IA... should I give up?

[atomi]

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DUI is premeditated in the fact you didn't have a plan to get yourself home if you knew you were going out. Also, being drunk impairs judgement, but even being impaired shouldn't impair your judgement to drive. I think that's more of an excuse than the reality of the situation.

So let me get this straight. If you are drunk, then your judgement is impaired for all things except for realizing your ability to drive -- that's the one part of your brain that is alcohol-proof, right?

Alcohol lowers inhibitions and makes you make bad choices. Unless you are a one-and-done guy, if you keep drinking eventually you will become impaired and do something stupid. That's the reality. Congratulations on being responsible though -- many people aren't and purposefully set out to get drunk. Hell, med school actually encouraged this with their end-of-preclinicals party where nearly everyone was ****faced after going there with that intention. But that's fine right -- the only way you can hurt yourself or anybody else while drunk is driving, right? Come on.

 

[Robin-jay]

So let me get this straight. If you are drunk, then your judgement is impaired for all things except for realizing your ability to drive -- that's the one part of your brain that is alcohol-proof, right?

You should probably not drink without a plan and get yourself in that situation in the first place. Killing someone because of poor planning is the main point.

Alcohol lowers inhibitions and makes you make bad choices. Unless you are a one-and-done guy, if you keep drinking eventually you will become impaired and do something stupid. That's the reality. Congratulations on being responsible though -- many people aren't and purposefully set out to get drunk. Hell, med school actually encouraged this with their end-of-preclinicals party where nearly everyone was ****faced after going there with that intention. But that's fine right -- the only way you can hurt yourself or anybody else while drunk is driving, right? Come on.

I'm not a violent drunk so I guess I've never felt the need to hurt someone after drinking. Drinking isn't an excuse for being violent or destructive in any way, because you chose to get drunk.

I have been to many events where drinking among my graduate or professional colleagues is nearly a must. I admit many of them drink and drive, and many of them cheated on papers or assignments too, and they are all cozy in their positions. Just because they never get caught doing any of that, doesn't make it right.

What do you mean people at drinking events aren't purposely out getting drunk? Of course they are.

I don't understand the justifications of drinking and driving. It kills, kills, and kills. Wasting human life because you felt like drinking is disgusting and horrendous by any moral standards. I can't even believe this topic is reiterated on SDN so many times.

To this day, it blows my mind that people think cheating is anywhere near the same level as DUI.

But just like cheating/plagiarism, I think a DUI in which no one was hurt still deserves a second chance. I believe in redemption.

I will agree with you on one thing though, the legal limit may be too low. People who get a DUI who aren't anywhere near actually impaired is ridiculous and undermines the severity of the crime.

 

[who_dis_new_phone]

@nutellalicker One more thing before I get off this trainwreck of a thread (if you're still reading it for some reason). Despite what @Goro and @HomeSkool might spout and pray for, people with cheating violations regularly get into md programs. That is a fact. However, you will need to be better than the average applicant. If you want to pursue this path, get as high a GPA and MCAT as possible, have great ECs (particularly leadership and nonclinical volunteering with underserved populations), add an extra ~10 lower tier schools when you apply, and most inportantly DO NOT CHEAT AGAIN and STAY OFF SDN!!! I cannot stress this last part enough. People on SDN are downright toxic about cheating violations, and that extends to the adcoms.

 

[LizzyM]

What do you mean people at drinking events aren't purposely out getting drunk? Of course they are.

Maybe this is a generational thing or a cultural thing but I attend events where alcoholic beverages are served and I do drink on occassion but I never drink alcohol with the intention of getting drunk. It is possible to drink without becoming drunk. If you drink to the point of becoming drunk, and you are unable to curb your consumption to avoid becoming drunk, then you have a problem and it might be best not to drink at all.

 

[bananafish94]

Nearly everyone who drinks alcohol has driven with some amount of impairment in their life.

That's not even a little bit true.

 

[bbdylan87]

@nutellalicker If you want to pursue this path, get as high a GPA and MCAT as possible, have great ECs (particularly leadership and nonclinical volunteering with underserved populations)

You mention nonclinical volunteering but fail to mention the greatest EC out of everything (clinical volunteering)? Why TF are you giving advice to people, especially when they have a serious IA? Why TF are you belittling two of the most proactive adcoms on this site? It's also GOING to be a FACT that you WILL NOT get into an MD program with your lack of knowledge and ignorance.

 

[Robin-jay]

Maybe this is a generational thing or a cultural thing but I attend events where alcoholic beverages are served and I do drink on occassion but I never drink alcohol with the intention of getting drunk. It is possible to drink without becoming drunk. If you drink to the point of becoming drunk, and you are unable to curb your consumption to avoid becoming drunk, then you have a problem and it might be best not to drink at all.

I agree. I was mostly pointing out that people who get drunk at these events most likely wanted to get drunk at the event sin the first place. They likely didn't go with the intention to drink one or two, and then drink five or six.

 

[jd989898]

That's not even a little bit true.

This was my exact reaction to that post. My eyes popped open a bit when I first read it lol.

 

[bananafish94]

This was my exact reaction to that post. My eyes popped open a bit when I first read it lol.

Same - most people I know don't even own a car, and I'd venture everyone I know has had at least one alcoholic beverage in their life, lol. But I digress.

 

[atomi]

That's not even a little bit true.

Same - most people I know don't even own a car, and I'd venture everyone I know has had at least one alcoholic beverage in their life, lol. But I digress.

Sure, if you have spent your whole life in a city, are totally dependent on public transportation, and none of your friends have cars. But if you are in a small town or the country and have to have a vehicle to go anywhere or do anything, you'll likely be in a situation at some point in your life where you look back and wonder if you were really safe to drive - Gee, I felt fine, but I did have 4 beers over 3 hours... A lot of people are in denial about this and/or think it can't/won't happen to them.

 

[Lucca]

Yah this thread has drifted really, really far from the OP. Closing