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Oh yeah, I know I've posted that I'd be sending in my FSU acceptance withdrawal....but I haven't yet. Sorry to anyone on the waitlist...I swear I'm sending it in soon!!...I'm trying to plan a wedding, get my data ready to publish a paper, and prepare for a conference....not to mention I don't have my printer hooked up to my computer...but I promise by the end of next week I'll get the waitlist moving!!
 
MrBurns10 said:
Q is stressed out trying to finish her dissertation sometime in the next month, and unfrozencaveman quit SDN to co-produce the next Girls Gone Wild video. Granted this hasn't been confirmed by her, but it's just gotta be true.

Truth is, I'm co-producing AND starring in GGW- Boston. Things I do in the video:

Pretend I go to Harvard when I go to Harvard Extension

That's it. It's pretty crazy.
 
unfrozencaveman said:
Truth is, I'm co-producing AND starring in GGW- Boston. Things I do in the video:

Pretend I go to Harvard when I go to Harvard Extension

That's it. It's pretty crazy.
Geez, you really ARE wild. Where can I get one of these videos?
 
so whats new in FL?
 
Anyone gonna interview at UF on Friday? Or have any suggestions for someone that is? Also, as an aside, would you guys say that UF is the best school in Florida? Would you advise to go to a higher ranked out of state school or stick with UF?

Apparently, here are the board scores for UF...
http://www.med.ufl.edu/oea/cc/romrell5.html

I'm not sure how to read this, but from what I gleaned, about half of the class had 231+ boards with the average around 230. Isn't that a bit on the high end for a state school? Check out the match list here: http://www.med.ufl.edu/oea/cc/match05.pdf
 
rrshah2 said:
Anyone gonna interview at UF on Friday? Or have any suggestions for someone that is? Also, as an aside, would you guys say that UF is the best school in Florida? Would you advise to go to a higher ranked out of state school or stick with UF?

Apparently, here are the board scores for UF...
http://www.med.ufl.edu/oea/cc/romrell5.html

I'm not sure how to read this, but from what I gleaned, about half of the class had 231+ boards with the average around 230. Isn't that a bit on the high end for a state school? Check out the match list here: http://www.med.ufl.edu/oea/cc/match05.pdf


I would say that all the 4 florida schools, especially the 3 more established schools USF, UMiami, and UF are all equally good. USF and Miami also have produced high board scores on the step one in the past few years, but the data is not as easily accessible like it is for MCAT scores in admissions to med school.

It's foolish to think that UF's status as a state school means that you would assume that it would have lesser board scores. Many state schools, such as California schools, UNC, UF, and other schools are RANKED on the top 50 list. And quite obviously there's a good reason for that. They produce top research centers, top scores on boards and their applicants often also have top GPAs and MCATs as well. They do well in the residency match, etc.

If you are going on rankings solely, then UF is the top ranked Florida school. It is in the 40's. I believe it is tied with a few other schools for ranking of 46, but a few years ago ranked as high as 43 and above schools like Boston University and Georgetown just as recent as 2 years ago.

UF's research centers are quite well known, and their Shands hospital will produce some of the very very very rare cases that you won't see in a typical county hospital. The draw back with UF is that it doesn't have as many clinical sites as USF and Miami has in terms of population diversity. However, they do try their best to compensate by having the Shands Jacksonville and VA centers which add to the diversity factor.

They do have a very good education. However, ultimately where you go is dependent on where you'll be the happiest at. If you pick a school based solely on the ranking, then you may be doing yourself a disservice because every school is different in terms of the atmosphere, curriculum set up, and so forth. For instance, some people will learn better via a PBL curricula, while others learn better by lecture based curricula, etc. Go to which school you feel will make you the happiest in the end, because if you go for ranking and it wasn't the best fit you may end up absolutely miserable, and med school is so tough as it is that you wouldn't want to make it tougher by being unhappy where you are at.
 
One more thing, I'd consider financial aid offers too. If scores are high enough, some schools give full or partial scholarships to outstanding applicants, so that is definitely another factor to take into consideration in making your decision.
 
Every time I look at UF's match list, I think about Dr. Hinkley trash talking it during our interview day. Hilarious.
 
MrBurns10 said:
Every time I look at UF's match list, I think about Dr. Hinkley trash talking it during our interview day. Hilarious.


See that's something I don't get. Why do school's trash talk others without seeing the match lists??? The matchlists from both schools are top notch and both produce excellent doctors and researchers. I don't honestly think there's anything wrong with UF, UMiami, or USF or even FSU. You go where you fit best at and do your best there and you still end up with an MD at the end of the day.

:laugh: :laugh:
 
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MrBurns10 said:
Every time I look at UF's match list, I think about Dr. Hinkley trash talking it during our interview day. Hilarious.

Have you heard any trash about UF being impersonal and competitive? My friend that goes there keeps telling me that but I'd like a second opinion 😉

To add to my previous post, I wasn't implying that UF shouldn't have high board scores. Just that I was pleasantly surprised to see that they do and was wondering if I was interpreting the distribution correctly. Some people consider UF to be a "Public IVY" and I was wondering if that is the general consensus.

And another thing...one of my friends interviewed at UF and got his acceptance a week later. Is this typical? I'm looking to cancel other interviews as far as possible.
 
rrshah2 said:
Have you heard any trash about UF being impersonal and competitive? My friend that goes there keeps telling me that but I'd like a second opinion 😉

To add to my previous post, I wasn't implying that UF shouldn't have high board scores. Just that I was pleasantly surprised to see that they do and was wondering if I was interpreting the distribution correctly. Some people consider UF to be a "Public IVY" and I was wondering if that is the general consensus.

And another thing...one of my friends interviewed at UF and got his acceptance a week later. Is this typical? I'm looking to cancel other interviews as far as possible.


I have a couple of friends at UF. I've heard varying opinions over the years, about the school. Some absolutely love it, and others think it is impersonal. It really depends on who you talk to. My own impression was that they were really impersonal when I met some people at one of their forums. However, other students have said they got the general feeling that most students were happy there.

As per acceptances, at UF......They generally aren't like other schools that have a set time when they'll let you know. If you are at the very very beginning of the interview cycle, you won't here until the Oct. 15th date which is like a month after the first interviews. However, after that, it varies based on the fact that they put a lot of people on hold. In the fall, for instance, they interview tons of people and then put them on hold to see who else comes along in the interview pool. Then later on, in Christmas break, and then again in mid spring they decide who they want to take off hold and put on alternate lists or direct acceptance. They don't tend to give weekly acceptances because they want to assess applicants against a larger pool, rather the small interview pool of who you interviewed with on a particular day.

One of my friends who goes there interviewed in oct and was put on hold til December, while another interviewed in January was put on hold, then alternate and then finally acceptance late in spring. It really varies, though, in comparison with USF which hands out acceptances weekly.

I'd hold on to other interviews until you get at least ONE acceptance, especially at this late in the stage when you can't be sure that you'll get an acceptance since many classes are starting to fill up to the beyond halfway point.

At this stage, a lot of schools will start giving out waitlists and what not, unless they think you are a superior applicant. hence you don't want to take any chances until you know you have a spot for sure at some medical school, and hopefully one you'll be happy at.
 
gujuDoc said:
See that's something I don't get. Why do school's trash talk others without seeing the match lists??? The matchlists from both schools are top notch and both produce excellent doctors and researchers. I don't honestly think there's anything wrong with UF, UMiami, or USF or even FSU. You go where you fit best at and do your best there and you still end up with an MD at the end of the day.

:laugh: :laugh:
Haha, well I don't think he means he think it's bad (I think it's a very good match list), but he made a lot of sarcastic comments about how UF brags about its match list but like 75% of people match to Shands. I don't think he meant it in a malicious way, but I think he realizes he's competing against UF and doesn't want others to automatically fall into the "lore" of the only Florida school ranked in the top 50 (although UM isn't far behind...something like 9 slots or so).

rrshah2, I would just go to the interview and see what your impressions are. You could hate it or you could really like it, you just never know. Some schools I thought I wouldn't like I loved when I visited, and some I thought I'd like I hated the feeling I got. Talk to people while you're there but go into with an unbiased attitude and I think you'll be fine. Good luck!
 
MrBurns10 said:
Haha, well I don't think he means he think it's bad (I think it's a very good match list), but he made a lot of sarcastic comments about how UF brags about its match list but like 75% of people match to Shands. I don't think he meant it in a malicious way, but I think he realizes he's competing against UF and doesn't want others to automatically fall into the "lore" of the only Florida school ranked in the top 50 (although UM isn't far behind...something like 9 slots or so).

UF's C/O 2005 was definitely a bit unusual in that regard. It isn't that UF-centric generally. A lot of people had an interest in staying in Gainesville for a multitude of reasons. Regardless, Im sure that it's true for many schools (including UM). As a medical student, you get a chance to know your own school's residency program well... and if the shoe fits, why not wear it? I don't know what Hinkley is talking about -- UF places a lot of people in competitive specialties every year.
 
gujuDoc said:
As per acceptances, at UF......They generally aren't like other schools that have a set time when they'll let you know. If you are at the very very beginning of the interview cycle, you won't here until the Oct. 15th date which is like a month after the first interviews. However, after that, it varies based on the fact that they put a lot of people on hold. In the fall, for instance, they interview tons of people and then put them on hold to see who else comes along in the interview pool. Then later on, in Christmas break, and then again in mid spring they decide who they want to take off hold and put on alternate lists or direct acceptance. They don't tend to give weekly acceptances because they want to assess applicants against a larger pool, rather the small interview pool of who you interviewed with on a particular day.

I know 2 friends of mine who received acceptances within 5 days of interviewing (friday interview, tuesday acceptance). Both of them were stellar candidates and went to UF undergrad. It's probably the exception, but it still happens nonetheless.
 
medgator said:
UF's C/O 2005 was definitely a bit unusual in that regard. It isn't that UF-centric generally. A lot of people had an interest in staying in Gainesville for a multitude of reasons. Regardless, Im sure that it's true for many schools (including UM). As a medical student, you get a chance to know your own school's residency program well... and if the shoe fits, why not wear it? I don't know what Hinkley is talking about -- UF places a lot of people in competitive specialties every year.
Oh I don't think he was at all referring to the competitiveness of the specialties, just the overabundance of Shands matches. But either way I think he was just joking, it was just funny is all. All the Florida schools have solid matches, so you really can't go wrong anywhere.
 
Burns...out of curiousity, do you know where you're going next year?
 
medgator said:
I know 2 friends of mine who received acceptances within 5 days of interviewing (friday interview, tuesday acceptance). Both of them were stellar candidates and went to UF undergrad. It's probably the exception, but it still happens nonetheless.


My main point was the UF doesn't give every single person a response of acceptance that quickly. It depends on the individual candidate.
 
MrBurns10 said:
Oh I don't think he was at all referring to the competitiveness of the specialties, just the overabundance of Shands matches. But either way I think he was just joking, it was just funny is all. All the Florida schools have solid matches, so you really can't go wrong anywhere.

This reference to Hinkley or rrshah's post. Now I'm confused. If it is reference to Hinkley's words.......Ok, thanks for clarification.
 
It's referring to Hinkley.
 
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McMD said:
It's referring to Hinkley.

Thanks for clarification to both of you!!!!!!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Carry on.
 
rrshah2 said:
Have you heard any trash about UF being impersonal and competitive? My friend that goes there keeps telling me that but I'd like a second opinion 😉

I have heard the same from a friend of mine that is a 1st year........but that was at the begining of classes, I think they are much more comfortable now that things have settled down.
 
McMD said:
Burns...out of curiousity, do you know where you're going next year?
Honestly, I have no clue...it varies depending on what day you ask me. I've gotten into two in-state and two out of state schools so far, and I'm still waiting to hear back from a couple (and I have three more interviews scheduled, but I think I'll probably cancel at least one). There's one school I would definitely go to if I'm accepted, but it's a long shot so I'm not holding my breath. But hopefully second look weekends will make my decision a little easier. How about you?
 
Mine varies depending on the week you ask me. I was accepted to 2 in-state as well and 2 out-of-state..since my 4 acceptances, I've declined all other interviews...for lack of time to travel. This week, I'm thinking UM...plus my fiance is excited about Miami now as well...so that's always a plus. I feel fortunate to be accepted to every school I interviewed at...don't get me wrong...but I kinda wish I had only been accepted to one school...it would make this decision a lot easier!
 
Heres a thought to help you narrow your options--try to figure round out possible residency choices. At the very least, try to figure out if surgery is for you. Shadow a surgeon and a clinician and compare. If you really like the OR, you may want to go to UF because most surgical subspecialties are very competitive (especially Ortho and Plastics but Neuro and ENT to a lesser degree as well). If you know surgery is not for you, your options open up a bit. Then, as long as you dont want derm or radiation onc, pretty much any of the FL schools will get you where you want to be. From there it becomes more of a lifestyle choice. You will find that there is a significant amount of down time in med school--in the first week or so after a joint exam, or after you're done reviewing lectures for the week--and you really want to enjoy where you live to help relieve the stress. Gainesville (I am an undergrad alumnus) is a rather dull place, comparatively. Lastly, moving sucks. If you can help it and most of the other factors are about even, choose the school where you can see yourself eventually settling down, since you already have an inside track to get a residency there, you can take advantage of it because you would actually want to live there as opposed to using it as a rest stop before some glamorous residency in New Haven or Durham. For instance, if you got into Duke and Northwestern but definitely wanted to live in a large urban area after med school, whatever advantage is conferred by the additional luster of Duke is somewhat mitigated by the lost advantage of being a Northwestern grad and getting into one of their programs in Chicago. This assumes that graduating from Duke will not give you the same advantage in applying to NW's programs as being a NW grad, which is roughly true for the FL schools (ie. graduating from UF will not bestow the same advantage as being a UM grad and applying for a spot at Jackson Memorial even though FL is the more prestigious of the two).
 
I think maybe school reputation when you're considering extremely competitive specialties might make a difference when you're deciding between Harvard and UM, but UM and and UF???
 
unfrozencaveman said:
I think maybe school reputation when you're considering extremely competitive specialties might make a difference when you're deciding between Harvard and UM, but UM and and UF???
I gotta say I agree with caveman. #46 vs. #55 is not that big of a difference, and when you get down to the 40s I think where you go stops mattering much at all.
 
MrBurns10 said:
I gotta say I agree with caveman. #46 vs. #55 is not that big of a difference, and when you get down to the 40s I think where you go stops mattering much at all.

Truth is though, Burns always agrees with me, to look cool.
 
unfrozencaveman said:
Truth is though, Burns always agrees with me, to look cool.



:laugh: :laugh: ...cute...
 
gujuDoc said:
I have a couple of friends at UF. I've heard varying opinions over the years, about the school. Some absolutely love it, and others think it is impersonal. It really depends on who you talk to. My own impression was that they were really impersonal when I met some people at one of their forums. However, other students have said they got the general feeling that most students were happy there.

As per acceptances, at UF......They generally aren't like other schools that have a set time when they'll let you know. If you are at the very very beginning of the interview cycle, you won't here until the Oct. 15th date which is like a month after the first interviews. However, after that, it varies based on the fact that they put a lot of people on hold. In the fall, for instance, they interview tons of people and then put them on hold to see who else comes along in the interview pool. Then later on, in Christmas break, and then again in mid spring they decide who they want to take off hold and put on alternate lists or direct acceptance. They don't tend to give weekly acceptances because they want to assess applicants against a larger pool, rather the small interview pool of who you interviewed with on a particular day.

One of my friends who goes there interviewed in oct and was put on hold til December, while another interviewed in January was put on hold, then alternate and then finally acceptance late in spring. It really varies, though, in comparison with USF which hands out acceptances weekly.

I'd hold on to other interviews until you get at least ONE acceptance, especially at this late in the stage when you can't be sure that you'll get an acceptance since many classes are starting to fill up to the beyond halfway point.

At this stage, a lot of schools will start giving out waitlists and what not, unless they think you are a superior applicant. hence you don't want to take any chances until you know you have a spot for sure at some medical school, and hopefully one you'll be happy at.


This is not how the process was described at my interview, or how I experienced it.

I had a friday interview. The adcom met on the next monday, and reached a decision on everyone that they interviewed: reject, alternate, or accept. My interviewer e-mailed me a couple of days later to let me know I was in (the letter came a day or two after that).
 
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MrBurns10 said:
I gotta say I agree with caveman. #46 vs. #55 is not that big of a difference, and when you get down to the 40s I think where you go stops mattering much at all.

It's definitely early for most of you guys to know what you really want to do.... people change their minds a million times in med school before they finally decide on what they want to do. That said, I am starting a residency in a pretty competitive field.... and I am pretty sure that I had a leg up just coming from UF simply because the department there was so solid in terms of faculty support and research opportunities. I'm sure that if optho or trauma surgery is your gig, UM might be a way to go (strong in both areas). If ENT or neurosurgery is on your horizon, UF may offer you the boost you need come residency app time (again, strong depts). I would have never known about this coming into med school, but after securing a residency, I am glad I ended up at UF.

This is something to keep in mind, but again I will re-iterate, most people have no idea what they want to do (I had no clue) before med school so you should ultimately go with the place that will make you the happiest (people-wise, curriculum-wise, city-wise).
 
unfrozencaveman said:
I think maybe school reputation when you're considering extremely competitive specialties might make a difference when you're deciding between Harvard and UM, but UM and and UF???

How about between UM and Emory?
 
The USNews rankings provide false insight into the true difference between programs. What really matters for most people is who can get them into the residency they want. In that case, there is a difference between UF, UM and USF. UF will probably help give you an advantage at most programs if your numbers would otherwise be similar. This difference doesnt really have the weight in the rankings because USNews lumps the residency directors perceptions of the schools in with several other metrics (many quite useless--if you're into peds, research money probably wont mean much).

To get a true appreciation of how much more valuable the UF name is than say UM or USF, look at how many people match into the competitive fields and then to which institution. Over a large enough sampling (say 3-5 years), there will be a discernable difference between UF's match list and those of other in-state schools.
 
medgator said:
...most people have no idea what they want to do (I had no clue) before med school so you should ultimately go with the place that will make you the happiest (people-wise, curriculum-wise, city-wise).

Though I agree with most of what medgator said, I still believe you can at least make an effort to round out the possibilities before starting med school. Even if you can rule out surgery (dont like the hours/OR/lack of patient contact), that helps because most subspecialties in surgery are pretty competitive. Also, if certain factors overwhelmingly persuade you towards a particular type of residency, say pediatrics--like working with kids, dont want to spend forever in residency--use that to help guide you.

Also, there are odd cases where a certain school of lower ranking has a surprisingly well ranked program in some specialty (eg. Miami w/ Derm), in which case if you knew you wanted to to derm, Miami would be the place to go since I think they accept somewhere around 1 person from their class into the program each year--residency programs will sometimes refer to this as 'recycling their own trash.' Again, point being, it helps to have some kind of an idea as to what you're interested in doing. You dont have to pin it down, but at least having a list of 3-4 strong possibilities can help.
 
futrdoc said:
How about between UM and Emory?

All things being equal, I would pick Emory over UM. Emory has a powerhouse medical center and a number of highly regarded residency programs. That's just my personal opinion. I don't know the US news ranking of it.... or if it even breaks the top 50, although I would be very surprised if it didn't.
 
junebuguf said:
Though I agree with most of what medgator said, I still believe you can at least make an effort to round out the possibilities before starting med school. Even if you can rule out surgery (dont like the hours/OR/lack of patient contact), that helps because most subspecialties in surgery are pretty competitive. Also, if certain factors overwhelmingly persuade you towards a particular type of residency, say pediatrics--like working with kids, dont want to spend forever in residency--use that to help guide you.

Also, there are odd cases where a certain school of lower ranking has a surprisingly well ranked program in some specialty (eg. Miami w/ Derm), in which case if you knew you wanted to to derm, Miami would be the place to go since I think they accept somewhere around 1 person from their class into the program each year--residency programs will sometimes refer to this as 'recycling their own trash.' Again, point being, it helps to have some kind of an idea as to what you're interested in doing. You dont have to pin it down, but at least having a list of 3-4 strong possibilities can help.

I definitely agree with you. Again, I will say this wasnt at the top of my mind when deciding between FL schools. After going through the residency app process, I think it should have been. For me, I made the right choice back then.
 
ND2005 said:
This is not how the process was described at my interview, or how I experienced it.

I had a friday interview. The adcom met on the next monday, and reached a decision on everyone that they interviewed: reject, alternate, or accept. My interviewer e-mailed me a couple of days later to let me know I was in (the letter came a day or two after that).


I guess it depends on the person. They put a lot of people on hold and decide later whether they want them or not, or whether they want to put them on alternate list. I had several friends interviewing at UF last year and a few this year as well. They were mostly put on hold immediately and then put on alternate, accept, or reject list much later on.

Again, it depends on the individual case.
 
medgator said:
All things being equal, I would pick Emory over UM. Emory has a powerhouse medical center and a number of highly regarded residency programs. That's just my personal opinion. I don't know the US news ranking of it.... or if it even breaks the top 50, although I would be surprised if it didn't.


Emory is a top 20 school in the USNEWS rankings.
 
ND2005 said:
This is not how the process was described at my interview, or how I experienced it.

I had a friday interview. The adcom met on the next monday, and reached a decision on everyone that they interviewed: reject, alternate, or accept. My interviewer e-mailed me a couple of days later to let me know I was in (the letter came a day or two after that).

Presumably this far down the pike, they are not still putting people on the "hold", and reevaluating them later. I'd assume that if you interview in feb, they make a final decision on you immediately (even if it is a waitlist). But, in October they do exactly as guju described-- make a final decision on very few, and then put a lot of people on the "hold" to look at them again later and decide on a course of action with their app.
 
unfrozencaveman said:
Presumably this far down the pike, they are not still putting people on the "hold", and reevaluating them later. I'd assume that if you interview in feb, they make a final decision on you immediately (even if it is a waitlist). But, in October they do exactly as guju described-- make a final decision on very few, and then put a lot of people on the "hold" to look at them again later and decide on a course of action with their app.

I think there is definitely a smaller "fast-track" for certain segments of the applicant pool... namely, strong UF grads (the ones i've known have been UFers) who get a positive decision early in the cycle (oct. nov.)
 
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junebuguf said:
To get a true appreciation of how much more valuable the UF name is than say UM or USF, look at how many people match into the competitive fields and then to which institution. Over a large enough sampling (say 3-5 years), there will be a discernable difference between UF's match list and those of other in-state schools.

Simply not True.......Have you looked at the match lists? There are not significant differences in the #/location of specialties matched at either of the 3 established Florida schools.

Nothing against UF but you are talking about it like it is an ivy leauge school which it isn't. The only area I would say they have a significant advantage over any of the other Florida schools is academic medicine, (they almost tripple the national average when it comes to graduates planning on pursuing a carreer in academic medicine). As it has been said time and time again all of the Florida schools will present you with comparable residency options if you have the right grades/scores.
 
unfrozencaveman said:
Presumably this far down the pike, they are not still putting people on the "hold", and reevaluating them later. I'd assume that if you interview in feb, they make a final decision on you immediately (even if it is a waitlist). But, in October they do exactly as guju described-- make a final decision on very few, and then put a lot of people on the "hold" to look at them again later and decide on a course of action with their app.


GOOD POINT!!!!!!!! 👍 👍
 
1SwtWrld said:
Simply not True.......Have you looked at the match lists? There are not significant differences in the #/location of specialties matched at either of the 3 established Florida schools.

Nothing against UF but you are talking about it like it is an ivy leauge school which it isn't. The only area I would say they have a significant advantage over any of the other Florida schools is academic medicine, (they almost tripple the national average when it comes to graduates planning on pursuing a carreer in academic medicine). As it has been said time and time again all of the Florida schools will present you with comparable residency options if you have the right grades/scores.


I agree with the above post. If you look at Match lists from USF and UMiami, you'll find people match into competitive programs out of state as well. Med school, like undergrad, is what you put into it.

Just because a particular school is unranked doesn't mean its going to be any easier then the ranked schools at the med school level. I know students at USF and Miami and its a lot of work and those that are at the top are the one's that study the hardest like anywhere else, and they still match into competitive fields coming out if they put the work into it to do well on the boards and grades and what not.
 
gujuDoc said:
I agree with the above post. If you look at Match lists from USF and UMiami, you'll find people match into competitive programs out of state as well. Med school, like undergrad, is what you put into it.

Just because a particular school is unranked doesn't mean its going to be any easier then the ranked schools at the med school level. I know students at USF and Miami and its a lot of work and those that are at the top are the one's that study the hardest like anywhere else, and they still match into competitive fields coming out if they put the work into it to do well on the boards and grades and what not.

I agree with you. Nonetheless, A big medical center (like Shands or Jackson Memorial) will provide you with more opportunities than what you might have had otherwise with regard to research and faculty/department connections. In that regard, I think UF and UM are tops in the state. Getting into a residency is a different process than getting into med school. Your letters, clinical grades (which have a component of subjectivity to them), and research (for the competitive fields) are of the prime importance.

Don't get me wrong. Hard work will carry you through med school. But these extras may help you out in the end when it comes time to getting into a residency, especially the more competitive ones. If you know you aren't interested in one of those, this probably isn't an issue for you.
 
medgator said:
I agree with you. Nonetheless, A big medical center (like Shands or Jackson Memorial) will provide you with more opportunities than what you might have had otherwise with regard to research and faculty/department connections. In that regard, I think UF and UM are tops in the state. Getting into a residency is a different process than getting into med school. Your letters, clinical grades (which have a component of subjectivity to them), and research (for the competitive fields) are of the prime importance.

Don't get me wrong. Hard work will carry you through med school. But these extras may help you out in the end when it comes time to getting into a residency, depending on what you want to go into.


I'm not saying these things don't confer any advantage, and I agree with you completely. I just think sometimes people put toooooo much stock into a rankings without looking at the whole package when determining where to go.

I think if people have a good idea of a few fields of interest, then Junebug's idea might not be a bad one. But the problem with that is that, what you want to do completely changes by the time you get to third year with many students.
 
1SwtWrld said:
Simply not True.......Have you looked at the match lists? There are not significant differences in the #/location of specialties matched at either of the 3 established Florida schools.

Nothing against UF but you are talking about it like it is an ivy leauge school which it isn't. The only area I would say they have a significant advantage over any of the other Florida schools is academic medicine, (they almost tripple the national average when it comes to graduates planning on pursuing a carreer in academic medicine). As it has been said time and time again all of the Florida schools will present you with comparable residency options if you have the right grades/scores.


I have looked at the match lists, and it is true. Heres the link comparing USF and UF for 2004--USF and UF--A cursory examination reveals slightly more competitive matches at UF and to more prestigious institutions. You could do a far more detailed analysis for the last 5 years, comparing UF, UM and USF and you would likely arrive at the same conclusion: there is a difference.

Now, in regards to the magnitude of this difference...well, I never said it was equivalent to that between an ivy and say FSU. I simply said there *is* a difference, and that it becomes more palpable with the competitiveness of the residency you choose. It is, in fact, far more subtle. For instance, USF matched two into derm in '04. UF matched three, but whats more interesting is that USF almost never seems to match a derm applicant anywhere other than at USF. Of UFs three matches, one was at Shands, the other two elsewhere. Over the last five or so years, other than at a match at Shands, one at Jackson Memorial and one at Emory, there havent been any Derms sent out of Tampa. In the same time, UF has sent matches to more than twice as many different schools. This is a fine distinction, and one that may not mean anything to the average matriculant, but if you're interested in derm it *is* tantamount to a difference between an ivy and, say, FSU, since derm is so hard to match into. All of which only serves to underscore my initial point, which was that making an effort to figure out which residencies interest you before you start med school will help you decide which school to attend.
 
junebuguf said:
I have looked at the match lists, and it is true. Heres the link comparing USF and UF for 2004--USF and UF--A cursory examination reveals slightly more competitive matches at UF and to more prestigious institutions. You could do a far more detailed analysis for the last 5 years, comparing UF, UM and USF and you would likely arrive at the same conclusion: there is a difference.

Now, in regards to the magnitude of this difference...well, I never said it was equivalent to that between an ivy and say FSU. I simply said there *is* a difference, and that it becomes more palpable with the competitiveness of the residency you choose. It is, in fact, far more subtle. For instance, USF matched two into derm in '04. UF matched three, but whats more interesting is that USF almost never seems to match a derm applicant anywhere other than at USF. Of UFs three matches, one was at Shands, the other two elsewhere. Over the last five or so years, other than at a match at Shands, one at Jackson Memorial and one at Emory, there havent been any Derms sent out of Tampa. In the same time, UF has sent matches to more than twice as many different schools. This is a fine distinction, and one that may not mean anything to the average matriculant, but if you're interested in derm it *is* tantamount to a difference between an ivy and, say, FSU, since derm is so hard to match into. All of which only serves to underscore my initial point, which was that making an effort to figure out which residencies interest you before you start med school will help you decide which school to attend.

I agree completely.... for the ultra competitive residencies, (neurosurg, ortho, derm, plastics, rad onc etc.) I think UF has a consistently higher match rate in terms of number/location of matches than any of the other FL schools, with UM coming in a close second.
 
As the wise Guju said, go where you will be most happiest. The school does not make the student, it is the other way around. If you are a good student, you will succeed almost anywhere you go - and the differences with regard to opportunity isn't significant between the three main Florida Schools. In Miami, last year there was a girl that scored a 258 in Step I, has great research experience, and is shooting for a plastics spot.

In any case, compromising four years of the best years of your life (20's), for the sake of saving a couple of thousand dollars (which can be deferred post-residency) is not the way to go IMO. As I said before, I will go where I will be most happiest - location and lifestyle are my top two priorities.
 
medgator said:
I agree completely.... for the highly competitive residencies, (neurosurg, ortho, derm, plastics, rad onc etc.) I think UF has a consistently higher match rate in terms of number/location of matches than any of the other FL schools, with UM coming in a close second.


Highly, highly dubious. See below.

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/45360
 
unfrozencaveman said:

That's great :laugh:

I always wonder though, when people link stories from The Onion, how many readers think the stories are true.

Since we're joking about UF, though, does anyone remember when a few years ago UF printed something (maybe it was a course catalog, or something for football--something with a large distribution), that had a crocodile on it instead of an alligator. They got so much crap for that lol
 
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