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3.27 cGPA, 3.24 sGPA, 31 MCAT (9/11/11)
11 DO schools
over last 2 cycles applied to a total of 25 MD schools - got 10 interviews and several waitlist positions but was told my GPA was holding me back
I'm white/middle class so no URM for me. I had some killer EC's (publications) and a very strong personal statement. I think that is what helped me get interviews. But I had a D in physics 2 for these cycles and I think that just killed me - I had mono when I took the final for the class causing my final grade to drop 22 points... I don't know why you didn't get any interviews this whole app process is just ridiculous and kills everyone's hopes and dreams
Lol sure, it's a long list and I added some "dream schools" just in case. GPA calculation is based off of my own calculator, I haven't been verified so it might be higher or lower. My list is:hey there we have SUPER similar stats do you think you could tell me what schools you are applying to? or is that too much haha
I wouldn't count your dream schools out. I have seen people get rejected by their safety schools while getting in to the one that they really wanted to. The application cycle can be pretty unpredictable at times.Lol sure, it's a long list and I added some "dream schools" just in case. GPA calculation is based off of my own calculator, I haven't been verified so it might be higher or lower. My list is:
CCOM
NSU (I'm a FL resident)
MUCOM
ATSU
PCOM - GA
PNWU
UNECOM
NYIT
DMU
WVCOM
Pikeville
VCOM (all)
ACOM
KCUMB
CUSOM
LMU
Rocky Vista
Touro Nevada
William Carey
LECOM (both campuses)
Burrell
LUCOM
No way on earth do you need that many schools - see my post above.3.5 cGPA / 3.3 sGPA / 30 (9, 11, 10).
Right now, 24 MD and 15 DO. Trying to narrow it down to ~35 total.
Heyo grats on TCOM, thats a stellar program from what I hear. Thats absolutely fantastic that you got off the waitlist.Very nice post @Awesome Sauceome and I still admire how successful you were last cycle. I will also summarize my cycle from last year to add to this thread.
-26 year old male
-19, 26(10P 6V 10B) MCAT, AACOMAS c3.4, s3.2, TMDSAS c3.69, s3.5
-3000+ hours of clinical experience working as a CNA in hospitals
-200+ hours shadowing doctors in Urology, Gen Surg, Ortho, Family Med (1 hour interview with a DO + LOR)
-Low end of volunteering <100 hours
-Lived in China teaching English for 1 year, work as a CNA in a psych prison 1 year
-320 hours research during Summer REU with no publications
-Primary submitted in mid June, secondaries received between July 1st and mid August (some schools are later than others)
-Applications completed by end of August
DO Schools applied to
MUCOM (did not complete), LUCOM (did not complete), KYCOM, KCOM, LECOM-E, LECOM-B, NSU, VCOM-CC, VCOM-VC, VCOM-Auburn, ACOM, LMU-DCOM, WCU-COM, DMU, RVU, TUNCOM, WesternU, TCOM, SOMA, AZCOM, WVSOM
MD Schools applied to (state schools)
UTSW, UTH, UTSA, TTU-L, TTU-El Paso, UTMB
Interviews
Early on interviews with ACOM in September, TCOM and TUNCOM in early October (same weekend), WCU-COM in December, KYCOM in February.
Wait list
ACOM, TUNCOM, TCOM
Acceptances
WCU-COM, KYCOM, TCOM
I believe my early submission helped me land some early interviews however my 6V on my MCAT forced my application cycle to last longer than if I had a more balanced score hence all of the early wait lists. Getting accepted off the wait list at TCOM finalized my cycle and I have been relaxing since then. My cycle was one heck of an emotional roller coaster ride.
err...id of expected more interviews? Or is that just me who's surprised?Very nice post @Awesome Sauceome and I still admire how successful you were last cycle. I will also summarize my cycle from last year to add to this thread.
-26 year old male
-19, 26(10P 6V 10B) MCAT, AACOMAS c3.4, s3.2, TMDSAS c3.69, s3.5
-3000+ hours of clinical experience working as a CNA in hospitals
-200+ hours shadowing doctors in Urology, Gen Surg, Ortho, Family Med (1 hour interview with a DO + LOR)
-Low end of volunteering <100 hours
-Lived in China teaching English for 1 year, work as a CNA in a psych prison 1 year
-320 hours research during Summer REU with no publications
-Primary submitted in mid June, secondaries received between July 1st and mid August (some schools are later than others)
-Applications completed by end of August
DO Schools applied to
MUCOM (did not complete), LUCOM (did not complete), KYCOM, KCOM, LECOM-E, LECOM-B, NSU, VCOM-CC, VCOM-VC, VCOM-Auburn, ACOM, LMU-DCOM, WCU-COM, DMU, RVU, TUNCOM, WesternU, TCOM, SOMA, AZCOM, WVSOM
MD Schools applied to (state schools)
UTSW, UTH, UTSA, TTU-L, TTU-El Paso, UTMB
Interviews
Early on interviews with ACOM in September, TCOM and TUNCOM in early October (same weekend), WCU-COM in December, KYCOM in February.
Wait list
ACOM, TUNCOM, TCOM
Acceptances
WCU-COM, KYCOM, TCOM
I believe my early submission helped me land some early interviews however my 6V on my MCAT forced my application cycle to last longer than if I had a more balanced score hence all of the early wait lists. Getting accepted off the wait list at TCOM finalized my cycle and I have been relaxing since then. My cycle was one heck of an emotional roller coaster ride.
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err...id of expected more interviews? Or is that just me who's surprised?
Besides kcumb and pcom, where else does this apply? And with pcom, they "suggest" an 8 or higher to be competitive. I don't think lower means an automatic rejection.Having a 6 in any one section in MCAT is a rejection at already many DO schools. They want at least a 7 per section.
It's like a 24 on old scale.3.3 cGPA/sGPA. prelim percentile of 55% on new MCAT, retaking the end of June. I've got 12 DO schools so far, but looking at you guys I'm starting to think I might need more...
No way on earth do you need that many schools - see my post above.
You could get by with 8 well picked DO schools - so that would basically halve the amount you were originally applying to.Just read your post - thanks! Questions for you and @JeBrAs (and anyone else who wants to contribute):
What do you think of 21 MD and 6-10 DO? I'm pretty set on the 21 MD, since my GPAs are on the low side for those schools, so I wanted to apply more broadly. In terms of the DO programs, is 6 enough or should I aim more towards 10?
I am a PA resident and I should note my sGPA for AACOMAS will be above a 3.3 due to the different way its calculated, probably more like a 3.5-3.6. I can elaborate a bit on my ec's if that makes a difference.
3.8+ sGPA and cGPA. 25 MCAT.
~28 DO schools
You could get by with 8 well picked DO schools - so that would basically halve the amount you were originally applying to.
If I could go back, I could have gotten away with 8 schools and still felt comfortable, and thats with worst stats than you.
What is your state of residence on your application?Thanks for the advice! What do you think of this list?
Definite:
PCOM
Rowan
UNECOM
CCOM Midwestern
Nova
NYITCOM
Maybe:
Edward Via - Carolinas
Edward Via - Virginia (have to check on prereqs for these 2)
KCUMB
DMUCOM
Pacific Northwest
AT Still - Kirksville
AZCOM Midwestern
Campbell University COM
Any suggestions to add/cross-off?
What is your state of residence on your application?
Besides kcumb and pcom, where else does this apply? And with pcom, they "suggest" an 8 or higher to be competitive. I don't think lower means an automatic rejection.
I agree it will hurt, but if you're really passionate about going to a certain school, I don't see why you wouldn't take the time and effort to apply while doing your best to highlight the other aspects of your application. Unless a school is guaranteed to auto screen, why not take a chance?Well isn't an automatic rejection but it is a red flag for them. There are plenty of applicants with each section at least 8. Average mcat score for DO is already 27.43...Rowan already has an average MCAT of 28. If you want to apply EDP for Rowan, you need to have an MCAT score of at least a 28. No exceptions.
Unless you have stellar EC's and/or URM then it will certainly hurt. Keep in mind these people who got in already have higher than average mcat scores and lots of EC's and took gap years.
A 6 in a section means you were only 23.5th percentile in that section. Even though a high MCAT can make up for a bad GPA and vice versa, MCAT is a better predictor than GPA, since MCAT is standardized and GPA can vary by difficulty of major and which school you go to. MCAT carries more weight than GPA.
It's a case by case scenario with KCU, they seem to be more forgiving with the VR if your other two sections are soli (i.e. I had a 12 in BS which I think saved my <8 VR). PCOM is a bit more strict when it comes to seeing anything below 8 because they have so many well qualified applicants.
To add:
3.7 cGPA and sGPA, 25-27 MCAT (<8 in VR, 12 in BS).
I applied to around 30 schools (all DO), submitted around 12 secondaries and received 4 interviews. Like @Awesome Sauceome , after interviewing at KCU i didn't attend my other ii's which was mainly due to 1) feeling very plugged in to the community at KCU 2) high interest in their curriculum and future prospects 3) collaborative efforts with their two neighboring MD schools (KU-Med and UMKC).
I received ii's at CUSOM, VCOM-Auburn, and PNWU.
Regarding the MCAT score, I have a decent verbal and bs score (12, 10), but i have a low ps score (7), how does this play out for me?
To contribute as well, i have a 3.5 cgpa, 3.4 sgpa, 29 MCAT, NY resident
I'm currently applying to 6 so far:
TouroNY
NYIT
Rowan
PCOM
LECOM
WVSOM
If anyone has any suggestions, feel free! Thanks!
I agree with @Awesome Sauceome with you could prolly get away with ~8 well picked out DO schools just depends on how much you are willing to spend. You could have a B list in the event that you don't receive as many interviews to send out a little later.Just read your post - thanks! Questions for you and @JeBrAs (and anyone else who wants to contribute):
What do you think of 21 MD and 6-10 DO? I'm pretty set on the 21 MD, since my GPAs are on the low side for those schools, so I wanted to apply more broadly. In terms of the DO programs, is 6 enough or should I aim more towards 10?
I am a PA resident and I should note my sGPA for AACOMAS will be above a 3.3 due to the different way its calculated, probably more like a 3.5-3.6. I can elaborate a bit on my ec's if that makes a difference.
I would add KCUMB, DMU and KCOM on there as well.Thanks for the advice! What do you think of this list?
Definite:
PCOM
Rowan
UNECOM
CCOM Midwestern
Nova
NYITCOM
Maybe:
Edward Via - Carolinas
Edward Via - Virginia (have to check on prereqs for these 2)
KCUMB
DMUCOM
Pacific Northwest
AT Still - Kirksville
AZCOM Midwestern
Campbell University COM
Any suggestions to add/cross-off?
Thanks for the advice! What do you think of this list?
Definite:
PCOM
Rowan
UNECOM
CCOM Midwestern
Nova
NYITCOM
Maybe:
Edward Via - Carolinas
Edward Via - Virginia (have to check on prereqs for these 2)
KCUMB
DMUCOM
Pacific Northwest
AT Still - Kirksville
AZCOM Midwestern
Campbell University COM
Any suggestions to add/cross-off?
21 schools, science gpa: 3.61, overall: 3.64, 27 mcat (8,9,10). The list GPA is the AACOMAS-calculated GPA.
Did you recieve any feedback at the other schools regarding your <8 VR? Also did I read somewhere on here that English isn't your first language?
I saw it on my app once my transcripts were verified. Manage programs -> Program Status -> and then click the blue icon to the right of the school's name to load a PDF containing your application. Scroll down and you'll find your GPA. There were some problems about loading the PDF but it should be fixed now.Did you calculate your AACOMAS gpa or do you see it on your submitted app somewhere? I thought we couldn't see that until we were verified.
but that's just 1 classYeah true. I honestly thought I had a shot at some interviews, but not even one interview. I agree the whole app process is ridiculous and lots of qualified candidates get turned down. I know some people who got into MD schools because they knew ADCOMS of that school.
Although not getting any interviews did humble me quite a bit. I hope my luck turns around for DO.
do you regret not going to the other interviews? what if you liked those better than KCU? I guess the DO deposits are what really get people downI will post my experience for anyone, since I applied last cycle:
> age 24 white male, 3.6 s/cgpa. 28 MCAT (9,9,10).
> 300 hours work experience as a medical assistant
> roughly 100 hours of shadowing (DO) in ortho, peds, and EM. (Got a DO letter of rec)
> Average volunteering, maybe a couple hundred hours in non-medical stuff
> A couple interesting work experiences like working at a summer camp, some contract lab tech jobs, etc.
> Roughly 4000 hours of research at the time of my app, including work for the USDA and the medical college of wisconsin. No pubs. Several national poster presentations. A couple presentations at journal clubs here at MCW.
Uhh I think that is about it haha?
Applied to 10 schools (only applied DO):
DMU, PCOM, MUCOM, ACOM, KCU, NOVA, Rowan, UNECOM, VCOM-VA, and CUSOM.
> Primary was in June 7th.
> Secondaries from all schools were received between June 23rd-ish to July 21st-ish (except Rowan whose system was all F'ed up last cycle). Returned all secondaries and letters of rec between July 23rd and 30th (I was waiting so long for my committee letter).
Started hearing about interviews in the 2nd week of August. Lined up KCU and MUCOM for the middle of September (2 days apart lol). Got accepted to KCU 5 days after interview, got accepted to MUCOM a week or so after that. Received 3 more interview invites by the end of October - DMU, ACOM, and CUSOM. Ended up taking my acceptance to KCU, put down my deposit in the beginning of October, canceled my other 3 interviews, and pulled my application from all other schools. Cycle complete, sit back and relax for 9 months with my feet on my desk.
So yup, thats about how it went for me, nothing too special.
One piece of advice I will give is to keep your eyes open about each school. For instance I was hesitant about KCU (and half-@ssed my secondary because of it lol) but ended up loving it after my interview. MUCOM was one of my number one schools until I interviewed and realized I hated it. Go in with an open mind, dont listen to SDN too much about that stuff. You will feel it in your gut whether or not a school is right for you. No one can tell you what school is best for you. The best school is the cheapest one that you can see yourself working hard at for 4 years.
Also retrospectively I regret not applying to more reach schools. I should have shelled out the extra 300 or whatever it would have costed to apply to MCW and my state school, UW. Not necessarily because of any DO vs MD thing, but solely because my state school would have been pretty cheap and a lot of MD schools have more money for scholarships and such. Cast a wide net with both upper limit schools and lower limit schools. This whole process is an absolute crap shoot, you never know what school you will wrangle up. Play to your geographical strengths. A little extra money spent now may open up doors that save you thousands of dollars later. The idea of "safety schools" its a total lie, its all about mission and geography - schools know what they are looking for.
Be nice to everyone on the trail with you: interviewers, interviewees, janitors, professors, current students. I met some weird (some would call them gunners) on the trail. You are shooting yourself in the foot by not just being a normal friendly person. Be mature, dont make an @ss out of yourself, just have fun with it. You are interviewing the school just as much as they are interviewing you.
Feel free to ask questions here if you have any. I have some time over the next couple weeks.
And deposits will really bog you down if you keep getting acceptances from schools that you have prioritized higher on your list. Example, accepted to school #10 (alright first acceptance! pay the deposit), a bit later accepted to school #5 (alright a better school! pay the deposit), at the end of the cycle get accepted off a wait list to your #1 (alright top choice school! pay the deposit).do you regret not going to the other interviews? what if you liked those better than KCU? I guess the DO deposits are what really get people down
Very nice post @Awesome Sauceome and I still admire how successful you were last cycle. I will also summarize my cycle from last year to add to this thread.
-26 year old male
-19, 26(10P 6V 10B) MCAT, AACOMAS c3.4, s3.2, TMDSAS c3.69, s3.5
-3000+ hours of clinical experience working as a CNA in hospitals
-200+ hours shadowing doctors in Urology, Gen Surg, Ortho, Family Med (1 hour interview with a DO + LOR)
-Low end of volunteering <100 hours
-Lived in China teaching English for 1 year, work as a CNA in a psych prison 1 year
-320 hours research during Summer REU with no publications
-Primary submitted in mid June, secondaries received between July 1st and mid August (some schools are later than others)
-Applications completed by end of August
DO Schools applied to
MUCOM (did not complete), LUCOM (did not complete), KYCOM, KCOM, LECOM-E, LECOM-B, NSU, VCOM-CC, VCOM-VC, VCOM-Auburn, ACOM, LMU-DCOM, WCU-COM, DMU, RVU, TUNCOM, WesternU, TCOM, SOMA, AZCOM, WVSOM
MD Schools applied to (state schools)
UTSW, UTH, UTSA, TTU-L, TTU-El Paso, UTMB
Interviews
Early on interviews with ACOM in September, TCOM and TUNCOM in early October (same weekend), WCU-COM in December, KYCOM in February.
Wait list
ACOM, TUNCOM, TCOM
Acceptances
WCU-COM, KYCOM, TCOM
I believe my early submission helped me land some early interviews however my 6V on my MCAT forced my application cycle to last longer than if I had a more balanced score hence all of the early wait lists. Getting accepted off the wait list at TCOM finalized my cycle and I have been relaxing since then. My cycle was one heck of an emotional roller coaster ride.
@JeBrAs How were your AACOMAS GPAs way lower than TMDSAS?
Well so, at the time I was extremely strapped for money, hence I did not even apply to the two state MD schools. At the time of applying I was 1 year out of undergrad, living with my wife and 1000 miles away from home. Cash was very tight so every decision I made on this process was extremely thought out...do you regret not going to the other interviews? what if you liked those better than KCU? I guess the DO deposits are what really get people down