Marijuana and being a doctor

[chman]

So basically, your sole argument is that smoking weed is bad because it's illegal? Not that it's not a good argument, but it sounds like you got refuted in your previous arguments and is now changing the topic a bit.

I think that you should read all of my previous posts on this thread before coming to a conclusion of what I think about pot. My first post should be of special issue. This is not about what I think of pot, it is about what the law says about it.

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[teenmachinery1]

You won't loose your medical license for playing world of warcraft.

i normally don't do this but you've done it twice now.

lose =/= loose.

 

[ReptarBar]

To be devil's advocate, you could also do heroin and oxycontin every two months and not be addicted physically. So this argument does not hold true.

Weed is mentally addictive, IMO.

no one here is advocating putting your license at risk to smoke weed. just arguing the statement that weed is addictive by premeds who've never tried it even though no research has shown any addictive properties. and addiction is a serious condition. please don't use the loose definitions most people on this thread continue to do.

btw, to get caught smoking weed, you would probably have to actively try.

i agree. most of you guys have never tried it, so you have a warped perception of it. it really isnt bad at all in moderation. but then again, an ecstasy user could easily say the same to me, so im just not going to try to convince anyone here.

 

[Desaad]

Pastrami is illegal?

Perhaps not, but I've always found it to be the most sensual of the cured meats.

(God I hope someone gets this reference).

 

[dingyibvs]

I think that you should read all of my previous posts on this thread before coming to a conclusion of what I think about pot. My first post should be of special issue. This is not about what I think of pot, it is about what the law says about it.

I did read the whole thread, and I'm pretty sure the World of Warcraft thing came up as a part of the "whether weed is addictive(as in differently addictive from WoW, food, etc.)" argument, no? Now how does your response address that topic?

 

[chman]

Perhaps not, but I've always found it to be the most sensual of the cured meats.

(God I hope someone gets this reference).

If only you could have a t.v too, it would be the ultimate!

 

[Crash88]

Well, yes. Anything you enjoy increases the activity of dopamine in your brain. We are all dopamine addicts. There's no way around that fact. But the danger is that marijuana has a direct effect on dopamine and dopaminergic receptors, so the level of addiction is likely higher depending on a given individual's physiology. And once you up regulate your receptors for any neurotransmitter, your body reacts to a decrease in the amount of that neurotransmitter available.

well actually it has indirect effects via endocannabanoid and opioid receptors
which later triggers a release of dopamine

--world of warcraft can also trigger a release of this dopamine via visual inputs, etc.
--the sudden release of dopamine in both cases can cause changes in dopamine receptor allocation...

no one here really knows how this amazingly complex system works and can clearly define what makes something truly "addictive"...so in the end we are reliant on case studies and individual documentation...and most cases say it is not addictive to the point of disrupting one's life

 

[Yudid]

I personally wouldn't go to the doctor that smokes marijuana or plays WoW.

 

[tjaze]

I think that you are mistaken. I am Not saying weed is as addictive as heroin. I was using that example to prove a point that one could do any number of substances and not get physically addicted. Your world of warcraft example is not comparable. Playing world of warcraft does not affect ones reaction skills and such.

but there is still a significant difference between mental cravings and addiction/dependence. the latter requires proof of significant interference with life/work/etc. most people, especially premed/med students, will not have anything close to dependence, just like for any other thing (food, warcraft). therefore, weed cannot be classified as addictive.

second, people can do whatever they want to themselves, but the second they put someone else in danger, i would have no problem with death by samurai sword for them.

 

[chman]

I did read the whole thread, and I'm pretty sure the World of Warcraft thing came up as a part of the "whether weed is addictive(as in differently addictive from WoW, food, etc.)" argument, no? Now how does your response address that topic?

Well. In my first post I said that I think weed should probably be legal and that it is less harmful than alcohol. I am not arguing that weed is the devil, or that people who do it are bad people. I have done my fare share and I think I have turned out alright.

What I am saying is that weed can be mentally addicting. What I am saying is that it is probably not a smart idea to smoke weed as a physician for a number of reasons. What I am saying is that it is asinine to compare weed to world of worcraft.

 

[Crash88]

death by samurai sword

damn...only at JHU

 

[ReptarBar]

I personally wouldn't go to the doctor that smokes marijuana.

i personally wouldnt go to a doctor that isnt able to balance activities and have a social life in college.

 

[tjaze]

If only you could have a t.v too, it would be the ultimate!

this pretzel is making me thirsty

 

[Crash88]

i personally wouldnt go to a doctor that isnt able to balance activities and have a social life in college.

ouch brutal but fair

 

[chman]

but there is still a significant difference between mental cravings and addiction/dependence. the latter requires proof of significant interference with life/work/etc. most people, especially premed/med students, will not have anything close to dependence, just like for any other thing (food, warcraft). therefore, weed cannot be classified as addictive.

second, people can do whatever they want to themselves, but the second they put someone else in danger, i would have no problem with death by samurai sword for them.

Well that's fine. I have seen people who let pot get in the way of their daily lives though. I am not saying all, but it does. I don't think occasional use is the end of the world, but smoking everyday can be destructive.

 

[Crash88]

I have seen people who let pot get in the way of their daily lives though.

and I have seen people where "world of warcraft" gets in the way of their daily lives...what's your point?

for god sakes, a kid in taiwan or some place died from playing WoW too long-- that's not addiction?
name one person who's stopped eating/drinking b/c they smoked too much weed...for god sake you probably eat too much after smoking

there's nothing uniquely wrong about weed...doing anything to an extreme is bad...
the problem with other drugs like meth is that they force the overwhelming majority of users to this extreme

 

[tjaze]

I personally wouldn't go to the doctor that smokes marijuana or plays WoW.

i think you'll find some of the best doctors and skilled surgeons will have smoked weed or continue to do so. and i never played it, but what's wrong with warcraft.

i personally wouldnt go to a doctor that isnt able to balance activities and have a social life in college.

hey, come on now. that wasn't nice.

 

[Yudid]

i personally wouldnt go to a doctor that isnt able to balance activities and have a social life in college.

Better be a good specialist that didnt balance his social life in college than a bad specialist that had very social life in school...

 

[Pet of the Week]

well actually it has indirect effects via endocannabanoid and opioid receptors
which later triggers a release of dopamine

--world of warcraft can also trigger a release of this dopamine via visual inputs, etc.
--the sudden release of dopamine in both cases can cause changes in dopamine receptor allocation...

no one here really knows how this amazingly complex system works and can clearly define what makes something truly "addictive"...so in the end we are reliant on case studies and individual documentation...and most cases say it is not addictive to the point of disrupting one's life

And since people seem to like anecdotal arguments rather than scientific ones, I'll add to your clarification of my previous argument....

I personally have known just as many people fail at life because they broke up with someone they were obviously physiologically addicted to, spent all their time looking at porn, anime, webcomics, web forums, playing video games, etc. as people who have screwed up their lives on pot.

 

[Pet of the Week]

ouch brutal but fair

Now I got in trouble for making the same point about Yudid earlier...

 

[tjaze]

Well that's fine. I have seen people who let pot get in the way of their daily lives though. I am not saying all, but it does. I don't think occasional use is the end of the world, but smoking everyday can be destructive.

well if you smoked everyday, you'd be too lazy to do anything but eat. and i usually have a problem with daily users b/c they tend to drive at the same time.

 

[ReptarBar]

Better be a good specialist that didnt balance his social life in college than a bad specialist that had very social life in school...

or maybe be the specialist that learned how to study effectively lol.

 

[chman]

well if you smoked everyday, you'd be too lazy to do anything but eat. and i usually have a problem with daily users b/c they tend to drive at the same time.

Is that not what we are talking about, daily users. I did not think we were talking about the occasional pot smoker.

 

[Yudid]

i think you'll find some of the best doctors and skilled surgeons will have smoked weed or continue to do so. and i never played it, but what's wrong with warcraft.

The very close person to me almost lost everything in his/her life because of this game, he/she got very addicted, lost all friends, failed bunch of classes, and his/her best friend became stupid elf, was on that game 24/7

 

[teenmachinery1]

well if you smoked everyday, you'd be too lazy to do anything but eat. and i usually have a problem with daily users b/c they tend to drive at the same time.

damn hippies.

 

[tjaze]

Now I got in trouble for making the same point about Yudid earlier...

it's okay that she's naive. i used to believe all the lies too until a couple years back. but that doesn't mean i'll have my breakfast organized into neat white lines anytime soon.

 

[Crash88]

In the end, taking anything to an extreme and severely disrupting your life as a result is "addiction"- physical, psychological, renal, or otherwise. Certain drugs are labeled "addictive" because the majority of their users take it to an extreme- that is not and will never be the case with marijuana...

I'd argue SDN is ten times more addictive than weed....

 

[chman]

it's okay that she's naive. i used to believe all the lies too until a couple years back. but that doesn't mean i'll have my breakfast organized into neat white lines anytime soon.

I think that we can have a discussion without name calling.

 

[Desaad]

If only you could have a t.v too, it would be the ultimate!

The Trifecta.

 

[tjaze]

Is that not what we are talking about, daily users. I did not think we were talking about the occasional pot smoker.

whoops, i thought we were discussing weed use here and there.

 

[dingyibvs]

Well. In my first post I said that I think weed should probably be legal and that it is less harmful than alcohol. I am not arguing that weed is the devil, or that people who do it are bad people. I have done my fare share and I think I have turned out alright.

What I am saying is that weed can be mentally addicting. What I am saying is that it is probably not a smart idea to smoke weed as a physician for a number of reasons. What I am saying is that it is asinine to compare weed to world of worcraft.

What a non-sequitur argument. Weed can be mentally addicting, it probably isn't a smart idea to smoke weed as a physician, therefore it's asinine to compare weed to world of warcraft? None of these three arguments follow each other.

WoW can be mentally addicting as well as a number of other things, would it be a stupid idea for a physician to play WoW and drink? And if they can both be addicting, why would it be asinine to compare them?

 

[Desaad]

this pretzel is making me thirsty

Oh Kramer, you lovable rapscallion.

 

[tjaze]

In the end, taking anything to an extreme and severely disrupting your life as a result is "addiction"- physical, psychological, renal, or otherwise. Certain drugs are labeled "addictive" because the majority of their users take it to an extreme- that is not and will never be the case with marijuana...

I'd argue SDN is ten times more addictive than weed....

i second that. i should be sleeping.

 

[Pet of the Week]

whoops, i thought we were discussing weed use here and there.

I think we've flopped back and forth which is likely my fault because I asked if anyone knew highly functional potheads.

 

[Yudid]

or maybe be the specialist that learned how to study effectively lol.

Listen, idk what life do u have but my life has been somewhat complicated, i went through bunch of sh%t which i didnt have to go though. But then it was just my way, my life, and probably my fate. I'll make long story short, i dont live the life that i want, i live how i can... Same with school, i am studying the way i can, the way i know, if u know more efficient and easier way then tell me

 

[chman]

No kidding this is getting very redundant and I need sleep. To all a good night.

 

[Pet of the Week]

The very close person to me almost lost everything in his/her life because of this game, he/she got very addicted, lost all friends, failed bunch of classes, and his/her best friend became stupid elf, was on that game 24/7

I personally hate marijuana because of what it has done to some of the people I love. And I knew the before and afters, so I know that the results have been largely due to the marijuana.... So I understand your position, and how frustrating it can be to see someone damage themselves like that. I just try to keep my personal experiences and opinions out of discussions like this and stick to the science.

 

[ReptarBar]

aha im just giving you a hard time lol. not being serious.

it looks like this thread is nearly over. and sick mcat scores ding and crash.

 

[chman]

What a non-sequitur argument. Weed can be mentally addicting, it probably isn't a smart idea to smoke weed as a physician, therefore it's asinine to compare weed to world of warcraft? None of these three arguments follow each other.

WoW can be mentally addicting as well as a number of other things, would it be a stupid idea for a physician to play WoW and drink? And if they can both be addicting, why would it be asinine to compare them?

I think that all of my comments make sense when taken into account. But that's ok, I officially give up. Good Night.

 

[Yudid]

I personally hate marijuana because of what it has done to some of the people I love. And I knew the before and afters, so I know that the results have been largely due to the marijuana.... So I understand your position, and how frustrating it can be to see someone damage themselves like that. I just try to keep my personal experiences and opinions out of discussions like this and stick to the science.

Yes it was very painful to look at all that stuff. Thanks for understanding

 

[Van Chowder]

This is what big tobacco said a few years ago. You can also not find a death that can be 100% attributed to the smoking of tobacco.

hmmm funny how about 1239818923 studies say otherwise.. but ok.

 

[dingyibvs]

I personally hate marijuana because of what it has done to some of the people I love. And I knew the before and afters, so I know that the results have been largely due to the marijuana.... So I understand your position, and how frustrating it can be to see someone damage themselves like that. I just try to keep my personal experiences and opinions out of discussions like this and stick to the science.

I've known people's lives destroyed by drinking and games like World of Warcraft, too. The key is moderation, and games, drinking, and smoking, when enjoyed with moderation(and the definition of moderation varies from person to person, some rare people can smoke everyday and function at a high level, for example), can all be beneficial.

 

[Van Chowder]

You have to place the post you quoted of mine in context with the original post.

It said that he was sober after two hours of smoking marijuana.

So my question to him was- would he feel comfortable seeing a doctor two hours after he got done smoking weed. After the doctor tells him that he's sober after two hours.

Ok I apologize, you make a valid point.

He is just an idiot.
I am an advocate for the safe use of marijuana, but if you think you are ''sober'' after two hours, you are just plain stupid.

 

[Pet of the Week]

I've known people's lives destroyed by drinking and games like World of Warcraft, too. The key is moderation, and games, drinking, and smoking, when enjoyed with moderation(and the definition of moderation varies from person to person, some rare people can smoke everyday and function at a high level, for example), can all be beneficial.

It's easier to hate the vice than the person.

 

[Seattle]

I personally hate marijuana because of what it has done to some of the people I love. And I knew the before and afters, so I know that the results have been largely due to the marijuana.... So I understand your position, and how frustrating it can be to see someone damage themselves like that. I just try to keep my personal experiences and opinions out of discussions like this and stick to the science.

Don't know what you guys are talking about, marijuana doesn't do much but cause cancer. Everyone should just hit the joint and see what its like before judging others. Everyone seems to be stuck in their own little minds and not stepping out to see other perspectives. A person who doesn't smoke marijuana is no better than a person who does. Marijuana does not make you lazy. If a person who smokes marijuana on a daily basis and seems to be really lazy, its not the marijuana, its the person who is lazy. I use to get lifted everyday after school AND play WoW.

 

[Yudid]

Ok I apologize, you make a valid point.

He is just an idiot.
I am an advocate for the safe use of marijuana, but if you think you are ''sober'' after two hours, you are just plain stupid.

So what is the safe use? How do we know when to stop? What is the norm? If ppl knew answers to these questions world probably wouldnt have addicts

 

[neuromd03]

FYI, the medical board directs physicians to report physicians who are abusing drugs because they are a threat to the public.

 

[neuromd03]

Don't know what you guys are talking about, marijuana doesn't do much but cause cancer. Everyone should just hit the joint and see what its like before judging others. Everyone seems to be stuck in their own little minds and not stepping out to see other perspectives. A person who doesn't smoke marijuana is no better than a person who does. Marijuana does not make you lazy. If a person who smokes marijuana on a daily basis and seems to be really lazy, its not the marijuana, its the person who is lazy. I use to get lifted everyday after school AND play WoW.

I hope you don't get into medical school.

 

[Yudid]

I hope you don't get into medical school.

I know it is rude but i agree +1

 

[Yudid]

FYI, the medical board directs physicians to report physicians who are abusing drugs because they are a threat to the public.

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