I want to become a DO

[Taus]

It may be something that is difficult in the state I reside in, as I shadowed 1 DO physician and spoke with another, and both made the statements that OMM is difficult to bill for, which is why they do not do it. In addition to the time consuming aspects of it. They also probably were not even into it while in med school and may have pursued DO school as a means to an end -- being a physician.

fair enough....but just fyi all of the major insurance companies (including medicare/caid) pay for it around here...you've just gotta know the proper billing codes which I imagine is not that difficult of a thing to do....but of course I'm only an M2 and have to rely on "what I have heard" from the docs around here

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[Dr.Inviz]

there's not really a different philosophy....theres good docs and bad docs who hold either degree.... realize that you're mostly dealing w/ posters who haven't begun med school yet and most of their knowledge of the "philosophy" is what they have read on the AOA site....

You have proven my point. Case. End Point. Gracias.

 

[MountainEM]

Funny I feel the same way about you, and so do a lot of other people. BTW, thank you....coming from you, I think it's a compliment.

oh no you and your internet clique think that? Boo hoo. Dude- just chill out on insulting people for exploring their options in this process regardless of their motives. You are way to hyped up and critical. You also may want to get off the computer and move your fat ass

dave

 

[Dr.Inviz]

oh no you and your internet clique think that? Boo hoo. Dude- just chill out on insulting people for exploring their options in this process regardless of their motives. You are way to hyped up and critical. You also may want to get off the computer and move your fat ass

dave

You are way too naive. Please, don't post anymore. It truly has no meaning behind anything relevant to our discussion. Your kumbaya crap is old and weak. Try it somewhere else.

 

[Taus]

Thank you, you took the words out of my mouth. Why is it so hard for people to realize that I'm not bashing DOs per se, and see that I'm calling bull**** on all the crap that preosteos spew in order to make themselves feel better. You'll notice I do the same thing to anyone on this forum who is deluding themselves. Lying at an interview about why you want to go there is one thing, doing it on here where it doesn't help you in any way is a whole other.

the deal w/ the philosophy is this....as put to us by the head of our OMM dept on the first day of M1 (in as best of a quick summary as I can remember after almost 2 years..)

there isn't necessarily a difference in philosophy...as what we say is basically just plain, common sense that any good doc should follow....the difference is that all DO schools come out and "state" that those are our tenets.....no where does it ever state that the philosophy is unique to DO's only and that MD schools don't follow it .....they sure as hell may follow it and most MD schools probably do....they just don't "define" their philosophy in such a standardized way....

I'm obviously not the most eloquent writer around...but I hope you get the point...

 

[spicedmanna]

Let me edit that a little......"If Andrew Still had lived in a time where you had to prove that what you say works actually does, would competition for PA school be even more competitive?"

Har Har. You know exactly what I was talking about. I never met the man and so don't give a damn about him. However, I am appreciating the fact that people can actually look beyond their traditional training and examine things from a slightly different angle. I'm making no judgments about the efficacy of said angle, only that it's good to do so and often results in innovation within the context of a given time period and perhaps beyond.

 

[DropkickMurphy]

You are way to hyped up and critical. You also may want to get off the computer and move your fat ass

I've been accused of many things....being fat is not one of them. In fact, you're probably obese compared to me.....nice way to not make assumptions.

 

[DropkickMurphy]

the deal w/ the philosophy is this....as put to us by the head of our OMM dept on the first day of M1 (in as best of a quick summary as I can remember after almost 2 years..)

there isn't necessarily a difference in philosophy...as what we say is basically just plain, common sense that any good doc should follow....the difference is that all DO schools come out and "state" that those are our tenets.....no where does it ever state that the philosophy is unique to DO's only and that MD schools don't follow it .....they sure as hell may follow it and most MD schools probably do....they just don't "define" their philosophy in such a standardized way....

I'm obviously not the most eloquent writer around...but I hope you get the point...

Actually that's far more eloquent than anything I've heard in a while on the subject. And you didn't make any assumptions about my body habitus, so I give your post

 

[Dr.Inviz]

the deal w/ the philosophy is this....as put to us by the head of our OMM dept on the first day of M1 (in as best of a quick summary as I can remember after almost 2 years..)

there isn't necessarily a difference in philosophy...as what we say is basically just plain, common sense that any good doc should follow....the difference is that all DO schools come out and "state" that those are our tenets.....no where does it ever state that the philosophy is unique to DO's only and that MD schools don't follow it .....they sure as hell may follow it and most MD schools probably do....they just don't "define" their philosophy in such a standardized way....

I'm obviously not the most eloquent writer around...but I hope you get the point...

I agree with DKM, it is definitely not sugar-coated and states merely fact. Damn, these pre-osteos sure do need a good reality wake-up call. Hopefully they get it when they matriculate, if a majority of them ever will!

 

[DragonWell]

the deal w/ the philosophy is this....as put to us by the head of our OMM dept on the first day of M1 (in as best of a quick summary as I can remember after almost 2 years..)

there isn't necessarily a difference in philosophy...as what we say is basically just plain, common sense that any good doc should follow....the difference is that all DO schools come out and "state" that those are our tenets.....no where does it ever state that the philosophy is unique to DO's only and that MD schools don't follow it .....they sure as hell may follow it and most MD schools probably do....they just don't "define" their philosophy in such a standardized way....

I'm obviously not the most eloquent writer around...but I hope you get the point...

I'd agree with this. Any doc, DO or MD, can ascribe to a philosophy of pratice or way of looking at the body and health/disease. The difference in DO is that it is a lot easier to find said philosophy in print and we have to regurgitate it on some tests. How many docs actually take it to heart is impossible to say...but it's definitely less than the AOA seems to think.

 

[DropkickMurphy]

a well that contains relatively dense water

Like this?

 

[DragonWell]

Like this?

Exactly !

 

[spicedmanna]

I don't make the claim that there is a different practice of medicine. Medicine is medicine. I already stated that for the record. But there are different schools of tradition which package skills, beliefs and techniques differently. What is so wrong about liking the entire package that DO schools offer, even in light of my acknowledgement of my so-called "statistical flaws"? It's the overall package and it works for me.

Let's use another martial arts analogy. I am a 2nd degree blackbelt in Taekwon-Do. I don't pretend that I have a blackbelt in Karate, okay? People with blackbelts in either are both skilled martial artists, however. Effective fighting is effective fighting; it knows no style. One can say that these martial arts are really just forms of the same thing, with different emphasis and packaging. They have common roots and both are based on how the body mechanically works. That is, there are no real significant differences between these two styles, just personal preferences and perhaps different emphasis. Neither of these styles represent the gospel truth. As a martial artist, I'm not going to limit myself to tradition or schools of "thought"; I'm going to do what works, okay? But I've got to choose one school as my foundation of knowledge. I might as well choose the one that I align with the most in as many aspects as possible.

 

[cutievans]

k so just curious, inviz and dkm, what did u say when the schools asked u why DO?

 

[DropkickMurphy]

k so just curious, inviz and dkm, what did u say when the schools asked u why DO?

I'm not applying this cycle but my plan is to say simply that I want to be a physician and simply applied to those schools I could see myself attending regardless of which degree they offered.

 

[DropkickMurphy]

I am a 2nd degree blackbelt in Taekwon-Do.

Note to self: don't challenge SpicedManna to a fight.

 

[Taus]

I'm not applying this cycle but my plan is to say simply that I want to be a physician and simply applied to those schools I could see myself attending regardless of which degree they offered.

you mean you don't wanna be a rural FP/OMT specialist DKM?

seriously though....you can definitely avoid lying by just talking about the experiences you have had working w/ osteopathic physicians...

 

[Dr.Inviz]

k so just curious, inviz and dkm, what did u say when the schools asked u why DO?

He isn't applying this year.

I was never asked, "why DO?"

I was always asked, "why medicine?"

Apparently, DO schools get the idea that the "philosophy" isn't really any different than is what is seen in other MD schools. Often times, it is not about what has to be spelled-out, but the way you do things that matter most. MD schools don't spell this out for a reason, it's implied as part of the healthcare field and the study of medicine. OMM is just some extra that AT Still happened to "develop" because of the occurrences in his time, it is not a philosophy and DO's aren't the only ones to look at the patient "holistically."

 

[Dr.Inviz]

you mean you don't wanna be a rural FP/OMT specialist DKM?

seriously though....you can definitely avoid lying by just talking about the experiences you have had working w/ osteopathic physicians...

I don't think there is any need to lie if you mention your reasons for wanting to become a physician. Is DO not equal to doctor? I thought DOs were doctors afterall ...

 

[Dr.Inviz]

I'm not applying this cycle but my plan is to say simply that I want to be a physician and simply applied to those schools I could see myself attending regardless of which degree they offered.

I'd leave that part out

There isn't even a need to bring up MD or DO at interviews unless asked. I have never been asked about either.

 

[Dr.Inviz]

I don't make the claim that there is a different practice of medicine. Medicine is medicine. I already stated that for the record. But there are different schools of tradition which package skills, beliefs and techniques differently. What is so wrong about liking the entire package that DO schools offer, even in light of my acknowledgement of my so-called "statistical flaws"? It's the overall package and it works for me.

Let's use another martial arts analogy. I am a 2nd degree blackbelt in Taekwon-Do. I don't pretend that I have a blackbelt in Karate, okay? People with blackbelts in either are both skilled martial artists, however. Effective fighting is effective fighting; it knows no style. One can say that these martial arts are really just forms of the same thing, with different emphasis and packaging. They have common roots and both are based on how the body mechanically works. That is, there are no real significant differences between these two styles, just personal preferences and perhaps different emphasis. Neither of these styles represent the gospel truth. As a martial artist, I'm not going to limit myself to tradition or schools of "thought"; I'm going to do what works, okay? But I've got to choose one school as my foundation of knowledge. I might as well choose the one that I align with the most in as many aspects as possible.

Damn, I was a dark green in taekwondo. Too bad I'd be no match for you ... glad you're not going to my schools of choice

Again though, nothing wrong about liking the package DO schools provide, but it is stupid to say you only like DO because of OMM and their "philosophy," especially when there are OTHER reasons for you pursuing DO, such as stats ...

 

[spicedmanna]

Note to self: don't challenge SpicedManna to a fight.

Boy, we've really taken this thread on a ride, haven't we?

 

[Dr__Robert]

Alright... I've cut through a lot of the childish, rambling, incoherent bickering on this thread... and now you're going to read what I believe (and I say this as a person who applied to MD and DO schools, got into niether, and I am now looking to do a SMP to get into MD schools in 2008):

The majority of people who go to D.O. schools also applied to MD Schools, but did not get in. This is because it is much, much harder (going by personal statistics -- gpa/mcat) to get into an MD program than a DO program. For example...
the 28 MCAT/ 3.57 gpa stat for MSU was called roughly equivalant to a middle of the road MD school. That's not true, the average MCAT of a matriculat at all MD schools is a 30.4. A 28 MCAT average is basically the bottum rungs of MD programs (and yes, there is a huge statistical gap between a 28.0 and a 30.4). Furthermore, MSU is pretty much the statistically toughest DO program in the nation.

In the end, many people who are rejected from MD programs, but accepted by DO programs will go there because they want to be a physician, and they don't care about the degree that it takes to get them there.

As a result of these two phenomena the DO degree is less respected than the MD degree... nonetheless DO graduates can get the exact same jobs, with the exact same pay as MD graduates. Let me say that again, stressing the operative word... DO graduates can get the exact same jobs, with the exact same pay as MD graduates

The road to a competitive position is much, much harder, and much more rarely travelled by the DO graduate. The majority of DO graduates are in primary care partially because of this.

Still -- there are those rare (lets be honest DO folks... this is rare) cases where a person will turn down an MD acceptance for a DO program. Therefore there must be some perceived advantage to a DO degree vs. an MD degree... even if this perception is by a minority of people.

So what are the bottom lines here?
If you have stats that aren't the greatest -- you can go to a D.O. school, excel, work hard, and have the same opportunities as an MD graduate.
But this road will be harder, as the respect for the DO is less than the respect for the MD.

MD schools are more competitive, and most people would therefore agree that the MD training is superior to the DO training (as most people assume [and justly] that harvard is more rigorous in educational training than bowling green state university).

Still, the DO programs offer some advantages, and train capable physicians.

Of course, that's just my opinion... I could be wrong. (Dennis Miller style rant)

 

[spicedmanna]

Again though, nothing wrong about liking the package DO schools provide, but it is stupid to say you only like DO because of OMM and their "philosophy," especially when there are OTHER reasons for you pursuing DO, such as stats ...

I agree that being honest with yourself is the best choice. That way, you can avoid being overly-bitter and miserable as you take the DO train to becoming a physician.

There are lots of elements that motivate me to choose DO. And, yes, I'm looking to go to the best school possible in light of my stats. There's no argument from me there.

 

[Dr.Inviz]

Alright... I've cut through a lot of the childish, rambling, incoherent bickering on this thread... and now you're going to read what I believe (and I say this as a person who applied to MD and DO schools, got into niether, and I am now looking to do a SMP to get into MD schools in 2008):

The majority of people who go to D.O. schools also applied to MD Schools, but did not get in. This is because it is much, much harder (going by personal statistics -- gpa/mcat) to get into an MD program than a DO program. For example...
the 28 MCAT/ 3.57 gpa stat for MSU was called roughly equivalant to a middle of the road MD school. That's not true, the average MCAT of a matriculat at all MD schools is a 30.4. A 28 MCAT average is basically the bottum rungs of MD programs (and yes, there is a huge statistical gap between a 28.0 and a 30.4). Furthermore, MSU is pretty much the statistically toughest DO program in the nation.

In the end, many people who are rejected from MD programs, but accepted by DO programs will go there because they want to be a physician, and they don't care about the degree that it takes to get them there.

As a result of these two phenomena the DO degree is less respected than the MD degree... nonetheless DO graduates can get the exact same jobs, with the exact same pay as MD graduates. Let me say that again, stressing the operative word... DO graduates can get the exact same jobs, with the exact same pay as MD graduates

The road to a competitive position is much, much harder, and much more rarely travelled by the DO graduate. The majority of DO graduates are in primary care partially because of this.

Still -- there are those rare (lets be honest DO folks... this is rare) cases where a person will turn down an MD acceptance for a DO program. Therefore there must be some perceived advantage to a DO degree vs. an MD degree... even if this perception is by a minority of people.

So what are the bottom lines here?
If you have stats that aren't the greatest -- you can go to a D.O. school, excel, work hard, and have the same opportunities as an MD graduate.
But this road will be harder, as the respect for the DO is less than the respect for the MD.

MD schools are more competitive, and most people would therefore agree that the MD training is superior to the DO training (as most people assume [and justly] that harvard is more rigorous in educational training than bowling green state university).

Still, the DO programs offer some advantages, and train capable physicians.

Of course, that's just my opinion... I could be wrong. (Dennis Miller style rant)

I don't agree with this statement. With a 28, an applicant can get into their instate public allo school, especially in the South. It is tough, but plenty get in with a 28. It all depends on where you live and how your instate school policies are in terms of the ratio of IS:OOS students accepted.

 

[Dr.Inviz]

I agree that being honest with yourself is the best choice. That way, you can avoid being overly-bitter and miserable as you take the DO train to becoming a physician.

There are lots of elements that motivate me to choose DO. And, yes, I'm looking to go to the best school possible in light of my stats. There's no argument from me there.

Thank you. Another Case. End. Point. Damn, where are all the disillusioned pre-osteos around here?? Apparently, falling like flies ...

Can't wait for the responses tomorrow! They endless naivety never ceases to amaze me .

 

[Taus]

eh...I say whatever w/ the stat stuff.....PCOM has the rep it has and puts out one of the highest rates of specialized docs in the country (of MD and DO) and has an avg MCAT around 25... I guess if there is one thing I have learned in my 3 years or so on SDN...its that pre-meds will always bring the conversation back to stats....and one thing you figure out during med school is that once you get over the hump of having "good enough" stats to get by......the rest of your ability and rep as a doc comes from other, non-numerical and non-multiple-choice-testable factors....

 

[Dr__Robert]

I don't agree with this statement. With a 28, an applicant can get into their instate public allo school, especially in the South. It is tough, but plenty get in with a 28. It all depends on where you live and how your instate school policies are in terms of the ratio of IS:OOS students accepted.

Here's the deal with that... we're looking at averages.

There are something like 128 MD schools located in the U.S. [not carribean schools, but yes puerto rico] (that's a number that popped into my head... it might not be the actual correct number... I'm not sure -- but for the purposes of the rest of this post I will assume 128 is the correct number.)

If you rank the US MD programs by MCAT from 1 to 128 it would be something like...

1. Harvard: 34.5
2. Johns Hopkins 34.3
(I didn't look those numbers up... they aren't the real numbers... I don't care at 2:34 am.)
but by the time you get to 28.0 you're looking at something around #105 or so (my guess... not a fact, but I'm usually pretty good at these kind of numbers... you can look it up if you feel like it... maybe you'll even prove me wrong.)

I would say being 105 out of 128 is not good... I would call it bottom rungs. Maybe you disagree with my definitions.

 

[Dr.Inviz]

eh...I say whatever w/ the stat stuff.....PCOM has the rep it has and puts out one of the highest rates of specialized docs in the country (of MD and DO) and has an avg MCAT around 25... I guess if there is one thing I have learned in my 3 years or so on SDN...its that pre-meds will always bring the conversation back to stats....and one thing you figure out during med school is that once you get over the hump of having "good enough" stats to get by......the rest of your ability and rep as a doc comes from other, non-numerical and non-multiple-choice-testable factors....

 

[Dr.Inviz]

Here's the deal with that... we're looking at averages.

There are something like 128 MD schools located in the U.S. [not carribean schools, but yes puerto rico] (that's a number that popped into my head... it might not be the actual correct number... I'm not sure -- but for the purposes of the rest of this post I will assume 128 is the correct number.)

If you rank the US MD programs by MCAT from 1 to 128 it would be something like...

1. Harvard: 34.5
2. Johns Hopkins 34.3
(I didn't look those numbers up... they aren't the real numbers... I don't care at 2:34 am.)
but by the time you get to 28.0 you're looking at something around #105 or so (my guess... not a fact, but I'm usually pretty good at these kind of numbers... you can look it up if you feel like it... maybe you'll even prove me wrong.)

I would say being 105 out of 128 is not good... I would call it bottom rungs. Maybe you disagree with my definitions.

Let me know when UAB is ranked #105 ...

 

[Dr__Robert]

Let me know when UAB is ranked #105 ...

UAB's average MCAT is reported as 30.3 and P on the WS.

Thats significantly above a 28.0 average.

 

[Taus]

UAB's average MCAT is reported as 30.3 and P on the WS.

Thats significantly above a 28.0 average.

did you happen to read my last post?

 

[Dr.Inviz]

UAB's average MCAT is reported as 30.3 and P on the WS.

Thats significantly above a 28.0 average.

When did I say that the avg. MCAT of an MD school was a 28? I said that a 28 can get you into an MD school ... of course, you must have a good GPA and other stuff to fill your file with, as well. You made the claim that a 28 would not get you into any MD school besides the bottom-feeders ....

 

[Dr__Robert]

did you happen to read my last post?

Yes, but most people in the medical community would disagree with what you have said.

I also think most patients, were they more aware of these statistics than they probably are, would also disagree.

 

[Dr__Robert]

When did I say that the avg. MCAT of an MD school was a 28? I said that a 28 can get you into an MD school ... of course, you must have a good GPA and other stuff to fill your file with, as well. You made the claim that a 28 would not get you into any MD school besides the bottom-feeders ....

No, I said an entering class average of a 28 MCAT is a bottom runged MD program (bottom 15-20%.)

Please actually read what I type.

 

[Taus]

Yes, but most people in the medical community would disagree with what you have said.

I also think most patients, were they more aware of these statistics than they probably are, would also disagree.

well...being that everything you have done before med school means exactly jack-$hit the day you become an M1......that whole passing the boards and getting board certified thing is a little more important IMO...

most people are also not aware that the more research funding your med school gets the higher ranked you are....not that silly little thing about producing competant and caring physicians...

 

[Dr.Inviz]

No, I said an entering class average of a 28 MCAT is a bottom runged MD program (bottom 15-20%.)

Please actually read what I type.

There was NEVER a discussion about an MD school's CLASS AVG of 28, just that one may be able to get into an average med school (let me re-iterate, NOT ELITE) with a score of 28 ... yes, the average is 30-somethin, hell, they also accept 26's, as well ... *cough for all you URMs* ...

Honestly, there was no reason for you to make a single response ... it was utterly pointless, go back into the wood-works that you came from ...

Please read what I type, and follow it ... it's only for your own good.

 

[Dr__Robert]

well...being that everything you have done before med school means exactly jack-$hit the day you become an M1......that whole passing the boards and getting board certified thing is a little more important IMO...

Yes and no...
remember that the higher the avg. MCAT scores of a school, the higher the USMLE step one averages (statistics have confirmed this).
Furthermore, what school you go to influences both your residency options (partially based on the usmle averages, partially based on reputation) as well as your reputation as a physician.

You can disagree with the validity of these opinions... but please don't try to tell me they don't exist among the med community at large.

 

[Dr.Inviz]

Yes, but most people in the medical community would disagree with what you have said.

I also think most patients, were they more aware of these statistics than they probably are, would also disagree.

Honestly, the amount of PCP's a med school spits out doesn't even amount to the rankings as much, and please don't reference USNEW's PC Rankings ... you'll find DO schools ranked higher than MD schools ...

Duke, Hopkins, Harvard, Mayo sure aren't ranked highly for their PCP's ...

 

[Dr__Robert]

There was NEVER a discussion about an MD school's CLASS AVG of 28, just that one may be able to get into an average med school (let me re-iterate, NOT ELITE) with a score of 28

REALLY?!...

"Sure, it's also one of the most "prestigious" DO schools, along with PCOM. Those stats are also pretty comparable to middle of the road allo schools. I know that in my state school, I'd need a 3.7 and atleast a 28-30 to get in ..."
- Dr.Inviz today, 12:14am.

"For the record, I did very well on my MCAT, and the average stats at MSUCOM are 3.57 and 28 mcat... Pretty comparable to a lot of allo schools."
- WALKE219 yesterday, 5:44pm.

"Here's the deal with that... we're looking at averages."
-Me... about 25 minutes ago.

Don't lie to cover up your misunderstanding.

... yes, the average is 30-somethin, hell, they also accept 26's, as well ... *cough for all you URMs* ...

Honestly, there was no reason for you to make a single response ... it was utterly pointless, go back into the wood-works that you came from ...

Please read what I type, and follow it ... it's only for your own good.

I posted because I have an opinion that is as valid as the next person. Also, it was 2:30 am and I was bored, but not sleepy.

 

[Dr.Inviz]

REALLY?!...

"Sure, it's also one of the most "prestigious" DO schools, along with PCOM. Those stats are also pretty comparable to middle of the road allo schools. I know that in my state school, I'd need a 3.7 and atleast a 28-30 to get in ..."
- Dr.Inviz today, 12:14am.

"For the record, I did very well on my MCAT, and the average stats at MSUCOM are 3.57 and 28 mcat... Pretty comparable to a lot of allo schools."
- WALKE219 yesterday, 5:44pm.

"Here's the deal with that... we're looking at averages."
-Me... about 25 minutes ago.

Don't lie to cover up your misunderstanding.



I posted because I have an opinion that is as valid as the next person. Also, it was 2:30 am and I was bored, but not sleepy.

My definition of a middle of the road MD school is ANY med school that is not elite. There are several MD schools that are middle of the road (aka good, but not elite) .. and you can get in with a 28. Don't cover up your misunderstanding. 30 is the golden number for most MD schools, but 28 in most cases is good enough, as well.

 

[DocBR]

Don't leave me out. I love compliments, too

No one is jumping over anyone for going DO, just jumping on the disillusionment of the pre-osteos for their REASON for going DO, such as "only OMM" and "holistic philosophy" ... now that is truly naive and bullsh*t.

I do not prefer DO because of OMM, or holistic anything - if you truely wanted OMM, you could learn it as an MD (post-grad) and a "holistic approach" is a personal philosophy, not a credential based philosophy.

I can say though, between the 2 MD schools I have interviewed at and the 2 DO schools, I preferred the DO schools based on the faculty that I spoke with and the over-all feeling I got while I was there.

With that said, my application to DO schools was in part because of my disappointing MCAT score (29N). I knew I would probably be accepted to an MD program if not this cycle then next cycle, but I am not going to wait a year just for the M.D. after my name.

How is that for a reason?
(I am not asking for your validation of my potential choices because quite honestly, I dont care.)

 

[toothless rufus]

DO schools should just raise their stats to be comparable with MD schools. They are not too far off anyway. This would silence a lot of yapping.

If there is absolutely no difference in the two degrees, in terms of training or treatment modalities, (OMM aside: its kinda out of the equation anyways, apparently) then why even have two degrees?

 

[DocBR]

DO schools should just raise their stats to be comparable with MD schools. They are not too far off anyway. This would silence a lot of yapping.

If there is absolutely no difference in the two degrees, in terms of training or treatment modalities, (OMM aside: its kinda out of the equation anyways, apparently) then why even have two degrees?

I asked my doctor this. His response was that there are a bunch of traditional DOs that refuse to accept medicine is medicine and want to over-emphasize the differences between the two degrees. Unfortunately, he said, they all happen to the be the AOA leadership.

 

[DropkickMurphy]

I asked my doctor this. His response was that there are a bunch of traditional DOs that refuse to accept medicine is medicine and want to over-emphasize the differences between the two degrees. Unfortunately, he said, they all happen to the be the AOA leadership.

Bingo.

 

[Dr JPH]

k so just curious, inviz and dkm, what did u say when the schools asked u why DO?

Neither of them have even applied to medical school yet.

 

[Dr.Inviz]

Neither of them have even applied to medical school yet.

Wrong.

 

[Dr.Inviz]

I asked my doctor this. His response was that there are a bunch of traditional DOs that refuse to accept medicine is medicine and want to over-emphasize the differences between the two degrees. Unfortunately, he said, they all happen to the be the AOA leadership.

Hehe.

 

[Kuba]

there have been some stupid MD vs DO threads, but man, this one is probably the stupidest.

 

[Kuba]

I agree with DKM, it is definitely not sugar-coated and states merely fact. Damn, these pre-osteos sure do need a good reality wake-up call. Hopefully they get it when they matriculate, if a majority of them ever will!

I didn't realize you have matriculated (or even been accepted) at a med school already