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CoffeeQuestionMark said:
WHAT is the POINT of blocking a village protector if not taking advantage of it? YES, blocking a village protector is wolfy if you're then going to kill their target, but if you're just blocking them for the sake of blocking them... how is that wolfy?
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Because they don know who I am protecting??? So they need to block me no matter who they want to kill????
 
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CoffeeQuestionMark said:
Pretend for a second you believe him. He blocked Weim once, there was no kill, decides Weim must be wolf because there was no kill, leaves a contingency to block her again, and checks out before it is clear what happened during the no kill night. When he put in the action to do it again, he would've believed the block prevented a kill
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I’m assuming you new info that’s making you suspect WM, because even you have been all over Mel before today.
 
CoffeeQuestionMark said:
Pretend for a second you believe him. He blocked Weim once, there was no kill, decides Weim must be wolf because there was no kill, leaves a contingency to block her again, and checks out before it is clear what happened during the no kill night. When he put in the action to do it again, he would've believed the block prevented a kill
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Ok and it didn’t... so why is he still on my ass?

Also, if you can believe all of that please tell me why it is so far fetched that he could be a wolf, blocked me while they converted someone that night, and then because I happened to have been the person blocked on a no kill night he conviently got to act like he prevented a kill?

I can’t figure out if you’re so obsessed with Mel being village that you’re making me fit the story line or if you’re so obsessed with me being a wolf that you’re making HIM fit it.

As I said before, it’s possible it’s all coincidence and blah blah blah but at this point I would be shocked if Mel flipped village.

I’m not really willing to argue in circles anymore, I’m going to the gym but will be back later.
 
WeimMama said:
Ok and it didn’t... so why is he still on my ass?

Also, if you can believe all of that please tell me why it is so far fetched that he could be a wolf, blocked me while they converted someone that night, and then because I happened to have been the person blocked on a no kill night he conviently got to act like he prevented a kill?

I can’t figure out if you’re so obsessed with Mel being village that you’re making me fit the story line or if you’re so obsessed with me being a wolf that you’re making HIM fit it.

As I said before, it’s possible it’s all coincidence and blah blah blah but at this point I would be shocked if Mel flipped village.

I’m not really willing to argue in circles anymore, I’m going to the gym but will be back later.
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That's... not what happened. On conversion night, he said he blocked Cubs. The next night, he said he blocked you, which is the same night Genny claims to have been attacked. Unless you want to believe genny is lying? 🙄
 
CoffeeQuestionMark said:
That's... not what happened. On conversion night, he said he blocked Cubs. The next night, he said he blocked you, which is the same night Genny claims to have been attacked. Unless you want to believe genny is lying? 🙄
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Ok but how do we know it was a conversion that night.
And 2. If the wolf is blocked they don’t even get to attempt an attack. That’s not how it works.
 
SkiOtter said:
Oooooor they could keep blocking her and making it seem like she was the one doing the kills and that cheez just blocked multiple kills and let the village lynch her for them. Works either way you look at it.
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Uhm, except he has only blocked her 1 night that resulted in no kills and we had an explanation for it. PLUS they would have had to have known there would be a no kill, which is you believe genny, means you also believe there is someone infiltrating the village bloc, which is irrelevant to Weim and Mel completely
 
SkiOtter said:
Ok but how do we know it was a conversion that night.
And 2. If the wolf is blocked they don’t even get to attempt an attack. That’s not how it works.
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The write up was OBVIOUS conversion style. Compare it to the next night's. Also, I don't see your point. That is exactly what I'm saying. Mel blocked Weim but MJ not Weim attacked genny.
 
CoffeeQuestionMark said:
The write up was OBVIOUS conversion style. Compare it to the next night's. Also, I don't see your point. That is exactly what I'm saying. Mel blocked Weim but MJ not Weim attacked genny.
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But how do we know that the person attacked that was not genny’s night wasn’t protected by the other protector and just not notified that the protection saved them. We don’t. We don’t know if mods give a different notification for a successful protection from an attack vs one that was not needed.
 
SkiOtter said:
But how do we know that the person attacked that was not genny’s night wasn’t protected by the other protector and just not notified that the protection saved them. We don’t. We don’t know if mods give a different notification for a successful protection from an attack vs one that was not needed.
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Because it reads like a conversion night write up? Ominous write ups almost always point to a conversion. Plus there have been no other conversion nights. And you, yourself, believe that there have been up to 2 conversions.
 
CoffeeQuestionMark said:
Because it reads like a conversion night write up? Ominous write ups almost always point to a conversion. Plus there have been no other conversion nights. And you, yourself, believe that there have been up to 2 conversions.
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Want to address why suddenly today you’re so sure it’s NOT Mel when you’ve also been tunneling hard on him?
 
Caiter92 said:
Want to address why suddenly today you’re so sure it’s NOT Mel when you’ve also been tunneling hard on him?
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I have been! I've been going back and forth. And what keeps me going back is that I think his blocking choices have not been being used as a wolfy ability.

Vs Weim's logic as to how they DO make him wolfy is SO broken.

I strongly suggest, if Mel flips village, tomorrow we lynch Weim.
 
CoffeeQuestionMark said:
Because it reads like a conversion night write up? Ominous write ups almost always point to a conversion. Plus there have been no other conversion nights. And you, yourself, believe that there have been up to 2 conversions.
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I’m talking about weim being blocked and not the night genny says she was attacked. I’m not talking about the conversion night.
 
SkiOtter said:
I’m talking about weim being blocked and not the night genny says she was attacked. I’m not talking about the conversion night.
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Focus. Weim says she was blocked the last two nights. Has not made another claim. Block 1 happened the night genny was attacked. Block 2 cray still died, a kill was not blocked or claimed to have been blocked.
 
WeimMama said:
I’m not a wolf. I don’t know for sure that Mel is a wolf but blocking my ability is incredibly wolfy so either he’s being really remarkably dense or he is a wolf.
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How would he know your ability? Village PRs make the wrong choices it happens. Him blocking you and your sketchy play doesnt make him a wolf

### unlynch mel, lynch weim ### the twist is you're a wolf

cubsrule4e said:
Why has there been no early close with consensus on Mel? It didnt happen with AM either, only the 2 wolves.
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Maybe bc hes not a wolf
 
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Day 10 It's NOT Still Tölting Tuesday Take Two Lynch Tally

Mel (6) - ski, weim, caiter, MSU, mj, genny
mutts (1) - cubs
Weim (2) - Coffee?, mutts

9/13 voting

Lynch close at 9pm CST (~7.5 hrs remaining)

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Guys, it’s not a mechanism related to a wolf being at majority. Don’t start using that to argue Mel is village.
 
CoffeeQuestionMark said:
I won't be surprised either. I keep going back and forth between definitely wolf and definitely village. But, usually when I'm tunneling they are village, and at this moment I'm thinking that's how he will flip.
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So I’ve been side eyeing you since you tried to argue a few days ago MJ was village because he was only voting for wolves. This seriously wishy washy “Mel is DEF village” to now being “oh well I wouldn’t be surprised either way” isn’t helping.

You’re way too obvious of a convert target. But also, I’m finding this sketch.
 
Caiter92 said:
So I’ve been side eyeing you since you tried to argue a few days ago MJ was village because he was only voting for wolves. This seriously wishy washy “Mel is DEF village” to now being “oh well I wouldn’t be surprised either way” isn’t helping.

You’re way too obvious of a convert target. But also, I’m finding this sketch.
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Mm, I didn't say MJ was village. In fact, If it wasn't for me bringing attention to him and the fact that we were not productively working together, I don't think he would've been voted for at all.
 
CoffeeQuestionMark said:
Mm, I didn't say MJ was village. In fact, If it wasn't for me bringing attention to him and the fact that we were not productively working together, I don't think he would've been voted for at all.
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You literally tried to defend his play

CoffeeQuestionMark said:
Let's pretend for a second that no one who has voted today is an ORIGINAL wolf

Snowy - rezzer
genny - Vouch from Cait
Cubs - Vouch from genny
Mel - village blocker???
Killer/Ski - died village
Coffee - mod cleared
MJ - ??? well he has been voting for the wolves at least

Out of
Dina, Cray, MSU, Weim

Is there anyone we can agree to lynch today as a group consensus?
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Caiter92 said:
I don’t really think MJ just voting for wolves should clear him... cause he’s only been showing up to do that.

But I have reasons to feel okay about cray for now, so I don’t think she should be up today.
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CoffeeQuestionMark said:
I think it makes him less likely to be wolf and I wouldn't be thrilled to vote there but guess I could

So add cray - vouch from Cait
And I'm also going to put Mutts - SOFT vouch from Coffee - if the group wants to vote there I would want to talk to her first

I will put unlynch Mel Lynch Dina for now
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Caiter92 said:
But why does it make MJ less likely a wolf? We have nothing to go on with him, and skirting by is his thing these days. If he got on, and saw a wolf was up for lynch, it would make sense for him to vote there.

I’m not saying we have to go there right now, but him voting for wolves in all three lynches is moot to me when it’s not like he’s been around to develop his own theories.
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CoffeeQuestionMark said:
I saw him wolf twice last year and IMO he was pretty obvious as a wolf those times.
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Caiter92 said:
He literally just skirted by in Dog’s until the end.
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But nice job trying to claim credit for his first lynch
 
Caiter92 said:
You literally tried to defend his play


But nice job trying to claim credit for his first lynch
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UH, I see your quotes but I never said he was village. I very clearly put question marks because didn't have any reason to believe he WASN'T village. NOR wolf. PLUS, if I KNEW he was alpha wolf, it'd be easy to push people to vote there and see nothing happen, waste some lynch cycles, and get extra kills + village cred for pushing it.


I will also add that EVERYONE has been going back and forth on Mel. He was originally thought to be clear due to not having a counter claim for blocking, and if you recall it was also me that figured out there wasn't even a second blocker. I'm just thinking through things, which is what everyone should be doing, not just jumping on one theory.

What will be your thoughts if Mel DOES flip Village? Would've just killed the village blocker and if I wasn't picking apart Weim's parts, tomorrow would be like "where next"

I'd love to see more discussion aside from just focusing on Mel being a wolf because he isn't partaking today and we don't know how that will turn out.
 
CoffeeQuestionMark said:
UH, I see your quotes but I never said he was village. I very clearly put question marks because didn't have any reason to believe he WASN'T village. NOR wolf. PLUS, if I KNEW he was alpha wolf, it'd be easy to push people to vote there and see nothing happen, waste some lynch cycles, and get extra kills + village cred for pushing it.


I will also add that EVERYONE has been going back and forth on Mel. He was originally thought to be clear due to not having a counter claim for blocking, and if you recall it was also me that figured out there wasn't even a second blocker. I'm just thinking through things, which is what everyone should be doing, not just jumping on one theory.

What will be your thoughts if Mel DOES flip Village? Would've just killed the village blocker and if I wasn't picking apart Weim's parts, tomorrow would be like "where next"

I'd love to see more discussion aside from just focusing on Mel being a wolf because he isn't partaking today and we don't know how that will turn out.
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You said based on his voting history it made MJ less likely a wolf. When ALL we had was lynch votes. When that was all the info we had, why didn’t you put him with the other four? MSU hadn’t been active either. You had just as much info on him as her. It’s weird.

Also it was crays info that made people realize there wasn’t a second blocker, so I’m not really sure what you’re implting there.

If Mel flips village, then yeah we should lynch weim tomorrow. Her being blocked on the second no kill night is highly suspect. But Mel has been sketchier to me than weim, so yeah I’m leaving my Lynch vote where it is until we see how he flips. If he’s village? Sorry Mel, maybe don’t rage quit then.
 
Caiter92 said:
You said based on his voting history it made MJ less likely a wolf. When ALL we had was lynch votes. When that was all the info we had, why didn’t you put him with the other four? MSU hadn’t been active either. You had just as much info on him as her. It’s weird.

Also it was crays info that made people realize there wasn’t a second blocker, so I’m not really sure what you’re implting there.

If Mel flips village, then yeah we should lynch weim tomorrow. Her being blocked on the second no kill night is highly suspect. But Mel has been sketchier to me than weim, so yeah I’m leaving my Lynch vote where it is until we see how he flips. If he’s village? Sorry Mel, maybe don’t rage quit then.
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Yeah, because I stated "let's pretend those who have voted..", and then I started to list why those people were, then I got to MJ, and I wrote ??? because it was easier to group everyone like that, but I didn't really have a reason to group him.

And, yes, but Cray didn't say anything before I ASKED Cray if she was blocked because I suspected there wasn't really a second blocker. I WANTED to drive a lynch against Mel. Why would I drive a lynch against Mel and then back track if I wanted to save him? I just wouldn't have said anything in the first place. I wanted to lynch him the most at one point.

And that's fine, I'm not saying let's not lynch Mel, I just think with everyone having decided he wasn't worth lynching before, the jump to now lynching him is with weak reason.
 
Caiter92 said:
You said based on his voting history it made MJ less likely a wolf. When ALL we had was lynch votes. When that was all the info we had, why didn’t you put him with the other four? MSU hadn’t been active either. You had just as much info on him as her. It’s weird.

Also it was crays info that made people realize there wasn’t a second blocker, so I’m not really sure what you’re implting there.

If Mel flips village, then yeah we should lynch weim tomorrow. Her being blocked on the second no kill night is highly suspect. But Mel has been sketchier to me than weim, so yeah I’m leaving my Lynch vote where it is until we see how he flips. If he’s village? Sorry Mel, maybe don’t rage quit then.
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Here's the other thing. You haven't even recognized my arguments against Weim being valid. For you it's just either, Weim or Mel for seemingless no reason. But to go off that makes no sense. Mel didn't block a kill from Weim - That's known. So you either think my arguments are good and reason to lynch Weim tomorrow, which makes no sense because you are being aggressive towards me for them, or you think there is no argument, in which case why lynch Weim tomorrow?
 
CoffeeQuestionMark said:
Here's the other thing. You haven't even recognized my arguments against Weim being valid. For you it's just either, Weim or Mel for seemingless no reason. But to go off that makes no sense. Mel didn't block a kill from Weim - That's known. So you either think my arguments are good and reason to lynch Weim tomorrow, which makes no sense because you are being aggressive towards me for them, or you think there is no argument, in which case why lynch Weim tomorrow?
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Uh no. I never said they weren't valid. I just don't think your arguments about why Weim is a wolf are any less tinfoily than the ones about Mel (framing Weim, framing cubs, rage quiting cause he was caught). So obviously I'd go with Mel to start. I DO think if Mel flips village we need to lynch Weim. I never said we shouldn't. And literally say in the post you're quoting we should if he does.

I'm not being aggressive towards you about them? I asked why the sudden flip, because it's weird. It also seems to me you're trying to frame it so either way you're right with regards to him flipping.
 
Caiter92 said:
Uh no. I never said they weren't valid. I just don't think your arguments about why Weim is a wolf are any less tinfoily than the ones about Mel (framing Weim, framing cubs, rage quiting cause he was caught). So obviously I'd go with Mel to start. I DO think if Mel flips village we need to lynch Weim. I never said we shouldn't. And literally say in the post you're quoting we should if he does.

I'm not being aggressive towards you about them? I asked why the sudden flip, because it's weird. It also seems to me you're trying to frame it so either way you're right with regards to him flipping.
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I didn't say you said we shouldn't. I'm saying if you don't agree with my reasons, then you shouldn't, because Mel's reason at first for voting Weim was weak.

You're trying to shade me for my argument. I have been going back and forth for days, probably longer than anyone still alive in this game. And I'l be glad if Mel is wolf, because that'd make my original intuition right (I thought there had to be a wolf between Mel/Stagg/Kara).
 
CoffeeQuestionMark said:
I didn't say you said we shouldn't. I'm saying if you don't agree with my reasons, then you shouldn't, because Mel's reason at first for voting Weim was weak.

You're trying to shade me for my argument. I have been going back and forth for days, probably longer than anyone still alive in this game. And I'l be glad if Mel is wolf, because that'd make my original intuition right (I thought there had to be a wolf between Mel/Stagg/Kara).
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I'm not shading you, I'm saying I feel you're being inconsistent.
 
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