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Hello everyone, how do we know which programs are already filled. There are rumors regarding a few programs that are still listed on eras like utah and virginia that they have already filled. Is it common that programs that have already filled, still keep showing on eras? thank
 
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1. Get ready for an unpleasant experience
2. You are externally applying because a) your program does not have an IC fellowship, b) you were not selected to stay in your home program (too many candidates? something is wrong with your application?), c) you do not like your home program
3. Be ready to compete for 1-3 spots (~200 applications)
4. Programs may never send you a thank-you-for-visiting-but-we-already-filled-the-position mail. Feel free to email the program director/coordinator asking for updates.
5. If you are interviewing with home candidates, it is almost for sure that they will get 1/2 or 2/3 spots.
6. People want to bring gender diversity to the field (women may have an advantage here)
7. The common trend is that the top programs will send invitations/interview early (January) and the second/third tier programs will send invitations late (February).
8. I assume most people will accept the first offer they get. Remember, 200-300 applications for 1-2 spots. You have to be crazy or very confident in your CV to refuse an offer.

Some random thoughts on some programs

MOUNT SINAI (NY)
- They interview in January. Probably the most "malignant" program in the country. Rumors are that fellows start early in the morning (~6 AM) and leave the hospital at midnight (12 PM). You will likely not see your family during the fellowship year. Huge volume, probably more than you need or want. Toxic environment. Most of the top candidates will refuse to even interview there. It seems that Sharma and Kini don't do have enough time to do several rounds of interviews. They end interviewing 30-40 people for 7-8 spots on the same day and make you an offer on the spot or on the following day. They make sure to interview people who will unlikely refuse the position (they don't have time to do multiple rounds of interviews). They will end interviewing mostly IMGs or people from second/third tier general cardiology fellowships who were not invited to other top programs (yes, most of them are Indians/Pakistanis with not as good CVs as people from other top institutions). Mehran and Dangas are loosely interested in the process, you will see them randomly walking in and out of the interviews. If you are a hard working IMG, you will likely receive an invitation (it will be hard to refuse an offer from Mount Sinai when you do not have other good invitations/offers). Advice: they will show you angiograms during the procedures and ask you to describe what is going on, including questions like "what view is this?", "how to do you engage the LIMA?" Can you imagine interviewing 30 people on the same day? You lose interests after them 10th interview. If you want,

NYU
- Good academic program. They will offer spots to internal candidates first. You have to cover the VA, Langone, and Bellevue. They are proud of their peripheral experience. They interview in June. It seems they like research-oriented candidates

Columbia
- They interview very early in the process. Probably the first interview in January. A lot of work. Highly academic feeling. They will offer spots to internal candidates first. You have to do a second year of peripheral or structural training. Somewhat "malignant." people have left in the middle of the second year. Very looooooooong inteview day. Sexist remarks during the interview (surprising!).

Beth Israel
- I have heard it is a good program. However, they send invitations quite late (mid-February). No enough volume

Cedars (LA)
- Probably the highest structural volume in the country. They will send you an email saying that they are interested in your application but may never give you an interview date.

UWash
- The interview is very early in January. Soon after Columbia. They interview everyone on the same day (internal and external candidates). They have three spots and at least one of them will go to their internal candidates. This is one of the programs that will fill the positions but you will never know because it takes them weeks to send a thank-you-for-visiting-but-we-already-filled-the-position mail

Scripps
- Small place with just the right amount of structural/peripheral/coronary procedures. Friendly environment. Two-year program. The interview day is essentially just hanging around while they do procedures. If you want to practice in San Diego, do not train at Scripps. They ask you not to practice in San Diego after you complete your training. They do this with a "verbal"/"gentlemen" non-compete agreement (of course, it is not in writing because that is illegal in California). On the second year you become an attending and take call with the first year fellow

Late invitations (late January/February): Beth Israel (Boston), UMiami, BWH, MGH, Cornell (Brookline),
 
I believe Thomas Jefferson, Christiana Care, ECU are going to be filled internally
 
Allegheny, maimonides likely filled internally
 
Allegheny General Hospital, University of Rochester, Dartmouth Hitchcock filled internally for sure
Maimonides will fill internally as usual
 
Mt. Sinai asking for procedure logs....do they ask this from everyone that applies or only from candidates passing their initial screening?
 
RJ604 said:
Mt. Sinai asking for procedure logs....do they ask this from everyone that applies or only from candidates passing their initial screening?
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Last year they asked for it from everyone, don’t know about this year.
 
Does any one know if programs have started sending interviews/rejections? Any interviews yet?
 
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I think procedure log is mt sinais application requirement. St elizabeth already filled out too.
 
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Does any one know if programs have started sending interviews/rejections? Any interviews yet?
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The ones that filled in internally are the only ones that sent rejections I believe
 
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PRN HEART said:
The ones that filled in internally are the only ones that sent rejections I believe
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Surprisingly! Looking at last years forums, there was more interview invites by this time around.
 
limatolad said:
MOUNT SINAI (NY)
- They interview in January. Probably the most "malignant" program in the country. Rumors are that fellows start early in the morning (~6 AM) and leave the hospital at midnight (12 PM). You will likely not see your family during the fellowship year. Huge volume, probably more than you need or want. Toxic environment. Most of the top candidates will refuse to even interview there. It seems that Sharma and Kini don't do have enough time to do several rounds of interviews. They end interviewing 30-40 people for 7-8 spots on the same day and make you an offer on the spot or on the following day. They make sure to interview people who will unlikely refuse the position (they don't have time to do multiple rounds of interviews). They will end interviewing mostly IMGs or people from second/third tier general cardiology fellowships who were not invited to other top programs (yes, most of them are Indians/Pakistanis with not as good CVs as people from other top institutions). Mehran and Dangas are loosely interested in the process, you will see them randomly walking in and out of the interviews. If you are a hard working IMG, you will likely receive an invitation (it will be hard to refuse an offer from Mount Sinai when you do not have other good invitations/offers). Advice: they will show you angiograms during the procedures and ask you to describe what is going on, including questions like "what view is this?", "how to do you engage the LIMA?" Can you imagine interviewing 30 people on the same day? You lose interests after them 10th interview. If you want,
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I heard Sharma give a talk once and he talked about their program/dept a little, and I would agree with your review of the program and am not surprised of the vibe or culture of the place. Also, their interventional volumes are suspicious, there's been articles written about this. It surpasses the volume of many hospitals across the country by a significant margin, yet it's not an abnormally large or busy hospital from what I can tell, and it doesn't seem to have a particular patient population that would warrant it. Sure they may be 'experts' and get referrals but I can't imagine that making up the difference considering Columbia, NYU, etc. are nearby.
 
If they mention 5000 plus pci per yr, its hard to make up the numbers in these situations where everything is scrutinized and there are many competitors who can exploit that kind of mis reporting. Another thing regarding volumes is that purely academic centers like columbia almost always have low volume compared to community hospitals or community based academic centers.
 
ash450 said:
If they mention 5000 plus pci per yr, its hard to make up the numbers in these situations where everything is scrutinized and there are many competitors who can exploit that kind of mis reporting. Another thing regarding volumes is that purely academic centers like columbia almost always have low volume compared to community hospitals or community based academic centers.
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Not suggesting there's misreporting, but something doesn't add up, but maybe they truly are doing cases no one else wants to touch or they've setup an elaborate referral network. You can take a look at case volumes from 2009-2011, columbia is pretty high up there too: https://www.health.ny.gov/statistics/diseases/cardiovascular/docs/pci_2009-2011.pdf
 
No interviews posted on sdn yet. thats unusual given last few years activity was significantly more. I see UAMS and kansas had sent out interviews early last yr. Any word from these places?
 
ash450 said:
No interviews posted on sdn yet. thats unusual given last few years activity was significantly more. I see UAMS and kansas had sent out interviews early last yr. Any word from these places?
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Ya right.. I have not heard anything yet
 
Great information.

I doubt about 200 application per 1-2 spots..

Total Intervention position are around 300. Total cards around 860. Not all are going for Intervention. Even if half of them are going (which is also very high percentage), it is 430 applicants for 300 spots.


limatolad said:
1. Get ready for an unpleasant experience
2. You are externally applying because a) your program does not have an IC fellowship, b) you were not selected to stay in your home program (too many candidates? something is wrong with your application?), c) you do not like your home program
3. Be ready to compete for 1-3 spots (~200 applications)
4. Programs may never send you a thank-you-for-visiting-but-we-already-filled-the-position mail. Feel free to email the program director/coordinator asking for updates.
5. If you are interviewing with home candidates, it is almost for sure that they will get 1/2 or 2/3 spots.
6. People want to bring gender diversity to the field (women may have an advantage here)
7. The common trend is that the top programs will send invitations/interview early (January) and the second/third tier programs will send invitations late (February).
8. I assume most people will accept the first offer they get. Remember, 200-300 applications for 1-2 spots. You have to be crazy or very confident in your CV to refuse an offer.

Some random thoughts on some programs

MOUNT SINAI (NY)
- They interview in January. Probably the most "malignant" program in the country. Rumors are that fellows start early in the morning (~6 AM) and leave the hospital at midnight (12 PM). You will likely not see your family during the fellowship year. Huge volume, probably more than you need or want. Toxic environment. Most of the top candidates will refuse to even interview there. It seems that Sharma and Kini don't do have enough time to do several rounds of interviews. They end interviewing 30-40 people for 7-8 spots on the same day and make you an offer on the spot or on the following day. They make sure to interview people who will unlikely refuse the position (they don't have time to do multiple rounds of interviews). They will end interviewing mostly IMGs or people from second/third tier general cardiology fellowships who were not invited to other top programs (yes, most of them are Indians/Pakistanis with not as good CVs as people from other top institutions). Mehran and Dangas are loosely interested in the process, you will see them randomly walking in and out of the interviews. If you are a hard working IMG, you will likely receive an invitation (it will be hard to refuse an offer from Mount Sinai when you do not have other good invitations/offers). Advice: they will show you angiograms during the procedures and ask you to describe what is going on, including questions like "what view is this?", "how to do you engage the LIMA?" Can you imagine interviewing 30 people on the same day? You lose interests after them 10th interview. If you want,

NYU
- Good academic program. They will offer spots to internal candidates first. You have to cover the VA, Langone, and Bellevue. They are proud of their peripheral experience. They interview in June. It seems they like research-oriented candidates

Columbia
- They interview very early in the process. Probably the first interview in January. A lot of work. Highly academic feeling. They will offer spots to internal candidates first. You have to do a second year of peripheral or structural training. Somewhat "malignant." people have left in the middle of the second year. Very looooooooong inteview day. Sexist remarks during the interview (surprising!).

Beth Israel
- I have heard it is a good program. However, they send invitations quite late (mid-February). No enough volume

Cedars (LA)
- Probably the highest structural volume in the country. They will send you an email saying that they are interested in your application but may never give you an interview date.

UWash
- The interview is very early in January. Soon after Columbia. They interview everyone on the same day (internal and external candidates). They have three spots and at least one of them will go to their internal candidates. This is one of the programs that will fill the positions but you will never know because it takes them weeks to send a thank-you-for-visiting-but-we-already-filled-the-position mail

Scripps
- Small place with just the right amount of structural/peripheral/coronary procedures. Friendly environment. Two-year program. The interview day is essentially just hanging around while they do procedures. If you want to practice in San Diego, do not train at Scripps. They ask you not to practice in San Diego after you complete your training. They do this with a "verbal"/"gentlemen" non-compete agreement (of course, it is not in writing because that is illegal in California). On the second year you become an attending and take call with the first year fellow

Late invitations (late January/February): Beth Israel (Boston), UMiami, BWH, MGH, Cornell (Brookline),
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I do
 
Even if we take internals out, and count just one position per program (some programs have >1 external),there are still 150 positions left.. In this case, its 280 applicants for 150 positions.



limatolad said:
1. Get ready for an unpleasant experience
2. You are externally applying because a) your program does not have an IC fellowship, b) you were not selected to stay in your home program (too many candidates? something is wrong with your application?), c) you do not like your home program
3. Be ready to compete for 1-3 spots (~200 applications)
4. Programs may never send you a thank-you-for-visiting-but-we-already-filled-the-position mail. Feel free to email the program director/coordinator asking for updates.
5. If you are interviewing with home candidates, it is almost for sure that they will get 1/2 or 2/3 spots.
6. People want to bring gender diversity to the field (women may have an advantage here)
7. The common trend is that the top programs will send invitations/interview early (January) and the second/third tier programs will send invitations late (February).
8. I assume most people will accept the first offer they get. Remember, 200-300 applications for 1-2 spots. You have to be crazy or very confident in your CV to refuse an offer.

Some random thoughts on some programs

MOUNT SINAI (NY)
- They interview in January. Probably the most "malignant" program in the country. Rumors are that fellows start early in the morning (~6 AM) and leave the hospital at midnight (12 PM). You will likely not see your family during the fellowship year. Huge volume, probably more than you need or want. Toxic environment. Most of the top candidates will refuse to even interview there. It seems that Sharma and Kini don't do have enough time to do several rounds of interviews. They end interviewing 30-40 people for 7-8 spots on the same day and make you an offer on the spot or on the following day. They make sure to interview people who will unlikely refuse the position (they don't have time to do multiple rounds of interviews). They will end interviewing mostly IMGs or people from second/third tier general cardiology fellowships who were not invited to other top programs (yes, most of them are Indians/Pakistanis with not as good CVs as people from other top institutions). Mehran and Dangas are loosely interested in the process, you will see them randomly walking in and out of the interviews. If you are a hard working IMG, you will likely receive an invitation (it will be hard to refuse an offer from Mount Sinai when you do not have other good invitations/offers). Advice: they will show you angiograms during the procedures and ask you to describe what is going on, including questions like "what view is this?", "how to do you engage the LIMA?" Can you imagine interviewing 30 people on the same day? You lose interests after them 10th interview. If you want,

NYU
- Good academic program. They will offer spots to internal candidates first. You have to cover the VA, Langone, and Bellevue. They are proud of their peripheral experience. They interview in June. It seems they like research-oriented candidates

Columbia
- They interview very early in the process. Probably the first interview in January. A lot of work. Highly academic feeling. They will offer spots to internal candidates first. You have to do a second year of peripheral or structural training. Somewhat "malignant." people have left in the middle of the second year. Very looooooooong inteview day. Sexist remarks during the interview (surprising!).

Beth Israel
- I have heard it is a good program. However, they send invitations quite late (mid-February). No enough volume

Cedars (LA)
- Probably the highest structural volume in the country. They will send you an email saying that they are interested in your application but may never give you an interview date.

UWash
- The interview is very early in January. Soon after Columbia. They interview everyone on the same day (internal and external candidates). They have three spots and at least one of them will go to their internal candidates. This is one of the programs that will fill the positions but you will never know because it takes them weeks to send a thank-you-for-visiting-but-we-already-filled-the-position mail

Scripps
- Small place with just the right amount of structural/peripheral/coronary procedures. Friendly environment. Two-year program. The interview day is essentially just hanging around while they do procedures. If you want to practice in San Diego, do not train at Scripps. They ask you not to practice in San Diego after you complete your training. They do this with a "verbal"/"gentlemen" non-compete agreement (of course, it is not in writing because that is illegal in California). On the second year you become an attending and take call with the first year fellow

Late invitations (late January/February): Beth Israel (Boston), UMiami, BWH, MGH, Cornell (Brookline),
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University of Washington rejection
BMH said they already sent their interview invitations
 
How many programs you all apply to?

I only applied to 10... all highly academic. haven't heard anything yet.
 
lets try to keep this organized. please copy/update/forward. correct to make sure it is accurate.

Interviews (interview dates):
1. BWH ______
2. UWash ______
3. UIC _____
4. Minneapolis _____
5. Montefiore _____
6. CaseWestern ____
7. Baystate ____

Rejections/Filled:
1. University of Washington - rejection
2. Baylor - rejection
3. Duke - filled
4. University of Iowa - filled
5. St. Elizabeth - filled
6. Dartmouth - filled
7. Allegheny General Hospital - filled
8. University of Rochester - filled
 
Interviews (interview dates):
1. BWH ______
2. UWash ______
3. UIC _____
4. Minneapolis _____
5. Montefiore _____
6. CaseWestern ____
7. Baystate ____

Rejections/Filled:
1. University of Washington - rejection
2. Baylor - rejection
3. Duke - filled
4. University of Iowa - filled
5. St. Elizabeth - filled
6. Dartmouth - filled
7. Allegheny General Hospital - filled
8. University of Rochester - filled
9. University of Alabama - filled
10. Dartmouth - filled
11. Westchester Med Ctr/NYMC - filled
 
Interviews (interview dates):
1. BWH ______
2. UWash ______
3. UIC _____
4. Minneapolis _____
5. Montefiore _____
6. CaseWestern
7. Baystate ____
8. Columbia (1/5)

Rejections/Filled:
1. University of Washington - rejection
2. Baylor - rejection
3. Duke - filled
4. University of Iowa - filled
5. St. Elizabeth - filled
6. Dartmouth - filled
7. Allegheny General Hospital - filled
8. University of Rochester - filled
9. University of Alabama - filled
10. Dartmouth - filled
11. Westchester Med Ctr/NYMC - filled
 
I am not applying this cycle, but a friend of mine told me he received invitation some Mayo Clinic, UCSD, U of Oregon, U of Washington, case western, Cleveland clinic (not very sure about this one), and U of Arkansas.
 
cardio-nerd said:
I am not applying this cycle, but a friend of mine told me he received invitation some Mayo Clinic, UCSD, U of Oregon, U of Washington, case western, Cleveland clinic (not very sure about this one), and U of Arkansas.
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What? Your friend is the chief of cardiology at Harvard University? Hahahaha
 
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What? Your friend is the chief of cardiology at Harvard University? Hahahaha
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Hahaha!!

He did his residency and is doing his fellowship at universities with cardiology programs among the top 10 programs in the country.
 
I haven’t heard from anywhere yet except rejection UW
 
Are all pd/coordinators on holidays till next week? No correspondence(invitations/rejections) recently?
 
Interviews (interview dates):
1. BWH ______
2. UWash ______
3. UIC _____
4. Minneapolis _____
5. Montefiore _____
6. CaseWestern
7. Baystate ____
8. Columbia (1/5)

Rejections/Filled:
1. University of Washington - rejection
2. Baylor - rejection
3. Duke - filled
4. University of Iowa - filled
5. St. Elizabeth - filled
6. Dartmouth - filled
7. Allegheny General Hospital - filled
8. University of Rochester - filled
9. University of Alabama - filled
10. Dartmouth - filled
11. Westchester Med Ctr/NYMC - filled
12. UPenn - Rejection


UPenn rejection added.

I’m surprised with why majority of the programs have been silent all of December. I was expecting competitive programs to send out interviews early so they can scoop up all the competitive applicants before they sign elsewhere.
 
fancy321 said:
Interviews (interview dates):
1. BWH ______
2. UWash ______
3. UIC _____
4. Minneapolis _____
5. Montefiore _____
6. CaseWestern
7. Baystate ____
8. Columbia (1/5)

Rejections/Filled:
1. University of Washington - rejection
2. Baylor - rejection
3. Duke - filled
4. University of Iowa - filled
5. St. Elizabeth - filled
6. Dartmouth - filled
7. Allegheny General Hospital - filled
8. University of Rochester - filled
9. University of Alabama - filled
10. Dartmouth - filled
11. Westchester Med Ctr/NYMC - filled
12. UPenn - Rejection


UPenn rejection added.

I’m surprised with why majority of the programs have been silent all of December. I was expecting competitive programs to send out interviews early so they can scoop up all the competitive applicants before they sign elsewhere.
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