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I'm trying to find a list of schools that offer it or even D.O/J.D

Also, i know you apply separately, but how does it exactly work.

Also, whats the average LSAT scores to get accepted? Is this joint degree as competitive as M.D/PhD
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My uncle did MD/JD. You basically have to get admitted into both schools (One's law school, other's Med school). U of H and Baylor have a combined 6 year MD/JD program. Pretty tough to get in though.


Oh I have no idea about DO/JD.....
 
Go on the AMCAS website and look for the lists that list all the universities with specific dual-degree programs. There is an official list of MD/JD, MD/MBA, MD/PHD, etc. I think you can actually apply to the JD portion while you're in medical school for most of the programs, so you don't have to do it concurrently. An MD/JD is a nightmare judging from what I've heard from students. Beware!
 
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Frazier said:
EDIT: you inspired me to check out the USNews rankings for the JD programs -- wow, the 75th percentile at Yale and Harvard are all the way up to 176! That's pretty damn wild.
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176 is like the 99.9th percentile and means they only got 4 questions wrong in all of the LSAT.
 
U of H average LSAT is about 158 and Baylor MCAT is around 33. I would focus on GPA first, then try to get into Baylor med with a good mcat, and lastly, if I still have any energy left in me, take the LSAT after about 2-3 days of preperation.
 
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MD + MBA seems more logical, as the two fields naturally compliment each other, especially private practice. MD/JD always seems like a weird concoction where you're going to end up working in some career that you could have gotten into with just one of the degrees... (years sooner and dollars cheaper)...

I agree, though, cool business card 😎.
 
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I have a friend who is in Georgetown's MD/JD program. It's worth it if you're interested in both law and medicine. It can be useful to have an understanding of law in the medical field, especially regarding tort laws, malpractice, etc.
 
Pandapurse said:
I have a friend who is in Georgetown's MD/JD program. It's worth it if you're interested in both law and medicine. It can be useful to have an understanding of law in the medical field, especially regarding tort laws, malpractice, etc.
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Interested in both law and medicine how? Personally interested? If you think it's worth the time and money to get both degrees for personal intellectual satisfaction then that's one thing, but it's not a very practical combination. One cannot devote full effort to practicing law and medicine at the same time. Read the link SU1989 posted earlier.

You say it's useful to have an understanding of law in the medical field, and while I agree that one should understand legal issues of relevance to health care, and understand liability for malpractice and similar things, there are so many unrelated, irrelevant concepts covered in law schools that I don't see how that at all necessitates a degree in law.
 
kautionwirez said:
you can flunk high school and make bank. you don't need an md/jd for making money.
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lol i just an article the other day of some dude that dropped out in HS and was in a gang now he is a multimillionaire. whatta boss...
 
torshi said:
lol i just an article the other day of some dude that dropped out in HS and was in a gang now he is a multimillionaire. whatta boss...
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Yahoo at it's finest 🙄

I say go for the MD/MBA. I read the MD/JD article, and the writer seems to nail it on the head -- there truly is no practical use for an MD/JD as you can learn a lot about medicine as a lawyer and a lot about law with a medical degree. Or, you could always go for an LLM (one year Master's of Law) degree after/before you enter medical school.
 
Pandapurse said:
I have a friend who is in Georgetown's MD/JD program. It's worth it if you're interested in both law and medicine. It can be useful to have an understanding of law in the medical field, especially regarding tort laws, malpractice, etc.
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Georgetown doesn't have an MD/JD program. 😕


I worked at a law firm while I was an undergrad considering law school, and after that experience I wouldn't touch the legal field with a ten-foot pole unless it was absolutely necessary.
 
Unless you have any use of it planned already, there's no point in doing most of the joint degrees. Plus, if you wait, your employer can pay for you to go get an MBA/JD, if you find that there is a good reason for you to get one.

And no, getting an MD/JD won't make you 'a boss' malpractice lawyers. The best malpractice lawyers who are 'boss' are exactly that, lawyers. They hire MDs when they need to, and bypass the years of schooling needed to basically get the same outcome. C'mon y'all get out of your bubbles...
 
johnwalldance said:
I mean once you get both you can be a boss and be a malpractice lawyer..make bank?
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Uh, no. Posts like this indicate how naive some premeds are towards lawyers. You don't need any experience in medical field, let alone a degree, to be a successful malpractice lawyer. As long as you have strong grasp in torts, you will be more than able to get into malpractice. Keep in mind though, malpractice isn't as always lucrative as people think - in fact, I met one lawyer who was in malpractice with other insurance areas besides medicine (keeps your market open).

If you are interested in law, become a lawyer. If you are interested in medicine, become a doctor. Pick and choose - don't try to fill up your ego by getting both degrees when in the end, you will end up not using one of them. Oh, and don't give me that crap about someone (n=1 or 2) successful as lawyer and doctor. Anyone who's serious about medicine knows better. If you really like law, just buy some books while you are on vacation. That'll do.

So, couple things to OP and other MD/JD supporters:
1) Lawyer isn't what you see in Law and Order. If you think that way, well maybe you think every doctor is like Dr. House.
2) There is really only one case that I can think of that MD/JD is applicable, and that's with health care policy. But even here, you don't need JD to get into policy-making or politics in general.
3) There is no such thing as physician-lawyer. Choose one, and stay with one. Oh, and maybe use Search engine? This was asked before several times.
 
Silverfalcon said:
Uh, no. Posts like this indicate how naive some premeds are towards lawyers. You don't need any experience in medical field, let alone a degree, to be a successful malpractice lawyer. As long as you have strong grasp in torts, you will be more than able to get into malpractice. Keep in mind though, malpractice isn't as always lucrative as people think - in fact, I met one lawyer who was in malpractice with other insurance areas besides medicine (keeps your market open).

If you are interested in law, become a lawyer. If you are interested in medicine, become a doctor. Pick and choose - don't try to fill up your ego by getting both degrees when in the end, you will end up not using one of them. Oh, and don't give me that crap about someone (n=1 or 2) successful as lawyer and doctor. Anyone who's serious about medicine knows better. If you really like law, just buy some books while you are on vacation. That'll do.

So, couple things to OP and other MD/JD supporters:
1) Lawyer isn't what you see in Law and Order. If you think that way, well maybe you think every doctor is like Dr. House.
2) There is really only one case that I can think of that MD/JD is applicable, and that's with health care policy. But even here, you don't need JD to get into policy-making or politics in general.
3) There is no such thing as physician-lawyer. Choose one, and stay with one. Oh, and maybe use Search engine? This was asked before several times.
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Exactly - these aren't two fields that really allow for much integration. You can't feasibly do both on a regular basis.
 
If anyone is feeling ambitious they can talk to Law2Doc about it. I remember a few years ago when he was more active in pre-allo that he would very often talk on the uselessness of the MD/JD degree. For people that don't know him, he's someone that switched from being a lawyer to entering medical school and is now a resident.
 
NickNaylor said:
Frankly I think the only reason a JD might be worth getting is if you know you're going to be in politics in the future. Even then it's probably unnecessary. But you certainly don't need a MD to be a malpractice lawyer.
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I honestly can't imagine someone getting an MD and then becoming a malpractice lawyer. It's like being a double agent 😱. Not cool.
 
ktran17 said:
I honestly can't imagine someone getting an MD and then becoming a malpractice lawyer. It's like being a double agent 😱. Not cool.
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Honestly, seeing how much some people are obsessed with how much money they will make, it doesn't surprise me at all.
 
I see how MD/JD isn't the most practical career choice, but there are atleast 20+ joint programs in the US, so it can't be totally useless (I mean, someone must be using them)....
 
Stumpyman said:
I see how MD/JD isn't the most practical career choice, but there are atleast 20+ joint programs in the US, so it can't be totally useless (I mean, someone must be using them)....
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Just because it's useless doesn't mean everyone realizes that. If you had students willingly lining up to pay you another couple years' tuition at their expense, wouldn't you hype it up into a formal program as well?
 
Silverfalcon said:
Uh, no. Posts like this indicate how naive some premeds are towards lawyers. You don't need any experience in medical field, let alone a degree, to be a successful malpractice lawyer. As long as you have strong grasp in torts, you will be more than able to get into malpractice. Keep in mind though, malpractice isn't as always lucrative as people think - in fact, I met one lawyer who was in malpractice with other insurance areas besides medicine (keeps your market open).

If you are interested in law, become a lawyer. If you are interested in medicine, become a doctor. Pick and choose - don't try to fill up your ego by getting both degrees when in the end, you will end up not using one of them. Oh, and don't give me that crap about someone (n=1 or 2) successful as lawyer and doctor. Anyone who's serious about medicine knows better. If you really like law, just buy some books while you are on vacation. That'll do.

So, couple things to OP and other MD/JD supporters:
1) Lawyer isn't what you see in Law and Order. If you think that way, well maybe you think every doctor is like Dr. House.
2) There is really only one case that I can think of that MD/JD is applicable, and that's with health care policy. But even here, you don't need JD to get into policy-making or politics in general.
3) There is no such thing as physician-lawyer. Choose one, and stay with one. Oh, and maybe use Search engine? This was asked before several times.
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not necessarily, if someone likes law and medicine they can choose to do both its not a big deal. I doubt one of the reasons people ACTUALLY pursue the joint degree is to have a higher ego, the people who say they want to do it and they don't eventually, those are the people that wanted to do it for their ego most likely.

and i guess that can work.
 
torshi said:
not necessarily, if someone likes law and medicine they can choose to do both its not a big deal. I doubt one of the reasons people ACTUALLY pursue the joint degree is to have a higher ego, the people who say they want to do it and they don't eventually, those are the people that wanted to do it for their ego most likely.

and i guess that can work.
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Yeah, because everyone has the ability to be a practicing lawyer and a practicing physician at the same time.
 
NickNaylor said:
Frankly I think the only reason a JD might be worth getting is if you know you're going to be in politics in the future. Even then it's probably unnecessary. But you certainly don't need a MD to be a malpractice lawyer.
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This is exactly what one of the docs that I used to work for is doing. While he was finishing up his JD he was actually collaborating with a few house reps in drafting a bill. I think he still has the intention of working part time as a doc though. 👍
 
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