I exaggerated my EC's on AMCAS and I got called on it.

[nolookpass]

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Relax.

Being a little less than honest about volunteer hours is not the same thing as faking credentials nor will it lead to doing something of that nature. Also I never said what I did was ok...just that a lot of premeds probably do it although they would never admit to it.

Congrats on the new contract.

Did you put down a number and name? I still don't get how your app was allowed to be submitted/processed with an empty field in those sections. 100 to 250 hours is a big leap, but nothing about 250 hours working in an ER screams red flag since that seems like a common number of hours working in a hospital. That's why I'm really wondering how you got called out on that specific thing. Something had to be off.

 

[jl lin]

Also documenting by exception if you did not actually examine the part in question is lying. If you're doing an ankle sprain and you say no respiratory distress, TM's normal, oropharynx clear, no wheezes/rales/ronchi, no skin rash, mood and affect normal, PERLLA, EOMI (though this is not as bad because it's obvious to tell from talking). Now how many doctors will check TM's, oropharynx, the skin, lungs, heart, eyes on a simple ankle sprain? Almost NONE because it is a waste of time, yet they will overdocument and overbill.

Yes, this is why there is a difference between a full physical examination and focused exams. Seriously? Again, how is this even remotely related to the thread/topic at hand?

 

[ImmunoLove]

Congrats on the new contract.

Did you put down a number and name? I still don't get how your app was allowed to be submitted/processed with an empty field in those sections. 100 to 250 hours is a big leap, but nothing about 250 hours working in an ER screams red flag since that seems like a common number of hours working in a hospital. That's why I'm really wondering how you got called out on that specific thing. Something had to be off.

I would tend to agree...It's surprising someone would even notice...

 

[Pusheen]

congrats to OP, you've made the viral SDN thread of the day

 

[jl lin]

Relax.

Being a little less than honest about volunteer hours is not the same thing as faking credentials nor will it lead to doing something of that nature. Also I never said what I did was ok...just that a lot of premeds probably do it although they would never admit to it.

Seriously though, being a person of integrity is not something to avoid. What others do is not relevant to your own integrity. Personally, I could care less. Although such behaviors, though minimal, could be marked as harbingers of things to come. Depends.

It's just that I would try to be as on target as possible. Honestly, it would bug me. I mean, when men have flirted with me, honestly, it makes me uncomfortable. It's the same thing in that certain things are supposed to make you feel a bit uncomfortable, b/c it's internally telling you something important about you or me. It doesn't mean I don't smile and let it slide; b/c people are just people. But if it keeps on going, it feels weird, and I like to live with an sense of internal peace. Life is freer and better than way.

 

[NonTrad16]

Relax.

Being a little less than honest about volunteer hours is not the same thing as faking credentials nor will it lead to doing something of that nature. Also I never said what I did was ok...just that a lot of premeds probably do it although they would never admit to it.

While we are being honest, care to share what else you exaggerated? Obviously you wouldn't lie about a credential (just to be clear, those stories start with small fibs), but you made numerous false claims on your app. I'm just curious what "many people" do. Honestly at this point I'm just curious to hear before the thread gets shut down.

 

[jl lin]

congrats to OP, you've made the viral SDN thread of the day

Is it? Guess that means it's time to leave.

 

[ImmunoLove]

Aw. I wish my hospital honored those with 100 or even 200 hours 🙁. We don't get anything until we hit 300. In fact, if we don't, technically we "haven't completed the program"...but apparently plenty of people just go in and get their 100 hours and leave.

At our hospital, 500 hrs/yr gets you a $7 card in the cafeteria (on your birthday). Never mind that everything in there starts at $10...

 

[NotASerialKiller]

While we are being honest, care to share what else you exaggerated? Obviously you wouldn't lie about a credential (just to be clear, those stories start with small fibs), but you made numerous false claims on your app. I'm just curious what "many people" do. Honestly at this point I'm just curious to hear before the thread gets shut down.

I'm betting that if pressed I could adequately convince a panel that I've received 600 hours of classical ballet training. Twirl, air splits, deny that I just tore my groin, home free.

 

[ImmunoLove]

While we are being honest, care to share what else you exaggerated? Obviously you wouldn't lie about a credential (just to be clear, those stories start with small fibs), but you made numerous false claims on your app. I'm just curious what "many people" do. Honestly at this point I'm just curious to hear before the thread gets shut down.

As this is an anonymous forum, it might be helpful to share any other possible inconsistencies to determine whether other issues may arise in the future, and to best inform your next steps. There is a wealth of knowledge here, and if done right, you could use it to your advantage, I mean.

 

[METTA WORLD PEACE]

While we are being honest, care to share what else you exaggerated? Obviously you wouldn't lie about a credential (just to be clear, those stories start with small fibs), but you made numerous false claims on your app. I'm just curious what "many people" do. Honestly at this point I'm just curious to hear before the thread gets shut down.

False claims?? Excuse me??

Everything about my volunteering experience at the ER was spot on (name of the place, location, dates volunteered), just not the hours which I bumped up a bit.

I didn't make any false claims on my application. Like I said, I added a few hours here and there. What's your point?

 

[jl lin]

Seriously!?!? It's not like I lied or falsified anything...just added some hours here and there. Now, one school I applied to is asking for written documentation regarding a particular EC I listed. How did they find out? or is this standard? I didn't even provide contact info; just the name of the place. Obviously I can't provide the documentation so I'm planning on withdrawing my application? This won't affect the other schools I applied to right? Anyone in a similar situation?

I have no idea how old you are, but I will share this with you. If I stated on a resume/application that my RN license was current, when it was not, or that I graduated at a time that I had not, or that I did well on CCRN and was certified, but was not, or if my dates of employment don't reasonably match up--any of these things or more, I would fail to get the job/position, and HR people tend to know each other--friend each other at conferences and on social media and such, so this would severely hinder my ability to procure another nursing position. Don't do anything that causes the questioning of your integrity. It's really career suicide. Sure people get away with it and much worse, but people can and will find things out. It will follow you, and plus it will disturb your own happiness and peace.

 

[METTA WORLD PEACE]

As this is an anonymous forum, it might be helpful to share any other possible inconsistencies to determine whether other issues may arise in the future, and to best inform your next steps. There is a wealth of knowledge here, and if done right, you could use it to your advantage, I mean.

Really? So people can attack and criticize me even more?

I made this thread because I wanted advice on my situation. Instead, most of the people on here assume I'm a criminal who should never be a doctor.

 

[NonTrad16]

False claims?? Excuse me??

Everything about my volunteering experience at the ER was spot on (name of the place, location, dates volunteered), just not the hours which I bumped up a bit.

I didn't make any false claims on my application. Like I said, I added a few hours here and there. What's your point?

Since there's a poor consensus on what's lying and what's not, I'm curious what else you added. Your ER experience was 100 -> 250 hours. What else did you bump and by how much?

And again, I don't think you're an awful person, or that you would make a bad doctor based on this. I do hope you don't take the spot from someone more honest and deserving with otherwise similar qualifications.

 

[Spinach Dip]

At our hospital, 500 hrs/yr gets you a $7 card in the cafeteria (on your birthday). Never mind that everything in there starts at $10...

WOW! SIGN ME UP!!

 

[Promethean]

People who have faulty moral compasses can't believe that other folks actually abide by their ethics. Like they literally can't imagine that someone would do the right thing in a given situation, without some kind of supervision or risk of being caught.

There actually are people, quite a lot of them, who couldn't do what OP did and be happy with themselves.

The reason that I think that people who think that way are dangerous and would be terrible doctors is that, if they are willing to lie or "exaggerate" when the stakes are so relatively low, what will they do when under real pressure? When they have made a mistake in caring for a patient, will they admit it, knowing that might cause them to get fired or sued?

I do think that this is a sign of moral immaturity rather than that OP is just an inherently bad person. That is, I think there is hope of growing out of this kind of thinking. I don't think that maturing is going to happen while in medical school.

 

[jl lin]

I'm betting that if pressed I could adequately convince a panel that I've received 600 hours of classical ballet training. Twirl, air splits, deny that I just tore my groin, home free.

Seriously, I have >900 hours of classical ballet and other dance. Never thought of using that though. I have pictures, trophies, and medals. I think my parents' cancelled checks are long gone though.

 

[jl lin]

False claims?? Excuse me??

Everything about my volunteering experience at the ER was spot on (name of the place, location, dates volunteered), just not the hours which I bumped up a bit.

I didn't make any false claims on my application. Like I said, I added a few hours here and there. What's your point?

Why did you bump up the hours? Were you trying to give your best estimation but couldn't quite remember? I mean that would be understandable, but people have to have others that would corroborate the hours. There is no way you could find someone to do this there? I am trying to give you the benefit of any doubt. Maybe you haven't tried hard enough in finding someone who could gladly support your estimate, if it is indeed close enough for jazz, so to speak?

If this is true, this is a good lesson for everyone. Make sure you can verify and fully validate everything. I know it is painstaking to cross all your "t's" and dot all your "i's," but how are schools supposed to know if there is nothing to demonstrate validation of activities and such? Put yourself in their shoes.

 

[METTA WORLD PEACE]

People who have faulty moral compasses can't believe that other folks actually abide by their ethics. Like they literally can't imagine that someone would do the right thing in a given situation, without some kind of supervision or risk of being caught.

There actually are people, quite a lot of them, who couldn't do what OP did and be happy with themselves.

The reason that I think that people who think that way are dangerous and would be terrible doctors is that, if they are willing to lie or "exaggerate" when the stakes are so relatively low, what will they do when under real pressure? When they have made a mistake in caring for a patient, will they admit it, knowing that might cause them to get fired or sued?

I do think that this is a sign of moral immaturity rather than that OP is just an inherently bad person. That is, I think there is hope of growing out of this kind of thinking. I don't think that maturing is going to happen while in medical school.

If I become a doctor in the future, trust me, the fact that I fudged on my volunteer hours won't keep me up at night. If I falsified something like GPA/MCAT/degrees then yes. Perhaps I'm in the minority.

 

[el_duderino]

If I become a doctor in the future

That might be a pretty big if.

Fact is that you have displayed significantly unethical behavior and refuse to take responsibility for it or even entertain the idea that others don't behave in the same deplorable fashion. You should be rethinking your own moral compass right now.

 

[Promethean]

Really? So people can attack and criticize me even more?

I made this thread because I wanted advice on my situation. Instead, most of the people on here assume I'm a criminal who should never be a doctor.

People gave you advice on your situation.

Withdraw your app and hope that you haven't ruined your chances for good. Even if you withdraw, if the school tells AMCAS they thought something was fishy with your application, it might cause you problems applying in the future.

Learn from this that even if you don't see a problem with what you did, it is against the rules, and the majority of your colleagues will judge you harshly for it. Even if you think it shouldn't be a big deal, it absolutely is a big deal to others in the profession you want to enter. You at least need to acknowledge the standards that others will hold you to, even if you believe them to be too high.

 

[METTA WORLD PEACE]

Why did you bump up the hours? Were you trying to give your best estimation but couldn't quite remember. I mean that would be understandable, but people have to have other that would corroborate the hours. There is no way you could find someone to do this there? I am trying to give you the benefit of any doubt. Maybe you haven't tried hard enough in finding someone who could gladly support your estimate, if it is indeed close enough for jazz, so to speak?

If this is true, this is a good lesson for everyone. Make sure you can verify and fully validate everything. I know it is painstaking to cross all your "t's" and dot all your "i's," but how are schools supposed to know if there is nothing to demonstrate validation of activities and such? Put yourself in their shoes.

No. I intentionally bumped them up.

Volunteering as a premed is such B.S. anyway. We all do it for one reason: to get into med school. That's it.

 

[METTA WORLD PEACE]

That might be a pretty big if.

Fact is that you have displayed significantly unethical behavior and refuse to take responsibility for it or even entertain the idea that others don't behave in the same deplorable fashion. You should be rethinking your own moral compass right now.

And once again, thanks for the holier than thou attitude

 

[jl lin]

People who have faulty moral compasses can't believe that other folks actually abide by their ethics. Like they literally can't imagine that someone would do the right thing in a given situation, without some kind of supervision or risk of being caught.

There actually are people, quite a lot of them, who couldn't do what OP did and be happy with themselves.

The reason that I think that people who think that way are dangerous and would be terrible doctors is that, if they are willing to lie or "exaggerate" when the stakes are so relatively low, what will they do when under real pressure? When they have made a mistake in caring for a patient, will they admit it, knowing that might cause them to get fired or sued?

I do think that this is a sign of moral immaturity rather than that OP is just an inherently bad person. That is, I think there is hope of growing out of this kind of thinking. I don't think that maturing is going to happen while in medical school.

I hear you, but I would now wait to know if the OP was just estimating, b/c the hours were close, but he nor anyone else there did not keep close account. I mean someone there has to be able to look at a calendar and look at trended hours in order to make at least a close estimate to his. I don't know. Neither does the school; hence the inquiry. Just a good example of what not to do, if indeed he was just estimating without validation from someone is some official position there. If so, it's a shame, but he should do his best to get his hours clarified/validated if he is to use this ED again. I mean if he put the time in and it was a valid experience, someone has to be willing to vouch for him, right?

 

[ImmunoLove]

Really? So people can attack and criticize me even more?

I made this thread because I wanted advice on my situation. Instead, most of the people on here assume I'm a criminal who should never be a doctor.

Well, you're new to SDN, and the truth is SDN can be a little intense (probably because it's an anonymous forum full of anxiety riddled med school hopefuls). Don't worry so much about the judgment part: I mean, don't let that dissuade you from using this as a resource. At the end of the day, you do have a dilemma, one which is potentially very serious, and you should seriously take this opportunity to come up with strategies. Your future might be at stake here. If you've applied, then you have spent several years in this pursuit, so how this goes down matters to you. Grow some thick skin, don't take the attacks/commentary personally (but do take it to heart and realize why people feel the way they do), and let's use our brains to help you with this.

Listen, I don't know you, I do think what you did was wrong, but I don't have all the facts and I'm not going to judge you as a person. You screwed up. We've all been there. Let's see if we can fix it. There's an important lesson here, much more than petty judgement and I hope it changes the way you approach things in the future. And I think it can. Who you are in society affects all of us, and if you can improve through this, then we've done something good here. Forget the criticisms. Let's do this. I've got your back. I'm sure others will follow.

 

[el_duderino]

And once again, thanks for the holier than thou attitude

You're welcome.

Is there any chance it'll actually sink in, and you'll reevaluate your values and start behaving ethically and taking responsibility for your actions? Or will you continue to insist on acting like a child and refusing to admit fault?

The target audience for my posts isn't really you, because it's clear you will refuse to listen. It's everyone else.

 

[el_duderino]

Really? So people can attack and criticize me even more?

I made this thread because I wanted advice on my situation. Instead, most of the people on here assume I'm a criminal who should never be a doctor.

Real advice: withdraw your application in its entirety this year, and be honest on your application next year.

 

[METTA WORLD PEACE]

You're welcome.

Is there any chance it'll actually sink in, and you'll reevaluate your values and start behaving ethically and taking responsibility for your actions? Or will you continue to insist on acting like a child and refusing to admit fault?

The target audience for my posts isn't really you, because it's clear you will refuse to listen. It's everyone else.

Ok great. "Everyone else" I'm sure appreciates your $0.02

 

[jl lin]

No. I intentionally bumped them up.

Volunteering as a premed is such B.S. anyway. We all do it for one reason: to get into med school. That's it.

Alright, but you can turn this around and be the better person now. First thing, you are being honest that you stated you intentionally bumped them up. OK. Now, go ahead and evaluate if it was truly the ethical thing to do. Hopefully you will come to that. After that, go to the place where you put in those EC hours and find some official person that will help you reasonably estimate your volunteer hours and will validate those hours. It is only then that I would use this as an EC.

Hoping the best for you, and with that, Good day.

 

[METTA WORLD PEACE]

Alright, but you can turn this around and be the better person now. First thing, you are being honest that you stated you intentionally bumped them up. OK. Now, go ahead and evaluate if it was truly the ethical thing to do. Hopefully you will come to that. After that, go to the place where you put in those EC hours and find some official person that will help you reasonably estimate your volunteer hours and will validate those hours. It is only then that I would use this as an EC.

Hoping the best for you, and with that, Good day.

Look I'll admit it was a stupid thing to do. I'm just annoyed with everyone on here claiming to be nothing less than 100% honest on their applications

 

[phuynh94]

I don't know what advice you were expecting. Your audience comprises of premeds (who you competing for a seat and sure as hell wouldn't help you), med students, and adcoms (both of whom are likely to be strict about these ethical issues). You either provide the requested documentation; or don't, withdraw, and hope that your future attempts won't be affected. Honestly, at this point, it's really out of your hands.

Fact: I have a distant family member who falsified her hours. In fact, the ADCOM at one of the school contacted one of her references to verify them, learned that those hours were grossly exaggerated, and proceeded to call her and told her that she was being reported to AAMC for further review. (Mind you, this happened years ago; I don't know if the process is the same now.) She ended up have to apply to Caribbean schools after 3 failed cycles (guess why). In the end, she graduated, matched, and is practicing in the US. Is it possible? Sure, but it makes life unnecessarily complicated.

 

[Promethean]

Ok great. "Everyone else" I'm sure appreciates your $0.02

You know, people years from now will still have access to this thread. Many more people read SDN than post on it. What makes forums like this so valuable is that for every person who starts a thread, a dozen others will have a similar situation and be able to refer to what has already been shared, rather than having to spill their own details.

Like @jonnythan , I am not really addressing just you. I am always writing for the benefit also of those who will stumble on it later.

 

[el_duderino]

Look I'll admit it was a stupid thing to do. I'm just annoyed with everyone on here claiming to be nothing less than 100% honest on their applications

Why? Do you really believe we weren't honest, and that we also lied about things?

 

[nolookpass]

I don't know what advice you were expecting. Your audience comprises of premeds (who you competing for a seat and sure as hell wouldn't help you), med students, and adcoms (both of whom are likely to be strict about these ethical issues). You either provide the requested documentation; or don't, withdraw, and hope that your future attempts won't be affected. Honestly, at this point, it's really out of your hands.

Fact: I have a distant family member who falsified her hours. In fact, the ADCOM at one of the school contacted one of her references to verify them, learned that those hours were grossly exaggerated, and proceeded to call her and told her that she was being reported to AAMC for further review. (Mind you, this happened years ago; I don't know if the process is the same now.) She ended up have to apply to Caribbean schools after 3 failed cycles (guess why). In the end, she graduated, matched, and is practicing in the US. Is it possible? Sure, but it makes life unnecessarily complicated.

What made the school contact her references? What was the red flag? There's thousands of applications so why did the school do an investigation on her specifically? Was it just random screening and she got unlucky or was there something odd about what she wrote?

 

[Promethean]

Look I'll admit it was a stupid thing to do. I'm just annoyed with everyone on here claiming to be nothing less than 100% honest on their applications

There is an enormous pool of people who use this site. The ones who are most likely to take the most offense to what you did are those of us who were 100% honest. That is because we were also faced with the same opportunity to "exaggerate," but we restrained ourselves for one reason or another. For some, it was that they were too afraid of getting caught. Others just wouldn't have felt good about it, even if they were sure they could get away with it.

Of course you aren't hearing much from the people who also "bend the rules." Of course they are out there. But just because you decided to stretch the truth doesn't mean that everyone else would.

 

[Terry Toma]

Look I'll admit it was a stupid thing to do. I'm just annoyed with everyone on here claiming to be nothing less than 100% honest on their applications

You're like the guy who gets blackout drunk 5 nights per week and then insists that they aren't an alcoholic because "everyone gets wasted in college." No, not everyone does. And the fact that some other people do has no bearing on whether or not you should.

Yes, many people are 100% honest on their applications. If some aren't, that doesn't have any relevance to your situation. Lots of people do lots of dishonest things. That's not a justification for other people to follow suit.

 

[Promethean]

Why? Do you really believe we weren't honest, and that we also lied about things?

What is sad is that I think that yes, OP really believes that everyone else does it, and that it makes it okay, even expected. S/He still doesn't think it was wrong, "wouldn't lose any sleep over it," and is just upset at having been caught. If s/he hadn't been caught, s/he would have filed it away as a successful tactic, something worth repeating maybe, on residency applications.

OP doesn't get how upsetting that is to those of us who do think that absolute honesty is a trait that one should be able to expect from physicians.

 

[ImmunoLove]

Why? Do you really believe we weren't honest, and that we also lied about things?

Well, I think OP figured it happens more often than not (and it does happen, but I'm not sure with what frequency), but also the thread did put OP in a defensive position, and that's not conducive to an open convo/advice thread.

 

[ChrisMack390]

False claims?? Excuse me??

Everything about my volunteering experience at the ER was spot on (name of the place, location, dates volunteered), just not the hours which I bumped up a bit.

I didn't make any false claims on my application. Like I said, I added a few hours here and there. What's your point?

You are a liar and a delusional one at that. I hope no patients ever have the misfortune to be under your care.

 

[ImmunoLove]

What is sad is that I think that yes, OP really believes that everyone else does it, and that it makes it okay, even expected. S/He still doesn't think it was wrong, "wouldn't lose any sleep over it," and is just upset at having been caught. If s/he hadn't been caught, s/he would have filed it away as a successful tactic, something worth repeating maybe, on residency applications.

OP doesn't get how upsetting that is to those of us who do think that absolute honesty is a trait that one should be able to expect from physicians.

I agree with you (that most of us don't lie, and are upset by lying). I also think that it's perhaps for the best this came to light now (so that OP doesn't think it's ok in the future to repeat something like this). That said, I suspect the "lack of remorse" might be partly the nature of putting someone in a defensive position, where they are not open to understanding what the problems are...

 

[el_duderino]

You are a liar and a delusional one at that. I hope no patients ever have the misfortune to be under your care.

Everything was true! Except for the lies.

 

[ImmunoLove]

Ok, let's stop with the criticisms and focus of some strategic planning. It is what it is, we all think it was wrong, and OP will understand the gravity of their actions with some time. So, chime in for brainstorming...

 

[Promethean]

I agree with you (that most of us don't lie, and are upset by lying). I also think that it's perhaps for the best this came to light now (so that OP doesn't think it's ok in the future to repeat something like this). That said, I suspect the "lack of remorse" might be partly the nature of putting someone in a defensive position, where they are not open to understanding what the problems are...

I hear you. I respect the approach you have to it, how you are trying to leave a door open for OP to come in out of the cold. And I do think that is possible.

But an important step toward that would be to acknowledge that there was actually something wrong with what s/he did. So far, s/he has just said that it was stupid, and I think that is only because s/he was caught.

I understand being defensive when cornered. I hope that at some point in the future, OP can look back on this and hear that even those of us who are critical of the actions s/he took, still hoped that s/he would learn from it and do better next time.

 

[ChrisMack390]

Ok, let's stop with the criticisms and focus of some strategic planning. It is what it is, we all think it was wrong, and OP will understand the gravity of their actions with some time. So, chime in for brainstorming...

Why? I don't want to help this guy. He might end up in my class...

 

[METTA WORLD PEACE]

You are a liar and a delusional one at that. I hope no patients ever have the misfortune to be under your care.

Wow. Really constructive. Thanks!

 

[ChrisMack390]

Wow. Really constructive. Thanks!

Sorry you were unable to co-opt this board full of pre-meds, med students, and physicians to help you scam your way into medical school. Don't wait up to hear our violins.

 

[ImmunoLove]

I hear you. I respect the approach you have to it, how you are trying to leave a door open for OP to come in out of the cold. And I do think that is possible.

But an important step toward that would be to acknowledge that there was actually something wrong with what s/he did. So far, s/he has just said that it was stupid, and I think that is only because s/he was caught.

I understand being defensive when cornered. I hope that at some point in the future, OP can look back on this and hear that even those of us who are critical of the actions s/he took, still hoped that s/he would learn from it and do better next time.

In my experience, I've found acceptance leads to acceptance. That is, if we let OP in from the cold, s/he will "see the light", if you will. Our (justified) attacks only antagonize and prevent any possibility for OP to see the error of their ways. If we want OP to understand, we have to first understand, and then HELP them understand... I'd argue that it's not just an important step that OP acknowledges, but that it's the end goal that OP really sees the ramifications of their actions, and changes on a more fundamental level. I just don't think we can get there the way we are approaching the situation. I understand why we are approaching OP that way (I'm an applicant too, it's been a tough, crappy road, I'm honest and have suffered because of it, but I do sleep well at night), but when I take a moment and look at the whole situation, my throwing judgment in OPs face does not help OP understand or grow. In order for OP to acknowledge, OP must be open to acknowledging, and that starts with how we proceed with the conversation. And really, that's what I care about.

 

[ImmunoLove]

Why? I don't want to help this guy. He might end up in my class...

Then don't help him and move on...But in the real world, people do screwed up things a lot, and a lot of those people will be your colleagues and patients. How you address this situation is not so different than how you address the former.

 

[ChrisMack390]

Then don't help him and move on...But in the real world, people do screwed up things a lot, and a lot of those people will be your colleagues and patients. How you address this situation is not so different than how you address the former.

I certainly won't address it by aiding and abetting said screwed up things.

"Hey fellow doc you were totally negligent and killed that patient....let's brainstorm how you can get out of it scott free with no one ever knowing!"

 

[Promethean]

Ok, let's stop with the criticisms and focus of some strategic planning. It is what it is, we all think it was wrong, and OP will understand the gravity of their actions with some time. So, chime in for brainstorming...

Options:

1) Double down and try to get away with it. Risk getting a red flag for future applications.
2) Withdraw the application from 1 school. Hope they don't report to AMCAS.
3) Withdraw applications from all schools, better luck next year.
...
4) Apply DO and be honest on your app. AMCAS and AACOMAS don't share applicant data, yet. (Please, don't. I really hate when people use DO as a second tier when they have messed up their MD chances.*)

*Edit: Okay... I get that a lot of people do that. What bothers me about it is when they then bash the schools that gave them the acceptance and osteopathic medicine in general. If you come over to DO side, at least be considerate of those of us for whom it is a first choice.