KCUMB Discussion thread 2007-2008

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Hey, I had my file complete about a month ago, but never heard anything back from KCUMB. I called and they said I needed to take a genetics class or submit an alternate class form, which I did. After all that mess they told me that my request was declined! Now Im in limbo, as I can't complete a genetics class untill May, way past there deadline. Im a bit confused, as people on SDN have said that they recieved interviews without biochem, so why are my 160hrs of undergradute coursework, nearly 60 hours of biology coursework,30hrs of chemistry including biochemistry, a bachelors degree, research credentials, and an early and complete application not enough?????
😡😡
Anybody have in the same situation???😕
 
Wow. Im shocked they declined your course form. I am currently enrolled in Genetics, made it clear I intended to take Biochem in spring. Im sittin on an acceptance. Thats a lil odd, whats your GPA/MCAT ?
 
It all seems a little strange to me, as most medical schools will grant you an interview even if you have not finished some of the more standard pre-reqs(org 2) as long as you finish them before you start. I sent them another e-mail today, but have yet to hear back. I have three more interviews next month, and have been accepted at NSUCOM, so I dont quite understand it. My scores are.

MCAT 24 (twice)
GPA 3.25
 
Does KCUMB offer OMM every semester?

As far as I know, OMM is integrated into each section of the first year. I can't say much about 2nd year, since I'm not there yet. Maybe Osli can say more about that.

Also do they have any direct patient early on?

Yes. You'll get some through Score 1, from volunteer experience through clubs, and from Early Clinical Experiences, where you shadows some docs. Both Score 1 and ECE's are part of the curriculum.
 
I was on campus on Monday and just wanted to throw a thank you out to the student ambassadors that led us around the campus. I spent most of my time talking with two in particular, but all of them did the group a favor by taking a day away from their studies and classes. They were all very nice and their time and efforts are much appreciated. Interviewers typically get thank you notes, but I doubt the ambassadors ever do.

So if any of those folks are on here, thanks again.
 
Good call Basco... All of the ambassadors were awesome in answering questions and taking us around campus... After visiting it will definitely be a tough decision if I'm accepted to more than one institution...
 
I was on campus on Monday and just wanted to throw a thank you out to the student ambassadors that led us around the campus. I spent most of my time talking with two in particular, but all of them did the group a favor by taking a day away from their studies and classes. They were all very nice and their time and efforts are much appreciated. Interviewers typically get thank you notes, but I doubt the ambassadors ever do.

So if any of those folks are on here, thanks again.

👍 I second that. The ambassadors at KCUMB were really great! 😍
 
Can any of you who have lived in KC comment about living there? How bad is the snow? How bad is the traffic? How is life in general? I know it's is the midwest, but it was a very different place/feel than say DMU was to someone who is not from the midwest.

Thanks!
VC
 
Hey Osli or any other current student,

I am flying into KC on Wed to drive to Kirksville for an interview on Thursday and would like to walk around KCUMB's campus just to see what it is like. I don't have an interview yet, so this is just for me to get a feel of campus.

I have no problem walking around alone, but was just looking for some pointers as to what to look for, ect. or, if I contacted the admissions office, would they arrange a tour for me even though I am not interviewing yet?

Thanks bunches!

HD
 
Can any of you who have lived in KC comment about living there? How bad is the snow? How bad is the traffic? How is life in general? I know it's is the midwest, but it was a very different place/feel than say DMU was to someone who is not from the midwest.

Thanks!
VC

KC is a nice place to live. The snow isn't terrible, though I guess it depends on what you are used to. People here are generally very friendly. Traffic is bad during rush hours, as it is in any city. I have read feedback comments from KCUMB interviewees about a perceived lack of social life here, but there is really quite a bit to do. The Nelson-Atkins Art museum is fantastic, as is the Liberty Memorial park and WWI museum, downtown First Friday art walks, the jazz district, bbq cookoffs, Chiefs football and Royals baseball games, and shopping at several of the new outdoor malls in the metro area, to name a few. There is also a variety of musical acts that come to the metro at an assortment of venues.

I have applied to KCUMB and have an upcoming interview. While the neighborhood directly surrounding the campus is quite poor, there are several nice areas that you can choose to live in. From where I live in a suburb in the northeast part of the metro area, I can get to the school in about 20-25 minutes. Cost of living is good relative to most other cities in the US.

Let me know if you have any other questions. I'd be happy to answer them. 🙂
 
Can any of you who have lived in KC comment about living there? How bad is the snow? How bad is the traffic? How is life in general? I know it's is the midwest, but it was a very different place/feel than say DMU was to someone who is not from the midwest.

Thanks!
VC

KC is not tumbleweeds or anything. Its a big US city. As with any other major city, there are great places to live, and not so great places to live. Cost of living is pretty good though. Traffic can get pretty bad at times (but like I said ITS A BIG CITY). Winter varies from year to year, some winters can be fairly dry but cold. Last winter was pretty bad, it seemed to last forever and there was ice at times. There are some very very nice neighborhoods if you can $$$$ it, but there are some low crime rate nice neihborhoods for the avg. person too. KC has pretty decent night life as well as top notch food !!! Both on the KS and MO side there are plenty of hospitals. Childrens Mercy, KUMED, Overland Park Regional, St Lukes.
 
KC is not tumbleweeds or anything. Its a big US city. As with any other major city, there are great places to live, and not so great places to live. Cost of living is pretty good though. Traffic can get pretty bad at times (but like I said ITS A BIG CITY). Winter varies from year to year, some winters can be fairly dry but cold. Last winter was pretty bad, it seemed to last forever and there was ice at times. There are some very very nice neighborhoods if you can $$$$ it, but there are some low crime rate nice neihborhoods for the avg. person too. KC has pretty decent night life as well as top notch food !!! Both on the KS and MO side there are plenty of hospitals. Childrens Mercy, KUMED, Overland Park Regional, St Lukes.

i know youre committed to living away from campus, but do you think id be making a mistake living in CT?
 
i know youre committed to living away from campus, but do you think id be making a mistake living in CT?


Explore your options. I personally wouldn't want to live in that particular neighborhood, but if you like to roll out of bed and walk to school, then CT might be the best option.
 
i know youre committed to living away from campus, but do you think id be making a mistake living in CT?

Its a personal choice. For me CT wouldnt work. At the end of the day, I want to feel like I can get away from campus for a little bit. If I want to study at home, Ill have my office, if I want to study on campus there is Leonard Smith Hall, Weiver. But I like the idea of getting away from campus and having a ''home" and not a room.
 
Hey, I didn't want to start a new thread for this, but does anyone know any info about the DO/MBA program at KCUMB. I know how it is offered and through what university you get your MBA (got that off the website), but I'm unsure about if you need to take the GRE as well as the MCAT, or the chances of getting in DO/MBA compared to just DO (and if you can apply both)??? Thanks.
 
Hey, I didn't want to start a new thread for this, but does anyone know any info about the DO/MBA program at KCUMB. I know how it is offered and through what university you get your MBA (got that off the website), but I'm unsure about if you need to take the GRE as well as the MCAT, or the chances of getting in DO/MBA compared to just DO (and if you can apply both)??? Thanks.

Jagger, Here's more information about the DO/MBA program.

http://www.kcumb.edu/pstudents/mbahealthcare.asp

http://rockhurst.edu/HSOM/programs/domba/index.asp

You will apply to the MBA program after you begin classes. They will allow a little less than 30 students into the program from each class.
 
Thanks so much for the input. I am not a Midwesterner, and I am still trying to figure out the life out there -- it is amazing how different it seemed just a couple of hours north at DMU from KCUMB. But I digress.

I should have been more specific. I can look at maps online, and reviews, etc. My question about Kansas City was more about where to live. I am married with a family, so CT is not something I want to do. I don't mind a bit of a drive. I just want a good neighborhood. I know it won't be like where I am now(overlooking a giant pasture/farm) -- but I don't want to live in downtown KC either. Where are a couple of good neighborhoods to live in with kids? I know everyone says KCUMB is in a bad part of town, but I see it as more inner city than a bad part of town. I have see many many med schools in much worse parts of cities, but having said that, one of the students on my interview day said not to live by KCUMB area...

How bad are the winters? When I was at CCOM, someone mentioned it was worse in KC than Chicago b/c there is nothing by KC(mountain, water, etc) to shield it. I can look at the weather.com averages, but that won't say anything. How well does the city handle snow? I remember living in Atlanta many years ago, and the city would shut down when there was an inch or two of snow 😕 . Compare that to Utah, where they had the whole process down.👍
 
violin did u get that packet that came with the orientation info?

there was a service in there that helps u find a place suited to your needs.. you should give them a call and see what they have to say, if u dont have the # pm and ill dig through my stuff and find it.
 
Thanks so much for the input. I am not a Midwesterner, and I am still trying to figure out the life out there -- it is amazing how different it seemed just a couple of hours north at DMU from KCUMB. But I digress.

I should have been more specific. I can look at maps online, and reviews, etc. My question about Kansas City was more about where to live. I am married with a family, so CT is not something I want to do. I don't mind a bit of a drive. I just want a good neighborhood. I know it won't be like where I am now(overlooking a giant pasture/farm) -- but I don't want to live in downtown KC either. Where are a couple of good neighborhoods to live in with kids? I know everyone says KCUMB is in a bad part of town, but I see it as more inner city than a bad part of town. I have see many many med schools in much worse parts of cities, but having said that, one of the students on my interview day said not to live by KCUMB area...

How bad are the winters? When I was at CCOM, someone mentioned it was worse in KC than Chicago b/c there is nothing by KC(mountain, water, etc) to shield it. I can look at the weather.com averages, but that won't say anything. How well does the city handle snow? I remember living in Atlanta many years ago, and the city would shut down when there was an inch or two of snow 😕 . Compare that to Utah, where they had the whole process down.👍



There are many nice places to live esp. if you dont mind a drive. Alot of students live in nice communities "north of the river" mapquest the school and youll know what Im talking about. I am going to look for a house in the Roeland Park area. You might want to check that out as well. Hope this helps!
 
i think the only rason im chosing CT is i like being around a lot of people and i can roll out of bed and get to lecture 20 sec before it starts every morning lol
 
i think the only rason im chosing CT is i like being around a lot of people and i can roll out of bed and get to lecture 20 sec before it starts every morning lol

Do you think the stores (grocery, regular stores) near CT are walkable distance too? does anyone know?
 
Do you think the stores (grocery, regular stores) near CT are walkable distance too? does anyone know?

There is only one grocery store within walking distance of CT. It's an Aldi's, which I have never been to. You'll have to get in your car every once in a while to run errands and stuff.
 
Been busy for a few days, sorry for the missed replies and questions.

Thanks for the ambassador compliments... I think it is a testament to the school that we really enjoy interview days, and get about as excited at the prospect of "sharing the good news" with interviewees as they do about having an interview.

As for family living, I have a wife and son and live in Mission KS (about 10 minutes South of the KC downtown area). Going 10-15 minutes South/SouthWest of the school will land you in some nice and affordable neighborhoods like Mission, Shawnee, Merriam, and Olathe. Prarie Village and Fairview are both extremely nice an in that general area, but costly and short on rental opportunities. My neighbor across the street is a retired plastic surgeon (very friendly), and the area in general is quiet, mature, and safe. My commute is never more than 20 minutes or so unless there is an accident.

Going further South lands you in Overland Park, which is a very "happening" part of the KC metro area. Rent is variable, but there are a variety of condos and apartments that are ~$1000/mo (some maybe a couple hundred cheaper for a small, possibly one bedroom). Lots of places to rent for big $$ if you happen to be in that situation. Overland Park is maybe 30 minutes at most to the school in light traffic, and perhaps up to an hour during the worst rush-hour stuff. All of the above mentioned towns are in Johnson County KS, which has great schools systems and high income per capita.

Even further SouthWest is Lenexa, which gets to be a longish commute to school (30-45 minutes even in light driving), but has very reasonable homes for rent with spacious yards and such. Pretty close to the "house overlooking a pasture" environment if you are comfortable with the commute.

North of the school, and on the MO side, are some pretty good apartments for reasonable rates. Safe area, plenty of local shopping and food, and prices for rent are generally lower than on the KS side and south of the school. Go a bit further North and you'll find Gladstone... a very family friendly town with some good neighborhoods, plenty of houses for rent at reasonable rates, and reasonable commutes to campus (in that 20-30 minute range depending on traffic). Upside is that you are close to the airport, downside is that you are getting further from all of the "happening" stuff that tends to be in the central KC metro area and extending South down to Overland Park.

To live on the cheap, to East or NorthEast of the school. Older neighborhoods, good prices, you just have to really take a close look at the surrounding area. Some good spots, some not. Not really close to anything of note except the Royals and Chiefs stadiums. These are generally in the Independence and Liberty areas.
 
i've been given the dreadful

"you have been reviewed but the comittee does not wish to offer you an interview at this time"

email..

any advice folks? I'm not too familiar with KCUMB and they havent been picking up the phones..
 
i've been given the dreadful

"you have been reviewed but the comittee does not wish to offer you an interview at this time"

email..

any advice folks? I'm not too familiar with KCUMB and they havent been picking up the phones..


thats kinda mean...

what are your other options at this time?
 
thats kinda mean...

what are your other options at this time?

i interviewed at lmu-dcom today - i think it went well so i have my fingers crossed. waitlisted at CCOM , interview at LECOM erie next week, interview at TOURO-CA, and intervie at TOURO-NY yet to be scheduled...so i think i'm doing okay, just wish i had gotten more love from kcumb..🙂
 
i interviewed at lmu-dcom today - i think it went well so i have my fingers crossed. waitlisted at CCOM , interview at LECOM erie next week, interview at TOURO-CA, and intervie at TOURO-NY yet to be scheduled...so i think i'm doing okay, just wish i had gotten more love from kcumb..🙂

Just remember it only takes one to be a DO. Uno is all.
 
i interviewed at lmu-dcom today - i think it went well so i have my fingers crossed. waitlisted at CCOM , interview at LECOM erie next week, interview at TOURO-CA, and intervie at TOURO-NY yet to be scheduled...so i think i'm doing okay, just wish i had gotten more love from kcumb..🙂

my best wishes to you, all those schools are just as good. 👍
 
my friends father is a DO and he told me that KCUMB is a great program but cautioned me that a lot of kcumb's rotation sites didnt have all the rotations and that you would be moving around hospitals.. which could put u at a disadvantage when deciding on internships since youre not as well known.

can anyone elaborate on this potential problem.
 
my friends father is a DO and he told me that KCUMB is a great program but cautioned me that a lot of kcumb's rotation sites didnt have all the rotations and that you would be moving around hospitals.. which could put u at a disadvantage when deciding on internships since youre not as well known.

can anyone elaborate on this potential problem.

Interesting, so OCCE office keeps matching you constantly all through out your 3rd and 4th years???😕
 
im not sure how this works at all thats what im hoping to have answered.

but the DO i talked to said that some, not all, of kcumb's rotation sites did not have all the required rotations, and many of them dont have the subspecialties that a lot of students are interested in and its something you gotta consider before choosing.
 
I just interviewed there on Tuesday. From what I know, in 3rd year, you are matched at one hospital and spend your 3rd year there. It's your responsibility to find out about the sites and the specialties those sites have before you determine your number 1, 2, 3 choices. 4th year is when you get to move around to wherever you want.

By the way, what an impressive school. The curriculum sounds awesome and the admission staff was friendly and organized. They actually gave us information about our interviewers before we went in. Even more awesome, I'll find out their decision this Friday afternoon! Less than a week after my interview!
 
jzeidenb-

I hope that a current student can come and answer that question for you but I was wondering if the info you got is possibly outdated or is that supposedly the current situation. I only ask because it seems to me that KCUMB has dramatically changed over the past 5-7 years with hiring a new dean and changing their curriculum. They also seemed very proud of trying to put everyone in the rotation that they want although some do not get it. I think that during your third year you are put at a hospital and stay there for the duration of that year and can then change around during your fourth year, at least that's what the girl I stayed with at CT said. Their list of rotation possibilities was quite extensive especially compared to other schools I've been to who state that their purpose is primary care. The guy at KCUMB on the interview day also noted that 60% of their graduates go into specialties so I can not imagine that rotations are that limited. I do think you have to move around hospitals at every school to get the rotations you want during 4th year. I'm really trying to determine which school to put my deposit down at, mostly trying to determine between KCUMB and DCOM, so it would be really nice if we could get a conversation going about the pros and cons of KCUMB. Thanks.
 
hi t-funk, it is certainly possible that his information is outdated, however I certainly respect his opinion and it was a caution he laid out for me so I certainly want to investigate the matter further.

One thing I did come up with is that many KCUMB rotation sites (based on the information provided on the OCCE section of the website) contain specialized rotations for 4th year, however do not offer residencies in those areas.

For example, I was looking at the Newark, NJ site since it is close to home for me, they contain an Ophthalmology rotation, however no residency.

The advice i continuously get is to do your rotations where you want to do your residency. I wonder how this is possible when so many of the sites 4th year rotations and residency opportunities do not coincide.

This isnt really the original concern I brought up , but rather a new one after investigating this matter a little more.
 
making a new thread for the pros/cons ive gathered so far from the many people i've talked to:



pros:

-strong curriculum
-students perform well above avg on comlex (does anyone have usmle data?)
-outstanding/hightech/clean/new facilities
-Student opinions about their school are as favorable as any ive seen
-Theres a casino close to the school (lol jk)
-Affiliated rotation sites spread throughout the country gives you the opportunity to travel close to home after only 2 years if you are going far away to go to school here


cons:

-weather is lousy in the winter
-location is crud, high crime areas in kansas city as well as the fact that it simply does not compare to fl or socal (other places ive interviewed)
-the concern i addressed in the previous post
-very large class size (this may be a pro if youre more concerned about finding a significant other than learning medicine lol)
 
My pros and cons I would like to add:

Pros:

Can stay in KC years 3 and 4 and possibly even residency.
Clinical competency center.
Very friendly students and administration.
Spirituality/ cultural competency focus.
2nd or 3rd? DO school in country with good reputation.
Dual degree programs in business and bioethics.
High specialization rate.
Low cost of living.

Cons:

Very high tuition.
No free laptop.
 
Cons:
No free laptop.

Er, I don't really think there is such a thing as a "free laptop". Even if schools say that there is, they will pass that cost on to you in some other form or manner.

No such thing as a free lunch and all of that.
 
Firstly, I am mostly joking about the free laptop but the schools who have the laptop also service it and help out with issues and replace it if anything goes wrong AND their tuition is much lower than KCUMBs. So, even if they are passing on the cost, their tuition and fees are lower than KCUMBs. I stilll love KCUMB and am not trying to dog on it though.
 
Firstly, I am mostly joking about the free laptop but the schools who have the laptop also service it and help out with issues and replace it if anything goes wrong AND their tuition is much lower than KCUMBs. So, even if they are passing on the cost, their tuition and fees are lower than KCUMBs. I stilll love KCUMB and am not trying to dog on it though.

t-funk, what is KCUMB's tuition? I'm sure I could look it up but that would take effort. 😉
 
It was about $38,000 for this year. The fees are very reasonable though when comparing to some of the schools. But when comparing to 27,000 or 31,000 it sounds like a lot even though I believe fees at those other schools bring up the total a little more relatively.
 
my friends father is a DO and he told me that KCUMB is a great program but cautioned me that a lot of kcumb's rotation sites didnt have all the rotations and that you would be moving around hospitals.. which could put u at a disadvantage when deciding on internships since youre not as well known.

can anyone elaborate on this potential problem.

This year's core site list included over 40 locations. I reviewed the list, and saw 4 that specifically mentioned a 3rd year core block that would have to be completed at another location. This may have been more common in the past, and still exists at some sites today (seems to always be peds, ob/gyn, or psych that is not available at the core site?), but not very common.

I think the more common issue is what 4th year electives are available at the core site. Keep in mind that you have one 3rd year elective and many 4th year electives that are completely up to you in both specialty and location, and only have to be approved through the OCCE department. It is typical for med students at any school, MD or DO, to set up 4th year away rotations in specialties and programs they are considering for residency.

Not having a residency program in an elective specialty at your core site is not a big deal, unless you are completely resistant to the idea of moving between 4th year and residency. In that case, you either know what residency you are very interested in and choose a core site there, or choose one of the larger academic institutions for your core site since they offer a wide variety of residency programs. If you knew what you wanted to do, and could choose a core site at/near that location, yet were forced to travel for your 4th year electives because that core site did not offer much other than your residency specialty... that might be a pain. But I can't see that being too common. Probably more common is that you don't want to travel at all because you are married, so you pick a site where you can do the majority of your electives and only travel to a couple of potential residency programs.

One thing I should note is that perhaps 100 students in the class choose to stay in KC for rotations. There is not a single large hospital that takes all of KCUMB's students here in the city... there is a large network of hospitals, clinics, and practices that take varying numbers of students in one or more disciplines. So your specific rotation schedule and locations in KC may not look like your friend's who is also staying in KC. And a couple of the clinics may require significant travel away from the KC area for a few weeks for that rotation block, on the order of an hour or two, though housing is always arranged and they do try to ensure that no one student has multiple "commuting" blocks (they aren't all that common... but some students statistically are going to get them). Personally, "staying" in KC seems like less of a sure thing than choosing one of the other 40+ sites, but there are obviously advantages and disadvantages both ways. If you stay, you get exposure to a variety of settings, people, and residency program locations. And since you can do pretty much any residency in KC, a lot of people stay figuring it will be easier to make connections and check out the programs here vs. elsewhere.
 
It was about $38,000 for this year. The fees are very reasonable though when comparing to some of the schools. But when comparing to 27,000 or 31,000 it sounds like a lot even though I believe fees at those other schools bring up the total a little more relatively.

Wow I didn't realize it was that high! Still cheaper than AZCOM and CCOM but makes me cringe nonetheless. I wonder what it's like to start med school with little to no student loan debt. 🙄
 
Firstly, I am mostly joking about the free laptop but the schools who have the laptop also service it and help out with issues and replace it if anything goes wrong AND their tuition is much lower than KCUMBs. So, even if they are passing on the cost, their tuition and fees are lower than KCUMBs. I stilll love KCUMB and am not trying to dog on it though.

Hey, anytime I see an opportunity to put my mighty undergraduate business degree to use, I do it.

This is just about as much utility as I have gotten out of it.
 
Thanks so much for the input. I am not a Midwesterner, and I am still trying to figure out the life out there -- it is amazing how different it seemed just a couple of hours north at DMU from KCUMB. But I digress.

I should have been more specific. I can look at maps online, and reviews, etc. My question about Kansas City was more about where to live. I am married with a family, so CT is not something I want to do. I don't mind a bit of a drive. I just want a good neighborhood. I know it won't be like where I am now(overlooking a giant pasture/farm) -- but I don't want to live in downtown KC either. Where are a couple of good neighborhoods to live in with kids? I know everyone says KCUMB is in a bad part of town, but I see it as more inner city than a bad part of town. I have see many many med schools in much worse parts of cities, but having said that, one of the students on my interview day said not to live by KCUMB area...

How bad are the winters? When I was at CCOM, someone mentioned it was worse in KC than Chicago b/c there is nothing by KC(mountain, water, etc) to shield it. I can look at the weather.com averages, but that won't say anything. How well does the city handle snow? I remember living in Atlanta many years ago, and the city would shut down when there was an inch or two of snow 😕 . Compare that to Utah, where they had the whole process down.👍

Winters aren't terrible. It can get quite chilly and icy on some days, but I get more worried about being on the road with horrible drivers than anything.

As for places to live you could also check out Liberty, MO on the NE side of KC metro. It's a nice town on its own, about 20-25min from KCUMB. You can rent a 3-bedroom, 1 1/2 bath duplex for about $750. There are quite a few new houses in the Claywoods neighborhood going for $200,000-$300,000. I think Liberty has one of the best school districts in the state. There is a nice little downtown area and some great places to eat. It's also not too far from the airport.
 
I have been looking at the Liberty area. What do you think of the Gladstone area? I have a 9 and a 2 year old so I definately want a good school system. Thanks.
 
is ANYone going to live in ct if they go?
 
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