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Getting PostGrad Therapy Hours

Discussion in 'Mental Health and Social Welfare' started by HesitantPsyD, Sep 28, 2016.

  1. HesitantPsyD

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    Hi All,
    I have an MA in Counseling, and am licensed as an LPC (the intern level license) in Illinois. I'm looking for a way to get postgrad supervised hours in a way that will let me avoid doing 100 percent case management and won't get me killed. Let me explain...
    My last job, with a respected agency in Chicago, had me doing basically had me doing social work case management 100 percent of the time in people's homes with no real therapy, and I had a box cutter pulled on me in addition to another incident where a colleague of mine and myself were put in a position of having to transport a manifestly violent, psychotic client to the hospital. No offense to social workers and case management in general, but I did not sign up for this when I went to school to become a counselor. I want to do therapy in a relatively safe environment, and based on the jobs I actually have gotten (I worked for the same agency before graduating in similar work), I don't know if this is possible. I'm having some post traumatic issues based on what has happened in the past, and don't know if I'm prepared to do 2plus years of this kind of stuff to get fully licensed, and even if I did I would still have no postgraduate therapy experience to speak of when applying to counseling jobs. How in the world does one get therapy jobs postgrad and pre clinical licensure. Does it even happen, or is it an impossible dream?
     
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  3. MAClinician

    MAClinician Masters level clinician

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    I am not familiar with IL but most commercial insurance companies only reimburse licensed counsellors or clinicians. Medicaid and Medicare allow unlicensed masters level folks to bill. Therefore until we get licensed we are limited to positions that accept those insurances. Inpatient hospitals or schools may hire LPC, it depends on your state/area. Might want to explore those options?
     
  4. HesitantPsyD

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    I guess I was subtly trying to imply that the current system for going from provisional licensure to clinical licensure is deeply flawed at best, and borderline fraudulent from the perspective of a budding counselor at worst. That last part might seem hyperbolic, but in my experience, and based on others I know from other schools, schools are suspiciously vague about licensure, how to negotiate it, and the postgrad prospects of actually doing counseling pre clinical licensure. This is no accident. Say what you will about doctoral psychology training and the flawed internship and postdoc match process, but at least there is some generally agreed upon procedure and apparatus for getting necessary hours for licensure. Counseling, by comparison, is a mess... nothing standardized, no common procedure, and one often has to do mainly another profession's job (i.e. social work) to get "counseling" hours. The counseling profession, instead of instituting such an apparatus, has effectively horned in on social work, purposely conflating the two disciplines to get some of their graduates licensed. This does a disservice to counselors and social workers. I wonder how much this silence from schools is based on tuition dollars that might be lost if prospective students knew what they were getting themselves into, especially considering what we counselors (and social workers) make.
     
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  6. cybertsiren

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    Hi I thought I'd vent about this too. I just had to file complaints with IL State because the private practice I was at would not credit me for indirect hours. At this point I realize they didn't want me to get my license because they actually said they couldn't pay me more, and they felt if I left they would lose my clients. They dragged their feet on signing of pn hoyrs ultimately TELLING me they gave me credit for indirect hours but SENDING the form sealed by certfied mail. When I asked for a signed copy of the hoyrs portion they refused. That's when I suspected they hadn't recorded indirect hours. One of my supervisors actually said it should take six years to get licensed in a private practice.
    I too didn't want to do home visits or transport clients. But my colleagues bit the bullet and took hospital case management jobs and now they are finished. I share yoyr disappointment in the field as I was offered the chance to work for free while the owners collected $125. from the client. It's scary that these people are therapists.
     

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