List of Pass/Fail D.O. schools?

[advair250]

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I found an outdated thread from 2004, so making a new one for students to post if there school is p/f.

 

[Goro]

Not ours, for one. In general, residency directors don't like P/F because they have no way of discerning how a student performed. Faculty doesn't like them because there's no way of rewarding the top students. An "A" or a 95 means something, but a "P" just doesn't cut it.

I found an outdated thread from 2004, so making a new one for students to post if there school is p/f.

 

[survivordo]

I wouldn't pick a school just because it is P/F. It is almost asking for you to under achieve. Why would you push yourself when you know you are going to just get a P regardless. This has ramifications when it comes time to take the boards as well as residency. Not saying NOT to go to a P/F school but I certainly wouldn't think of it as a huge positive.

Survivor DO

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

I wouldn't pick a school just because it is P/F. It is almost asking for you to under achieve. Why would you push yourself when you know you are going to just get a P regardless. This has ramifications when it comes time to take the boards as well as residency. Not saying NOT to go to a P/F school but I certainly wouldn't think of it as a huge positive.

Survivor DO

Because if it is combined with no internal ranking then it is a school environment with significantly reduced gunning or so the people in Allo say. In fact a lot of people on pre-allo are litterally using grading scale as a method of choosing schools

Not ours, for one. In general, residency directors don't like P/F because they have no way of discerning how a student performed. Faculty doesn't like them because there's no way of rewarding the top students. An "A" or a 95 means something, but a "P" just doesn't cut it.

Aren't most top 10 MD schools P/F with no internal ranking though? And even then don't preclinical grades have little meaning?

 

[NeuroLAX]

And even then don't preclinical grades have little meaning?

I think it's a common misconception to equate "not the most important thing" and "means little".

 

[as1212559]

OU-HCOM is pass fail and lets you know if you are top 10% or top 20%. If I not mistaken they do keep internal rankings for PDs.

 

[Oo Cipher oO]

WesternU has a F/P/Honors system for the first two years. There still are internal rankings. I enjoy it. It tends to make people less grade crazy if its not as obvious. I have passed all my classes and honored just one and I dont really care if I honor any more. P=DO for me. Honors (>90%) is there to reward the really hard workers. It's a good system.

 

[calvinhobbes]

NYCOM is a P/F/H system. As are many DO and MD schools.
Preclinical grades don't really matter much, as long as you pass, and because of the variation of grading across schools, it's really the boards, boards, boards that determine your future. That is the big equalizer for residencies. Grades? Eh, don't sweat it, just pass and learn as much as you can.

 

[ShabNasty]

MSUCOM is P/F, but there is still a ranking.

 

[StudyShy]

MSUCOM is P/F, but there is still a ranking.

I like how MSUCOM does this.

 

[Didierdrogba]

ATSU SOMA has percentage grades

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

That's gross.

 

[Dharma]

I think it's a common misconception to equate "not the most important thing" and "means little".

pre-clinicals really don't hold that much weight (i.e. relatively "little"), unless it means AOA for the MD students, or failing for the rest of the pack.

 

[starfar]

I wouldn't pick a school just because it is P/F. It is almost asking for you to under achieve. Why would you push yourself when you know you are going to just get a P regardless. This has ramifications when it comes time to take the boards as well as residency. Not saying NOT to go to a P/F school but I certainly wouldn't think of it as a huge positive.

Survivor DO

Not quite sure I agree with this assessment. Mt. Sinai and Yale are true P/F schools, though not DO obviously.. and Sinai gives exams on an honor system type thing.. i.e., take it when you want, where you want.. That certainly doesn't mean that students at these schools are underachievers.. In fact, isn't it quite the opposite?

My brother was a chemical engineering major at a very competitive and dare I say adversarial program. One of his courses was graded on this unbelievable curve.. like the bottom smidgen % of the class with the lowest grades, even if they had an 80 FAILED. You can imagine the kind of crap that went on in that class among students trying to basically do whatever it took to avoid being in the bottom, even if it meant royally screwing other students.

Now I'm not saying this kind of madness is rampant in medical schools, but I bet it's a lot less likely to surface when there aren't class rankings or grades etc..

I'd go to a P/F DO school in a heartbeat and in fact, I think given the fact that DO schools are supposed to be more understanding/forgiving with GPAs that this type of thing would be a perfect fit