LECOM - Bradenton Discussion thread 2007-2008

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South Austin is the best! How are you moving your stuff? I am thinking of renting a uhaul trailer if I can fit my stuff in there. I may need help unloading though - I have friends here to load up but when I get to Florida it may be challenging lifting my couch and armoir - perhaps I can recruit a few strong arms. I don't have much stuff. Of course I have to find a roommate and a place to live first <a href="http://img.studentdoctor.net/images/smilies/cloversmile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="luckie" smilieid="30" class="inlineimg" />

I can't access facebook when I am on my work server so I will be on there less often but still check it out from time to time. BTW, I am game for the sandbar on the 25th or whatever everyone decides on!!!

have fun with the fam!!

Hey send me a PM with your email and send you info on my house when I get back home tomorrow. I'm still looking for a roommate too.
 
After a little over 6 yrs of work, I finally gave my official resignation letter few mins. ago. Why am I saying it here? Is it TMI (Too much info)? Well, don't know. I guess I am a bit nervous, a bit bored and some of you are my facebook friends!

I finally settled to move with a mover - moving around 18th of July.

See you all on 28th if not before.

S.
 
We're facebook friends?! Who are you? I'm friends with almost everyone in the group and I don't know which one you are T_T
 
We're facebook friends?! Who are you? I'm friends with almost everyone in the group and I don't know which one you are T_T

And I know exactly who you are on my facebook. Don't worry, we will meet. I am probably one of the most boring people you will meet at our class. So, nothing interesting!

S.
 
...... I will find out who you are. I was an RA for college students for 3 years. You underestimate my sleuthing ability.
 
Welcome SnowTex to class of 2012, and regarding a get-together, it's the friday before class starts at 6:30pm at Applebee's right? I will be there drinking the last drop of alcohol for the next year, at least!

Anyway, every day this week I check my e-mail anxiously and ...........................................nothing! One more week of waiting for financial aid, patience is definitely not my virtue! :meanie:

I am quitting my job on July 17th, after working there almost three years too, so don't be nervous everybody who's gotta quit their jobs!
 
I will need additional time to pour through the previous threads and posts. I will figure this out!
 
Ahahahaha! I think I have it figured out! I'll send you a PM with my suspicions. Have a great day.
 
We got a Health Insurance email from Heather.
 
Hahaha thanks! 🙂 This health insurance information makes me get excited about more information coming to us. Also, I was shown the updated 2008-09 Financial Aid information on the LECOM page. To find it, follow these steps:

1) Go to "http://www.lecom.edu/search.php"
2) In the search box, type "2012"
3) Click the 4th link titled "Your Cost for Attending the College of Medicine in Bradenton"
4) Scroll down to Class of 2012

Hope that helps some people!
 
hey, one of my good friend is going to be in your class. keep an eye out for a Vietnamese guy named Phung.. a funny guy!!!
 
I was looking through the medical insurance info that we got today, and on the waiver form it mentioned dental insurance, but I thought that there was no dental. So, is there or is there not dental coverage?

BTW, this medical plan is really good (having had to deal with insurance companies and their crap for a long time both personally and working in a doctors office).
 
I was looking through the medical insurance info that we got today, and on the waiver form it mentioned dental insurance, but I thought that there was no dental. So, is there or is there not dental coverage?

BTW, this medical plan is really good (having had to deal with insurance companies and their crap for a long time both personally and working in a doctors office).

I haven't looked at the info yet (about to now), but don't most health plans cover a portion of MAJOR dental work? Cleanings/fillings/etc. usually not covered on health. Anyways, maybe this is why the waiver is asking. OK, now I'll go check it out.
 
I was looking through the medical insurance info that we got today, and on the waiver form it mentioned dental insurance, but I thought that there was no dental. So, is there or is there not dental coverage?

BTW, this medical plan is really good (having had to deal with insurance companies and their crap for a long time both personally and working in a doctors office).

We didn't have dental last year. I heard some talk about trying to get some sort of dental coverage possibly by going through what SOMA offers but I haven't heard any more than that. It's possible that something got added for this year.

Which health plan is it? Should still be BCBS, but is it a no deductible one with something like $10 primary care visit co-pay or is there a deductible with slightly higher co-pays?
 
I haven't looked at the info yet (about to now), but don't most health plans cover a portion of MAJOR dental work? Cleanings/fillings/etc. usually not covered on health. Anyways, maybe this is why the waiver is asking. OK, now I'll go check it out.

Medical insurance covers dental that is due to accident usually, so if you fall and knock out a few teeth, they will pay. There are a bunch of circumstances that they will pay a portion, mostly related to oral surgery, but in general they do not pay for cavities, which I am really prone to (going in for a filling on Tues) and so is my son.

I'm just trying to weigh the plans. We have a crappy health insurance through my husbands work, which is costing us about the same as the school's plan however that includes dental. If we had dental with the school plan it would be a no-brainer.
 
To those of you discussing the health plan, remember the post scpod made awhile back regarding a change in the LECOM Student Health Insurance Plan. Not quite sure if this will change any of your thoughts but the changes take place August 1st, 2008 as indicated in the quote.

I'm not quite sure where this "survey" thing came from because I certainly never saw it.... but appaently the student body elected to keep the same yearly rate for insurance and pay more out-of-pocket when you use it. It doesn't affect me because I rarely go to the doctor. I have to be near death to go see one, and even then I generally have to be dragged kicking and screaming. For those of you who make frequent visits, however, I wanted to make sure that you get to look at the new changes in case you want to investigate other opportunities. Here's the email:

Dear LECOM Students:

The LECOM Administration presented the option to the Student Government Association to maintain the current benefits in the LECOM Student Health Insurance Plan with an increase in the yearly rate or to maintain the current yearly rate and change the benefits/deductibles to the plan. The SGA surveyed the students and by a vote of 2 to 1, the students wanted to maintain the current yearly rate although it will change the policy copays and deductibles.

The following changes will be made to the LECOM Student Health Insurance Policy in order to maintain the current yearly rates for the plan:

Office visits copay from $10.00/Primary $10/Specialist will be increased to $20.00/Primary $40/Specialist

Add $250/$500 in-network deductible (currently everything is covered at 100%) and $500/$1,000 out-of-network deductible, 8/20 co-insurance to a maximum of $1,500/$3,000 (currently $250/$500 - 80/20 out of network, 80/20 co-insurance to a maximum of $1,500/$3,000)

Current prescription drug copay from $5 generic copayment /$20 brand copayment Mandatory Generic to $10 generic copayment /$15 formulary brand copayment/$40 copayment brand by choice non-formulary, mandatory generic. These are for a 31-day supply at the retail level. Mail order copayments double the retail copayments for a 90-day supply.


THESE CHANGES WILL TAKE PLACE ON AUGUST 1, 2008 FOR ALL MEDICAL STUDENTS IN ERIE AND FLORIDA, AND PHARMACY STUDENTS IN FLORIDA.

THESE CHANGES WILL TAKE PLACE ON OCTOBER 1 FOR ALL ERIE PHARMACY STUDENTS.

THESE CHANGES HAVE BEEN PRE-APPROVED BY HIGHMARK IN ORDER TO KEEP THE RATES AT THE CURRENT AMOUNT....
 
Which health plan is it? Should still be BCBS, but is it a no deductible one with something like $10 primary care visit co-pay or is there a deductible with slightly higher co-pays?

Yeah, still BCBS. There's a $250 deductible, but no out of pocket and co-pays are $20/$40
 
Welcome SnowTex to class of 2012, and regarding a get-together, it's the friday before class starts at 6:30pm at Applebee's right? I will be there drinking the last drop of alcohol for the next year, at least!

Anyway, every day this week I check my e-mail anxiously and ...........................................nothing! One more week of waiting for financial aid, patience is definitely not my virtue! :meanie:

I am quitting my job on July 17th, after working there almost three years too, so don't be nervous everybody who's gotta quit their jobs!

Thanks for the warm welcome, I will be at Applebees for sure! and at the beach everyday until school starts with LOTS of sunscreen and margaritas-a-go-go! I am potentially driving down on the 17th, my friend Bess just said she would come with me and stay through the weekend, awesome!! of course that gives me less than a month to find a place - nothing like the last minute...do they accept homeless students :laugh:

I want a roommate but I have to live with a girl (running around in my skivvies is a must for me...) I know that is leaving me wide open for some interesting remarks 😛 I may have to fly solo
 
Yeah, still BCBS. There's a $250 deductible, but no out of pocket and co-pays are $20/$40

Ok, it looks like that's the "new" plan they switched to in order to keep the monthly premiums the same. You can look above at scpod's quoted post regarding the recent health plan change. They finally gave us the same survey to see if we wanted to keep the same benefits with increased premiums, or change to slightly lower benefits but keeping the premiums the same. Not sure what came of that though.
 
Medical insurance covers dental that is due to accident usually, so if you fall and knock out a few teeth, they will pay. There are a bunch of circumstances that they will pay a portion, mostly related to oral surgery, but in general they do not pay for cavities, which I am really prone to (going in for a filling on Tues) and so is my son.

I'm just trying to weigh the plans. We have a crappy health insurance through my husbands work, which is costing us about the same as the school's plan however that includes dental. If we had dental with the school plan it would be a no-brainer.

I wonder if we can waive the dental part of the plan and get a slight discount. We get free dental from my wife's dad. Oh well...such is life.

You're right though, it is a really, really good health plan.
 
i wish there was vision insurance... i need that!!!!

I had lasik a couple of years ago, and am sooo happy with my results. Even though I do need to have an adjustment, I will never wear glasses for distance again (I know I'll probably need reading glasses as I get older, but still not bad).
 
Computer question. I have a Mac, which doesn't need anti-virus software. As they are REQUIRING antiivirus software for both mac and PC, can anyone recommend something for Mac that won't mess up our computers. (I'm convinced antivirus software is a big scam, as my old PC performance was always ruinned by McAfee and/or Norton.) Any freeware out there?
 
Computer question. I have a Mac, which doesn't need anti-virus software. As they are REQUIRING antiivirus software for both mac and PC, can anyone recommend something for Mac that won't mess up our computers. (I'm convinced antivirus software is a big scam, as my old PC performance was always ruinned by McAfee and/or Norton.) Any freeware out there?

I agree that antivirus programs are often worse than the viruses! I have a PC and use Sophos (which I got for free from my undergrad). I've been pretty happy with it.

Honestly, if you don't open email attachments you aren't expecting, don't click on "Sponsored Links", don't try to download porn, don't use bearshare (or whatever the hottest file swapping profram is right now), and don't visit stupid website (like "myspaceflair.com" or "lyricx4popsongz.com" you'll be fine. I've been surfing the 'net heavily since 1993 and have NEVER caught a virus. I do occasionally have to remove adware, but most of that comes with programs and THAT is another story.

There are some freeware programs out there. Check pcmag.com or some of the apple site (maclounge, etc.) for some good leads.
 
I don't if some of the current students already talked about this.. but I was wondering when do we actually start dealing with microbiology/immunology? Is it from the first weeks of first semester?

I just got Dr. Nath's Problem based Microbiology. It's a great book, but I have not taken any microbio course. So, I don't know many basic things in microbiology. Would it be worthwhile to go through some basic microbiology concepts?

or is it possible that I am being a bit paranoid?

S.
 
I don't if some of the current students already talked about this.. but I was wondering when do we actually start dealing with microbiology/immunology? Is it from the first weeks of first semester?

I just got Dr. Nath's Problem based Microbiology. It's a great book, but I have not taken any microbio course. So, I don't know many basic things in microbiology. Would it be worthwhile to go through some basic microbiology concepts?

or is it possible that I am being a bit paranoid?

S.

Probably more like the first weeks of second year. 😉

Anatomy will be your mantra for the first part of first year.
 
^^ What he said. We're just about to begin some microbio stuff and part of our required reading for this semester is a chunk from that book. During first year I think a couple groups may have done a little in the micro book but not much.

We did do a good amount of immunology though during first year through, but it was all after anatomy, and I think mostly during 2nd semester.
 
...Would it be worthwhile to go through some basic microbiology concepts?

or is it possible that I am being a bit paranoid?

S.

All you really need to know can be found in Medical Microbiology Made Ridiculously Simple. The first couple of chapters really give you some good background. Plus, there wasn't a question on COMLEX that I took that wasn't in that book. Also, it covers all the antibiotics, antifungals and antivirals that you need to know.

Dr. Nath's book is good from the perspective that you need to know the most common bugs that you'll find when you have an ear infection, versus a throat infection, etc. It's presented in cases and by systems, so you learn a lot about developing a differential, basic tests and treatments. It's shortcoming is that it is not a good introductory book for someone without a background. You need to know what the gram positives, and negatives, and cocci, and bacilli, and anaerobes, etc. are and what you need to do to treat them. You need to know something about drug resistance and other topics that Nath's book doesn't cover. MBMRS covers all that and makes it easy to learn. with all kinds of mnemonics and memory tools. You need to learn "bugs and drugs" for COMLEX and for later too. Believe me, you'll use this stuff in your third year. I use it every single day.
 
I figured I should post over here too. I know its a long shot (since most people wont be down yet) but if there is anybody around next Sunday the 28th and is willing to help me unload my moving truck I would greatly appreciate it. I will provide food and drinks and will be willing to help anybody else out in return.

Thanks,
Jim
 
I figured I should post over here too. I know its a long shot (since most people wont be down yet) but if there is anybody around next Sunday the 28th and is willing to help me unload my moving truck I would greatly appreciate it. I will provide food and drinks and will be willing to help anybody else out in return.

Thanks,
Jim

Man, we are just going to be arriving late that afternoon with our truckload. But I don't know what time yet. I'll PM you my info just in case though, if you don't find anyone else we can probably figure something out.
 
Thanks nlax30, DW and scpod. I don't say it often but we very much appreciate your advice. Arigato Gozaimas!

S.

All you really need to know can be found in Medical
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So I've discovered that it really pays to ask lots of questions. I needed to get a PPD done, but my health insurance doesn't cover it (and it's been a year since I've graduated, so I couldn't get it at my undergrad school). I called the local hospital and they told me it would be $92!!! I called the Hillsborough County Health Department and they don't do PPDs. Finally I went to the Manatee County Health Department and got one no problem for $12!!!! Imagine if I had gone to the hospital. What a waste of $$$$$ that would have been! :bullcrap:
 
So I've discovered that it really pays to ask lots of questions. I needed to get a PPD done, but my health insurance doesn't cover it (and it's been a year since I've graduated, so I couldn't get it at my undergrad school). I called the local hospital and they told me it would be $92!!! I called the Hillsborough County Health Department and they don't do PPDs. Finally I went to the Manatee County Health Department and got one no problem for $12!!!! Imagine if I had gone to the hospital. What a waste of $$$$$ that would have been! :bullcrap:

Ha! Good shopping around Amanda-- you're a girl after my own heart. 😉
 
Ha! Good shopping around Amanda-- you're a girl after my own heart. 😉

No kidding! I wish I had shopped around before doing my drug screens. I was just so anxious to get it done and get my paperwork in before the deadline.
 
So, I have the option to buy the previous versions of either Cecils or Harrisons. Do you think the previous editions will be OK or should I go new? Also, do you have a preferance to either Cecils or Harrisons?

Muchas gracias. 😎

I already bought the older 5th edition to Mosby's which I've heard will be OK to use...
 
So, I have the option to buy the previous versions of either Cecils or Harrisons. Do you think the previous editions will be OK or should I go new? Also, do you have a preferance to either Cecils or Harrisons?

Muchas gracias. 😎

I already bought the older 5th edition to Mosby's which I've heard will be OK to use...

I'd imagine the old editions would be fine. They'll never be as up-to-date as UpToDate anyways...
 
So, I have the option to buy the previous versions of either Cecils or Harrisons. Do you think the previous editions will be OK or should I go new? Also, do you have a preferance to either Cecils or Harrisons?

Muchas gracias. 😎

I already bought the older 5th edition to Mosby's which I've heard will be OK to use...

For the purposes of PBL, the older editions are just fine. I don't know if Cecil's comes this way, but if the option is available, I would suggest getting the 2 volume Harrison's set - you will get sick of hauling around one mammoth volume pretty quick. As far as which to choose, it's really personal preference. You won't need it right off the bat, so you could always scope them out in the library first.

As far as books go, my preference would actually be for the Lange CMDT, which you will have access to via STATRef on your computer. Sometimes even better than CMDT, though, is hopping on NEJM, and getting a review article for whatever condition you're studying. These articles are absolute gold for PBL.
 
If anyone is interested, a group of us are going to see "The Dark Knight," the sequel of "Batman Begins" opening night, July 18th. We're probably going to meet for dinner first and then head to the theatre. I don't know which theatre or where to eat, but I'll let you guys know as the time gets closer. Just a quick heads up to everyone since I know not everybody here uses Facebook.

The moving day is getting closer. To all those moving down this week or next: I'm really jealous of you!
 
NEJM review articles are awesome. Can we get access to nejm through LECOM ? or do we have to buy our own subscription? It costs $50/year for student subscription.

A slightly different question .. When you were taking Anatomy in your first semester, did you read Drake's Anatomy book like chapter by chapter, page by page? or Did you use the anatomy book more like a reference?

Reading Anatomy book would be very time consuming I would think. And based on what I have heard from med students from other schools, seems like they rely on lecture notes, atlas, and lab.

Thanks!
 
NEJM review articles are awesome. Can we get access to nejm through LECOM ? or do we have to buy our own subscription? It costs $50/year for student subscription.

A slightly different question .. When you were taking Anatomy in your first semester, did you read Drake's Anatomy book like chapter by chapter, page by page? or Did you use the anatomy book more like a reference?

Reading Anatomy book would be very time consuming I would think. And based on what I have heard from med students from other schools, seems like they rely on lecture notes, atlas, and lab.

Thanks!

I'm pretty sure LECOM has an institutional subscription, meaning you can access NEJM from the school network. I actually have had a student subscription for many years now; $50 for 52 issues a year + access to everything they have online (clinical procedure videos, archives, podcasts, etc.) is one of the better deals out there, IMO.

One of the biggest challenges of 1st and 2nd year will be finding and using the right resources to maximize your learning and your test scores. You'll need to experiment to find out what works best for you, but in my experience, I find reading textbooks most helpful for establishing a conceptual base for a subject, which I can then add details into. Some subjects, like physiology, for example, are almost purely conceptual, and thus reading and understanding the textbook is extremely important.

Other subjects, like anatomy, have very few concepts to understand, but many, many details that need to be drilled and memorized. For these subjects, I find wading through a prose-filled textbook much less efficient than getting the details from a stripped-down review book, and investing my time in committing the details to memory through repetition, questions, etc.

As I said before, you will need to find what works for you. Personally, I never opened Drake. Instead I used BRS Gross Anatomy + Rohen + Netter + this book (google preview) which contains several hundred review questions. Doing lots of questions is essential, IMO, and this particular book is really good, because the questions are HARD. This strategy was enough for me to end up with an A in the class.

Good luck!
 
All you really need to know can be found in Medical Microbiology Made Ridiculously Simple. The first couple of chapters really give you some good background. Plus, there wasn't a question on COMLEX that I took that wasn't in that book. Also, it covers all the antibiotics, antifungals and antivirals that you need to know.

Dr. Nath's book is good from the perspective that you need to know the most common bugs that you'll find when you have an ear infection, versus a throat infection, etc. It's presented in cases and by systems, so you learn a lot about developing a differential, basic tests and treatments. It's shortcoming is that it is not a good introductory book for someone without a background. You need to know what the gram positives, and negatives, and cocci, and bacilli, and anaerobes, etc. are and what you need to do to treat them. You need to know something about drug resistance and other topics that Nath's book doesn't cover. MBMRS covers all that and makes it easy to learn. with all kinds of mnemonics and memory tools. You need to learn "bugs and drugs" for COMLEX and for later too. Believe me, you'll use this stuff in your third year. I use it every single day.


How about the other Made Ridiculously Simple books? Did anyone use any of those and find them helpful for class or the COMLEX?
 
How about the other Made Ridiculously Simple books? Did anyone use any of those and find them helpful for class or the COMLEX?

CMMRS (Clinical Microbiology Made Ridiculously Simple) is certainly the one I've heard the most about. Personally, I also liked Clinical Pathophysiology MRS. I think some people used Clinical Neuroanatomy MRS.

One thing you often find about these review series is that they have one or two subjects where they really shine, and the rest of the series is so-so. For example, the Pathology from the Rapid Review series, the Physiology from BRS, and the Biochemistry from Lippincott are extremely popular in their respective subjects.
 
Talk about ridiculously expensive... I removed my information but this is what my bill for the titer draw and (I think, because I had it all done on the same day) ten panel drug test ended up being. Thank Jebus for the insurance covering it! Hopefully I don't get another one for the panel saying it wasn't covered. Whoo!

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Hello future LECOM-B classmates!

I haven't been here for a while but I'm still one of you! Congrats Amanda on your waitlist acceptance! I knew you would be in!

To all complaining about the cost of titers and drug screens - I know how it feels - my insurance was billed 1800 and paid 800 for both tests (and the lab screwed up the 10 panel so I had to have it repeated - for much less than the original screen but done at a different lab)!

So now, to make everyone feel better, I will answer the mini questionnaire started by Kate:


When are you moving?
I don't know yet! 🙂 Hopefully before 7-25 so I can get my ID and matriculate! I'm planning on coming to Bradenton on Wed 7-23 - but it'll all depend on our apartment lease start date.

How prepared are you for classes (books, etc)? I have absolutely nothing! Except for anatomy flash cards that I bought a couple weeks ago and already removed the protective foil from (so I can't return them anymore!). I hoped to start 'studying' anatomy (never had it in college) beginning July 1 - but since July is almost here and I can think about 100 better things to do... anatomy can wait! I will be ordering the anatomy book and atlas (and the other books that are required from week 1) in the middle of July and will have them shipped to my new apartment so there'll be fewer things to move. All other required books can wait until I get my financial aid check!

Biggest fear going into this? That I will be falling behind with my reading or will fail anatomy (scared of it!) even while studying it almost all the time. Hmmm, maybe I should start looking through those cards... 🙂 just to prevent myself from developing stress-related hypertension.

Are you leaning towards any specialy as of now (I'd be interested to see how many people change in the course of our 4 years)? I've been thinking about OBGYN, endocrinology or surgery (but I doubt I could commit to surgeon's hours/lifestyle - but surgery is definitely very interesting right now 🙂).

Do you want to stay in the Bradenton area for rotations? Yes, because my husband is moving there with me and I would hate to make him look for a new job/make a career change another time so soon (he's doing it right now).

What's one thing that we will learn about you that you are embarrassed of? I can't multiply numbers (in my head) anymore (I had As in all my math courses and took upper level calculus in college! 🙂)! Please don't ask me what 6x9 is!

Where are you living? That's still a mystery to me. We're flying to Bradenton this weekend to look for an apartment. We'll be getting a place for 1-2 months only and look for something more long term once we move and school starts (and my hubby finds a job or we know what we can afford).

Any pets with you? Yes! A husky-shepherd-lab (mostly) mix whose name is Meeshia. We want to get another dog once we move and find a place that accepts multiple animals.
 
Well I never did Kate's questions, so I will do them now!

When are you moving? I am leaving Chicago at 6:20am on July 21! I should be there around 10am 😀 My bf and mom are staying until July 28th, though.. I need moms credit card to help me set up an apartment! (I dont own any of my own things..)

How prepared are you for classes (books, etc)? Not at all.. I have anatomy flashcards, a labcoat, stethoscope.. and thats about it.. I have some random books a resident my mom works with gave me..

Biggest fear going into this? Well I have never been very good at school... so I guess not getting good grades.. and not being able to effectively study.

Are you leaning towards any specialy as of now? Neonatology!!!!! Ive wanted to do that since I was four... hopefully I will love it!

Do you want to stay in the Bradenton area for rotations? I'm not sure yet... Id love to go back home to Chicago.. or somewhere very near.. but if not (if there is nothing) then yes, i'd like to stay in the area.

What's one thing that we will learn about you that you are embarrassed of? I have absolutely no sense of style.. my mom and sister have to go shopping with me.. so I will need a shopping buddy!!!! (because I have absolutely NOTHING to wear to school!!)

Where are you living? Colonial Grand at Lakewood Ranch

Any pets with you? I wish!!!! I have two bunnies being left behind with my boyfriend (Lilly and Henry).. but I can't take them with because planes only allow them in the cargo hold.. and there is no way they would survive that..
 
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