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she'll get caught one day....
in a LIE!!!
in a LIE!!!
I also have no sympathy for anyone who does this. They are probably the same people who end up unemployed, behind on their student loans, and convinced that life is crapping on them.
That's not necessarily a lie. Most, and potentially all states allow a person under a certain age (under 24 seems common) to be a resident "for tuition purposes" if one or both of their parents meet the residency requirements, even if the kid never set foot in that state. It's a great provision that protects the student from potentially losing any chance of residency (from any state) because their parents moved when the kid was in college but the state the kid goes to college in won't grant residency because they were there "for educational purposes". Sure, it will give a few applicants an advantage of having options, but more importantly it protects the few that would lose all opportunity for in-state status. Worrying about the few with dual residency is just a waste of time; if the rules are set to allow it jealousy won't help!
I agree with your assessment of the type of person who lies and schemes to get ahead in life. I would add that they usually don't feel badly about how they are, and rather feel that their actions are justified by the circumstances. I also used to rage at the injustice that often "bad" people do not get what is coming to them. Now though I can see the bigger picture. While their lives seem to have benefited from their actions, true happiness and contentment can not come from living this type of life. There are many ways to live a meaningful life-I certainly have no secret insight, but I do know that I have to live inside my own head and justify my actions to myself. I can't imagine how horrible it must be to have to look honestly at yourself and realize that you're a fraud, a liar, an unethical being etc...I personally couldn't take it. So now instead of feeling mad or frustrated, I just feel sad for them. And I sleep very well at night.In my experience, granted that these people aren't stupid (stupid liars don't go very far) the conniving liars are the ones you tend to get ahead in life, and it lasts for a looooong time. They only get caught when they're unlucky. They're prob the first ones with jobs that pay well enough, and totally smug about it too. Such is life. I used to get bitter about this kind of stuff all the time, but nowadays I just find myself amused. But then again I think vet school has sucked all emotion out of me so that might be it too.
I know of a few applicants who lied about their residency on their application. For example, their parents or friends live in a state with a vet school or another vet school that they are more likely to get into that is not the state they are currently residing in (and have never resided in or not been for a few years).
Reviving this thread - I'm in a similar situation - a fellow applicant lied about certain experiences (said she was a member of clubs that she wasn't, lied about her shadowing hours) - intentionally. Part of me wants to let the schools know - I work my butt off juggling my schedule and she takes 2 classes, works 2 days a week, and that's it. I really don't want to be that person, but at the same time I'm a firm believer in being truthful and working hard to get what you get...so what do you all think about whistleblowing? I'd like to think it will catch up with her somehow, but I just really don't think she should get away with it.
Reviving this thread - I'm in a similar situation - a fellow applicant lied about certain experiences (said she was a member of clubs that she wasn't, lied about her shadowing hours) - intentionally. Part of me wants to let the schools know - I work my butt off juggling my schedule and she takes 2 classes, works 2 days a week, and that's it. I really don't want to be that person, but at the same time I'm a firm believer in being truthful and working hard to get what you get...so what do you all think about whistleblowing? I'd like to think it will catch up with her somehow, but I just really don't think she should get away with it.
Reviving this thread - I'm in a similar situation - a fellow applicant lied about certain experiences (said she was a member of clubs that she wasn't, lied about her shadowing hours) - intentionally. Part of me wants to let the schools know - I work my butt off juggling my schedule and she takes 2 classes, works 2 days a week, and that's it. I really don't want to be that person, but at the same time I'm a firm believer in being truthful and working hard to get what you get...so what do you all think about whistleblowing? I'd like to think it will catch up with her somehow, but I just really don't think she should get away with it.
Reviving this thread - I'm in a similar situation - a fellow applicant lied about certain experiences (said she was a member of clubs that she wasn't, lied about her shadowing hours) - intentionally. Part of me wants to let the schools know - I work my butt off juggling my schedule and she takes 2 classes, works 2 days a week, and that's it. I really don't want to be that person, but at the same time I'm a firm believer in being truthful and working hard to get what you get...so what do you all think about whistleblowing? I'd like to think it will catch up with her somehow, but I just really don't think she should get away with it.
My old boss contacted the head of admissions regarding my coworker. They didn't want to know the coworker's name - maybe so they could evaluate her application 'fairly' without being tainted by the compliant against her? I don't know. (They do know who she is, because it's pretty obvious from the situation . . . But still. They didn't want to officially have a name given to them.) You might run into something similar, where they will listen to your complaint but refuse to take the name of the applicant.
I don't.I remember you telling this story. I think that's a good policy of the school!
I don't.
People who cheat tend to continue to cheat. If you cheat on a test it's one thing. How will you cheat as a vet that doesn't compromise patient care?
ok, but bad overall choices that are unethical are not going to fix themselves.If I remember the situation correctly, I don't think it had much to do with cheating? Something about a bad letter of recommendation? I don't recall all the details but I remember the coworker made some bad choices lol
Idk it seems a little vindictive for an employer to call the school and complain about someone, but that's just me.
ok, but bad overall choices that are unethical are not going to fix themselves.
lying on VMCAS is the same thing. You're trying to cheat the system
The vets I worked with didn't like the policy, either. The applicant did something very unprofessional and actually illegal (police took statements, but I think it ended up being too he said/she said for it to go anywhere without physical evidence). It wasn't academic - she tried to email VMCAS as the clinic owner using that email account. She got caught, but the email was never actually sent so there was nothing the police could do.
I totally get the frustration on your end. We've probably all known someone who takes credit for someone else's work, lies, etc. to get ahead. I agree that, no, she shouldn't get away with it.Reviving this thread - I'm in a similar situation - a fellow applicant lied about certain experiences (said she was a member of clubs that she wasn't, lied about her shadowing hours) - intentionally. Part of me wants to let the schools know - I work my butt off juggling my schedule and she takes 2 classes, works 2 days a week, and that's it. I really don't want to be that person, but at the same time I'm a firm believer in being truthful and working hard to get what you get...so what do you all think about whistleblowing? I'd like to think it will catch up with her somehow, but I just really don't think she should get away with it.
There was a thread about lying on interviews from 2011...but oh well, I figured this title would get peoples attention
Basically, someone I met...without getting specific...basically admitted to me (before knowing I was an unsuccessful vet school applicant) that she had falsehoods on her vmcas. She "knew" a vet personally, and she put on her app that she had numerous hours with him but in actuality...she flat out didn't. She had never once shadowed him, she just knew him as a friend. It was just a bold face lie. Now, my beliefs give me the comfort that knowing karma will come her way soon and I truly do not get upset or angry at things of this sort. I do not think she is a "horrible person" either - the way she talked about it she really made it seem like no big deal...I mean obviously she just shared the info with me out of nowhere!
So...I started thinking that how many people lie? How do (if they do) schools verify that hours are true? I know that for experiences you put contact information but in all honesty it seems highly unlikely that a school could "check" hundreds and hundreds of applicants...but do they? I would be terrified to lie, even if I thought that it was morally okay. But how many people are not?
And P.S. she got in to vet school, probably not due to this one lie...but still, the lie was there.
It just makes me mad because I am a really honest person and I counted and put mine down to the minute. So when I saw that vmcas rounds everything, I felt guilty if it was even an hour or two over. I worked really hard for all of my diverse experiences and hours, so knowing there are probably a lot of people that lie on their app is awful.
Thanks everyone for your input. Just to clarify - she blatantly told me she lied. Just flat out told me, and justified it by saying the schools will never verify everyone's information. I guess the reason I'm so mad about this is not just because it's wrong, but also because I'm an officer in a club she lied about being in- and to be a member we don't have dues, you have to volunteer a certain number of hours with the club. So I think that's what's fueling my fire the most - is that it's a club where participation is mandatory, so being a member is much more than "well I'm technically on the email list".
I do now see the other side of it. However, I'm shocked that some schools frown upon whistleblowing in a profession where integrity is so important. But I see what everybody is saying, and I doubt it would be worth it for me. I just pray we attend different schools.
Reviving this thread - I'm in a similar situation - a fellow applicant lied about certain experiences (said she was a member of clubs that she wasn't, lied about her shadowing hours) - intentionally. Part of me wants to let the schools know - I work my butt off juggling my schedule and she takes 2 classes, works 2 days a week, and that's it. I really don't want to be that person, but at the same time I'm a firm believer in being truthful and working hard to get what you get...so what do you all think about whistleblowing? I'd like to think it will catch up with her somehow, but I just really don't think she should get away with it.
Of course there are people that lie. Humans suck.
But instead of being mad that someone else is lying, look at it this way:
1) You can sleep at night knowing you are above reproach and;
2) They are choosing to put their entire future at risk in a way that might permanently impact their ability to work in this field.
Let them take their risk. When it bites them in the ass .... too bad.
The same thing happened to me last week in class! This girl that is applying to the VMCAS next year was telling me her plan, and her father-in-law is a vet so he's going to lie about her hours, and he's also going to enlist other vets to write req letters even though she never worked for them!
I was so upset with her! I've worked in the vet field for 10 years, and I earned all my req letters and all my hours.
I wish I could inform VMCAS to double-check her application next year, but I don't think it's my place to call out people? I don't like wishing ill on others, but I hope she doesn't get in because she didn't work for it.
She said her father-in-law will make up hundreds of hours, when really she's only worked for him for half the summer, but he's going to said she's been working for him for years. Plus working for his friends.
Do you guys think I should let VMCAS know next year? Or would that just make me a giant bitch lol?
She wants to be a vet more than anything, she said. I just don't like her at all. She's a huge cheater in her classes too...she will only take professors she knows use test banks. I would not want her as my vet. I'd rather have a vet who got C's in vet school, than someone who got A's because they cheated.
I applied this year and got 3 interviews out of the 4 schools I applied, and she asked me to email her my personal statement so she could "look at it". HELL NO! She's just going to copy parts of it, I know it.
She wants to be a vet more than anything, she said. I just don't like her at all. She's a huge cheater in her classes too...she will only take professors she knows use test banks. I would not want her as my vet. I'd rather have a vet who got C's in vet school, than someone who got A's because they cheated.
If she really goes to those lengths to pass/excel in undergrad courses, she probably wouldn't cut it in a professional program where half of those tricks won't work. If she does get in somewhere, you can at least sit back and watch that disaster unfold ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I applied this year and got 3 interviews out of the 4 schools I applied, and she asked me to email her my personal statement so she could "look at it". HELL NO! She's just going to copy parts of it, I know it.
First off, congrats on getting so many interviews! That's awesome.
It's probably wise not to share your personal statement with her if you worry about plagiarism. I once mentored someone who asked to see my resume as a template. He ended up using my resume as his with a few minor changes, but he then proceeded to show it to me for a critique. So, I politely asked him when he had acquired certain specific experiences, and he said, "Well, I observed you do those things; so, I know how to do them." I politely explained that it doesn't work that way and told him to change it. Soon after that, I transferred to another position with the same employer. About six months into the new job, my boss pulled me aside and started asking me how many people did my exact job in the old department. I was the only one with that exact job, and the person who took over my duties was not the applicant. Turns out, the guy I mentored used the resume draft with my experiences to apply for a job. Since it rolled up to the same senior manager - someone who knew me - it set off alarm bells.
The worst part was that it was a really cool job that I'd applied for a year earlier and done well on the interview. Before they could make a hiring decision, the company put a hiring freeze on that department. By the time it reopened I'd moved on to something else. The hiring manager didn't care when the senior manager told him about the inconsistencies in the guy's resume, and he ended up getting that job. No idea where he is now. And, honestly, it no longer matters as anything more than a cautionary tale.
I've had a bunch of students in class ask to see my essays to "double check" that they are doing theirs correctly....I always tell them no, but I'd be more than happy to answer any questions they might have.
I had this experience, as well. I think they meant well, honestly, but I would hate for what I said to have an influence in what/how they wrote. Personal statements should be personal!
I was in a similar situation and I had a girl who had tried to cheat off me for the past 2 years ask me to see my personal statement. Maybe she meant well, but I said no because as we've discussed I am a sadistic and ruthless God and if there's only 30 OOS people getting into OkState, she is not using 'my' PS to get in. Maybe I was harsh, or maybe she needs to figure her s*** out.I had this experience, as well. I think they meant well, honestly, but I would hate for what I said to have an influence in what/how they wrote. Personal statements should be personal!
I did that with someone on SDN, and I definitely don't mind. For me, It felt like it was just another incidence of the same girl trying to take credit for my work, and I was angry and passive aggressiveI've given lots of people my personal statement. I appreciated having examples to read when I was writing mine - and still definitely made it my own - so like to pay it forward.