Hematology/Oncology 2019-2020 Fellowship Season

[IM_applicant]

Would suspect you can get a waiver job somewhere in Texas, potentially even an academic job, in an underserved area eg Texas Tech, Scott and White in which case Baylor would better position you. Baylor also seems like one of the most well rounded, clinically busy, but will give you good Heme and Onc exposure.

I would really appreciate it if someone can give their input in the following ranking.
Undecided between heme or oncology.
On J1 so have to do waiver job, I am not too sure how it would affect your chance of getting into academics.
1. Moffitt
2. Weill Cornell, NY presbyterian
3. University of Maryland
4. Baylor hospital, Houston
5. UC Irvine

If you're interested in academics I would not rank Baylor above Moffitt. You can find a waiver job in a different state than the one you trained in (I know people who have done that), and IMO it would be easier to find an academic waiver job (which is rare) coming from Moffitt than from Baylor.

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[IM_applicant]

Seems reasonable if that's how you liked them. I'd personally move UPMC up a slot or 2 but it's also fine where it is.

Thanks!

 

[ka2390]

Good morning, any thoughts about Brooklyn hospital? I just got an interview. Can you compare with SUNY downstate since both are located in Brooklyn?... which one would you give priority in your RL?

anyone?

 

[gutonc]

Hi! Can you guys help me ranking this programs. I am still undifferentiated of which type of malignancy (breast vs Lung vs Malig Heme) but definitely want to be in academics. Location bias is a place that is relatively affordable with young kids and with descent schools.

1. U MIchigan
2. U Colorado
3. NIH
4. OHSU
5. Cleveland Clinic
6. Univ of Minnesota
7. Indiana Univ
8. UCSD

I'd move UMinn up a spot or two. But it's a nice list as it is.

 

[flowerstone]

any recommendations about ranking?

1. houston methodist
2. u minnesota
3. u buffalo

wants to do more clinic, career goal is clinic with some (plus or minus) translational research. interested in more solid tumor.
thanks.

 

[HEMOT]

any recommendations about ranking?

1. houston methodist
2. u minnesota
3. u buffalo

wants to do more clinic, career goal is clinic with some (plus or minus) translational research. interested in more solid tumor.
thanks.

IF you have read GutOnc previous comments, the list should be 2/3/1; Bt it depends on geography/family preference

 

[Red Rooster]

any recommendations about ranking?

1. houston methodist
2. u minnesota
3. u buffalo

wants to do more clinic, career goal is clinic with some (plus or minus) translational research. interested in more solid tumor.
thanks.

You aren't going to get the best clinic experience at methodist, fellows don't have their own continuity clinic.

buffalo, I don't remember enough from my interview last year, except it being too cold in September

 

[Onc20207]

Hey all! Would really appreciate any insight into ranking. Especially thoughts on Cleveland Clinic (should I rank it higher?)
As well as UMD vs Jefferson...?
I’m interested in solids, and academic career. Thanks. @gutonc , any opinions much appreciated.

1. Moffitt
2. UCSD
3. NYU
4. Emory
5. Cleveland Clinic
6. Jefferson
7. UMD
8. OHSU

 

[AmiSansNom]

I would rank BU over Brown unless you prefer the location or some specific aspect of the program.

Thank you, I appreciate it. The only thing that I was concerned about was the name-brand/pedigree of Brown vs BU when it comes to looking for jobs in future.

 

[AmiSansNom]

Hey all! Would really appreciate any insight into ranking. Especially thoughts on Cleveland Clinic (should I rank it higher?)
As well as UMD vs Jefferson...?
I’m interested in solids, and academic career. Thanks. @gutonc , any opinions much appreciated.

1. Moffitt
2. UCSD
3. NYU
4. Emory
5. Cleveland Clinic
6. Jefferson
7. UMD
8. OHSU

This sounds like a reasonable list. Any specific reason why you've ranked OHSU below Jefferson and UMD?

 

[Onc20207]

This sounds like a reasonable list. Any specific reason why you've ranked OHSU below Jefferson and UMD?

Thanks! Purely location preference - it seems those three are all the about same tier/reputation/similar opportunities...? Would you agree? I liked them all similarly!

 

[gutonc]

Thanks! Purely location preference - it seems those three are all the about same tier/reputation/similar opportunities...? Would you agree? I liked them all similarly!

I would agree that they're all relatively similar in rep/opportunities. But Philly and B'More over Portland? That's just nuts.

 

[Onc20207]

I would agree that they're all relatively similar in rep/opportunities. But Philly and B'More over Portland? That's just nuts.

Ha! Agreed - chosen for the people / family in that location though!

Any thoughts on the upper half? ESP CCF in comparison to the rest? (And moffitt where it is?) Thank you!

 

[ETA]

I'd put Cincy #2 and then leave it alone.

For me

UAB slight ahead
Nebraska, Miami toss up .....Nebraska if you are interested in lymphoma and academics
Cincy and UMass don't have much going on. Cincy is a better program than UMass

 

[ETA]

Trying to decide between fox chase vs ut southwestern. Any thoughts between which program is better?

Both are great programs
FCCC is a great clinical program
UTSW has been heavy on rejuvenating department. I like what they are doing

 

[ETA]

# # Hello guys,
Interested in solid tumors. How would you rank the following programs from the Midwest:

- University of Cincinnati
- Karmanos Cancer Institute /Wayne State University - Detroit
- University of Nebraska

Thank you so much in advance!!

Wayne state number one for solids and all round
Nebraska for lymphoma
UC lower

 

[ETA]

Hey everyone,
Can you please help me with this list:
- Emory
- CWU
- IOWA
- Georgetown
- UVA
- Montefiore Albert einstein
- mayo Florida
- UF
- UNMC
- Baylor H
- MUSC
- San Antonio
- U mass
- VCU
- Hershey's
- SLU

leaning toward solid, without big/major interest. I prefer to avoid very cold weather.
Thanks in advance

I like emory best - excellent clinical program. Great heme program. Don't get the reputation they deserve. Issue is that they rotate at many hospitals.

CWU likely slightly > IOWA = UMNC (but top points for lymphomas) = UVA/Georgetown

can't speak for the rest

 

[ETA]

Hi guys, I updated my RL, would appreciate any thoughts on the following list. I ranked in order of how I liked them during my interview and the clinical exposure fellows have. Leaning toward solids.

-NYU, long island.
-SUNY, Brooklyn.
-Lehigh valley, Pennsylvania.
-Univ of Minnesota
-Roger Williams, Rhode Island.
-Vidant medical center, North Carolina.
-Univ of Mississippi
-St Joseph, Detroit.

Thank you in advance.

UMinn
SUNY

 

[ETA]

I am in the same dilemma. I am interested in malignant hematology and know that City of Hope is a very strong program in terms of BMT and malignant heme.

Moffitt
CWRU
City of Hope
Yale
Mayo jacksonville
Roswell Park

Not very sure how to rank these!

For heme/BMT

COH is excellent
Moffitt is a good second choice
Rest are not considered traditional heme/BMT players

 

[ETA]

Thanks for your reply. You think Emory is stronger than CCF and OHSU as well? (These two are kind of tied for me too)
I liked Jefferson more overall, but agree Emory might be a bit more academic focused.
appreciate any thoughts from @gutonc as well.
Right now considering breast vs lung, but not firmly decided.
thanks!

Emory is a top notch program. It is under sold. Can't go wrong

 

[ETA]

Hi All,
I would really appreciate your assistance with my rank order list. Thanks in Advance

Wash U (St Louis MO)
University of Iowa
OHSU
Dartmouth
Virginia Commonwealth University, Richmond
Medical University of South Carolina
Medical College of Wisconsin
Rush Medical Center
St Louis University

Wash U
OHSU
Iowa = MCW = VCU
Dartmouth, Rush, St louis, MUSC

 

[ETA]

Interested in solids, looking to come out clinically strong with some clinical research. Would likely practice after graduating in a large clinical center focusing on two or three areas of solids. Would you be able to help me rank these programs? Currently ranked according to my opinion. Thank you so much for your help.

Boston University
Dartmouth
Brown
OHSU
Tufts
UMass
Uni of South Carolina

OHSU
Rest are in the middle
UMass last

 

[ETA]

Can someone give an input on the following programs and how to rank them:

University of Cincinnati
University of Louisville
West Virginia University

UC likely better than WVU which suffers from location. Difficulty attracting faculty. Goldberg is there but unlikely to get face time / mentorship
UofL last - last i've heard, had issues. Instability

 

[ETA]

Hi! Can you guys help me ranking this programs. I am still undifferentiated of which type of malignancy (breast vs Lung vs Malig Heme) but definitely want to be in academics. Location bias is a place that is relatively affordable with young kids and with descent schools.

1. U MIchigan
2. U Colorado
3. NIH
4. OHSU
5. Cleveland Clinic
6. Univ of Minnesota
7. Indiana Univ
8. UCSD

UMich = Colorado
OHSU = UMinn = CCF
IU likely = NIH (i don't know what sort of clinical exposure you get at NIH which is a big concern)

Don't know about UCSD but i suspect provides good research focus if desired

 

[ETA]

• Moffitt?
• City Of Hope?
• Case Western/UH?
• UB/Roswell Park
• University of Minnesota
• Yale
• Mayo Jacksonville
• University of Cincinnati
• Virginia Commonwealth U
• Kansas UMC
• U Nebraska MC
• UF Gainesville
• West Virginia U
• Hofstra/Northwell
• Boston U
• Orlando Health

Need help ranking these! Interested in malignant heme/TCT. Not sure about the first 7 bold programs.
Very confused about where city of hope should be since it seems strong in malignant heme and BMT but is apparently a new program since they broke their ties with UCLA.
Lots of family in Buffalo - a little bit bias!

Will appreciate some advice!

For Mal heme

COH is truly the best - undersold. Many excellent faculty
Moffitt and UMinn are very good second best but the last i've checked, they do lots of cords which no one does anymore. Haplos are the future
Unebraska decent mal heme. Great lymphomas
CWRU
KU has a decent heme and transplant volume - newer program
Don't know much about Roswell park and Yale but Yale is likely better
The rest are likely a crap shoot

 

[ETA]

I would really appreciate it if someone can give their input in the following ranking.
Undecided between heme or oncology.
On J1 so have to do waiver job, I am not too sure how it would affect your chance of getting into academics.
1. Moffitt
2. Weill Cornell, NY presbyterian
3. University of Maryland
4. Baylor hospital, Houston
5. UC Irvine

I think this is a decent choice with Moffitt as 1, NYP as 2, although Maryland is also a decent program.

 

[ETA]

Anyone with suggestions for interest in solid tumors (lung or GI) on how to rank:

OHSU
UChicago
Northwestern
WashU St Louis
UPMC

Wash U
Uchicago = Northwestern= probably = OHSU
UPMC

 

[ETA]

Any thoughts on Dartmouth vs. Thomas Jefferson in terms of clinical training, academic reputation and research opportunities (not factoring the location). Thanks

Jefferson anyday for all of the above
Dartmouth - i think suffers from the lack of volume and pathology. Don't be fouled by the ivy league college which in my opinion, is separate from the medical ctr

 

[ETA]

Hi all,

I would appreciate you guys' help with ranking the following programs. I am interested in malignant hematology research, and want to do clinical trials and some translational research in the future. I don't have geographical restriction, but I slightly prefer to live in a city. However, if training quality and mentorship are superb, then those are the most important things to me. The following is my current rank order.

-Mayo Clinic Rochester
-UCSF
-Stanford
-Cornell
-UPMC
-Cleveland Clinic
-Moffitt

I am very indecisive among the above seven. I had the best interview experience in Mayo Rochester, and I really liked the faculty and fellows. Mayo is also strong in myeloma and lymphoma, and they have lots of great clinical trials and databases. However, I slightly prefer to live in a city because I am single. For my career goal, do you think it will be an unwise decision if I switch UCSF, Stanford or Cornell with Mayo Rochester? I feel Cornell and Stanford emphasize a lot on basic science, though, but less on clinical research/training. There is also MSKCC next to Cornell too. I haven't done interviews at UCSF or UPMC. Both interviews are very late, so I decide to ask you guys now.

-University of Minnesota
-University of Colorado
-Emory University
-City of Hope
-USC
-University of Wisconsin
-University of Miami
-UAB

I will be grateful if you can share your thoughts for my list. @gutonc

Since you are so specific in what you hope to accomplish, i would Identify a clinical and research mentor before your visit and ask for face time during your visit. You may try to solicit an email reply to those you think may be a candidate. It is easier for someone to be candid via email. Some experienced faculty may not have time nor the character fit to be your mentor. Decide on mentor first, location second.

Pointless visiting UWisc, USC, UPMC or Umiami if you are interested in Mal heme

 

[vipmak]

How to rank the following programs? Interested in Solid Oncology. Will prefer hospital based academic/hybrid practice in future.

UAB
University of Nebraska
University of Miami
University Cincinnati
U.Mass
U.Conn
St Louis University

 

[Joker10]

Hey guys, can anyone help me out with my ranking list?
Any input is appreciated. Interested in solids

1-Karmanos
2-Roswell Park
3-Boston University
4-Stony Brook
5-Medical University of South Carolina
6-University of Oklahoma

 

[PatNanym]

Curious to know why people consider OHSU better than Dartmouth. Isn't Dartmouth NCI designated and also Ivy League (I know it's mostly for undergrad, but doesn't the many graduate schools help greater cross-collaborative research)? Is there anything specific about OHSU that I'm missing that makes it better than Dartmouth?

 

[Immunoonco]

can we still edit the rank list after we certify it ?

 

[OncOncOnc]

Thoughts on DC/Baltimore area programs? I’m interested in solids. I’d like to have academic opportunities and good clinical training. I’m not sure how to rank Georgetown and UMD (which seem like similar programs aside from location and patient population - but both busy clinical centers with moderate research activity) and NCI (excellent research training, limited exposure to standard of care therapy or phase 3 trials).

 

[IM_applicant]

can we still edit the rank list after we certify it ?

NRMP says yes, but you just need to make sure to certify again

 

[Phase1Phase2]

Thoughts on DC/Baltimore area programs? I’m interested in solids. I’d like to have academic opportunities and good clinical training. I’m not sure how to rank Georgetown and UMD (which seem like similar programs aside from location and patient population - but both busy clinical centers with moderate research activity) and NCI (excellent research training, limited exposure to standard of care therapy or phase 3 trials).

I would rank GT above UMD unless you have a strong preference for Baltimore over Washington, D.C.

 

[Phase1Phase2]

Curious to know why people consider OHSU better than Dartmouth. Isn't Dartmouth NCI designated and also Ivy League (I know it's mostly for undergrad, but doesn't the many graduate schools help greater cross-collaborative research)? Is there anything specific about OHSU that I'm missing that makes it better than Dartmouth?

As a Dartmouth alum (undergrad), what does Ivy League mean? It's an athletic conference... a group of prestigious colleges that were the earliest institutes of learning in the U.S. But... what do these have to do with cancer? A college that offers a great liberal arts education to undergrads may not necessarily equal a great graduate experience, or vice versa. A hospital with a strong urology program may not have a great internal medicine program. Stop thinking brand name and start asking "what is training at this program going to do for me?" Do that by looking at the career paths of graduates after they leave the program and consider if those paths match where you see yourself going. No one can answer that but you.

 

[Phase1Phase2]

UMich = Colorado
OHSU = UMinn = CCF
IU likely = NIH (i don't know what sort of clinical exposure you get at NIH which is a big concern)

Don't know about UCSD but i suspect provides good research focus if desired

There are a lot of good programs here. Picking where you want to live is totally OK. If you want to choose which is the "best" for career development, I would rank NCI first. But career development isn't everything. Also - skiing is fun (mmm Colorado).

 

[gutonc]

There are a lot of good programs here. Picking where you want to live is totally OK. If you want to choose which is the "best" for career development, I would rank NCI first. But career development isn't everything. Also - skiing is fun (mmm Colorado).

Just want to point out that it's faster to get to the slopes from Portland than it is from Denver/Aurora.

 

[SMECE]

Wash U
Uchicago = Northwestern= probably = OHSU
UPMC

agree

 

[SMECE]

How will you rank this;

Univ of Colorado
UNC
Northwestern
Utah
Methodist

 

[gutonc]

How will you rank this;

Univ of Colorado
UNC
Northwestern
Utah
Methodist

NW
Colorado/UNC/Utah (throw a dart, flip a coin, whatever)
Methodist

 

[SMECE]

NW
Colorado/UNC/Utah (throw a dart, flip a coin, whatever)
Methodist

Thank you


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[ETA]

How will you rank this;

Univ of Colorado
UNC
Northwestern
Utah
Methodist

Colorado has a great solid tumor program but you have got to work hard to get to work with the big names. I hear the first year has a gruelling call schedule but that's how you learn. They have advanced fellowships e.g thoracic - which means more fellows and trainees to mentor and you may not be given top priority
UNC particularly awesome for benign heme. Can't go wrong here. PD awesome - a true clinical educator
Northwestern has a great program but clientele is kinda like Cornell NYP which i don't particularly enjoy. They also have advanced fellowships
Utah - big concern is the lack of pathology. Doesn't draw from a larger area and likely limited exposure to diverse pathologies

Colorado=northwestern
UNC maybe a tad bit lower in name but i don't think you can go wrong here

 

[Phase1Phase2]

Just want to point out that it's faster to get to the slopes from Portland than it is from Denver/Aurora.

Gutonc is correct. These are very important points. Colorado requires a multihour drive into the mountains. Huntsman in SLC is less than an hour. Life choices!

 

[rainyday22]

Hi !
Please help me rank these programs!
I am more interested in malignant heme currently though not BMT , though may have potential to sway in the solid oncology direction 😀 Interetsed in clinical and cancer disparity research!
No geographical restrictions though would prefer warmer weather!

1. Moffitt
2. Mayo Arizona
3. Mayo Jacksonville
4. CWRU
5. MCW
6. UAB
7. U of Nebraska
8. George Washington University
9. U of Kentucky Lexinton
10. Henry Ford
11 VCU
12. UIC
13. U of new mexico

Thank you in advance 🙂

 

[coconutpowder]

Struggling to rank Uni of Iowa and Case Western.
Will I get similar training at both? What are the advantages of one program over the other?
Is the city experience very different?
Which one has a bigger brandname and takes me anywhere with my career in the future?

 

[ETA]

Hi !
Please help me rank these programs!
I am more interested in malignant heme currently though not BMT , though may have potential to sway in the solid oncology direction 😀 Interetsed in clinical and cancer disparity research!
No geographical restrictions though would prefer warmer weather!

1. Moffitt
2. Mayo Arizona
3. Mayo Jacksonville
4. CWRU
5. MCW
6. UAB
7. U of Nebraska
8. George Washington University
9. U of Kentucky Lexinton
10. Henry Ford
11 VCU
12. UIC
13. U of new mexico

Thank you in advance 🙂

At the larger places, mal heme can be subdivided into practitioners focused in either of acute leukemias vs. lymphomas vs. myelomas/plasma cell disorders. Not sure if you are differentiated. Many of these great mal heme programs will have great BMT programs as well since BMT is can either be curative or a hail mary strategy.

One can do clinical and health disparity research anywhere i feel as you would need collaboration and less of a research team - e.g team science

Since you may be swayed to solids, i would rank

Moffitt
CWRU (likely has broader range of solid tumor program...but i sense some turmoil at CWRU....i heard that it is poorly run but this needs verification) vs. Nebraska (known for lymphomas - james armitage who likely has or close to retirement, julie vose and younger faculty member like Matt lunning)
UAB vs. MCW toss up but i think i would prefer the south

Rest i don't know much about except that UK is a small program but big new and nice hospital. They are more popular for their basketball and that Cardiology is the name in town. Nothing much going on with their onc/heme program

 

[ETA]

Struggling to rank Uni of Iowa and Case Western.
Will I get similar training at both? What are the advantages of one program over the other?
Is the city experience very different?
Which one has a bigger brandname and takes me anywhere with my career in the future?

I like case western better for both location and variety of opportunities. Case has a decent branding.
Iowa is not a sought after location. No man's land unless you like country and wish to stay in town for the long term or a big hawkeye fan. They do transition fellows to faculty.

 

[ETA]

There are a lot of good programs here. Picking where you want to live is totally OK. If you want to choose which is the "best" for career development, I would rank NCI first. But career development isn't everything. Also - skiing is fun (mmm Colorado).

The NCI has is truly a different beast on it's own. I think the NCI has evolved over the years. Initially, it was the center of cancer therapeutic during the infancy of the field and has produced many leaders in the field such as devita, george wilding, nancy davidson and others. But as time evolved, the role of NCI has changed. Industries are running trials and doing their own preclinical discovery on their own. CTEP trials are almost sort of relegated to the "reject pile".

During my time, the NCI and NHLBI were separate programs but many from the NCI have left now to include tito fojo, ola langren and others such as kieron dunleavy. At the NHLBI, i recall rick childs doing experimental transplantations with haplo-cords and they also have a strong aplastic anemia/MDS group with Dr young.

Clinically, they complete their rotations at georgetown or washington hospital (walter reed in the past) who also have their own home fellows. I wonder whether there is less ownership during these external rotations.

If the school of oncology is akin to aviation. To me, the regular fellowship programs are like flight school teaching one how to fly the 747s, cesena's and other aircrafts safely and effectively. The NIH (now combining the NCI and NHLBI) is like being at NASA trying to find a way to fly a craft to the moon with a focus on the science, process and development. One may understand more about the fundamental process of drug evaluation, early phase experimental clinical trials but may find it challenging if their goal were to be multi-tool commercial or private pilot.

Others who know more about the current state can provide updates