwww.. How did the match go for you??? Hopefully you got good news. What specialty did you match into and where?? Congrats on being almost done with medical school. 😛

Match went great. I matched into OB/GYN at Jackson Memorial Hospital my #1. Now I can stay close to family and enjoy fabulous weather for at least 4 more years. 😎

 

[gujuDoc]

Match went great. I matched into OB/GYN at Jackson Memorial Hospital my #1. Now I can stay close to family and enjoy fabulous weather for at least 4 more years. 😎

Warm weather is always a nice thing eh? 😛

Congratulations!! 🙂

 

[VinylFever]

i'm not going to claim anything close to valid knowledge on why or when state schools choose to accept oos-ers, but there are a good number of states schools in the country (none in florida) that now accept upwards of 1/4 oos-ers. off the top of my head are uic, downstate, ucla, ohsu, uwashington, uab, uva, unc, umich, uwisc, and ucsf. many of these probably have the luxury to do this due to good private funding. but i bet any public school would sooner take a well-qualified applicant willing to pay oos tuition than take a lesser-qualified in-state applicant, if it doesn't affect their overall funding. if it does affect their funding negatively, can they lobby the state to maintain funding while accepting more oos apps? is this a viable option for florida schools in the future?

I thought the state subsidized tuition difference between an in-state and an out-of-state student, so that the school, essentially, gets the same amount of dough for either.

 

[McMD]

I thought the state subsidized tuition difference between an in-state and an out-of-state student, so that the school, essentially, gets the same amount of dough for either.

I don't know the logistics, but this is the main reason UM has to accept so many in-state students even though it's private..it's all about funding.

 

[McMD]

I'm still upset that none of these schools are in JACKSONVILLE. Duval county has an extreme shortage of physicians and NE Florida could use a school to supplement UF, which is getting increasingly difficult to get into. I can't understand why they'd throw another down south with UM's FAU program up and running. It just doesn't make sense to me. Guess those south Florida pol's are more persuasive than the rednecks we elect up in J-ville.

agreed on the Jville claim, especially since Duval county WANTS a medical school here so bad. The mayor is standing firmly behind FSU to get a campus there. HOWEVER.....since FSU is trying to get a satellite campus there, UF and Mayo already have one there....it would seem that it is too over-run with med school affiliations....(though I disagree). I'm sure the NINTH med school for the state will be in Jville though!

I think it's kind of ridiculous that both UCF and FIU are going up at the SAME TIME...they could have at least let one get on its feet before opening the second. (just my opinion).

 

[RunnerMD]

I think it's kind of ridiculous that both UCF and FIU are going up at the SAME TIME...they could have at least let one get on its feet before opening the second. (just my opinion).

I agree. I think they should have opened the school at UCF in 08, and then one at UNF in 10. How about we send a letter to future governor Charlie Crist?

 

[cayberr]

i'm not going to claim anything close to valid knowledge on why or when state schools choose to accept oos-ers, but there are a good number of states schools in the country (none in florida) that now accept upwards of 1/4 oos-ers. off the top of my head are uic, downstate, ucla, ohsu, uwashington, uab, uva, unc, umich, uwisc, and ucsf. many of these probably have the luxury to do this due to good private funding. but i bet any public school would sooner take a well-qualified applicant willing to pay oos tuition than take a lesser-qualified in-state applicant, if it doesn't affect their overall funding. if it does affect their funding negatively, can they lobby the state to maintain funding while accepting more oos apps? is this a viable option for florida schools in the future?

My SO applied to UNC because tuition is ridiculously cheap, about $7-8k 😱 if you can get instate residency. Numbers aren't everything but with a 35 and 3.96, UNC was the only school he didn't get a secondary from. Applying in late October probably hurt him but still no secondary? Ouch. UNC admits about 20 OOS per year, very slim chances.

Totally off topic. I hope UF wins tonight but they always break my heart. Burnsie, sorry about Duke. When Reddick was pulled, looking at his face almost made me cry.

 

[QofQuimica]

I have mixed feelings as well. I felt like I was being cynical for not jumping for joy over it. I was happy for one school being added, but two is kind of a bit much (IMO). I don't see Baptist as going academic. I do hope they don't team up with Jackson....be a separate school..don't try to team up with another one. And to add to that, I'm kinda upset at FSU right now for trying to team with Shands and Mayo in Jville....if they are going to have a satellite campus in Jville, they should try to have their own hospital, not use someone else's. Just my $.02

They could share the hospital, like Cornell and Columbia do.

 

[frany584]

Has anyone that has been previously placed on the Miami Ranked List prior to an interview called/emailed the admissions office to find out more information about your status? Did they actually give you any information on your status/place on the ranked list? thanks 😀

 

[McMD]

They could share the hospital, like Cornell and Columbia do.

I'm not sure if you are referring to FSU or not, but that's what they tried to do..share the hospitals with either UF or Mayo...didn't work. Both schools sayed "absolutely not." Hopefully UM will do that with FIU.

 

[medgator]

good point. flagler county (NE florida) is the fastest-growing county in the country. don't UF students have clinical options at orlando regional? maybe once ucf is in operation they will focus more on the jacksonville area?

I believe FSU rotates third-year students at ORMC for their clerkships. As a UF student, you can do your acting internship month there during 4th year. I hear its a pretty good experience as far as AI's go.

 

[Endee]

What is that talk about UCF and collaboration with UPR about??? Why would they need to be working in conjunction with a carrib school??? I'm totally confused. Someone please clarify. Pretty please. 😀

"The University of Puerto Rico School of Medicine will collaborate with UCF’s medical college on research and also will help to develop the curriculum and provide student and faculty exchanges."

http://news.ucf.edu/UCFnews/index?page=article&id=002400410774959e30109f4453599007871&mode=news

 

[exigente chica]

Man, why can't UCF and FIU be opening this year..I don't want to wait another cycle to apply to these schools 😡

Ohh well.

 

[gujuDoc]

"The University of Puerto Rico School of Medicine will collaborate with UCF’s medical college on research and also will help to develop the curriculum and provide student and faculty exchanges."

http://news.ucf.edu/UCFnews/index?page=article&id=002400410774959e30109f4453599007871&mode=news

Does anyone else find this strange??? I would think with FSU, USF, UF, and Miami as models for how to set up a curricula, they'd be able to get advice from them and collaborate with them.

 

[gujuDoc]

I believe FSU rotates third-year students at ORMC for their clerkships. As a UF student, you can do your acting internship month there during 4th year. I hear its a pretty good experience as far as AI's go.

Thanks for clarifying that because I was wondering what the specific affiliations were between the schools and ORMC.

 

[wannabmed]

Does anyone know if Miami is still interviewing?!? According to their website I've been on their 'ranked list' for the past 6 months or so. I'm still hoping to get an interview, but it's getting rather late, yes?

 

[DrMike24]

Hey, has anybody looked at the lenders and figured out which lender to go with? I am not sure which one to choose...

 

[gujuDoc]

Does anyone know if Miami is still interviewing?!? According to their website I've been on their 'ranked list' for the past 6 months or so. I'm still hoping to get an interview, but it's getting rather late, yes?

Miami interviews up until April. However, at this point they are solely interviewing for alternate/waitlist positions. This is what Dr. Hinkley informed Arsenic to tell the SDN peepz.

Arsenic is a MS II there and the MCAT forum mod. If you have questions for Dr. Hinkley, he acts as a liason between the school and SDN to help the premeds get the correct info.

 

[VinylFever]

Does anyone else find this strange??? I would think with FSU, USF, UF, and Miami as models for how to set up a curricula, they'd be able to get advice from them and collaborate with them.

That is weird, Orlando has a huge Puerto Rican population though, maybe it has something to do with that...

 

[unfrozencaveman]

Does anyone else find this strange??? I would think with FSU, USF, UF, and Miami as models for how to set up a curricula, they'd be able to get advice from them and collaborate with them.

I think if they are establishing a linkage with another medical school, they mean they are going to collaborate on a curriculum, to work together at both schools. I don't think they mean they need advice on how to make one up. I could do that.

 

[gujuDoc]

I think if they are establishing a linkage with another medical school, they mean they are going to collaborate on a curriculum, to work together at both schools. I don't think they mean they need advice on how to make one up. I could do that.

Oh ok. At any rate, does anyone still find it strange?? I do. But maybe the post above yours is onto something about the PR population being high in Orlando having to do something to do with it.

 

[RunnerMD]

Where did you guys park for your USF interview? I'm contemplating parking across the street at Panera, but I think I'd be freaked out all day that I would be towed.

 

[deuist]

Where did you guys park for your USF interview? I'm contemplating parking across the street at Panera, but I think I'd be freaked out all day that I would be towed.

You park on campus. Once you arrive, go to the check-in hut at the entrance to the university. You'll receive a parking pass and directions of where to go.

 

[deuist]

Don't quote me on this, but I think its either 6 or 8 weeks.

The M2's get six weeks.

 

[deuist]

I'm not sure if you are referring to FSU or not, but that's what they tried to do..share the hospitals with either UF or Mayo...didn't work. Both schools sayed "absolutely not." Hopefully UM will do that with FIU.

I hope not. Jackson = UMiami. We can't have FIU coming in and changing around our hospital. There are tons of other places around town for FIU's students to rotate through.

 

[sanford_w/o_son]

This is what Dr. Hinkley informed Arsenic to tell the SDN peepz.

Arsenic is a MS II there and the MCAT forum mod. If you have questions for Dr. Hinkley, he acts as a liason between the school and SDN to help the premeds get the correct info.

sounds kinda kaiser soze . . .

 

[RunnerMD]

You park on campus. Once you arrive, go to the check-in hut at the entrance to the university. You'll receive a parking pass and directions of where to go.

Thanks Deuist. I know that we get the parking pass and directions when at the parking center, but I was wondering specifically if there was a "good" place to park. As far as I can remember, all of the lots were pretty far away. Thanks again!

 

[QofQuimica]

Thanks Deuist. I know that we get the parking pass and directions when at the parking center, but I was wondering specifically if there was a "good" place to park. As far as I can remember, all of the lots were pretty far away. Thanks again!

If you're wearing heels and don't want to walk, there is a little shuttle bus that goes around the campus, and it's free to ride it. The parking people should have maps to give you.

 

[RunnerMD]

So I've been checking out the finer details about USF, and I have a question re: the curriculum (Guju, you seem to know alot about USF so this might be right up your alley).

I was looking at the soph curriculum, and it "looks" like they are taking 9 classes at once. I'm guessing "physical diagnosis," is similar to other schools' "doctoring" classes, so its not a "real" class per se. Is colloquium a "real" class too? Just curious...thanks for your help!

Also, is the pre-matriculation program required?

 

[deuist]

If you're wearing heels and don't want to walk, there is a little shuttle bus that goes around the campus, and it's free to ride it. The parking people should have maps to give you.

Ah yes, I do remember the long walk from the parking lot to the medical school. I also remember getting lost and spending ten minutes asking around until I found the correct building.

 

[QofQuimica]

Ah yes, I do remember the long walk from the parking lot to the medical school. I also remember getting lost and spending ten minutes asking around until I found the correct building.

It *is* a big campus....but Jackson and Shands are not exactly simple places to navigate, either. 😛 I think I got the most lost at Shands.

 

[yrodri15]

Did some one mention USF interview?


Haha oh yea, I remember my experience... I was but 21 years of age.. a young buck just trying to find his path through life.... I arrived to Tam-pah the night before, and stayed in the wonderful Windgate; they tempted me with the lure of a free breakfast and free internet access, along with a complimentary belly dancing show that could rival those found in Las Vegas.

In any case, the interview started really early... I was dropped off, amphibiously, around the medical center - which was tucked away deep into the campus, hidden from sight (perhaps that allows them to test you... if you manage to find the office, you can't be that stupid, right? Yet another variable to consider along with MCAT and GPA). Once there, the head druid Larkin instructed me to feed. He explained a system where you would attain "points" depending on the net mass (measured in grams) of food you consumed throughout the day... He advised that the leaf-eaters should consume the greens... the carnivores the meat.. and the pansies the pastries. I had the pastry. Guava. Delicious.

After breakfast, they showed us around the school, and explained some of the history. It turns out, USF med was created by the Seminoles in 1867 in an attempt to find a cure for yellow fever. During WWII, it was used as a make-shift internment camp for Asian Americans. Every year, hundreds of elderly gather in Tam-pah to watch the annual citrus ritual - several hundred pounds of citrus are loaded onto wooden barges, and hauled by manitees up and down the West Coast. A rich, rich history indeed.

THe interviews were rather interesting in themselves. For starters, its closed file. THere are two interviewers, a faculty member and a student (normally a fourth year). The faculty member was a nice guy. After our handshake, he told me in fluent Spanish, "bebe del pezon de la sabiduria." Haha, what an odd fellow. The student interviewer was this incredibly hot blonde girl.

All in all, you should park in the lot that they instruct you Runner MD, that was the purpose of this post.



"-Amn gurl, you so pro-fine!"

 

[gujuDoc]

So I've been checking out the finer details about USF, and I have a question re: the curriculum (Guju, you seem to know alot about USF so this might be right up your alley).

I was looking at the soph curriculum, and it "looks" like they are taking 9 classes at once. I'm guessing "physical diagnosis," is similar to other schools' "doctoring" classes, so its not a "real" class per se. Is colloquium a "real" class too? Just curious...thanks for your help!

Also, is the pre-matriculation program required?

I'll start with what I know about the prematriculation program and have REL come and add a response to the other questions, because I'm not too sure on the other stuff.

REL if you see this please come out and respond to Runner's questions since you probably know the most about this. Thanks in advance. 😀

Ok, with that said.......

Prematriculation is not required at all, unless you are doing the new Special Masters Program that they have developed. The purpose of prematriculation programs, as with other schools with similar programs, are to create a way to help students who want to get a heads up on the kinds of things to expect in med school. At least, the old program was that way. Priorly, the program had given you the opportunity to do some biochem, gross anatomy, and other courses. I remember my former MCAT instructor telling us how they got to start working on cadavers during the summer itself. You took tests but the grades didn't count against you, back during the summer of 04 when he did it. Last year, they revamped the prematric program to accomodate the new SMP program.

In this program, prematric consists of 2 components. Both components are sort of a cased based learning program and skills assessment portion. The case based learning part of the program is like PBL sort of. The other part is to help you develop better study skills and assess your study skills and test taking skills.


I think you are right about physical diagnosis. One of the MSII's that I spoke with a few months ago told me that the second year is basically the more clinically relevant portion of the basic sciences.

I think (but don't quote me on this) that the Colloquium might be some sort of seminar class where they discuss cases. But REL would have to come here and give more about that because I really don't know much about what it is.

Oh and one more request for REL,

Can you tell me more about the kind of international opportunities USF has at their medical school?? Are there any international medical trip electives at USF COM?? Thanks.

 

[gujuDoc]

Did some one mention USF interview?


Haha oh yea, I remember my experience... I was but 21 years of age.. a young buck just trying to find his path through life.... I arrived to Tam-pah the night before, and stayed in the wonderful Windgate; they tempted me with the lure of a free breakfast and free internet access, along with a complimentary belly dancing show that could rival those found in Las Vegas.

In any case, the interview started really early... I was dropped off, amphibiously, around the medical center - which was tucked away deep into the campus, hidden from sight (perhaps that allows them to test you... if you manage to find the office, you can't be that stupid, right? Yet another variable to consider along with MCAT and GPA). Once there, the head druid Larkin instructed me to feed. He explained a system where you would attain "points" depending on the net mass (measured in grams) of food you consumed throughout the day... He advised that the leaf-eaters should consume the greens... the carnivores the meat.. and the pansies the pastries. I had the pastry. Guava. Delicious.

After breakfast, they showed us around the school, and explained some of the history. It turns out, USF med was created by the Seminoles in 1867 in an attempt to find a cure for yellow fever. During WWII, it was used as a make-shift internment camp for Asian Americans. Every year, hundreds of elderly gather in Tam-pah to watch the annual citrus ritual - several hundred pounds of citrus are loaded onto wooden barges, and hauled by manitees up and down the West Coast. A rich, rich history indeed.

THe interviews were rather interesting in themselves. For starters, its closed file. THere are two interviewers, a faculty member and a student (normally a fourth year). The faculty member was a nice guy. After our handshake, he told me in fluent Spanish, "bebe del pezon de la sabiduria." Haha, what an odd fellow. The student interviewer was this incredibly hot blonde girl.

All in all, you should park in the lot that they instruct you Runner MD, that was the purpose of this post.



"-Amn gurl, you so pro-fine!"