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"I am just clueless how do we go about the clinical expertise needed for CPE"
there is a manual step by step for each section about the content of the examination in the ECFVG web site.

" I believe getting through bsce or navle shouldn't be really a big deal"
Complete disagree with you, those are really hard tests even for an experience practitioner, especially the NAVLE is a very specific test in theory and practice of every major specie, even if you work with small animals, the questions in large animals will be hard to answer without studying for a long long.

" how much really veterinarians after few years of experience earn in USA and why there is so much disparity in different states ? "
salary depend not only in what state but in what city you do work, is for the same reason that the cost of living is different in different states in the united states, for example an average house in California would cost $600000 and the same house in the midwest will cost $200000. Salaries varies as well as the living cost of the city. To be more specific a new graduate veterinary could make in Los Angeles, CA or in another big metropolis a starting salary of approx. $60000, a experience vet in a big practice $90000, and a specialist over $100000. It would be way less than that in other states.

"When it comes to hiring , do ECFVG doctors face any challenge or bias as compared to other fresh university graduates'
No, it will depend on who has more knowledge and experience in practice.

"for how long navle score would be valid before I could appear and pass cpe"
that info is in the ECFVG web site.

Good luck.
Thanks for your valuable guidance , I didn't mean to undermine the hardness of Navle or Bsce test , But what I meant that , study resources needed for these exams are easily available , and one can reappear with renewed study strategies , where as Cpe will need the practical experience , which is not easy to have in developing country like ours . I need to either enroll for university program or do sort of internship . I will need to figure out that later. Anyway thanks for being great help .

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Hello everyone,

just to share my bad experience with IBTOEFL. I passed the exam combining my first and second score( first time 4 points wasn't enough on reading part) and required both my scores to be transferred to ECFVG program. My first score never was received and my second score has no picture attached. ECVFG program require picture on every single score( this is to written on their official page, they just say that they accept only score reported directly from IBTOEFL)....now I am waiting ECFVG to decide if they will accept official letter from TOEFL to verify my score and explain that it was their mistake not to attach my picture...I am very disappointed because I may have to take the toefl again and I was ready to sign for BCSE test... Please let me know if anybody else had similar experience. Good luck, everyone.
 
Does anybody have any experience with Veterinary Skills Training and Enhancement Program in Ontario, Canada?
Thank you.
 
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yaa i am also interested to know how good is this, VSTEP program from ontario, especially for CPE.
 
I did some research for CPE preparation programs and cost. If anyone has more info please share.

organization

time

cost


Kansas

45 w

$ 45,746.00


LSU

24 w

$ 24,179.00


LSU

48 w

$ 48,358.00


Oklahoma

33 w

$ 26,750.00


VSTEP Ontario

~16 w 470hr

$ 17,750.00

+$750 material
 
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No one will help you as far as visa sponsorship to come to US just to shadow, unless is somebody that you know personally and is willing to help you. I don't want give you really advice about visa as I do not know much about it, and it can be different for each country.

Anyhow, in your case I think your option is pretty obvious. It looks like you have to come through a school program so you can get a visa. Having that said I would go to Oklahoma if I was you. They have a kind "specific program" for the foreign graduates. It is also more affordable than the other schools I think around $ 30000. I think most place ask you for $45000 to 50000. Oklahoma is also a fairly cheap state to live. I don't know if you care for saving some money. I met 2 girls that went there for the CPE and they liked, they seemed a lot more prepared for the actual test than me (I went to other school). They also told me that their program gave them a lot more freedom to do the rotations they actually needed, which I did not have. I had no saying on my rotations, I just had to do as I was told.

Here is their website:

http://www.cvm.okstate.edu/index.php?option=com_content&view=section&id=6&Itemid=152

Anyway good luck
What school did you go?
 
I have been reading Plumb, the five minute series. beliveit or not, Mosby tec review, for basic. and there is a cd you find on amazon, navle review, 6500 questions. plus the navle review for ipad from amazon
 
Dear future veterinarians
I went through the rigorous process of BCSE, NAVLE and CPE, couple of years ago, worked few places. If you need any help and guidance or practical experience (within the legal limits) do contact me. I am trying to set up a place where you folks can come study, discuss and succeed in becoming properly trained veterinarians. I went through difficult times in not able to access to even information, study material forget about practical exposure. Passing these exams is half the story, you need to have practical exposure of dealing with clients, diagnosis process, and running tests, taking radiographs, interpretation, performing dental exam, to be able to meet the requirements of not only passing the exams but be able to step in to job market. Again please be aware that you would need liability insurance to be volunteering in a hospital and these limitations on what you can do as a unlicensed veterinarian. I live in SanDiego county, CA. good luck to you. Cheers
 
Dear future veterinarians
I went through the rigorous process of BCSE, NAVLE and CPE, couple of years ago, worked few places. If you need any help and guidance or practical experience (within the legal limits) do contact me. I am trying to set up a place where you folks can come study, discuss and succeed in becoming properly trained veterinarians. I went through difficult times in not able to access to even information, study material forget about practical exposure. Passing these exams is half the story, you need to have practical exposure of dealing with clients, diagnosis process, and running tests, taking radiographs, interpretation, performing dental exam, to be able to meet the requirements of not only passing the exams but be able to step in to job market. Again please be aware that you would need liability insurance to be volunteering in a hospital and these limitations on what you can do as a unlicensed veterinarian. I live in SanDiego county, CA. good luck to you. Cheers

My contact e-mail : [email protected]
 
Is anyone preparing for the BCSE in Dallas? I'm from Colombia and just started the ECFVG process.

Maybe we could swap some study materials or help each other out with the BCSE. I'm taking the test in March.
 
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Tengo Zuku BCSE, videos de la U of Florida, Pasquini de caninos y equinos. Algo mas que deba agregar?
 
Tengo Zuku BCSE, videos de la U of Florida, Pasquini de caninos y equinos. Algo mas que deba agregar?


Hello DanieG,

I am just staring to study for the BCSE. I do not have any idea how or where to start. Is there anyway you could share with me some of the material that yu have to study and as I collect some more I will shared with you too.
Thank you. I will appreciate it a lot. My email is [email protected]

Take care.
 
Hi, I've already finished NAVLE and english proficiency test and been waiting for me to be prepared for the CPE exam.
I'm wondering if there are any source for the test. I've heard that there are some books and videos for it. Please let me know.


Hello sorry I am new to in this group and I was wondering if there is any way that you could share some of the study material that you used to pass the exams. My email is [email protected]
I will appreciate it a lot. thank you.

take care.
 
hello, I am a DVM from Colombia. I live in NY. I am preparing to take the TOEFL. I do have the vcrc and some other material to study for the NAVLE I will be glad to share it with u guys.
Hello Dr. I am new to the group and I was wondering if you are interested in selling the VCRC in case that you still have it. I am just starting to study for the BCSE and wondering igf you have any material and tips to study. My email is [email protected]
Thank you.
 
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I am taking the BCSE too.I have done oone test few months ago and got 50%.Have to start again .I just used Zuku and it was good.Need more info about the topics and materials.
 
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Dear future veterinarians
I went through the rigorous process of BCSE, NAVLE and CPE, couple of years ago, worked few places. If you need any help and guidance or practical experience (within the legal limits) do contact me. I am trying to set up a place where you folks can come study, discuss and succeed in becoming properly trained veterinarians. I went through difficult times in not able to access to even information, study material forget about practical exposure. Passing these exams is half the story, you need to have practical exposure of dealing with clients, diagnosis process, and running tests, taking radiographs, interpretation, performing dental exam, to be able to meet the requirements of not only passing the exams but be able to step in to job market. Again please be aware that you would need liability insurance to be volunteering in a hospital and these limitations on what you can do as a unlicensed veterinarian. I live in SanDiego county, CA. good luck to you. Cheers

Hello,
which school did you go to? Are you fully licensed now in CA? I also live in San DIego and I am finding it very difficult to get hands on experience to train for my CPE! What do you recommend? Thanks!
 
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Hello,
which school did you go to? Are you fully licensed now in CA? I also live in San DIego and I am finding it very difficult to get hands on experience to train for my CPE! What do you recommend? Thanks!
 
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Sorry, I did not understand. Is it University of Idaho, Illinois, Indiana or Iowa? The reason I ask is I am trying to find the best way to get ready for CPE. All programs available in the US and Canada (there are not so many of them) are pricy. I am trying to find the most efficient way to get ready for that exam. I don't want to waste money for something that I can learn without a school and I don't want to waste time for working as a vet tech and trying to get ready for CPE (there are not time limits).
Thank you for your help.
Natalia
 
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HI DR. s . I'm recently joined and read about 20 page of this blog .at the end I think VETPREP or ZUKU and NVMS will be enough for BCSE . am I write?
Also It's about 7 years that I didn't practice pet animals also large animals do you think these source are enough?
 
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HI DR. s . I'm recently joined and read about 20 page of this blog .at the end I think VETPREP or ZUKU and NVMS will be enough for BCSE . am I write?
Also It's about 7 years that I didn't practice pet animals also large animals do you think these source are enough?
ZUKU-BCSE (but you have to finish all the questions, I know that is hard, but wroth it). Vetprep doesn't have a BCSE type of questions.
 
ZUKU-BCSE (but you have to finish all the questions, I know that is hard, but wroth it). Vetprep doesn't have a BCSE type of questions.


Thank you very much for your kind replay. What about NVMS books ?
 
Thank you very much for your kind replay. What about NVMS books ?
You know what, everybody recommend those books as reference, but me personally didn't use them, even for the NAVLE, they are too long to read and in my opinion; they are not as valuable as finishing all the questions for VETPREP (in the case of the NAVLE). I don't think they important at all for the BCSE, if you can do all the questions in ZUKU-BCSE you will be in a better shape, I personally like better the Pasquini books as reference, the problem again is the time to review everything. I did a bin with the more important topics and that was GOLD for my study, then after passing the BCSE, it become my NAVLE bin while adding the most important topics.
 
Thank you very much for your kind replay. What about NVMS books ?
They have changed BCSC a lot. It is not like it used to be and now it is kind of mini NAVLE. ZUKUreview for BCSC is good but your chances are greater if you study NVMS small animals. This is what I think. Best of luck.
 
Sorry, I did not understand. Is it University of Idaho, Illinois, Indiana or Iowa? The reason I ask is I am trying to find the best way to get ready for CPE. All programs available in the US and Canada (there are not so many of them) are pricy. I am trying to find the most efficient way to get ready for that exam. I don't want to waste money for something that I can learn without a school and I don't want to waste time for working as a vet tech and trying to get ready for CPE (there are not time limits).
Thank you for your help.
Natalia


ILLINOIS. I don't think is a waste of time and money, but you may be able to prepare for the CPE by other means. But I don't think anyone can pass the CPE without being prepared either, just saying. One thing though about doing a clinical year at a University is that looks good in your resume. when looking for a job, some employers feel more comfortable to hire someone that had an official clinical training in US. Good luck

Dr R
 
ILLINOIS. I don't think is a waste of time and money, but you may be able to prepare for the CPE by other means. But I don't think anyone can pass the CPE without being prepared either, just saying. One thing though about doing a clinical year at a University is that looks good in your resume. when looking for a job, some employers feel more comfortable to hire someone that had an official clinical training in US. Good luck

Dr R
Hey Dr R ! Is there any possibility that after passing my NAVLE, I can get training for Emergency Medicine from University by paying fee. I am asking this because I want to do job in Emergency clinic. I wanted to shadow but they dont let me do that (insurance problems). Any suggestions........
 
ILLINOIS. I don't think is a waste of time and money, but you may be able to prepare for the CPE by other means. But I don't think anyone can pass the CPE without being prepared either, just saying. One thing though about doing a clinical year at a University is that looks good in your resume. when looking for a job, some employers feel more comfortable to hire someone that had an official clinical training in US. Good luck

Dr R
Thank you Dr. R
 
Hi everyone who is preparing for navle. I would like to join a study group. If anybody interested in joining, please let me know. Thank you
 
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I am taking the BCSE too.I have done oone test few months ago and got 50%.Have to start again .I just used Zuku and it was good.Need more info about the topics and materials.

Hi,

I preparing for BCSE too, could you please let me know if you have study group that I could join.

My email: [email protected]

Thanks,
Manasa
 
Is anyone preparing for the BCSE in Dallas? I'm from Colombia and just started the ECFVG process.

Maybe we could swap some study materials or help each other out with the BCSE. I'm taking the test in March.
Hi Daniel ,

I'm preparing for BCSE, I live in dallas too. Please reach me at [email protected]

Thanks.
 
They have changed BCSC a lot. It is not like it used to be and now it is kind of mini NAVLE. ZUKUreview for BCSC is good but your chances are greater if you study NVMS small animals. This is what I think. Best of luck.

Hello Dr, Is Mosby vet technician review worth studying for sections .... basic anatomy, radiology, surgical instruments, hematology, cytology, nutrition sections ? shld I use this boook, cz I heard now days BCSE is hard not like before, and is this book enough ? or should I study other sources like Merck vet manual, NVMS small animal and large animal for BCSE exam preparation rather than Mosby vet technician review book. Till date I am studying from Merck vet manual and Mosby tech review. Any vet recently passed BCSE exam please advise me. My BCSE exam is on 22 April in Gurgaon India. bit nervous and confused. Plz help. Please contact me at [email protected] I live in India.
 
Hey Dr R ! Is there any possibility that after passing my NAVLE, I can get training for Emergency Medicine from University by paying fee. I am asking this because I want to do job in Emergency clinic. I wanted to shadow but they dont let me do that (insurance problems). Any suggestions........


I wouldn't say no, but I never heard of it. If I have to guess I would say that is very unlikely (but that's just a guess). Although you may be able to get an arrangement with the school in which you would only stay on emergency medicine. That may be possible, but they may limit the time you would be able to shadow only one service. I think most schools would maybe allow this for a max of 3 months (just a guess as well). Again the best way to find out is to contact the school and talk about what you looking for and see if they can accommodate your needs.

Dr R
 
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