KCUMB Discussion thread 2007-2008

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I told you what I wanted. I made it perfectly clear. I have NO agenda outside of sharing what I think is pertinent information. Nobody did me that favor before I began here. I never said anything "sucked." You have a nice pair of listening filters, there, girl. I gave my impression of some issues, that's all. True, it turned out a bit more dramatic than I would have liked, but, hey, there was a lot of back and forth. I told you that I would still attend and I told you (and everyone else) that KCUMB is still a good school. It's just that it's a good practice to know what you are getting yourself into before you leap. At least I think it's good. I like making informed choices. I never said, or implied, that you shouldn't attend KCUMB. In fact, I prepared a long list of things that I think would be helpful. Key word: helpful. That's all I'm trying to be, for goodness sake.

Do you really think I'd waste my time writing all of this stuff (pages and pages) for some alleged and imaginary grudge? I suppose I can't control what others think, so I'll just let it go. I told you I'm not bitter about anything and that I'm doing well. I guess no good deed goes unpunished. I tried to give a view not often given, but now I know why it's not often given. It's often met with resistance and people just give up before they start providing this kind of feedback. There is a tendency, in my observation, for people to turn their heads the other direction and listen only to "the puppy-dog tails and bunny rabbits version" of a given story. Well, like I said, you may not think you will benefit from this, but perhaps others will. This isn't just your forum; it's everyone's. There's enough room for the both of us to exist and to share our points of view. I may be defensive, but so are you. You are trying to tack motivations and thoughts onto me that don't belong to me.


Well, I may be wrong, but if your only intention was to be helpful, you would have made your points and moved on a long time ago. We have all been through college and can read quite well and don't need it repeated over and over again. I am not defensive about anything nor have you attacked me at all until your last post so I had absolutely nothing to be defensive about. Maybe you're having issues and are reading into some sort of intent that is not and was not there. I actually quoted Radioactiv and then addressed the both of you, yet you got completely defensive and took it as if I was talking to you only. Are you Radioactiv also?

Everyone took your 'warnings' followed quite quickly by helpful and precautionary tips quite well. I, and I think others, welcomed your opinions and wanted to hear them the first 10 times. I would still like to hear them especially if they are helpful and am not into bunny rabbits and puppy dogs or whatever. I live in the real world and, guess what, the real world is full of imperfection and I can handle that. It's called coping skills. I am quite interested in hearing about KCUMB and anything that will be helpful to my success, but complaining about it is really helping no one but maybe it's making you feel better. To my knowledge, KCUMB has a great reputation, students do well on the boards and 90+% match into their top residency, and about 60% go into specialties. KCUMB is one of the few DO programs that actually has a research program. They can't be as horrible as you make it sound.
 
Well, I may be wrong, but if your only intention was to be helpful, you would have made your points and moved on a long time ago. We have all been thorugh college and can read quite well and don't need it repeated over and over again. I am not defensive about anything nor have you attacked me at all until your last post so I had absolutely nothing to be defensive about. Maybe you're having issues and are reading into some sort of intent that is not and was not there. I actually quoted Radioactiv and then addressed the both of you, yet you got completely defensive and took it as if I was talking to you only. Are you Radioactiv also?

Geez. You SDN people are so suspicious. No, I am not radioactivsci. I am my own person. Truth be told, I have no idea who this other person is. I don't know who anybody is. And, guess, what? I don't really care who they are. I hope their life is good, that's all.

Haven't you taken any psychology? I should have left, but then I got into a sparring match with Osli. Yeah, it was a bad move on my part and it probably did much to discredit my words, but hey, we all make mistakes. I fully admit mine. I'm done arguing with people.

Everyone took your 'warnings' followed quite quickly by helpful and precautionary tips quite well. I, and I think others, welcomed your opinions and wanted to hear them the first 10 times. I would still like to hear them and am not into bunny rabbits and puppy dogs or whatever. I live in the real world and, guess what, the real world is full of imperfection and I can handle that. It's called coping skills. I am quite interested in hearing about KCUMB and anything that will be helpful to my success, but complaining about it is really helping no one but maybe it's making you feel better.

I don't think what I did was complaining, but okay, I hear that you felt it was complaining. Good. I'm not responsibile for your feelings and thoughts. However, I am feeling sad that this is what my message has turned into. I will chalk this one up as a valuable lesson. In full sincerely, I'd like to thank you for your feedback and for providing me with something valuable with which to learn from. It's all about the learning process, and that's always the bottom line.
 
Also, did either one of you get sent to the professionalism office and what for? Also, as we get your point loud and clear and basically we are just going over the same things over and over again, (professors suck, people cheat, it sucks to have to be professional, it sucks to volunteer and help out the community, everyone is going to fail their boards, etc) what is your real agenda and what more do you want to accomplish that you haven't already? I turned my other acceptances down in December as did most others and I know how to make the best out of any situation, what do you really want us to do? Dislike the thought of going there so much that we don't attend? What do you want?

Do you feel like you're accomplishing something by going on and on and destroying people's confidence in the school? Everything I've heard from Osli and Spicedmanna makes it seem that they do listen and try to act on people's complaints and they are constantly changing and trying to improve which is why it may seem disorganized at times. Rather, why don't we start talking about how to improve things and make it better for our class instead of complaining?

I have been sent to the Professionalism office for not checking my email often enough. She never defined what often enough was, nor could she give us a reason why this was considered unprofessional. Her best example was to equate it to a dying patient in the ICU needs your help and the attending can't get ahold of you. This was a ridiculous statement since my email is used for personal use and if I were working the ICU I would have a pager and I wouldn't be checking my email to see if my patient is in distress. With that said, none of the 20 people called into her office were ever told previously that not checking your email was unprofessional. Yet there is a possibility that this will be on our record. Isn't it scary to think that this school cares more for you checking your email than it does for compassion towards the students.

We have tried to make things better by making appointments with the proper authorities within the school. The appear to hear our concerns and say they will get back to us, but then fail to do so even after repeated attempts to try to resolve issues.

My point, as others have also said, is NOT to tell you to TURN down your position at the school. I want what no one else was brave enough to tell me when I spoke to students on campus...THE TRUTH. You think that the few people here are the only ones with major issues concerning the school, then you can pretend all you want. The truth is, this school, AS WELL AS OTHERS, have many problems. Wouldn't you rather know what problems they have before getting yourself into it. As doctors we have to provide enough information for our patients to make an informed decision. Shouldn't we be allowed the same opportunity to make an informed decision. I might have chosen another school with a different problem set that fit my personality better or I might have still chosen this one. Who knows, it really isn't the point anymore. I feel that it is my duty to inform future students of what they are getting themselves into because there are too many meek people out there who won't stand up for anything. Therefore they fall for everything.
 
i sorta agree with tfunk that enough is enough. its not that i have any problem with what you two are saying but it is becoming a bit of a circular discussion now. I think it would be more helpful if you answered specific questions that premeds ask in this thread. We definitely understand and appreciate your perspective of kcumb by now and know what we need to know now that you did not get to learn before attending. But i do think its time to let it go and get back to the question answer format here.
 
Well, then, ask. If I know the answer I'll give it to the best of my knowledge and if I don't, I'll try to refer you to the proper source.
 
well ill reask the question i asked i think on page six that got lost in all of this..


do you know the last day of the first year's schedule? im askin bc my sister is abroad in italy next spring and im hoping to visit her b4 she comes back
 
well ill reask the question i asked i think on page six that got lost in all of this..


do you know the last day of the first year's schedule? im askin bc my sister is abroad in italy next spring and im hoping to visit her b4 she comes back

From what I can tell, the last day is May 16th. This is the day where you take your cumulative final and shelf exam.
 
Well, thank you for trying to inform myself and others. I really do appreciate it. The info really has made me think but I think more than anything, it has made me less excited about going to KCUMB, and that makes me a little upset. I am a realist by nature and tend to see things very matter of factly. I understand very well the desire to see things analytically and 'truthfully'. However, I also believe in 'faking it until you make it' and seeing things through a rose colored glass because sometimes that approach can, in essence, change reality and change your perspective on everything. So, what I want to know is now that I have this information, what am I, or others, supposed to do with it? How can we turn this negative info about poor quality professors into a positive? What benefit is 'knowing the truth' going to make? Maybe I could decide to go to a different school but there is likely going to be problems there that people will complain about. Maybe I pick a different school that is 100% perfect, well that's not very good either bc I may wander through life expecting everything to be perfect and set myself up to be unhappy forever. Is that beneficial to me? I don't know, just rambling. Anyway, thanks for the info and I guess I consider myself forewarned. Is there anything we can do to make a difference or make it better?
 
Well, thank you for trying to inform myself and others. I really do appreciate it. The info really has made me think but I think more than anything, it has made me less excited about going to KCUMB, and that makes me a little upset. I am a realist by nature and tend to see things very matter of factly. I understand very well the desire to see things analytically and 'truthfully'. However, I also believe in 'faking it until you make it' and seeing things through a rose colored glass because sometimes that approach can, in essence, change reality and change your perspective on everything. So, what I want to know is now that I have this information, what am I, or others, supposed to do with it? How can we turn this negative info about poor quality professors into a positive? What benefit is 'knowing the truth' going to make? Maybe I could decide to go to a different school but there is likely going to be problems there that people will complain about. Maybe I pick a different school that is 100% perfect, well that's not very good either bc I may wander through life expecting everything to be perfect and set myself up to be unhappy forever. Is that beneficial to me? I don't know, just rambling. Anyway, thanks for the info and I guess I consider myself forewarned. Is there anything we can do to make a difference or make it better?

You know, I like your attitude. It's rare that people are this proactive. 👍 That's the number one thing that will help you through the issues. Don't be the silent majority. Most folks get tired and don't write their CQI in a way that hits the issues squarely. There are forums in which you can tell the administration what you see. They make changes by majority, so the more people talk about the problems in an insightful and constructive way, the more likely things will be changed. Just don't get stuck opting out of the CQI, or worse, writing crap because you've just finished a whole slough of exams and are now tired and bitter.

In terms of how to do well, despite some holes in instruction, being an independent learner sure helps. I've found the BRS series very helpful and I can't recommend this material highly enough. Get the help of tutors for anatomy, OMM, pathology, and maybe even physiology. The tutors have been an invaluable resource and they have saved my *** more than once. Join ACOFP and UAAO for their mock practicals. Believe me, it's worth it. If this sort of thing works for you, try going over stuff with friends.

Don't get too caught up with the administration's BS. It might make you angry from time to time, but just let it go and focus on your studies. Yeah, it's a load of crap, but there isn't much that anybody can do about it. Just lay low and move onto residency, without a hitch. Don't keep yourself bottled up; talk to people you trust and let them help you through stuff.

ERF often doesn't lecture on the material he's going to test on. He'll show a Marlboro man movie, or some sort of slide show, "Pathology at work," but then test you on something totally different. Make sure you review quizbank, his old tests, and look at as many slides/pictures of histopathology as you can. Sign up for his sign-outs early. Also, the pathology assistants are very helpful. Use them.

In term of anatomy, spend a lot of time in the anatomy lab. Print out the required items and find them over and over again on different cadavers and make sure to work with your tutor. In anatomy, the format, or how you answer, is often as important as what the answer is. Make sure you get the format down.

In terms of the not so good physiology professor, well, read books to understand what he is talking about. Don't sweat his lectures too much; they are definitely confusing, so don't feel bad if you are confused by his notes and words. Work with a tutor to decode his craziness. I found the BRS physiology to be a good outline and then I read Ganong.

In term of IM, don't neglect the schemes, they show up on exams. You may roll your eyes when you look at them, but the school thinks they are important. Go to the IDC's they can be helpful, depending on who gives them. Make sure you start practicing EKG's as soon as you learn them in Cardio. It's going to pay back in spades.

I learned embryology completely from BRS embryology. I'd recommend at least supplementing with that.

OMM: print out the OSCE and preread about the techniques and principles. Don't blow off the quizzes, they may only sting, but at the end it's like 20 stings; it can hurt your grade if you aren't prepared for them. Also, buy a table or spend some time after school in the lab practicing with tutors, second years, or friends. It helps so much. Don't wait until the last moment.

Read your immunology book.

If I can think of other helpful hints, I'll continue to post them.
 
In conjunction with the academic stuff mentioned above, I'd like to also recommend a POV shift as well. If you are like me and you are used to a more liberal environment, you'll likely feel like you are kind of in a harsh place at first; this isn't the west coast. However, you just need to understand that it's not just the school, the area itself is a bit more conservative and traditional. The school does exacerbate it a bit, but this is inline with the area. Just remember to take a breath and let it go, even if people get down on you for something stupid and trivial, like checking your mailbox infrequently, for wearing scrubs that don't match, for not talking nicely enough to people, for laughing at the "wrong" times, for writing "butt muscle," or something of the sort, on your anatomy practical sheet because you couldn't remember the name for the gluteus major m. It's not worth your anger. Remember this is your ride, not theirs. 🙂
 
Thanks. Just to let you know, I will most likely print this out and your other post with tips out and put them in my notebook or backpack somehwhere. I really am listening. 👍
 
thanks endocardium, this is what we pre-meds need.

i'm still not sure if kcumb is where i'll end up (still waiting to hear from one school), but i'm trying to get as many tips as possible. as an aside, it looks like i'll be paying the $1000 deposit before i hear from my #1 choice. kcumb wants the deposit feb 22 and my #1 decides on feb 24. might be $1000 down the drain, but at least i'll know that i'm going somewhere in the fall (if i get waitlisted at my #1, the kcumb will want another $1000 in march and i'll have to re-evaluate. i'm hoping that doesn't happen.).

once again, thanks to everyone (that includes you, endocardium and radioactivesci) for all the info. we all have differing perspectives and different experiences... the best thing is to bring everything together to get a good picture.

good luck to everyone.
 
Thanks. Just to let you know, I will most likely print this out and your other post with tips out and put them in my notebook or backpack somehwhere. I really am listening. 👍

Glad I can help. Thanks for the invitation to get more constructive.
 
thanks endocardium, this is what we pre-meds need.

i'm still not sure if kcumb is where i'll end up (still waiting to hear from one school), but i'm trying to get as many tips as possible. as an aside, it looks like i'll be paying the $1000 deposit before i hear from my #1 choice. kcumb wants the deposit feb 22 and my #1 decides on feb 24. might be $1000 down the drain, but at least i'll know that i'm going somewhere in the fall (if i get waitlisted at my #1, the kcumb will want another $1000 in march and i'll have to re-evaluate. i'm hoping that doesn't happen.).

once again, thanks to everyone (that includes you, endocardium and radioactivesci) for all the info. we all have differing perspectives and different experiences... the best thing is to bring everything together to get a good picture.

good luck to everyone.


dont feel bad. i will have had made BOTH deposits before i hear from my state school and go for my last interview in late march lol
 
dont feel bad. i will have had made BOTH deposits before i hear from my state school and go for my last interview in late march lol

nice to know i'm not the only one...

i'm really torn because i liked kcumb when i was up there (and i really like the systems based curriculum) but my state school is just SO much cheaper.

sheesh... it's gonna be a long month or so.
 
nice to know i'm not the only one...

i'm really torn because i liked kcumb when i was up there (and i really like the systems based curriculum) but my state school is just SO much cheaper.

sheesh... it's gonna be a long month or so.

Yeah, I remember this part of the process. It does bite. Then, again, get used to it and to developing a great deal of patience. There's much more later. 😉
 
4th year here. A lot of the stuff about the first two years seems like a blur to me as when you hit 3rd year you find your focus completely shifting.

I just wanted to chime in about Physiology and a certain professor. We all know that the first two years of med school is basically a game. You're trying to max out your GPA and class rank and a lot of times the quality of professors is based on how they help you achieve this ie how easy their test questions are. I will not lie, a lot of the first two years are spent trying to find ways to efficiently use your time. ie well I could spend 3 hours trying to learn this one physio lecture or I could spend the same amount of time and learn all my pharmacology for tripple the points. It probably shouldn't be that way but it is and it is like that at all schools. About this physiology teacher so many have commented on. I liked him. His questions were true physiology questions. They were 2nd or 3rd order questions forcing you to truly understand the whole picture. Simply asking someone what alpha one receptors do is not physiology it's rote memorization. Now asking the affects of CHF on alpha one receptors now thats physiology! Unfortunately that also takes hours upon hours to learn which many people associate with poor teaching.

So why is this so important? Well during your 3rd and 4th year when trying to impress your attending it's that kind of understanding of physiology and pathophysiology that will make you shine. All the rote memorization you used to boost your GPA and class rank is old hat on rotations. No one cares that you memorized every cardiovascular drug known to man or that you can name off the most obscure diseases. But if you can explain the physiology behind things you will be a star. For instance I've had attendings from several specialties try to recruit me after hearing me explain physiology about random disease states. One resident on my evaluation once put "This student is smarter than most attendings I work with." A friend of mine on a sub I once rambled something off about the physiology of sepsis and why we do each intervention. Later that day the program director called him into his office and offered him a contract to sign with the program before the match!

This was post was not meant to call anybody out. There were definitely professors who could of been better. But I think this certain physio professor gets a bad rap. Partly because the nature of physiology (it's a hard subject) and because the way the medical education is set up.

Too people who are incoming if you want to really learn physiology get yourself a copy of Baby Guyton, a dry erase board, and get ready to spend a good amount of time banging your head against the wall. It's frustrating especially when you're classmates will just memorize a powerpoint slde while you are there trying to figure out why things work, but come time for boards and rotations you will be well prepared to shine.
 
nice to know i'm not the only one...

i'm really torn because i liked kcumb when i was up there (and i really like the systems based curriculum) but my state school is just SO much cheaper.

sheesh... it's gonna be a long month or so.

I'm also waiting for my state school and probably won't know anything until March 15th, the day the second deposit is due. My state school is 1/2 the price and I don't have to move, so I will go there if accepted but I actually felt like I'd have just as many opportunities, if not more, at KCUMB. My state school is systems based with PBL so the curriculum is pretty similar.
 
I just wanted to chime in about Physiology and a certain professor. We all know that the first two years of med school is basically a game. You're trying to max out your GPA and class rank and a lot of times the quality of professors is based on how they help you achieve this ie how easy their test questions are. I will not lie, a lot of the first two years are spent trying to find ways to efficiently use your time. ie well I could spend 3 hours trying to learn this one physio lecture or I could spend the same amount of time and learn all my pharmacology for tripple the points. It probably shouldn't be that way but it is and it is like that at all schools. About this physiology teacher so many have commented on. I liked him. His questions were true physiology questions. They were 2nd or 3rd order questions forcing you to truly understand the whole picture. Simply asking someone what alpha one receptors do is not physiology it's rote memorization. Now asking the affects of CHF on alpha one receptors now thats physiology! Unfortunately that also takes hours upon hours to learn which many people associate with poor teaching.

I agree pretty much in full, except with the quality of teaching delivered by the person in question. I really hate calling people out, but it wasn't his questions that bothered me, I liked them just fine, but the fact that the presentation of the ideas were a complete jumbled mess and the powerpoints were everywhere. And that's my professional assessment. I'm no stranger to physiology and even I was confused walking out of the lectures. Whatever, though. I suppose viewpoints vary. I didn't complain that much. I just did what I needed to do to pick up the pieces. I managed to do quite well in physio, despite everything. Maybe it was different back then, but things seemed to be presented in a way, at least when I experienced them, that made it harder to understand (jumbled diagrams, rambling, unclarity, sometimes not getting to critical elements, etc.).

Anyway, enough about professors. We can't change that. Thank you for sharing your wisdom. You are absolutely correct that the pre-clinicals years are a game. It's about maximizing stuff and making the most out of things. Definitely try to learn for your later benefit, for understanding, and not just for the points like it's so tempting to do.

So why is this so important? Well during your 3rd and 4th year when trying to impress your attending it's that kind of understanding of physiology and pathophysiology that will make you shine. All the rote memorization you used to boost your GPA and class rank is old hat on rotations. No one cares that you memorized every cardiovascular drug known to man or that you can name off the most obscure diseases. But if you can explain the physiology behind things you will be a star. For instance I've had attendings from several specialties try to recruit me after hearing me explain physiology about random disease states. One resident on my evaluation once put "This student is smarter than most attendings I work with." A friend of mine on a sub I once rambled something off about the physiology of sepsis and why we do each intervention. Later that day the program director called him into his office and offered him a contract to sign with the program before the match!

👍

This was post was not meant to call anybody out. There were definitely professors who could of been better. But I think this certain physio professor gets a bad rap. Partly because the nature of physiology (it's a hard subject) and because the way the medical education is set up.

Maybe you are right. Perhaps there's something going on that I don't know about that is creating an unfavorable situation. Like I said, maybe things were different back then, but the consensus pretty much, at least now and by my assessment, is that he leaves much to be desired. But, whatever, he's not the limiting factor. We are our own. Do what it takes to learn it, regardless. That's the bottomline. For me it was using BRS as an outline, reading Ganong, doing Google/literature searches, and making clinical correlates.

Too people who are incoming if you want to really learn physiology get yourself a copy of Baby Guyton, a dry erase board, and get ready to spend a good amount of time banging your head against the wall. It's frustrating especially when you're classmates will just memorize a powerpoint slde while you are there trying to figure out why things work, but come time for boards and rotations you will be well prepared to shine.

I agree. Favor understanding; it'll pay off in spades.
 
I'm feeling pretty uncomfortable talking about specific professors. I don't think my discussion in this regard is that beneficial. You should develop your own point of view from your own experience. I'm going to refrain from doing so from now on. Forgive me for indulging in something that isn't that constructive or transformational.
 
I should have left, but then I got into a sparring match with Osli.
Sorry about that. I wasn't sure I wanted to step back into this thread in the first place, but it seemed like a little balance of perspectives was needed. I think it is human nature that we see things different ways (typically, how we want to see them). I laugh when two men from the same religion, same church, same socioeconomic status, good friends, etc. can't even come close to agreeing about presidential candidates and then people ask why we as a nation can't seem to agree on politics! Ha!

Anyway, a lot of good practical advice from endo. And I will have to agree about the one physio professor - it is rare that I can walk out of a lecture understanding less than I did before I went in, but this one guy can make it happen. Fortunately, IMO, he's the only one at the school that has this particular gift, and you really only get him in one section first year and for a scattering of lectures second year. He actually knows his stuff quite well, and has the ability to guide you to a better understanding if you first learn to interpret his particular vernacular (and I don't mean in a non-native English speaker way, but in a "if he says up think down" sort of way). Most students don't have the time or energy to do that, or just never figure it out, which is very understandable.

radioactivesci - I thought the school made it very clear that email was an official means of communication, and that very important notices would be sent out this way and it is the responsibility of students to keep current and keep informed. I guess the real problem is that they apparently didn't make that clear enough if some 10% of the class by your account didn't get it. I hope you let them know that they should improve in this area for orientation week.

t-funk - the best thing you can do is to be proactive. Figure out early if you think there are any areas where you aren't getting the instruction you deserve, and then (1) get a tutor, (2) bring the issue to both CQI and to the administration, (3) approach the professor if you are willing to put that much energy into it and see if they can clarify for you (it is possible they just don't realize how jumbled a certain slide or lecture might be, and you could be doing the class behind you a favor by bringing it to their attention), and (4) get a quality resource text, whether primary or review, to supplement your notes in that one area.
 
To add a fresh change of pace to this thread I have a rather non important question. In regards to "the white coat" that we were fitted for at our interview, do we get like a plastic name tag pin thing or our names actually on the coats. I know some schools actually embroider (sp.?) them for entering students, and others get a plastic tag. IMO the embroider looks infinitly more professional than the tag. 😎
 
To add a fresh change of pace of this thread I have a rather non important question. In regards to "the white coat" that we were fitted for at our interview, do we get like a plastic name tag pin thing or our names actually on the coats. I know some schools actually embroider (sp.?) them for entering students, and others get a plastic tag. IMO the embroider looks infinitly more professional than the tag. 😎

Good question, actually. You don't get anything identifiable, just a plain white coat, with a standard lapel pin ("Humanism in Medicine"). I've never seen anybody actually embroider them. Recently, the class of 2010 sold plastic/magnetic name tags that you can wear with your coat, but that's way after the ceremony.
 
thats a good thing, i dont want my name on the coat... bc then people will try to pronounce it and its pitiful
 
well my initials are j-z, so ill just tell everyone im a rapper, or Dr. J
 
Do you think we could get them embroidered ourselves? I would probably be interested if it was allowed.
 
Do you think we could get them embroidered ourselves? I would probably be interested if it was allowed.

Im with ya t-funk. For me its not that it looks more "prestigous", just more professional. Anyone involved with the medical community pretty much knows what the shorter coat means. Maybe once we get there, we can 1) ask if its ok or 2) voice as a student body to get them all embroidered. 👍
 
Do you think we could get them embroidered ourselves? I would probably be interested if it was allowed.

Like I said, I've never seen anybody do it, but this doesn't mean it can't be done. I imagine it would be fine, but you might want to run it by LeAnn Carlton at Student Affairs before you go ahead and do it.
 
Im with ya t-funk. For me its not that it looks more "prestigous", just more professional. Anyone involved with the medical community pretty much knows what the shorter coat means. Maybe once we get there, we can 1) ask if its ok or 2) voice as a student body to get them all embroidered. 👍

I would definitely be for that!
 
I have been sent to the Professionalism office for not checking my email often enough. She never defined what often enough was, nor could she give us a reason why this was considered unprofessional. Her best example was to equate it to a dying patient in the ICU needs your help and the attending can't get ahold of you. This was a ridiculous statement since my email is used for personal use and if I were working the ICU I would have a pager and I wouldn't be checking my email to see if my patient is in distress. With that said, none of the 20 people called into her office were ever told previously that not checking your email was unprofessional. Yet there is a possibility that this will be on our record. Isn't it scary to think that this school cares more for you checking your email than it does for compassion towards the students.

We have tried to make things better by making appointments with the proper authorities within the school. The appear to hear our concerns and say they will get back to us, but then fail to do so even after repeated attempts to try to resolve issues.

My point, as others have also said, is NOT to tell you to TURN down your position at the school. I want what no one else was brave enough to tell me when I spoke to students on campus...THE TRUTH. You think that the few people here are the only ones with major issues concerning the school, then you can pretend all you want. The truth is, this school, AS WELL AS OTHERS, have many problems. Wouldn't you rather know what problems they have before getting yourself into it. As doctors we have to provide enough information for our patients to make an informed decision. Shouldn't we be allowed the same opportunity to make an informed decision. I might have chosen another school with a different problem set that fit my personality better or I might have still chosen this one. Who knows, it really isn't the point anymore. I feel that it is my duty to inform future students of what they are getting themselves into because there are too many meek people out there who won't stand up for anything. Therefore they fall for everything.

Its getting late, so I'll make my reply pretty quick.
I'll be honest, the Professionalism watch they have at school is pretty ridiculous at times. I've been on the wrong end of it once (maybe twice), and it was NOT a good experience. I felt like I was scolded for a complete non-issue (basically, that some secretary had decided to be pissy with me in particular that day). Worse part, the letter that was sent to me made it feel like I was already branded guilty and would have the dean write something official to my permanent transcript.

The reality was... it ended up being not that bad at all. The person I sat with assured me that 1) the professionalism system is designed primarily as a teaching tool to alert the administration of possible behavioral issues that could arise once the student does go onto rotations, 2) individual minor lapses are NOT written down on any official statement attached to students that graduate, 3) select members of the administrative staff admittedly do have a reputation of liberally dispensing minor lapses without regard to the effect on the student.

Don't get me wrong, it SUCKS being on the receiving end. But in the grand scheme of things, its relatively benign and only messes with your pride for a few days.
 
dodoc2b said:
The downward spiral continues... within the past year KCUMB lost BOTH of its surgeon lecturers along with the entire surgery residency, so other clinicians gave the lectures. TRUST ME, you want REAL surgeons to teach you their craft. You'll appreciate it once you get into your rotations! As if that wasn't enough, KCUMB recently lost ALL its residency programs & is NOT interested in reinitiating them. What does this mean to you? It means that you are the odd-man-out when you are in clinicals standing next to someone from another school that actually has residencies. Especially when our school has been around for 90 years, we're expected to have a post-grad med. ed. program. (It isn't quite the same for students from the newest DO schools- the Docs know that these programs will be there soon.) For $37K/yr what are you really getting? There are too many other truly GREAT osteopathic schools around. At these places, your tuition money goes to your education FIRST. Instead, KCUMB seems to have a fascination with building pretty buildings that mainly house researchers. Until, KCUMB steps up to the plate and puts its educational quality first, there's NO WAY it can compete w/ other schools!

Alright, Im confused. How did KCUMB 'lose residency programs'. KCUMB grads, like all other DO schools can apply to AOA and Allo match programs. KCUMB doesnt have a main medical center of its own but thats no front page news. How did it lose residencies?
 
Alright, Im confused. How did KCUMB 'lose residency programs'. KCUMB grads, like all other DO schools can apply to AOA and Allo match programs. KCUMB doesnt have a main medical center of its own but thats no front page news. How did it lose residencies?

I think the OP was referring to when one of it's major local affiliates closed and merged with another hospital to become Centerpointe. KCUMB probably used that hospital as a core rotation site as well as a local residency program site. That's pretty much all I know.

PS: Sorry, Diver, I accidentally hit the 'edit post' button. 😳
 
Quick question. Are the any issues with Mac compatibility as far as online materials are concerned? I know some schools have a fairly involved online system that doesn't favor Mac (i.e. Safari, Quicktime, etc).

Anybody have an issues with this? I'm a Mac user and am extremely reluctant to switch back unless it's going to make med school even a little harder.
 
Quick question. Are the any issues with Mac compatibility as far as online materials are concerned? I know some schools have a fairly involved online system that doesn't favor Mac (i.e. Safari, Quicktime, etc).

Anybody have an issues with this? I'm a Mac user and am extremely reluctant to switch back unless it's going to make med school even a little harder.

dont switch, use parallels or bootcamp if u absolutely MUST have a windows program. thats what im doing. theres nothing my macbook pro cant run
 
Quick question. Are the any issues with Mac compatibility as far as online materials are concerned? I know some schools have a fairly involved online system that doesn't favor Mac (i.e. Safari, Quicktime, etc).

Anybody have an issues with this? I'm a Mac user and am extremely reluctant to switch back unless it's going to make med school even a little harder.

Yes, there are likely to be some issues. My roommate has a Mac. It works most of the time, but sometimes it isn't easily compatible with this or that. However, she gets by. When there is an issue, she boots the Windows side of her Mac and it resolves. Therefore, if you want to stick with Mac, I'd go with jzeidenb's suggestion to get one that dual boots.

Safari sucks, by the way, and a lot of websites have problems with it. Most websites and programs are optimized for explorer and/or mozilla and/or some similar clone.

Also, there is an infamous DOS program (quizbank) that ERF recommends using, which will not run on your MacOS, unless you have some sort of emulator. There are occasional online presentations that won't work on Macs.

Other than that, I think you can do okay, but definitely get a Mac that dual boots.
 
I interviewed at KCUMB on the 17th of january. god damn do they interview alot of people lol... there were like 25 kids there. being a young adrenaline junky it seemed like a better fit than kcom. Interview only lasted 10-15 minutes which was good. Campus closes down at midnight which sucks for those of us that like to study late. The city as a whole is very nice, something for everyone. I dont know for sure but i think at either kcom or kcumb they have dress codes?? get that ish outta here!

While waiting for the interview I talked with a group of kids there. One guy asked the infamous "how'd you guys do on ur mcat?" everyone was like 'umm you know high 20s' and then when i mentioned my score (higher than them) they kinda just stared like what are you doing here?

Then a first year girl came by and was like "yeah my professor has a weird accent but i dont know what it is, its either australian or austrian, what country is arnold schwarzenegger from??" We were all sitting there dumbfounded as to how she got in lol.
 
Campus closes down at midnight which sucks for those of us that like to study late.

You learn to make it work.

The city as a whole is very nice, something for everyone. I dont know for sure but i think at either kcom or kcumb they have dress codes?? get that ish outta here!

I can't speak for KCOM, but, yes, KCUMB does have a dress code. It's pretty much a non-issue. We dress either in matching scrubs (for non-formal events) and business dress with white coat for the more formal events, or non-formal events, too, if you prefer. Most will wear scrubs. Eventually, students degrade into wearing scrub pants and KCUMB t-shirts/sweat-shirts. The school doesn't appear to be too picky about it, except for the formal events.

While waiting for the interview I talked with a group of kids there. One guy asked the infamous "how'd you guys do on ur mcat?" everyone was like 'umm you know high 20s' and then when i mentioned my score (higher than them) they kinda just stared like what are you doing here?

Eh, whatever. As a whole, I think average numbers are increasing, probably owing to increased competition. It's not that important anyway. Nobody talks about the MCAT post-matriculation. So whatever. You are back to square one come first year. You'll quickly learn that medical school is a whole other ball game.

Then a first year girl came by and was like "yeah my professor has a weird accent but i dont know what it is, its either australian or austrian, what country is arnold schwarzenegger from??" We were all sitting there dumbfounded as to how she got in lol.

We don't have a professor from Germany, as far as I know. We have a Russian professor who teaches immunology.

Give the girl some slack. Let's see how your brain measures up after close to a year of medical school craziness. :meanie:
 
Hey, guys! Does anyone know what type of opportunities are out there for the summer between first and second year? I'd love to be able to do research abroad or some type of mission trip. If you've heard of the school sponsoring/ supporting this type of thing, I would really be interested in hearing about it!
 
Hey, guys! Does anyone know what type of opportunities are out there for the summer between first and second year? I'd love to be able to do research abroad or some type of mission trip. If you've heard of the school sponsoring/ supporting this type of thing, I would really be interested in hearing about it!

I asked that question during my interview. Dr. Seilder said there are mission trips available. I want to say he mentioned something about Mexico, but I can't remember. It was something I was going to ask during orientation week. As far as research goes... keine Idee, Fraulein. Maybe someone else knows.
 
I asked that question during my interview. Dr. Seilder said there are mission trips available. I want to say he mentioned something about Mexico, but I can't remember. It was something I was going to ask during orientation week. As far as research goes... keine Idee, Fraulein. Maybe someone else knows.

The only school-sponsored medical mission trip I am aware of is through DOCARE, which makes an annual trip to Guatemala. In terms of research, you'll have to contact individual professors at the school. I know of at least one pair of researchers (at least this year) at our school, going on a research trip to Brazil to gather data. There is a formal research fellowship at KCUMB.
 
I just got my acceptance letter and I am super excited. I just loved this school when I interviewed! Now I can finally enjoy the next few months!:hardy:
 
I just got my acceptance letter and I am super excited. I just loved this school when I interviewed! Now I can finally enjoy the next few months!:hardy:

Yay! Congratulations, KCUMB rocks! :zip: Are you for sure going to KCUMB?
 
congrats kimmi! welcome to the team
 
Hey, guys, I have an upcoming interview. Are we required to attend 8-9am cofee meeting? Or 9am is fine. I do not want to be the only person who does not show up to that.
 
You don't need to show up for the coffee talk. I didn't show up till around 8:40. Although that's because I took the KCUMB van from my hotel to the school. But that made it clear that the coffee talk isn't required.
 
Not at all, it's mainly for if you want to bring your parents along too. They get coffee + nice little speech about the school
 
Hey, guys, I have an upcoming interview. Are we required to attend 8-9am cofee meeting? Or 9am is fine. I do not want to be the only person who does not show up to that.

Come in to the coffee talk with an interesting story. I had to change a flat tire the morning of my interview and got stuck on I-70 cause some 18-wheeler knife-jacked in the road and made it just in time to get semi-composed... but then the VP said "Mr. Kyle has an interesting story for everyone." Thanks, guy.
 
For the students currently attending KCUMB, what is your opinion on the class size? I for one usually suck when I am in large classes but when I was there for the interview, they made it seem like it was a non issue. I realize that group study is a huge must, but I'm still concerned at the class size. I'm hoping that its not like undergrad where you get lost in the class size and have limited teacher interaction. Is it like that, and what is the student-teacher ration? Thanks for the info, this is probably my biggest hangup towards going to this school.
 
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