LMU c/o 2018 applicants

[LetItSnow]

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I also don't see where I said email...I said I sent an email back! and yes I'm glad it is being looked into as well is things can be cleared up and if we have more than 85 people in our first class the more the merrier! Many of us are already making friends and bonding! We are all very excited!

I interpreted. Most people wouldn't say "I was told in the same sentence" unless it was written. 🙂

Either way, the point is that the VMCAS/AAVMC people need accurate info.

 

[DVMDream]

This is another email I received...

LMU-CVM is happy to report that our first class team is now over 50% full. To officially accept the seat you need to contact Dr. Schadler via email or mail to indicate your decision. The offer of a seat is contingent upon the number of students who have already officially joined our “First Class” team. Once our 85 seats are filled unfortunately we will not be able to admit additional students.


Also, please remember that all pre-requisites must be completed with a C grade or higher prior to the first day of class. Please make sure that you have successfully fulfilled all of your pre-requisites. You will find a list of all pre-requisites here: http://www.lmunet.edu/cvm/Admissions/requirements.shtml.


Thank you,

I think the bolded part is what is needed.

Also, would probably help for someone that is in the position where they were accepted but had not sent in their decision yet to post the email that they got. If it is really true that their acceptance is now gone, then something needs to be looked into/figured out.

 

[DVMDream]

I also don't see where I said email...I said I sent an email back! and yes I'm glad it is being looked into as well is things can be cleared up and if we have more than 85 people in our first class the more the merrier! Many of us are already making friends and bonding! We are all very excited!

I am sure you are all quite excited and you very well should be. It is an amazing time in your life. Seriously, it is a great accomplishment to be accepted and every one of you should be very proud and happy about it.

However, time to stop and think for 2 seconds about how you would feel if you were one of the people accepted and are now not accepted. It would be beyond disappointing. Somewhere earlier this application cycle (I don't think it was this thread) but a bunch of pre-vets were telling the vet students that we have an, "I have my acceptance, I don't care about you mentality". That is kind of what this sounds like here. You guys all accepted your seat and have this, "meh, sucks to be you, but I have mine."

And you might say more the merrier now, but there is probably a reason there are only 85 seats. If there isn't room for more than 85 students and they end up having to accommodate for more due to poor acceptance procedures that is going to also be uncomfortable and unfair to you and the other students who have decided to attend LMU. Overall, it could end up being an unfair situation for everyone involved and it is good we have things like AAVMC and VMCAS to look into these things so that it does not occur next year.

 

[VetAshley2117]

I am truly sorry to anyone this happened to yes it does suck and yes I have been in the shoes of disappointment myself. Sorry for anyone who has had this happen. And I hope everything is cleared up soon.

 

[1103]

Say whatever you like about the admissions process-we'll have to agree to disagree. But when you start to insult the professors, who are well-respected and have taught at many different vet schools all over the country and worked on different admissions committees, I get offended as well. As a student ambassador and current undergrad student I've gotten to know many of these professors and saying that they have no credibility for professional development is shooting down YOUR (and my) future colleagues in this close-knit profession. All the professors and rotations sites that LMU is affiliated with are very excited to be working towards a better profession. That starts by having mutual respect shared between professors and students alike.

I, for one, am PROUD to be a member of the LMU-CVM Class of 2018.

I agree with you! I was so impressed with the school. I would give anything to have a seat! My application is pending and they told us that we would either get a denial or alternate position and that the final class size will not be known until August. I am hoping a lot give up their seats. I have no idea how many got wait listed but it sounds like a lot.

 

[VMCASSTAFF]

Hi All,

I wanted to give you all a status update. I have spoken with the AAVMC Admissions & Recruitment Committee, with the Executive Director of AAVMC and with LMU directly and there's a couple of things I have to pass on to you:

• It is regular practice for veterinary schools to send more offer letters than have seats available. This typically balances out as students make their decisions and inform schools of their intent to attend (or not). More often than not, schools honor all offers even if it's slightly above the number of seats available. That's only fair.
• Waitlisting is a regular process and more often than not, as students inform schools that they've accepted a seat elsewhere, students are givens seats.
• The question for LMU was whether or not they are prepared to make good on all the offers sent. The response was that they have every intention to honor all offer letters sent out. I believe that LMU has every intention to do so, even it if means appealing to AVMA/COE to bump up the class size, but that remains to be seen.
• The Admissions & Recruitment Committee is sending out a reminder to all AAVMC Member Institutions regarding the AAVMC's April 15th Acceptance Policy, and is considering what options there may be should a school be found in violation of the policy, which by the way is VERY rare. Again, outcome remains to be seen.
• I will be presenting a discussion of this issue and the policy at the AAVMC Board of Directors at our March meeting. We will specifically be discussing the language in letters of offer and acceptance letters, as this seems to be the cause of confusion this year as well as the importance of honoring offers sent.
• As a result of this issue, I will be forming an applicant/student advisory panel to work with the AAVMC, VMCAS, and the Admissions & Recruitment Committee. Involvement on behalf of applicants & students is critical to AAVMC, VMCAS, and Veterinary Schools. [more to come on this soon!]

I appreciate all of your feedback on this topic. It's important that you all understand that students & applicants DO have a voice, and that you ARE heard! I'll update you as I hear more.

TW

 

[DVMDream]

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I highly, highly suggest that you edit this and remove the phone numbers and email addresses. You should never be posting someone's personal information on an internet forum as anyone who can do a google search then has access to it. I really do suggest that you remove the numbers and the email address.

 

[las777]

For those of you who got accepted- did you receive an actual letter in the mail besides receiving a phone call? I never got a letter in the mail which worries me with this whole ordeal because there's no concrete evidence that I actually got accepted :/

 

[nicolette_mae]

For those of you who got accepted- did you receive an actual letter in the mail besides receiving a phone call? I never got a letter in the mail which worries me with this whole ordeal because there's no concrete evidence that I actually got accepted :/

I received a letter around Feb. 18, but some of the rest of us still haven't received their letter. Did you sent an email to accept your seat, because that could be why you didn't receive it. But I'm not sure.

 

[orca2011]

I received a letter around Feb. 18, but some of the rest of us still haven't received their letter. Did you sent an email to accept your seat, because that could be why you didn't receive it. But I'm not sure.

See, comments like this still bothers me. You get an acceptance letter when you're accepted. End of story. There should be no seat reserving. No other school does that. The fact the everyone is still making these comments makes me super nervous for those that didn't "reserve" their seat ahead of the deadline. And I realize you're not sure of the reason, but if that is the cause, I think there is something seriously wrong with that.

I know VMCAS said that it's common for schools to use a wait list and whatever (and I know...I've been on 6) but they were NEVER after I had been told I was accepted. That's where my issue (and I think most other people's) is.

Really interested to see how this all pans out.

 

[nicolette_mae]

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[orca2011]

I have NO idea if this is the case. I know most people in the facebook group for LMU has received their letter, but only people who have accepted their seat are in the group, so I don't know if anyone else has received theirs. It was just a guess, so do not make judgements on my post please. I easily could and probably am 100 percent incorrect.

Which is why I said I realize you don't actually know but if that turns out to be the case, I will be disappointed.

 

[nicolette_mae]

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[las777]

@nicolette_mae that's because nothing can be solved directly on this forum unless we speak directly with the @VMCASSTAFF , so there isn't much use in taking the time to prove to everyone we were accepted. But here ya go...

 

[orca2011]

I still think it's interesting how the people who had said they were now on a waitlist even though they were accepted have not posted any emails or letters proving this, and the only information has come from people who have accepted their spot. It makes me think something is being twisted somewhere. Just a thought.

Pretty sure this old post of yours hints that something along those lines did indeed happen. The school says in your post they sent something out. As for the people who are supposedly on this wait list, there seemed to be quite a few that were upset about it, so it seems less likely that someone is twisting something somewhere. And they could have sent their emails directly to VMCAS/AAVMC.

This is the email I received as a person who has already accepted their seat:

As some of you may have heard, we sent out a note yesterday stating that the LMU-CVM Class of 2018 is now full and a waitlist will be created. We wanted to clear up any confusion you may have – this message did not pertain to you as you have already given us written notification that you will be attending LMU.


As stated in the matriculation information, your matriculation paperwork and fee need to be postmarked by April 17th. This means that your seat in the class will be held until then.


For anybody who has contacted us with a new mailing address, your matriculation paperwork will be going out in today’s mail. If you do not receive your letter by next week, please let me know.


If you have any questions please do not hesitate to contact us.


Thank you,

 

[las777]

And in case you need proof of me emailing them back as well...

 

[dyachei]

I still think it's interesting how the people who had said they were now on a waitlist even though they were accepted have not posted any emails or letters proving this, and the only information has come from people who have accepted their spot. It makes me think something is being twisted somewhere. Just a thought.

or maybe the students are trying to fix the problem instead of publicize everything here.

Every school makes mistakes. This doesn't make a school inherently bad. The way they are handling it is what has me concerned

 

[nicolette_mae]

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[LetItSnow]

@nicolette_mae that's because nothing can be solved directly on this forum unless we speak directly with the @VMCASSTAFF , so there isn't much use in taking the time to prove to everyone we were accepted. But here ya go...

Good luck with things, @las777 ... it's a sucky situation to be offered a seat and then have it pulled out from under you. I hope the situation can get resolved to everyone's satisfaction.

 

[nicolette_mae]

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[epivetlove]

I'm reading it that they filled up all the seats and that those who were initially offered a seat, but did not send in their decision right away, are now placed on the wait list. Hence the, "for this reason..." directly after the "we value all students..." To me, if you were offered a seat, then that seat is yours until the April 15th deadline. It shouldn't be your fault if the school over-accepts and those 85 or whatever students indicated their decision to attend before you did. That should not matter. I also have a very unpopular opinion, but I'm going to refrain from sharing it right now.

That's just my 0.02. I hope it works out well for everyone.

 

[VetAshley2117]

or maybe the students are trying to fix the problem instead of publicize everything here.

Every school makes mistakes. This doesn't make a school inherently bad. The way they are handling it is what has me concerned

I believe it was asked of those who had been accepted to show their letter of acceptance and that some of you would like to see the letter/email from those wait listed. So yeah Nicolette had a good point in saying that.

Again, nothing will be known as far as what will happen with these accepted/wait listed people until all decisions have been made and reviewed by the appropriate parties. Chin up people! I'm sure things will work out!

 

[dyachei]

I'm reading it that they filled up all the seats and that those who were initially offered a seat, but did not send in their decision right away, are now placed on the wait list. Hence the, "for this reason..." directly after the "we value all students..." To me, if you were offered a seat, then that seat is yours until the April 15th deadline. It shouldn't be your fault if the school over-accepts and those 85 or whatever students indicated their decision to attend before you did. That should not matter. I also have a very unpopular opinion, but I'm going to refrain from sharing it right now.

That's just my 0.02. I hope it works out well for everyone.

This is the way it typically works. When my school over accepted, they took the extra 11 students

 

[dyachei]

I believe it was asked of those who had been accepted to show their letter of acceptance and that some of you would like to see the letter/email from those wait listed. So yeah Nicolette had a good point in saying that.

Again, nothing will be known as far as what will happen with these accepted/wait listed people until all decisions have been made and reviewed by the appropriate parties. Chin up people! I'm sure things will work out!

And if they don't work out?

 

[epivetlove]

Yeah. I just find it a little inappropriate that they're hinging on other students, either accepted or wait listed, to chose other schools. While that may be very likely, it's not a gamble the school should be making when it's putting accepted students onto a wait list. And its inaugural class, no less.

 

[nicolette_mae]

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[VetAshley2117]

And if they don't work out?

Whose to say it won't? Why is everyone so negative!?! If it doesn't work out then I'm truly sorry and I hope something is done to correct the situation. It's already been said by AAVMC that it is being reviewed.

 

[dyachei]

They never said which way they were going to go. They're probably waiting to see how many people who have accepted their seat decide to go to their IS school, or a different school and will then decide where to go from there. They have not said anything about loosing your seat. This stuff takes time people. Rome wasn't built in a day, and neither is a vet school.

Or they really won't accept the students as they stated in the email. Several people keep saying we are making assumptions but go ahead and make assumptions themselves.

 

[dyachei]

Whose to say it won't? Why is everyone so negative!?! If it doesn't work out then I'm truly sorry and I hope something is done to correct the situation. It's already been said by AAVMC that it is being reviewed.

I call it realism, not negativity

 

[VetAshley2117]

Or they really won't accept the students as they stated in the email. Several people keep saying we are making assumptions but go ahead and make assumptions themselves.

Yes and therein lies the problem everyone on both side are making assumptions and yes I have made assumptions as well. Again no one will know anything until everything is finalized!

 

[epivetlove]

I'd be more inclined to believe the "vet school wasn't built in a day" if they didn't have numerous examples to work off of.

 

[dyachei]

Yes and therein lies the problem everyone on both side are making assumptions and yes I have made assumptions as well. Again no one will know anything until everything is finalized!

But in the meantime, students who weren't accepted elsewhere will be in limbo. Will they have to find housing there or not, etc. so I understand why it doesn't matter to you. But it does matter to other applicants. And the way it's being handled is somewhat short of what I personally would consider professional

 

[LetItSnow]

Whose to say it won't? Why is everyone so negative!?! If it doesn't work out then I'm truly sorry and I hope something is done to correct the situation. It's already been said by AAVMC that it is being reviewed.

It's not negative. It's constructive.

Inappropriate and unprofessional behavior *NEEDS* to be called out. That's how it gets corrected, and that's how you make sure it doesn't happen again. Turning a blind eye, or insisting on a reading of their email that is an interpretative stretch (as Nicolette Mae has done), or just sitting on your acceptance and telling other people that they ought to just wait and see, is tacitly condoning unprofessional behavior.

Look. It's not the end of the world that LMU blew it. They just need to own up to it, do what they can to mitigate the problem, correct it going forward, and life goes on. Nobody's saying that LMU should be burned down or anything, and y'all keep acting like that's what is at stake. Any new school will have glitches. But you aren't helping your own future school by pretending they didn't make a pretty big mistake.

 

[VetAshley2117]

But in the meantime, students who weren't accepted elsewhere will be in limbo. Will they have to find housing there or not, etc. so I understand why it doesn't matter to you. But it does matter to other applicants. And the way it's being handled is somewhat short of what I personally would consider professional

That's my understanding of how any wait list would work. But I could be wrong.

 

[dyachei]

That's my understanding of how any wait list would work. But I could be wrong.

Most wait lists don't start after you've been accepted. Most wait lists you are told you are wait listed then you are accepted off them or not. What happened here was people were accepted THEN put on a wait list

 

[orca2011]

That's my understanding of how any wait list would work. But I could be wrong.

Yes, but when you're on the wait list, you're told that right away and you generally don't sign a lease for a place until you have the acceptance. I was on 6 wait lists total between my application cycles, so I've gone through this process. The difference here is that these people were accepted and they're waiting to see if the school is going to honor that, which they probably won't know until after the April 15th deadline.

 

[LetItSnow]

Most wait lists don't start after you've been accepted. Most wait lists you are told you are wait listed then you are accepted off them or not. What happened here was people were accepted THEN put on a wait list

I think part of the problem here is that there are a few people staunchly defending LMU's process that have absolutely no past experience with the admissions process. So it's just "normal" to them.

 

[LetItSnow]

That's my understanding of how any wait list would work. But I could be wrong.

You are correct that you are wrong. Normally when one applies to vet school, you get one of three responses: Acceptance, Rejection, or Waitlisted.

You may then go from Waitlisted to Acceptance if space opens up as people decline their offers. You should <never> go from Acceptance to Waitlisted so long as you reply to the offer by the deadline that (with two exception categories) VMCAS/AAVMC requires every school abide by. (And LMU is not one of those exceptions.)

 

[VetAshley2117]

I'm not 100% sure of what the admissions process is like in applied last year to 4 schools and didn't even get interviews and then I applied to two schools this year one no interview one accepted and I'm not saying LMU didn't make a mistake but I don't think anyone will know the truth until April 15. And you can bet your ass if I didn't get in anywhere else and was on this accepted/wait list that I would be directly calling the school to figure out if I have a seat or not and if not I'd then go to the appropriate authorities! And I am truly sorry if that happens and I hope that it doesn't and things work out because yes I am a freaking optimist and believe that everyone should be able to live their dream!

 

[dyachei]

I'm not 100% sure of what the admissions process is like in applied last year to 4 schools and didn't even get interviews and then I applied to two schools this year one no interview one accepted and I'm not saying LMU didn't make a mistake but I don't think anyone will know the truth until April 15. And you can bet your ass if I didn't get in anywhere else and was on this accepted/wait list that I would be directly calling the school to figure out if I have a seat or not and if not I'd then go to the appropriate authorities! And I am truly sorry if that happens and I hope that it doesn't and things work out because yes I am a freaking optimist and believe that everyone should be able to live their dream!

We should definitely know before April 15th if they will honor those acceptances or not. They shouldn't have to rely on students backing out

 

[epivetlove]

I'm just...going to not check this thread. It makes me angry and sad.

I really do hope those of you who got the short end of the stick get some kind of reparations for all this. And I really hope that the way LMU has conducted themselves with this matter is not a reflection of how they will operate in the future.

You know what they say about first impressions.

 

[BaileyCopperxo]

And in case you need proof of me emailing them back as well...View attachment 178930

What was the response back to you after this? Was it confirmed that you were put on a wait list?

 

[las777]

Genell wrote back saying that I have been placed on the waitlist.

 

[DVMDream]

That email seemed rather clear that they were placing those accepted that did not claim a seat on the waitlist now. There should be no need to wait until April 15th to see if these people will have a seat. They were accepted, they were told they were accepted, there should be no need for them to wait to see if they will have a seat. Their acceptance is that guarantee, as long as they say yes and give a deposit by April 15th they should have a spot in the class. They should not now be on a waitlist and having to wait until April 15th.

I think the even bigger point here, is that the emails that LMU sent out saying the class is now 50% full or 75% full or whatever else they sent to accepted students should NOT have ever needed to be sent. There was zero point to those because the students have until April 15th to make a decision; NOT until the class fills up. It would be perfectly fine to remind students of the April 15th deadline, but the statements of how full the class was/is at the point was not needed. That is what is so odd. I don't think this is just some miscommunication, because there would be no need for them to send out those updates of how full the class is. I hope it was just a miscommunication, but I don't think it was from what is posted/stated on this thread. Fortunately we have the AAVMC/VMCAS to look into it and figure out what is going on.

I hope that those in this predicament get it all sorted out and get their acceptance recognized. I also hope that this is resolved for future years.

 

[dvmhopeful2018]

The AAVMC/VMCAS is looking into the situation, so until they come back with a definitive answer, this is just a bunch of speculation about what LMU might have done wrong and on what will happen.

I'm sorry if you're one of the people who was accepted and now find yourself on the waitlist. I hope that things work out for you.

 

[dyachei]

The AAVMC/VMCAS is looking into the situation, so until they come back with a definitive answer, this is just a bunch of speculation about what LMU might have done wrong and on what will happen.

I'm sorry if you're one of the people who was accepted and now find yourself on the waitlist. I hope that things work out for you.

It isn't ALL speculation. People that were accepted are being told they are on a waitlist. As seen in previous posts.

 

[LetItSnow]

The AAVMC/VMCAS is looking into the situation, so until they come back with a definitive answer, this is just a bunch of speculation about what LMU might have done wrong and on what will happen.

I'm sorry if you're one of the people who was accepted and now find yourself on the waitlist. I hope that things work out for you.

Rubbish. There are multiple people with anecdotal evidence plus copies of email sent by LMU. It's hardly "a bunch of speculation."

I know some of you want to be able to throw out the "gee, it's all just speculation" because you are super excited because you have seats and can't tolerate anything critical about your school, but you are wrong.

The only part that is speculation is how LMU will resolve it.

 

[devyn]

I am beyond flabbergasted by the response of the students who have accepted their seat to the students who were accepted and have now been placed on the waitlist.... beyond mystified tbh..... put yourselves in their shoes... there is an April 15th deadline for a reason that all schools who sign up for it must abide by.... this is not a miscommunication - this is about a new veterinary school not following the rules point blank (stop taking this personally and think of the big picture)... they need to rectify this situation.

I really can't even.... and the more I read this thread the more I am just sickened by the entire thing and the attitudes I see

 

[DVMDream]

the more I read this thread the more I am just sickened by the entire thing and the attitudes I see

I just makes me think things like... "Note to self for the future: Don't hire LMU grads."

Which I shouldn't think (because I am sure not all are like the few here), but first impressions and all, it is hard not to.

 

[beaverboy]

What do all of you critics believe would happen if LMU only offered the 85 seats and gave them till April 15th to take them, and no once else could have them. Then if some of the students offered a seat wait until the last day, and decide "to hell with LMU, I want to be a PennWe (or whatever other school)" then LMU is left without a full class and no more time to fill it because that deadline is passed.

Just saying... I understand the frustration of students who had a chance to have a spot in the class, and are now on waitlist, but to me, that sounds like it's their own fault. The only reason a student would wait to accept their spot is because they want to see where else they can get in (which generally means they don't think LMU is good enough for them). In that case, good riddance. I (and presumably the other students and the staff members) would rather associate with students that believe in LMU and wouldn't rather go somewhere else.

In the case of students who waited because they thought they had to pay their matriculation fee at the time of accepting a seat, that is your fault entirely. I went through the ENTIRE admission process, and not once does it say you have to pay the matriculation fee at the time of accepting a seat. In fact, Dr. Schadler specifically states when you speak/email with him that once you indicate your acceptance of a seat, you will then get papers mailed to you about your acceptance, and matriculation processes. So, while that is unfortunate, still not the schools fault.

But y'all are right, the school should reward students that do not take the initiative to call the school and ask about the admission or matriculation process (which I know Dr. Schadler and anyone else who sends emails on behalf of LMU states at the end every time to call if you have any questions), or that want to wait in hopes of getting in somewhere else, because they obviously are committed to getting a DVM from LMU.
I'm sorry this happened to some, but to blame it on the school is childish. The responsibility falls on each and every student. (In case you couldn't tell, I don't think y'all are right, that was sarcasm)

I think a lot of people are confusing being offered admission, and being accepted. They are two different things in this case. You have to accept your seat to be considered accepted. Being offered admission is simply saying "If you choose to accept your seat, we will grant you admission into our vet school".

BTW, why all these people commenting that already are attending vet school is beyond me. Not sure why this matters to you, but it'd be appreciated if you quit attempting to create even more conflict than there already is, why don't you all bounce back to your own SDN thread. Thanks =)