Help an IM attending physician out with admitting privileges

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Hello:

Obviously this is not for me.

But there is a private practice IM attending physician who currently has admitting privileges at this one particular hospital. However, this hospital has been bought by another larger entity and this larger entity is cleaning house by June 30th. (kicking out the residents and current attending physicians)

Therefore, this attending needs to go obtain new admitting privileges at another hospital.

Because this physician is so very busy, this responsibility has been delegated to his staff and myself (he feels this is a good way for me to get "business of medicine" practice)

Therefore, could any current attendings on this forum please give me some pointers regarding how to pursue this? Do I call their HR department? I really have no clue how to proceed here.

Any help would be greatly appreciated

Thank you
 
Call their medical staff office. Then tell him to fill out his own paperwork. It's quite a large amount. Credentialing process may vary, but often can take 1-3 months.
 
NewYorkDoctors said:
Because this physician is so very busy, this responsibility has been delegated to his staff and myself (he feels this is a good way for me to get "business of medicine" practice)
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This is kinda ****ty to be honest.
 
rokshana said:
Not gonna be busy long if he doesn't get privileges ...
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That may be true, but how it that your problem? I don't think there's a issue with you helping him out, but for him to just tell you to "take care of this; I'm too busy" is kind of lame. He should at least have given you some guidance. I too think it's important to learn the "business side of medicine", but not like this - not by sacrificing your clinical education.. How much are you really going to learn by doing what is essentially scut work?

I'm assuming you're a medical student, if not, ignore the above.
 
mentor physician; close family friend: has agreed to refer to me only to me down the line when I subspecialize

anyway I am entering residency this June and I am kicking back enjoying my final days of med school (while using my vacation time)


Anyway, I have done the above steps and now they want a CV, proof of board certification, and a letter explaining why..

Easy enough

The truth actually is this physician has expanded into the same neighborhood as this particular hospital is for his own private practice. He has a fairly large patient client list in the same neighborhood that this hospital is located at.

Therefore, I should obviously mention this.

But should I mention how the previous hospital booted him out? Although it was no fault of his own (and rather it was a merger and the superior hospital kicked everyone out for their own personnel), would this raise a black flag of any kind?
 
NewYorkDoctors said:
mentor physician; close family friend: has agreed to refer to me only to me down the line when I subspecialize

anyway I am entering residency this June and I am kicking back enjoying my final days of med school (while using my vacation time)


Anyway, I have done the above steps and now they want a CV, proof of board certification, and a letter explaining why..

Easy enough

The truth actually is this physician has expanded into the same neighborhood as this particular hospital is for his own private practice. He has a fairly large patient client list in the same neighborhood that this hospital is located at.

Therefore, I should obviously mention this.

But should I mention how the previous hospital booted him out? Although it was no fault of his own (and rather it was a merger and the superior hospital kicked everyone out for their own personnel), would this raise a black flag of any kind?
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you sure its for not no fault of his own? I would find it unusual for a hospital to withdraw privileges...i could see how they would ask for RE credentialing for the new hospital entity but in the mean time mainitain the old credentials
 
Yep it's no fault of this physician.

He was part of New York Downtown Hospital (an IMG mill), which as you may know has been going through tough times finanically and was recently bought by New York Presbyterian.

Not only were the IM and OBGYN residents all kicked out, virtualy all of the current attending physicians are all kicked out as well, to clean house for NYP's own staff.

So yeah, that's the story for those who are skeptical.

(Before those with affilitation with NYP-Columbia or Cornell get all riled up, I am not bashing them. This is business, so the bottom line speaks loudest. Simple as that.)
 
I'm curious what happened to the residents in those programs. Were they just kicked out and left to find places on their own, or were they placed into other programs in other places?
 
From what Ive heard kicked out and left to find places of their own there was an article in the NYTimes about it
 
CanIMakeIt said:
Can't the residents sue them? It will be really hard to find spots for PGY-2 and 3 positions (esp PGY-3). I suppose NRMP etc couldn't do anything in this situation. This is terrible.
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Sue them for what? They basically went bankrupt and closed the company. I suppose they could sue for breach of contract but, at most, they'd get whatever salary they didn't make for the rest of the year.

NRMP couldn't possibly care less, nor could ACGME or any other acronym you can come up with.

It's not like this is the first time this has happened and is likely to become more common with cost cutting, hospital system mergers and the like.
 
gutonc said:
Sue them for what? They basically went bankrupt and closed the company. I suppose they could sue for breach of contract but, at most, they'd get whatever salary they didn't make for the rest of the year.

NRMP couldn't possibly care less, nor could ACGME or any other acronym you can come up with.

It's not like this is the first time this has happened and is likely to become more common with cost cutting, hospital system mergers and the like.
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ACGME practically guarantees that if a program closes, spots will be found for it's current residents. Every ACGME accredited program I'm aware of that has closed (at least in the last 10 years), everybody got some kind of spot for the following year, somewhere.

Unfortunately, the NYT article was about a recently closed AOA accredited program. Those guys were SOL.
 
gutonc said:
Sue them for what? They basically went bankrupt and closed the company. I suppose they could sue for breach of contract but, at most, they'd get whatever salary they didn't make for the rest of the year.

NRMP couldn't possibly care less, nor could ACGME or any other acronym you can come up with.

It's not like this is the first time this has happened and is likely to become more common with cost cutting, hospital system mergers and the like.
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Breach of contract. Given the lost income (ie a year of practice) you could probably get a year's attending salary since that is what you would lose
 
NewYorkDoctors said:
mentor physician; close family friend: has agreed to refer to me only to me down the line when I subspecialize
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That promise is worthless. Who knows if you will still be in the same area after residency or if he will still be in practice?

Unless he is paying you well, tell him to do his own credentialing.
 
well I got a nice Master Cardiology III stethoscope for my efforts. A nice token I suppose.

Thanks for the (helpful) above comments.
 
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