is there any med school you wouldn't go to, even if it was your only acceptance?

[487806]

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I like how a thread asking innocently about which schools we don't want to go if accepted collapses into a racial/diversity flame war. As always, strong work premeds in hijacking yet another thread and making that into a flame war.

Now, let's get back on the original topic, k?

 

[thegypsyqueen]

Man, this thread is terrible. Everyone get all uppity over nothing.

 

[487806]

Man, this thread is terrible. Everyone get all uppity over nothing.

Because one of the goals is apparently to act as keyboard warriors and launch a war among one another. It's unfortunate because the thread was interesting initially. 🙁

 

[clothcut]

relax
no one likes it when people play the race card
you won't gain any sympathy

student doctor network: where shameful obliviousness to life experiences happens 😴

protip: a lot of you really need to step away slowly from the computer and out of your narrow-minded (conceptualized?) world where these aren't legitimate qualms of major segments of the population.

 

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[mdocfuture]

Whose playing the race card? I simply (though so simply) responded to someone stating that they won't fit in a black school.

 

[Mr Interesting]

I remember meeting a white person from a HBCU and blurted out "Oh wow, I didn't know white people were allowed in those schools!"

Embarrasing indeed. I blame vodka.

oh wow

 

[futuremddo]

What are the reasons people typically mention? (Assuming there are reasons, and that it's not straight racism). Poor quality? Uncomfortable for non-black people because of dominant political/racial/social ideologies?
They're supposed to be focused on underserved populations, which is important and good.

(I'm a white liberal, for the record) I would never go to a HBC because the colleges make race a central part of what they are, which is something I see as racist. There are plenty of colleges that are less racist than HBCs that focus on serving underserved populations, which is something I really am interested in.

I've had some experience with one HBC in particular and as a white person I felt very marginalized. I actually had somebody come up to me once and tell me "N***** only here, honkey." They're basically taking the atmosphere of a "white" college in the 50s, reversing it, and calling it acceptable.

Yes, somebody will say "well that's what blacks feel at other universities," but this is absolutely not true. Universities are bending over backwards to make everyone feel included, including creating Black Studies departments, providing extra support available to black students only, etc. With good reason! We need to talk about race, and how our society deals with race. (Like I said, I'm a liberal!) But if you ever told a black person the opposite of what I was told on the HBC, you would seriously be kicked out of school. So saying that being white at a HBC is equivalent to being black at a non-HBC is simply false.

So no, you couldn't pay me enough money to attend a HBC, but not because I'm racist. The other way around, actually 🙂

But if other people have different experiences, I'd love to hear them.

 

[mdocfuture]

relax
no one likes it when people play the race card
you won't gain any sympathy

Lol. Not "playing any race card". WOW. I was responding to a post that stated that they wouldn't fit in a white school because they aren't black. I think my response was entirely appropriate. Anyways, last comment from me. This is ridiculousness. But it didn't start with innocence. One of the very first comments on this thread was, "I'll say what everyone is thinking, but won't say, I wouldn't go to a historically black school." I left this comment alone, but it got worst from there. Anyways, back to studying.

 

[touchpause13]

I like how a thread asking innocently about which schools we don't want to go if accepted collapses into a racial/diversity flame war. As always, strong work premeds in hijacking yet another thread and making that into a flame war.

Now, let's get back on the original topic, k?

This was obviously going to devolve into a flame war. Although my money was on DO v. MD.
Points for originality at least.

 

[La Presse]

Man, this thread is spicy. Keep it coming guys!!

 

[osprey099]

I would never go to a HBC because the colleges make race a central part of what they are.

This exactly.

 

[Escape_Goat]

Man, this thread is terrible. Everyone get all uppity over nothing.

Well played.

Middle-aged white dude here; would absolutely love to go to Howard.

The only schools that I absolutely wouldn't attend would be those with strong religious slants, with Liberty at the absolute bottom of that list. It strikes me as incredibly intellectually dishonest for a school to promote its religious agenda in the science classroom.

 

[clothcut]

This exactly.

not to play devil's advocate, but i'm genuinely interested -- how do you both know this? let me just preface by stating, i don't go to an hbcu nor do i have a vested affinity for them... i just want to know how how you both surmise race is a 'central' facet of these schools. while these schools typically have a mission predicated on the under-served with perhaps 'race' even an element of the school's history and atmosphere (but name me a university in america where this isn't prevalent)...on the ground of semantics, its somewhat duplicitous to paint this visage of HBCU *med* schools as hyper radical environments where other races would feel uncomfortable. on those grounds, every other non-white race of people would express this discomfort w/ regards to being at a PWI.

my thoughts, personally -- i think much of the reticence w/ respect to attending a hbcu is a subtle manifestation of america's fear of black people.. which is not "pc" but nonetheless the reality in most instances.

 

[Status Sciaticus]

And furthermore, aside from HBCUs, tell me what medical school in the US has a majority of ANY race other than white?

There are 11 white students at Howard. Just so you know that's about the average or little higher than the average of black students at most medical schools...

Its not a question of which race is in the majority, but rather the OVERWHELMING majority. If you look at how many OTHER groups are represented at the HBCUs ( east asian, south asian, hispanic, native american, etc.) it is much much lower than what you see at just about every other medical school.

I agree strongly with all your points actually. However, I view schools like Howard, meharry, Marshall, and others that have a specific mission to attract certain races and demographics to be countering diversity. In my opinion, any med school with a homogenous (>90% of a certain race/demographic) group of people is a medical school I want to avoid because there is a LACK of diversity in these schools.

👍👍

you need to drop the whole victim mentality. it doesn't help anyone and the more you harp on it, the more people will dislike you. medicine is about fitting in, toeing the line and working with your peers. your us vs them worldview will be an impediment to your future career.

👍👍

 

[osprey099]

not to play devil's advocate, but i'm genuinely interested -- how do you both know this? let me just preface by stating, i don't go to an hbcu nor do i have a vested affinity for them... i just want to know how how you both surmise race is a 'central' facet of these schools. while these schools typically have a mission predicated on the under-served with perhaps 'race' even an element of the school's history and atmosphere (but name me a university in america where this isn't prevalent)...on the ground of semantics, its somewhat duplicitous to paint this visage of HBCU *med* schools as hyper radical environments where other races would feel uncomfortable. on those grounds, every other non-white race of people would express this discomfort w/ regards to being at a PWI.

my thoughts, personally -- i think much of the reticence w/ respect to attending a hbcu is a subtle manifestation of america's fear of black people.. which is not "pc" but nonetheless the reality in most instances.

For simplicity's sake, let's compare the demographics of Howard and GW med school. Both are in the same city. GW has no religious/race affiliation whereas Howard is a HBCU med school. Taken from the MSAR (I hope this doesn't violate TOS..):

Last year's class

Howard:
70 black
18 total asian
11 white
14 total hispanic

GW:
15 black
51 total asian
98 white
7 total hispanic
3 native hawain/indian

As you can see, Howard's %tage of black is a lot higher than GW's %tage of black students. Both schools are in the same city but GW is a lot more diverse than Howard. And it has been historically like this so obviously Howard makes race a central part of their admissions process, which is perfectly fine because I in fact support there being HBCUs since this country needs more black physicians.

All I'm saying is that I personally would not be comfortable attending a HBCU because I want a place where there's a lot of diversity and a school that doesn't have a certain race/religion preference that is a central part of their school.

Same goes for schools like Meharry, Loma Linda, Marshall, and some others I can't think of right now.

 

[Pandaeac]

I like how a thread asking innocently about which schools we don't want to go if accepted collapses into a racial/diversity flame war. As always, strong work premeds in hijacking yet another thread and making that into a flame war.

Now, let's get back on the original topic, k?

hah, as the OP, I was thinking the exact same thing.

 

[911 Turbo]

Liberty / Loma Linda


TBH im astounded how Liberty was able to build an accredited medical school.

 

[Mr Interesting]

Its not a question of which race is in the majority, but rather the OVERWHELMING majority. If you look at how many OTHER groups are represented at the HBCUs ( east asian, south asian, hispanic, native american, etc.) it is much much lower than what you see at just about every other medical school.

You understand white people are the OVERWHELMING majority at practically every other medical school? If fact the only thing different is pretty much black people are the majority and white people are minority, nothing else.

Howard med
Black: 70
Hispanic: 14
Total Asian: 18
Indian Asian: 5
White: 11

Morehouse Med
Black: 32
Hispanic: 7
Total Asian: 21
Indian Asian: 7
White: 10

 

[osprey099]

You understand white people are the OVERWHELMING majority at practically every other medical school? If fact the only thing different is pretty much black people are the majority and white people are minority, nothing else.

Howard med
Black: 70
Hispanic: 14
Total Asian: 18
Indian Asian: 5
White: 11

Morehouse Med
Black: 32
Hispanic: 7
Total Asian: 21
Indian Asian: 7
White: 10

You also realize that whites make up the largest %tage of any race in the United States right? Med school demographics is just more or less a mere reflection of society.

 

[487806]

This was obviously going to devolve into a flame war. Although my money was on DO v. MD.
Points for originality at least.

I was hoping for Christianity vs atheism since loma linda was mentioned. Ah well.

 

[mdocfuture]

not to play devil's advocate, but i'm genuinely interested -- how do you both know this? let me just preface by stating, i don't go to an hbcu nor do i have a vested affinity for them... i just want to know how how you both surmise race is a 'central' facet of these schools. while these schools typically have a mission predicated on the under-served with perhaps 'race' even an element of the school's history and atmosphere (but name me a university in america where this isn't prevalent)...on the ground of semantics, its somewhat duplicitous to paint this visage of HBCU *med* schools as hyper radical environments where other races would feel uncomfortable. on those grounds, every other non-white race of people would express this discomfort w/ regards to being at a PWI.

my thoughts, personally -- i think much of the reticence w/ respect to attending a hbcu is a subtle manifestation of america's fear of black people.. which is not "pc" but nonetheless the reality in most instances.

I said I was done lol. But thank you for this. Spot on. Well said.

 

[sinombre]

You also realize that whites make up the largest %tage of any race in the United States right? Med school demographics is just more or less a mere reflection of society.

If this is supposed to mean that the relative racial makeup of medical schools mirrors the US population, you couldn't be more wrong.

https://www.aamc.org/download/87306/data/

 

[Mr Interesting]

You also realize that whites make up the largest %tage of any race in the United States right? Med school demographics is just more or less a mere reflection of society.

Yea.... no. Just say what you want to say, you don't want to be in school with a bunch of black people. Look me in the eye and tell me I'm wrong....



















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[mdocfuture]

For simplicity's sake, let's compare the demographics of Howard and GW med school. Both are in the same city. GW has no religious/race affiliation whereas Howard is a HBCU med school. Taken from the MSAR (I hope this doesn't violate TOS..):

Last year's class

Howard:
70 black
18 total asian
11 white
14 total hispanic

GW:
15 black
51 total asian
98 white
7 total hispanic
3 native hawain/indian

As you can see, Howard's %tage of black is a lot higher than GW's %tage of black students. Both schools are in the same city but GW is a lot more diverse than Howard. And it has been historically like this so obviously Howard makes race a central part of their admissions process, which is perfectly fine because I in fact support there being HBCUs since this country needs more black physicians.

All I'm saying is that I personally would not be comfortable attending a HBCU because I want a place where there's a lot of diversity and a school that doesn't have a certain race/religion preference that is a central part of their school.

Same goes for schools like Meharry, Loma Linda, Marshall, and some others I can't think of right now.

I know I said I'd shut up but is A LOT more really a fair choice of words here. Let's do percentages based on your stats:

George Washington
56% White
29% Asian
8.6% Black
4% Hispanic
1.7% Hawaiian/Indian

Howard
62% Black
16% Asian
12% Hispanic
9.7% White

Then do a calculation to factor in how many people REFUSE to even apply to a HBCU like the handful of you on this thread LOL. MAN. Probably everyone on this thread would gladly go to GW. GW is therefore working with a different application pool... and yet Howard still comes out with nearly the same demographic breakdown... Hmmmmmmmmmm

 

[KnuxNole]

Yeah, there are a higher amount of Asians in the med school demographics compared to the US population. I know when I was in living in Florida, it's easier to play Where's Waldo 😛

 

[Status Sciaticus]

You understand white people are the OVERWHELMING majority at practically every other medical school? If fact the only thing different is pretty much black people are the majority and white people are minority, nothing else.

Howard med
Black: 70
Hispanic: 14
Total Asian: 18
Indian Asian: 5
White: 11

Morehouse Med
Black: 32
Hispanic: 7
Total Asian: 21
Indian Asian: 7
White: 10

You are missing the point that I am trying to make. Its not about the fact that the major race at a given med school is black or white. Its that the makeup of the class isnt as diverse at HBCUs versus other medical schools. The latter have a higher percentage of the other groups ( indian, asian, hispanic, etc.) than the former.

 

[osprey099]

I know I said I'd shut up but is A LOT more really a fair choice of words here. Let's do percentages based on your stats:

George Washington
56% White
29% Asian
8.6% Black
4% Hispanic
1.7% Hawaiian/Indian

Howard
62% Black
16% Asian
12% Hispanic
9.7% White

Then do a calculation to factor in how many people REFUSE to even apply to a HBCU like the handful of you on this thread LOL. MAN. Probably everyone on this thread would gladly go to GW. GW is therefore working with a different application pool... and yet Howard still comes out with nearly the same demographic breakdown... Hmmmmmmmmmm

You need to take into consideration that blacks, Asians, and other demographics are all MINORITIES IN THE US SOCIETY compared to whites. And this is expressed at almost all med schools in their matriculants demographics except for the ones that make it their mission to accept certain races.

 

[Mr Interesting]

You are missing the point that osprey and I are trying to make. Its not about the fact that the major race at a given med school is black or white. Its that the makeup of the class isnt as diverse at HBCUs versus other medical schools. The later have a higher percentage of the other groups ( indian, asian, hispanic, etc.) than the former.

But they don't as I shown you earlier, it's about the same for other races or a little less. The only difference is the ratio of whites to blacks.

 

[osprey099]

Yea.... no. Just say what you want to say, you don't want to be in school with a bunch of black people. Look me in the eye and tell me I'm wrong....



















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Your right.

I also wouldn't want to go to a school like Marshall that's >90% white either. Furthermore, I wouldn't want to go to a school that's >90% Asian (if there is one) even though I'm Asian myself.

 

[futuremddo]

not to play devil's advocate, but i'm genuinely interested -- how do you both know this? let me just preface by stating, i don't go to an hbcu nor do i have a vested affinity for them... i just want to know how how you both surmise race is a 'central' facet of these schools. while these schools typically have a mission predicated on the under-served with perhaps 'race' even an element of the school's history and atmosphere (but name me a university in america where this isn't prevalent)...on the ground of semantics, its somewhat duplicitous to paint this visage of HBCU *med* schools as hyper radical environments where other races would feel uncomfortable. on those grounds, every other non-white race of people would express this discomfort w/ regards to being at a PWI.

my thoughts, personally -- i think much of the reticence w/ respect to attending a hbcu is a subtle manifestation of america's fear of black people.. which is not "pc" but nonetheless the reality in most instances.

Yeah, I think this is an interesting and relevant topic. I surmise that race is a central facet of these schools because I have experience with one, so I don't think it's duplicitous for me to say so. I took my position there because I didn't realize race would be such a huge issue; I thought it would be one of heritage and history, which is great. But as it turned out, I was derided and demeaned at every turn because of *my* race, which happens to be white.

Also, I think I already addressed your statement that blacks would feel the same at a PWI. I really don't think that's true at all. People would say all the time to me "You don't understand because you're white." In what PWI would it be acceptable for professor to say to a black person "You don't understand because you're black?" None! My issue with HBCs is that there is a double standard when it comes to race. It's okay to paint all whites as southern slave owners who are personally responsible for black oppression.

And your personal thought about my reticence to attend a HBC is simply because I'm afraid of black people is just not, not, not, not true. At the HBC I was affiliated with, the environment was just extremely hostile towards me simply because of my race. That's it. Not because I'm afraid of black people. I wouldn't have gotten involved in the first place if I were.

 

[Reckoner]

I was hoping for Christianity vs atheism since loma linda was mentioned. Ah well.

👍 we can always take it there. To everyone who said Loma Linda or Liberty, would you still attend a Jesuit school? In other words, is it the religious affiliation that turns you off, or the feeling that a school imposes certain religious beliefs on the class?

 

[Status Sciaticus]

But they don't as I shown you earlier, it's about the same for other races or a little less. The only difference is the ratio of whites to blacks.

If you look at the MSAR numbers for the school in Texas (where I live), then you will see the demographics are different compared to HBCUs.

There is also the the principle of making race an important admissions factor that HBCUs utilize (which borders on discrimination by exclusion of other races with the same level of consideration) which I find morally wrong.

If there were historically white colleges or medical schools (with the same mission & agendas as HBCUs), I wouldnt attend those either.

 

[mdocfuture]

HA HA!!! OK it clearly might not be possible for me to shutup!

Yea.... no. Just say what you want to say, you don't want to be in school with a bunch of black people. Look me in the eye and tell me I'm wrong....



















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[futuremddo]

Yea.... no. Just say what you want to say, you don't want to be in school with a bunch of black people. Look me in the eye and tell me I'm wrong....

You're wrong! 🙂

No problem with black people. No problem if I'm the only white person in the room. Big problem if people tell me that I'm not welcome because of my race. Same thing if a black person is told they're not welcome because of their race. Unacceptable in either instance.

 

[touchpause13]

👍 we can always take it there. To everyone who said Loma Linda or Liberty, would you still attend a Jesuit school? In other words, is it the religious affiliation that turns you off, or the feeling that a school imposes certain religious beliefs on the class?

Religious affiliation doesn't bother me. The amount of focus on religion does. I'm an atheist and would attend Marian but not Liberty because of it's code of conduct that I know I could not adhere to.

 

[La Presse]

👍 we can always take it there. To everyone who said Loma Linda or Liberty, would you still attend a Jesuit school? In other words, is it the religious affiliation that turns you off, or the feeling that a school imposes certain religious beliefs on the class?

Don't forget that GT is also a Jesuit school. However, they get a ton of applications each year (~10k). I'm pretty sure prestige is the driving factor though. 😛

 

[Mr Interesting]

If you look at the MSAR numbers for the school in Texas (where I live), then you will see the demographics are different compared to HBCUs.

There is also the the principle of making race an important admissions factor that HBCUs utilize (which borders on discrimination by exclusion of other races with the same level of consideration) which I find morally wrong.

If there were historically white colleges or medical schools (with the same mission & agendas as HBCUs), I wouldnt attend those either.

Stop with the Texas schools already, look at the vast majority of medical schools and then tell me I am wrong. Seriously, have you ever looked at other schools? I can seriously pick almost any school in the MSAR at random that will illustrate my point.

 

[Mr Interesting]

Your right.

I also wouldn't want to go to a school like Marshall that's >90% white either. Furthermore, I wouldn't want to go to a school that's >90% Asian (if there is one) even though I'm Asian myself.

I respect your honesty...

In the beginning of the app season, the only schools I would've stayed away from were the historically black schools; I have nothing against them, it's just that I'm not black so I don't see how I can fit in.

It's when you said this.. Well I found it ridiculous. Reason being if you were a minority applicant with great stats, would really not apply to good schools where the majority of students are white? Because you think you wouldn't fit in?

 

[Mr Interesting]

You're wrong! 🙂

No problem with black people. No problem if I'm the only white person in the room. Big problem if people tell me that I'm not welcome because of my race. Same thing if a black person is told they're not welcome because of their race. Unacceptable in either instance.

completely agree

however, as I mentioned those schools do accept white people, Asians , and Hispanic people.

 

[futuremddo]

Right, but as I mentioned when I was at one I was explicitly told by many people that I was unwelcome because of my race. Of course that's illegal and immoral and not condoned at all by the school itself. Like you said, they accept people of any and all races. But in practice, non-minorities are marginalized and excluded.

Since we're turning the thread towards religion, I think my same set of principles would apply: as long as everyone is made to feel welcome and that religion does not contaminate the science, I'd attend. But if non-Christians are marginalized or the school allows faith to alter their teaching of science, I would not.

Although I've not had the pleasure of attending Georgetown Med, it's my understanding that although the school is officially Christian, religion isn't really an issue among med students and evolution is still accepted, etc. I'd be happy to go there. I've heard the opposite about Liberty, though, and as they teach their undergrads that evolution doesn't happen you couldn't pay me to go to any med school affiliated with that nonsense!

 

[AdrianVeidt]

lol

You guys do realize that every school in America besides HBCU's are HWCU's????

As long as the school is licensed to allow me to get a residency and practice medicine after graduation, I would go to any school in the nation.

 

[ES2]

lol

You guys do realize that every school in America besides HBCU's are HWCU's????

As long as the school is licensed to allow me to get a residency and practice medicine after graduation, I would go to any school in the nation.

Isn't this a bit of a stretch?

 

[iceman55]

That is not OPs question though. I agree that you should only apply to schools you would go to. There are many schools I would not apply to because I would not go to them even if that was my only option. There is a difference.

Well, im assuming the OPs question assumes the applicant applied to X school. Because thats the only way they would have the choice to go to X school in the first place. Thus, whoever applies to a school they don't plan on attending if it's the only one they gain acceptance to, is just plain stupid.

 

[sazerac]

Well, im assuming the OPs question assumes the applicant applied to X school. Because thats the only way they would have the choice to go to X school in the first place. Thus, whoever applies to a school they don't plan on attending if it's the only one they gain acceptance to, is just plain stupid.

That's what makes the question of probation the most relevant part of this thread. A school is not likely to change its HBCU status mid season. Or its integration of Christianity into the curriculum.

However, schools do sometimes go in probation mid-season. Would you really drop your only acceptance if your school suddenly went in probation?

What about geography? If a natural disaster like a tornado destroyed your school's physical infrastructure and they suddenly relocated to Appalachia or Detroit or some other place that makes you personally uncomfortable, but it was your only acceptance, would you still go?

These are not theoretical scenarios. Both have actually happened in the past decade. How much of a red flag would a school have to display for you to turn down your only acceptance (at a school you originally applied to and interviewed at)?

Could an interview ever go so badly that you would turn down your only medical school acceptance because of "poor fit"?

 

[AdrianVeidt]

Isn't this a bit of a stretch?

Not for me at least. Becoming a doctor is important, not the school that allows for me to become said doctor.

 

[tantacles]

For simplicity's sake, let's compare the demographics of Howard and GW med school. Both are in the same city. GW has no religious/race affiliation whereas Howard is a HBCU med school. Taken from the MSAR (I hope this doesn't violate TOS..):

Last year's class

Howard:
70 black
18 total asian
11 white
14 total hispanic

GW:
15 black
51 total asian
98 white
7 total hispanic
3 native hawain/indian

As you can see, Howard's %tage of black is a lot higher than GW's %tage of black students. Both schools are in the same city but GW is a lot more diverse than Howard. And it has been historically like this so obviously Howard makes race a central part of their admissions process, which is perfectly fine because I in fact support there being HBCUs since this country needs more black physicians.

All I'm saying is that I personally would not be comfortable attending a HBCU because I want a place where there's a lot of diversity and a school that doesn't have a certain race/religion preference that is a central part of their school.

Same goes for schools like Meharry, Loma Linda, Marshall, and some others I can't think of right now.

Meh, Meharry isn't really in this category. They actually don't particularly prefer black students for admission anymore (their demographics, from what I understand, are more as a result of their reputation and thus the people who apply), and they're very mission focused. I was accepted there as a white person, and I really don't even have a significant link to their mission (though I did my research well).

 

[AdrianVeidt]

All I'm saying is that I personally would not be comfortable attending a HBCU because I want a place where there's a lot of diversity and a school that doesn't have a certain race/religion preference that is a central part of their school.

Same goes for schools like Meharry, Loma Linda, Marshall, and some others I can't think of right now.

You would have been better off saying you would be uncomfortable being the only white student in a room full of black people. That's how black people in non HBCU's feel every day

 

[Status Sciaticus]

Stop with the Texas schools already, look at the vast majority of medical schools and then tell me I am wrong. Seriously, have you ever looked at other schools? I can seriously pick almost any school in the MSAR at random that will illustrate my point.

Why? Are they not medical schools?

Looking at the medical schools in California, they have similar percentages as the texas schools, so no you cannot pick any school to illustrate your point.

 

[iceman55]

That's what makes the question of probation the most relevant part of this thread. A school is not likely to change its HBCU status mid season. Or its integration of Christianity into the curriculum.

However, schools do sometimes go in probation mid-season. Would you really drop your only acceptance if your school suddenly went in probation?

What about geography? If a natural disaster like a tornado destroyed your school's physical infrastructure and they suddenly relocated to Appalachia or Detroit or some other place that makes you personally uncomfortable, but it was your only acceptance, would you still go?

These are not theoretical scenarios. Both have actually happened in the past decade. How much of a red flag would a school have to display for you to turn down your only acceptance (at a school you originally applied to and interviewed at)?

Could an interview ever go so badly that you would turn down your only medical school acceptance because of "poor fit"?

Yes to all the scenarios you listed.

Probation is nonsense, 99% of schools get off it. And it has no effect on matching (only your individual work ethic those). Have you seen SUNY Upstates recent match list (2013), it was impressive and that was the same year they got off probation.

As for your 1/millionth chance of occurring geographical reasons, could care less. Gotta learn to roll with the punches. Never been to michigan but, grew up in baltimore, so I think i could handle detroit.

For most applicants, once the school list as been made, there should be no such red flag.