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Hello my esteemed colleagues,

Many DO students received an ominous email from the NBOME this morning that discusses their attempt to bring back COMLEX 2 PE. Attached is the link which leads to the homepage detailing the Special Commission's recommendations for the Class of 2024's COMLEX testing pathways.

Recommendations from the Special Commission on Osteopathic Medical Licensure Assessment — NBOME

Attached in images is the recommendation of concern (01 on page 2 of the pdf).

https://www.nbome.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/2022 Special Commission Recommendations.pdf

Additionally, the NBOME is only collecting feedback at this link until May 4!!
https://www.nbome.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/2022 Special Commission - review and comment form.pdf

You have to manually fill out this PDF form and email it to [email protected]

The NBOME is deliberately making it difficult to provide feedback and leaving only a two week window to limit responses from the public. They are hoping to escape with a low response rate so that they can unilaterally enact this change.

The Classes of 2022 and 2023 have been just fine without COMLEX PE so there is no reason for C/O 2024 to be guinea pigs for yet another change in standardized testing. Additionally, PD's will have no way to interpret any possible competencies or scores from this exam, and therefore another exam will not be beneficial in our ultimate goal of attaining a residency spot.

I urge everyone to take the time to thoughtfully fill this “survey” out. Please send this to anyone and everyone. Garner support on MedTwitter, Reddit or any other forums you all may frequent.

This weak attempt to standardize our clinical education will become yet another financial barrier to us. This will be time and money spent flying back to our home institutions as most DO programs disperse us throughout the country for our clinical clerkships. This will be a barrier to our success as we could be studying for Step 2/COMLEX 2 (arguably the importance of this numerical score will now replace the weight of STEP 1) or doing another away rotation to help distinguish ourselves. Furthermore, with inflation spiking this will place an undue burden on many learners who are already riddled with six figures of debt.

This “recommendation” is written in such a way that two years of SPEs and simulations and two years spent interviewing and interacting with REAL patients is not enough to render us competent physicians. If that is truly the case then there is a larger problem with the whole system. Pulling students off clinical rotations and having them spend money on flights, hotels, and fee registrations for a reborn COMLEX 2 PE at their home campus is NOT the solution.

Please save us from the NBOME and help your fellow Bone Wizards keep this exam in the past with STEP 2 CS where it belongs.

Thank you for your time.
 

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Hello my esteemed colleagues,

Many DO students received an ominous email from the NBOME this morning that discusses their attempt to bring back COMLEX 2 PE. Attached is the link which leads to the homepage detailing the Special Commission's recommendations for the Class of 2024's COMLEX testing pathways.

Recommendations from the Special Commission on Osteopathic Medical Licensure Assessment — NBOME

Attached in images is the recommendation of concern (01 on page 2 of the pdf).

https://www.nbome.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/2022 Special Commission Recommendations.pdf

Additionally, the NBOME is only collecting feedback at this link until May 4!!
https://www.nbome.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/2022 Special Commission - review and comment form.pdf

You have to manually fill out this PDF form and email it to [email protected]

The NBOME is deliberately making it difficult to provide feedback and leaving only a two week window to limit responses from the public. They are hoping to escape with a low response rate so that they can unilaterally enact this change.

The Classes of 2022 and 2023 have been just fine without COMLEX PE so there is no reason for C/O 2024 to be guinea pigs for yet another change in standardized testing. Additionally, PD's will have no way to interpret any possible competencies or scores from this exam, and therefore another exam will not be beneficial in our ultimate goal of attaining a residency spot.

I urge everyone to take the time to thoughtfully fill this “survey” out. Please send this to anyone and everyone. Garner support on MedTwitter, Reddit or any other forums you all may frequent.

This weak attempt to standardize our clinical education will become yet another financial barrier to us. This will be time and money spent flying back to our home institutions as most DO programs disperse us throughout the country for our clinical clerkships. This will be a barrier to our success as we could be studying for Step 2/COMLEX 2 (arguably the importance of this numerical score will now replace the weight of STEP 1) or doing another away rotation to help distinguish ourselves. Furthermore, with inflation spiking this will place an undue burden on many learners who are already riddled with six figures of debt.

This “recommendation” is written in such a way that two years of SPEs and simulations and two years spent interviewing and interacting with REAL patients is not enough to render us competent physicians. If that is truly the case then there is a larger problem with the whole system. Pulling students off clinical rotations and having them spend money on flights, hotels, and fee registrations for a reborn COMLEX 2 PE at their home campus is NOT the solution.

Please save us from the NBOME and help your fellow Bone Wizards keep this exam in the past with STEP 2 CS where it belongs.

Thank you for your time.
Your posting in the MD category, move it over to the DO section.
 

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Your posting in the MD category, move it over to the DO section.
Yes, I am aware. I am asking for support from you all since MD students are fully aware of the headaches of standardized testing. Additionally, the NBOME is eliciting responses from anyone, and MD students can weigh in with their experience of no longer having to take Step 2 CS.

The NBME is marginally more competent than our organization and completely cancelled Step 2 CS. Therefore, I hope you all can empathize with our predicament and are able to take ten minutes out of your day to submit comments.

Thank you for any and all help.
 
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They will likely put MD student response/comments under "dully noted/ignored".
 
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Hello my esteemed colleagues,

Many DO students received an ominous email from the NBOME this morning that discusses their attempt to bring back COMLEX 2 PE. Attached is the link which leads to the homepage detailing the Special Commission's recommendations for the Class of 2024's COMLEX testing pathways.

Recommendations from the Special Commission on Osteopathic Medical Licensure Assessment — NBOME

Attached in images is the recommendation of concern (01 on page 2 of the pdf).

https://www.nbome.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/2022 Special Commission Recommendations.pdf

Additionally, the NBOME is only collecting feedback at this link until May 4!!
https://www.nbome.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/2022 Special Commission - review and comment form.pdf

You have to manually fill out this PDF form and email it to [email protected]

The NBOME is deliberately making it difficult to provide feedback and leaving only a two week window to limit responses from the public. They are hoping to escape with a low response rate so that they can unilaterally enact this change.

The Classes of 2022 and 2023 have been just fine without COMLEX PE so there is no reason for C/O 2024 to be guinea pigs for yet another change in standardized testing. Additionally, PD's will have no way to interpret any possible competencies or scores from this exam, and therefore another exam will not be beneficial in our ultimate goal of attaining a residency spot.

I urge everyone to take the time to thoughtfully fill this “survey” out. Please send this to anyone and everyone. Garner support on MedTwitter, Reddit or any other forums you all may frequent.

This weak attempt to standardize our clinical education will become yet another financial barrier to us. This will be time and money spent flying back to our home institutions as most DO programs disperse us throughout the country for our clinical clerkships. This will be a barrier to our success as we could be studying for Step 2/COMLEX 2 (arguably the importance of this numerical score will now replace the weight of STEP 1) or doing another away rotation to help distinguish ourselves. Furthermore, with inflation spiking this will place an undue burden on many learners who are already riddled with six figures of debt.

This “recommendation” is written in such a way that two years of SPEs and simulations and two years spent interviewing and interacting with REAL patients is not enough to render us competent physicians. If that is truly the case then there is a larger problem with the whole system. Pulling students off clinical rotations and having them spend money on flights, hotels, and fee registrations for a reborn COMLEX 2 PE at their home campus is NOT the solution.

Please save us from the NBOME and help your fellow Bone Wizards keep this exam in the past with STEP 2 CS where it belongs.

Thank you for your time.
You will have better success convincing your Deans and DO faculty as to why resurrecting PE is a bad idea.


I smell John Gimpel's fingerprints all over this, BTW.
 

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I still remember when they were trying to bring it back with us wearing some creepy looking clear masks

Classic Gimpel. I’m never taking any osteopathic board exams, ever again, even if it was free
 
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