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What do you guys think. And by safe...I mean...not infertile, and not having a premature heart attack (before let's say 60). I'll accept a small increase in liver tumors and the like.
What do you guys think. And by safe...I mean...not infertile, and not having a premature heart attack (before let's say 60). I'll accept a small increase in liver tumors and the like.
Depends on which one you're taking.
Steroids with a high androgenic profile adds a sinister lipid profile to your physiology.
Even low dose testosterone (like 200mg/week) will alter your lipid profile.
I think one could do 200mg IM/week of decadurabolin until death without adverse physiologic consequences.
High anabolic/low androgenic profile.
Problem now is all the media hype about professional athlete use has entrained the government into meticulous enforcement.
Not worth it in my book.
Maybe we should move to Mexico for a cuppla years and come back at around 280 with 5% bodyfat, huh Strength?
I should be able to make enough down there to buy food, shelter, and gear, HUH?
when you say "not worth it". Do you mean the gov't enforcement is too stiff to be worth trying? Or that roids itself aren't worth the health consequences?
Absolutely, i'll go down to mexico and get monstrously huge. I don't have anything better goin on right now
Monstrously huge AND small nuts.... what happens when you are with a girl and she screams at your tiny sack?
when you say "not worth it". Do you mean the gov't enforcement is too stiff to be worth trying? Or that roids itself aren't worth the health consequences?
Absolutely, i'll go down to mexico and get monstrously huge. I don't have anything better goin on right now
Monstrously huge AND small nuts.... what happens when you are with a girl and she screams at your tiny sack?
that's what I suspected. I honestly think you could probably get away with low dose stuff and be generally fine. That is, if you don't mind a small gamble. Which i don't. JPP- you might get to be a 250 monster with low physiologic risk, but 270? that light eclipsing figure might have some problems living past 55
we'll find some mexican honey pots while we're down there
I'd take the tradeoff for a 270 pound frame.
I don't think theres many girls out there that care about the size of your sac.
This is a legitimate thread. For me, this is more intellectual. I wouldn't do anything unless I was commited, had the resources to do it right, and if it was a priority in my life (which it's not right now).
Anybody remember Dan Duchane?? He wrote the Steroid Bible back in the day. Incidentally, he's dead now, but not sure how he died.
Regarding testicular atrophy, there's hCG, and even Clomid post-cycle.
On a related subject, I will definitely supplement Testosterone (again, with any supplementals such as aromitase inhibitors etc. that may be necessary) down the road as the T levels drop off. In other words, bringing them back up to 20's-30's levels when I'm 60 or so.
If done intelligently, I agree that risks can be greatly mitigated.
O.K. back to USMLE World. Taking Step I in 13 days.
good luck!
in addition to testicular atrophy -- don't forget acne and behavioral change --
unfortunately, there are no short cuts.
Out of curiosity, does anyone believe using steroids to increase muscle mass is at all similar to using Synthroid or laxatives for anorexics? Is this another form of body dysmorphic d/o?
This is a legitimate thread. For me, this is more intellectual. I wouldn't do anything unless I was commited, had the resources to do it right, and if it was a priority in my life (which it's not right now).
Anybody remember Dan Duchane?? He wrote the Steroid Bible back in the day. Incidentally, he's dead now, but not sure how he died.
Regarding testicular atrophy, there's hCG, and even Clomid post-cycle.
On a related subject, I will definitely supplement Testosterone (again, with any supplementals such as aromitase inhibitors etc. that may be necessary) down the road as the T levels drop off. In other words, bringing them back up to 20's-30's levels when I'm 60 or so.
If done intelligently, I agree that risks can be greatly mitigated.
O.K. back to USMLE World. Taking Step I in 13 days.
Let me add something. I know, you thinking, "what more can he add to that babble?"
I think there is a place for most of these drugs, HGH, Testo, Anabolics. But that place is not in the recreational environment. I believe it is for the geriatrics.
I have to admit that I never looked into the correlation b/w testo and prostate ca. I was going on the word of one of my riding buddies, a urologist. He claimed testosterone would infinitely increase your risk. Now I may have some ammo.
random point
Last week in the news (Fox News) they stated that people are now using Viagra to bulk up!
Apparently it's been around a lot. It increases NO and therefore blood flow to the mx's. People fatigue less while working out since you dont cramp up so easily.
I was surprised, but they were saying lots of people were popping those blue pills before workouts. National leagues are trying to figure out how they are going to 'ban' them. The problem per the coaches are that the players are saying, "but coach, I gotta take care of my wife".
Yeah, but how do you work out with a boner?
Dude, you've seen some of the girls at the gym right? Guys do it all the time.
On second thought, maybe viagra at the gym is a really bad idea.
I'd take the tradeoff for a 270 pound frame.
I don't think theres many girls out there that care about the size of your sac.
good luck!
in addition to testicular atrophy -- don't forget acne and behavioral change --
unfortunately, there are no short cuts.
Hit pubmed for this info. Surprisingly, you'll ind that despite what the media may preach about psycho pro wrestlers being the way they are because of high doses of testosterone, there was at least one study I read (only one I found) that concluded that at even 600mg/wk IM testosterone there was no increase in anger/aggression in "psychologically normal" men.
Note: its important to keep in mind that testosterone is only one of many anabolic and androgenic steroids people use for muscle gain and this doesn't speak to the rest.
Yeah, I think you get a lot of insecure guys using juice for the same reason some women get gigantic implants: insecurity. (Note: I'm not saying that women all get implants b/c of insecurity, and I'm not even saying I'm against it. Same goes for guys. I'm just saying that some people think they can fix their insecurities by altering their appearance drastically). Then, the media reports that when guys flip out its b/c they're on steroids and when women kill themselves it's b/c they have implants Go figure, right?I think you have a point. When $%*& hits the fan and some dude who's taking steroids flips out, I dont think you can put 100% of the blame on steroids. Like you said, it's not as bad as the media makes it seem. Also, a lot of dudes who are willing to pin themselves with roids arent exactly selective about the other chemicals they put in their bodies as well. You have to consider what other chemicals/drugs are running around in their system as well. It's also quite possible that these people who fly off the handle have some kind of mental health problem as well. So, in my opinion, I gotta think severe roid rage is pretty multifactorial.
Also, I grew up on a small ranch and we gave our herefords Finaplix pellet implants in their ears and I cant say that it made them any more aggressive. Just an observation, I know it doesnt mean anything.
some women get gigantic implants................... and I'm not even saying I'm against it.
Monstrously huge AND small nuts.... what happens when you are with a girl and she screams at your tiny sack?
LOL, really?
hahaha j/k
You should see some of the ultra-enhancement running around here in VEGAS.... It's like putting rims on your car.... Make it look appropriate or you just look stupid... (ie the the toyota corrolla that I saw the other day with big rims and dub edition stick on emblems the other day)
I know just what you're talking about.LOL, really?
hahaha j/k
You should see some of the ultra-enhancement running around here in Vegas.... It's like putting rims on your car.... Make it look appropriate or you just look stupid... (ie the the toyota corrolla that I saw the other day with big rims and dub edition stick on emblems the other day)
Well, I was lucky enough to get gyno as a teen... I didn't even have to do steroids to get nice little nipple lumps <-- wait...Don't forget manboobs.
LEAVIN' FRIDAY BABY!!!!!
SHAKKIN' AT DA PARIS
and in true Ric Flair persona....
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
It's gettin warm, you should check out Rehab at the Hard Rock if your still here Sunday!
I have to admit that I never looked into the correlation b/w testo and prostate ca. I was going on the word of one of my riding buddies, a urologist. He claimed testosterone would infinitely increase your risk. Now I may have some ammo.
Yeah, I thought that too until I had a buddy recently return and tell me how great that is....he tells me to go to napkinnights.com and check out the photos of him in the Hard Rock rehab section.
So I did.
Absolutely looks like the place to be if you're lookin' for somewhere to park your johnson for a nite or two........or looking for a johnson......since I saw about two unattractive people outta about two thousand....partying, chaos, drunk people everywhere, guys biting girls booties, laughter, more silicone than in Silicone Valley Cally, more amped-dudes than at the Mr Olympia...
Nahhh, S.O. and I are more into the quiet poolside, maybe some cool music in the background, lounging around....
Hard Rock Rehab looks like a great place to be!
Just not my typa gig.
I'll spend a cuppla afternoons involved in some high dollar no-limit games, eat great food, walk all up and down the strip, take in a cuppla shows, hook up with my buddy out there to catch up,
and spend the resta the time poolside at the Paris.
Hope their pool is quiet.
Yeah, I thought that too until I had a buddy recently return and tell me how great that is....he tells me to go to napkinnights.com and check out the photos of him in the Hard Rock rehab section.
So I did.
Absolutely looks like the place to be if you're lookin' for somewhere to park your johnson for a nite or two........or looking for a johnson......since I saw about two unattractive people outta about two thousand....partying, chaos, drunk people everywhere, guys biting girls booties, laughter, more silicone than in Silicone Valley Cally, more amped-dudes than at the Mr Olympia...
Nahhh, S.O. and I are more into the quiet poolside, maybe some cool music in the background, lounging around....
Hard Rock Rehab looks like a great place to be!
Just not my typa gig.
I'll spend a cuppla afternoons involved in some high dollar no-limit games, eat great food, walk all up and down the strip, take in a cuppla shows, hook up with my buddy out there to catch up,
and spend the resta the time poolside at the Paris.
Hope their pool is quiet.
Depends on which one you're taking.
Steroids with a high androgenic profile adds a sinister lipid profile to your physiology.
Even low dose testosterone (like 200mg/week) will alter your lipid profile.
I think one could do 200mg IM/week of decadurabolin until death without adverse physiologic consequences.
High anabolic/low androgenic profile.
Most of my bodybuilder friends who have had trouble recovering from their cycles (trashed HPTA) usually end up at an endocrinologists office. My brother has minor gynecomastia from a cycle of OTC hormones and I believe he eventually saw an endocrinologist as well. (His OTC hormones were essentially grey market steroids not yet listed on the DSHEA--I find it disturbing and hilarious how many people take these extremely potent 17a methyl steroids they get over the counter, don't know it, and then talk trash about juicers. This one in particular was a 17a methyl (and therefore orally active) version of an illegal hormone: 2a,3a-epithio-5a-androstan-17b-ol; epitiostanol if my google search is correct, i don't know the brand name)So, hypothetically speaking, if an athlete was experiencing side-effects from a cycle he/she was on, and came to you for help, who would be the best specialist for the job?
Endocrinologist?
Or is it not as complicated as it sounds?
So, hypothetically speaking, if an athlete was experiencing side-effects from a cycle he/she was on, and came to you for help, who would be the best specialist for the job?
Endocrinologist?
Or is it not as complicated as it sounds?