Monster Mash WW - Sign Ups and Game Thread

[Crayola227]

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Why didn't you switch?

It happened to fast, with the tally I wasn't sure if AM or Coffee was going to go down. Brindi did her reveal pretty late, and it did pop in my head if she was a wolf and wanted another day to use her PR for the pack that would not have been a bad wolf move.

I already said why I wasnt moving to Coffee like LIS has been pushing so hard. I hate how hard he pushes his votes for the noobs and then tries to bully other players into it (he did that with Ceke, and me and other noobs multiple times). He does it when he's wolf and villager so his opinion on noobs or sketchy players means nothing to me when he doesn't back it up with his razor sharp villager logic. When he actually makes good points or says the sort of reasoning I quote like scripture, I take notice. He's not giving what I call his razor sharp villager play. He's obviously not the seer so his word on Coffee means even less. I doubted he would make such a vague case for Coffee if he was seer trying to get her killed for being a wolf, he would have made a better case and probably appealed to more players than me. I think he thinks I'm easy to manipulate because I like his play. So I try to keep that in mind when I'm not sure of his affiliation.

 

[Melchizedek]

Spoiler: GIF

Reading. Will catch up.

 

[bryndiana.jones]

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Good luck village!
Would comment more but I'm pretty sure I'll get my hand slapped!
*******

 

[LetItSnow]

It happened to fast

No it didn't. I told you multiple times to switch, and rationally, it was the right move for you if you wanted to protect AM.

Has nothing to do with you not being totally on board my Coffee lynch. I get that. I get that you don't like my reason, and I get that you wouldn't - all things being equal - lynch Coffee. But you placed a priority on protecting AM; but your voting didn't bear that out. Sometimes you have to lynch someone you're less enthusiastic about lynching in order to protect someone you want to protect .... you said you wanted to protect AM, but then you didn't vote that way.

That's suspicious.

 

[LetItSnow]

It happened to fast, with the tally I wasn't sure if AM or Coffee was going to go down. Brindi did her reveal pretty late, and it did pop in my head if she was a wolf and wanted another day to use her PR for the pack that would not have been a bad wolf move.

I already said why I wasnt moving to Coffee like LIS has been pushing so hard. I hate how hard he pushes his votes for the noobs and then tries to bully other players into it (he did that with Ceke, and me and other noobs multiple times). He does it when he's wolf and villager so his opinion on noobs or sketchy players means nothing to me when he doesn't back it up with his razor sharp villager logic. When he actually makes good points or says the sort of reasoning I quote like scripture, I take notice. He's not giving what I call his razor sharp villager play. He's obviously not the seer so his word on Coffee means even less. I doubted he would make such a vague case for Coffee if he was seer trying to get her killed for being a wolf, he would have made a better case and probably appealed to more players than me. I think he thinks I'm easy to manipulate because I like his play. So I try to keep that in mind when I'm not sure of his affiliation.

Also, STOP IT WITH THIS N00B CRAP.

I push hard to lynch *ANYONE* I want lynched. How long they have played has nothing to do with it. On top of that - you haven't even SEEN me push hard to lynch someone. Go read how hard I pushed some lynches on people like DocE, Rojo, DVMD, and SOV .... all veterans.

This "LIS hates n00bs" thing is a total fiction. And it's really dumb. This game feels like 75% n00bs - yeah, I'm going to push hard to lynch some. So what?

 

[Animal Midwife]

Contingency Lynch coffee

 

[LetItSnow]

Spoiler: GIF

Reading. Will catch up.

Here's the summary:

You're a wolf.

Carry on.

 

[LetItSnow]

Welp.. i got on too late.. sorry guys! Sorry AM! I will trust Bjones on this and reevaluate. You just rubbed me the wrong way

Hmm....

 

[Animal Midwife]

@youngkal I want your real reads now.

 

[youngkal]

@youngkal I want your real reads now.

Those were real reads, i was wrong we all have been.

 

[WeimMama]

Haaaaiii I’m actually getting ready for bed but just to get a few thoughts out there...

I was semi following the game until I just subbed for mixy, so basically I read all of D3 but need to go back and take another look at prior to that.

The major things that stuck out to me are - the coffee vs LIS situation seemed noob village vs village to me but I didn’t like coffees seemingly double retaliatory votes.

Cray is posting way less and I can actually understand what she is saying!!! So either she is making a concerted effort to have a play style more people enjoy or else is trying to be less obnoxious as a wolf I also really REALLY hate her ignoring the last minute tie situation as ornate was unfolding. I get you’re not about a coffee Lynch right now but when it’s an unknown player that you just aren’t feeling vs our likely village seer (who could have possibly used her role for one or more nights further before being wolf killed) and two likely confirmed villagers.... like come on. It’s a no brainer. So yeah I really hated that and it was a major red flag for me.

And then snowy/cheezyD jumping around to all the wrong people at the last minute on that Lynch and being all “I didn’t know what was happening” even though she had to have read far enough on the thread to see BJs post in order to even know that votes needed to be moved around.... sigh. I think the fact that she even tried to move votes instead of ignoring it all together and acting like she was still reading or not here at all makes her look village to me but dang that was stressful to watch even though I was reading it like 20 mins after it occurred haha

 

[Animal Midwife]

I also need to vote Snowy, but...

 

[youngkal]

Contingency Lynch coffee

What are your feels? I saw LIS reason but I’d like to hear yours!

 

[youngkal]

I also need to vote Snowy, but...

When you have a subbed player do you consider what the old one said too?!

 

[Animal Midwife]

What are your feels? I saw LIS reason but I’d like to hear yours!

Good feels. I've had some odd interaction with Coffee all day.

 

[Animal Midwife]

When you have a subbed player do you consider what the old one said too?!

Yeah...

 

[LetItSnow]

When you have a subbed player do you consider what the old one said too?!

Yeah, although it's a little hard, because the new player is going to read things differently. So yeah, you consider what the old one said, but only in the context of other stuff the old one said.

At least, that's my take on it. Dunno if that's the best approach.

 

[vetmedhead]

None? NONE?

More proof that mods lie!

Your lynches don't count, you're practically a landmine that can type 😛

Use a 6-sided with 6 being "Everyone voting for either of them dies."

See? Landmine with a keyboard. I approve.

P.S. Where do I get me one of those "doctor's companions"? Do I need to get that added to my contract?

You don't need a contract, just good locks on your van doors

 

[vetmedhead]

Yeah, never let modding make you fond of them and cloud your feelings on the game. It's one thing if you learn about their actual gameplay.

No, definitely let modding make you fond of them and cloud your feelings on the game. Is everyone listening? I demand to be loved at all times

 

[Melchizedek]

Spoiler: MixedAnimals - Genny Exchange

I'm saying like her play is not contributing to help village much imo. Yes I know wolves are out to win. With that though if they are at least contributing to thread after we flip a wolf at least go back and I can find some truth in some of their posts to help me differentiate some village off my sketch list. So a contributing wolf for me is more helpful than what AM was putting out during lynch.

Are you kidding me? You think you'll get anything truthful out of a wolf post? Good luck with that.

I can't tell if Genny is intentionally being dense here. MA isn't saying that a wolf would outright post truths, but that post analysis with a flip helps catch other wolves (a basic principle of the game). Sketch points to Genny for tossing chum in the water to see if it'll take.

Spoiler: YK - AM Exchange

Okay you are not really being consistent. I’m trying to see if she is being consistent to get an opionion on her. I have my opinions and they are posted on the thread. I dont know how the bolded seems odd as it points out that you are asking why I am doing something when you are doing the same thing.. which is sketchy and inconsistent.

Okay, so I'm not being consistent because Kara might not be consistent? And because I'm asking for your motivation behind this it's sketchy?

Same as above. AM, you know that checking for consistencies in logic is a good wolf hunting tool. There's is a perfectly good reason to highlight someone potentially giving sketch points to person A but not to person B for a similar action.

Not really I don't think it's too bad I mean sometimes when I read Crayola's posts I start thinking and daydreaming about what I'd like to do when I retire or where to go on vacation but then I read the next person's posts, like Genny, and I start getting refocused on the game and then wham out of nowhere comes Kaydub with some "YOU ALL VOTE NOW OR I KILL YOU" type of mod thing, or maybe that's WZ, I can never remember, but by the time I absorb it all and process and start to think about how to vote I'm really just ready for a snack, a drink, and a nap and then by the time I wake up and can pay attention again it's like oops I missed the lynch and now it's bedtime and I might as well just jump back in tomorrow morning.

LIS REALLY PLAYING THE GRANDPA LOSING HIS MARBLES CARD HARD THIS GAME.

Yes!



What made you change your mind on Snowy? You pointed out Snowy as sketchy, then offered up a sort-of soft vouch that her behavior is within her meta, and I'm not seeing any activity by Snowy in between those two different statements.

And do you have any reads on someone who's actually posting today? So far, it sounds like you just suspect the quiet people.

Jboo is reading like a noob with one successful way to wolf hunt (picking on the lurkers). Once again feels like Genny chumming the water.

She defended me. I didnt want her to die instead of mel

IF YOU LOOK CLOSELY MEL WAS ALSO ADVOCATING NOT LYNCHING YOU BASED ON POST ACTIVITY ALONE. jerkface.

Keep an eye on all the people that wamt to kill me

Reads so painfully noob village.

End of pg 12. Almost there.

 

[WildZoo]

Night closed, results pending

 

[WildZoo]

N3

He wasn't just any old genie. I mean, he could grant your wishes, if your wishes involved maximum bloodshed. In any case he'd be more inclined to make you hallucinate that your dreams were coming true...all the while slowly draining you of your blood and feeding on your life force.

He was a force to be reckoned with, but he wasn't all-powerful, and sadly had been unable to carry out his missions as of late. A beautiful creature, my djinn, especially when working his magic. He was persistent in his quest, but a silver knife dipped in lamb's blood was enough to extinguish his blue glow.

Dead is @LetItSnow, who was a Djinn, and the village vigilante

12 players remain
1. @Animal Midwife
5. @youngkal
6. @Coopah
7. @Crayola227
8. @Stella Mudd
9. SnowshoeDog143 @Melchizedek
10. @allieh8607
11. @Mad Jack
13. @genny
14. MixedAnimals77 @WeimMama
16. @CoffeeQuestionMark
17. @Haxx

Super Double Extra Purgatory
3. Melchizedek - Werewolf
2. johnnaboo - Kitsune
15. Karabiner13 - Vampire
4. bryndiana.jones - Jefferson Starship, seer
12. LetItSnow - Djinn, vigilante

 

[Melchizedek]

Did you read the thread or are you just asking questions to ask questions?

This. The more AM I read the more wolfy she gets. Usually her dog-with-a-bone type questioning has some sort of path, you can see where she's going with it. Most of her questions so far have seemed manufactured like she's trying to recreate that.

Had a bunch of stuff about LIS, but I saw he flipped already.

The LIS v Coffee? Reminds me so much of how I reacted to LIS during my first couple of games. Makes me think village.

Spoiler: Not Game Related.

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!

My name is CheezyD. You'll live haha

I agree, coffee is gross. Never really wakes me up, gives me the jitters. It's the worst.

Coffee is dirty water. Gross.

Both of you shut your blasphemy holes.

I feel like there is minimal here but I said I wanted to look at it...so here it is

D1: Kara lynched Mel, she did not waffle, according to my notes. Someone correct me if I am wrong

D2: Kara started on AM then waffled to Jboo.

She had an eye on me (side-eye) and Allie at the start of yesterday. I’m not getting anything too over powering that the wolves would want her gone. Anyone else have any thoughts? Something I’m missing?

This. I REALLY like this level of analysis. 👍 to you YK.

Remember that time CheezyD tried?

I never tried, I very specifically stated that I'd take whatever nickname y'all gave me.

 

[Crayola227]

This. The more AM I read the more wolfy she gets. Usually her dog-with-a-bone type questioning has some sort of path, you can see where she's going with it. Most of her questions so far have seemed manufactured like she's trying to recreate that.

Had a bunch of stuff about LIS, but I saw he flipped already.

The LIS v Coffee? Reminds me so much of how I reacted to LIS during my first couple of games. Makes me think village.

Spoiler: Not Game Related.

My name is CheezyD. You'll live haha



Both of you shut your blasphemy holes.


This. I REALLY like this level of analysis. 👍 to you YK.


I never tried, I very specifically stated that I'd take whatever nickname y'all gave me.

So we don't think BJ was the village seer clearing AM and Haxx? Or we think she was wolf seer in black text?

 

[Crayola227]

lol the writeup does say village seer

not sure why BJ would lie about AM and Haxx

 

[Melchizedek]

So we don't think BJ was the village seer clearing AM and Haxx? Or we think she was wolf seer in black text?

Last post was end of 16. Are you referring to this:

If you are talking about my posts ISOing MA, JB, and AM, I posted the one of AM because I felt (and still do feel) she is village. I didn't interact much with YK yesterday...and since I said I thought Mixy might be different I went back to check. I was just curious how you are/were connecting YK and I. Also, my post volume hasn't really changed, I'm just posting later in the day.

Because yeah, knowing now that BJ was the seer, I can see this as her clearing AM.

But what IS super interesting is this:

Really not loving this AM lynch! Again.

I may be tunneling her as village, and maybe I'm just fighting the mob too much.

Sometimes someone isn't going to buy your defense, sorry. You're [Bryndiana] just feeling wolfier and wolfier to me.

BJ was with you on not lynching AM but she continued to look wolfy to you? Hmm....

end of pg 18 now.

 

[Crayola227]

LIS REALLY PLAYING THE GRANDPA LOSING HIS MARBLES CARD HARD THIS GAME.

That was the reason I didn't trust LIS much this game. Seems I was wrong. Even when he's village and is losing his marbles, it's not always right to trust him, especially if he's tunneling a noob.

I'm definitely going to take a closer look at Coffee now.

 

[Animal Midwife]

That was the reason I didn't trust LIS much this game. Seems I was wrong. Even when he's village and is losing his marbles, it's not always right to trust him, especially if he's tunneling a noob.

I'm definitely going to take a closer look at Coffee now.

Why?

 

[Crayola227]

Last post was end of 16. Are you referring to this:

Because yeah, knowing now that BJ was the seer, I can see this as her clearing AM.

But what IS super interesting is this:



BJ was with you on not lynching AM but she continued to look wolfy to you? Hmm....

end of pg 18 now.

You mean a wolf agreeing with a villager that another villager looks villager? That never happens... just because someone agrees with me doesn't clear them in my book. It might make me lean, but gotta look at the whole picture. I made my case why I thought BJ was looking wolfy. As LIS pointed out, seer is hard when you can't PM, and you don't have experience, it can make you look sketch. I think that's what happened here. I'm not the only one that pointed out issues with her play.

 

[Melchizedek]

Alright then, if that's how this is going to go. I would switch my vote to AM for self prez, but even if I do you all probably wouldn't let me live for long. I'm the village seer, so here's the information I have gotten so far.

Haxx- village
AM- village

Would post the lynch tallies with colors but....it's not copying correctly. Happy hunting!

ohhhhhhh this is what you mean.....

unlynch haxx
lynch AM

lol right. Just trying to save bj. But didn't think about that. Don't feel the coffee lynch.

unlynch AM
lynch Haxx

WHAT THE **** @SnowshoeDog143

 

[Crayola227]

Why?

Because now I can trust that LIS was being 100% honest (I couldn't know that before he flipped village). I didn't know if LIS vs Coff was w/v vs w/v, at least now I know it was v vs ?

In any case, he was villager, so his expressed concern over Coffee is real. Any concern from a confirmed villager I look at more strongly than ? players.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Because now I can trust that LIS was being 100% honest (I couldn't know that before he flipped village). I didn't know if LIS vs Coff was w/v vs w/v, at least now I know it was v vs ?

In any case, he was villager, so his expressed concern over Coffee is real. Any concern from a confirmed villager I look at more strongly than ? players.

But do you think he was right? What about when the original Mel died? What about when Kara died? What about bryndy's suspicions? Do you have a village core?

 

[Animal Midwife]

@Melchizedek How did you know LIS flipped?

 

[Crayola227]

But do you think he was right? What about when the original Mel died? What about when Kara died? What about bryndy's suspicions? Do you have a village core?

I'm not sure if LIS was right, I'm going to look over Coffee's exchanges with him and where I think LIS got suspicious more closely. I think I might have dismissed it too much the first read through, so it deserves more attention.

I'm confused what you mean if I thought he was right about Mel O or Kara.

Well, you've been in my village core from the start. Coopah too.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I'm not sure if LIS was right, I'm going to look over Coffee's exchanges with him and where I think LIS got suspicious more closely. I think I might have dismissed it too much the first read through, so it deserves more attention.

I'm confused what you mean if I thought he was right about Mel O or Kara.

Well, you've been in my village core from the start. Coopah too.

I meant that you said you trust confirmed villager reads over unknowns. Both Mel, Kara, and bryndy had different suspicions. I don't think they were followed up on.

 

[Coopah]

Because now I can trust that LIS was being 100% honest (I couldn't know that before he flipped village). I didn't know if LIS vs Coff was w/v vs w/v, at least now I know it was v vs ?

In any case, he was villager, so his expressed concern over Coffee is real. Any concern from a confirmed villager I look at more strongly than ? players.

This is the second time you've done this. Is this a typo or what?

 

[Crayola227]

That's probably true. Mel called out Allie, and since then she's been high on my sketchdar. It's probably worth looking over O Mel and Kara and BJ's posts again.

 

[Melchizedek]

@Melchizedek How did you know LIS flipped?

Because I was keeping up with the new posts in one tab while catching up from Mel#1's death in another tab. Thats why I was able to respond to Cray while I was still on pg 18.

Genny at the top of my sketch list.
MJ is a ?
MixyMama is a ?
Everyone else I'm town-reading. I'm getting off of SDN to study for an Immuno final, but if you want a specific reason for someone, ask and I'll get to it after the exam.

 

[Crayola227]

This is the second time you've done this. Is this a typo or what?

Maybe people don't know what I mean when I write "don't know if it was w/v v w/v

wolf versus wolf
wolf versus villager
villager versus wolf
villager versus villager

my point is that with two unknown players, it can be hard to tell which of the 4 permutations it is, and I haven't found a great way to abbreviate that

plus think I like the look of w/v v w/v

 

[Haxx]

Well this is not ideal.

 

[Crayola227]

I felt like before the flip that LIS vs Coffee could have been any of the above, since I was ambivalent on LIS and wasn't sure how founded or even truthful his concerns were.

Since I felt like I couldn't know, I focused on others pinging my sketchdar more than either of those players. Plus I been trying to preservate AM and Coop.

Is NOW the OK time to say I was right on AM? Basically, I don't think I'm crazy that I've voted to try to protect my village core while taking out who I think is sketchy.

I'm sorry if people don't like that tabled LIS and Coffee.

 

[LetItSnow]

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So, yeah, like, go villagers.

Or something.
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[vetmedhead]

w/v v w/v

I'm adding this onto the list of things that break my brain to read

 

[Crayola227]

I'm adding this onto the list of things that break my brain to read

the way it's written it could literally read

wolf or villager versus wolf or villager

 

[Crayola227]

It's what I say when I mean to say that the exchange doesn't lean me to any particular one of the 4 possibilities that such an exchange could be

it means when I read it I can imagine it fitting in with any of the 4

 

[Animal Midwife]

Because I was keeping up with the new posts in one tab while catching up from Mel#1's death in another tab. Thats why I was able to respond to Cray while I was still on pg 18.

Genny at the top of my sketch list.
MJ is a ?
MixyMama is a ?
Everyone else I'm town-reading. I'm getting off of SDN to study for an Immuno final, but if you want a specific reason for someone, ask and I'll get to it after the exam.

I guess it confused me that you didn't see bryndy in the writeup as well.

 

[Animal Midwife]

the way it's written it could literally read

wolf or villager versus wolf or villager

That's literally every interaction in this game.

 

[Crayola227]

That's literally every interaction in this game.

I don't agree. Some interactions I have come out and said "I read this as wolf vs villager." Of course I can't know that anymore than I can know Coopah is villager. But you can lean and have suspicions. I suspect Coopah is village and I suspect the earlier Allie vs Coop was w vs v.

Not seeing that this is an issue to think this way.

Maybe it's more cray Cray.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I don't agree. Some interactions I have come out and said "I read this as wolf vs villager." Of course I can't know that anymore than I can know Coopah is villager. But you can lean and have suspicions. I suspect Coopah is village and I suspect the earlier Allie vs Coop was w vs v.

Not seeing that this is an issue to think this way.

Maybe it's more cray Cray.

I wasn't saying it was an issue, but rather every interaction has to be either v/v, v/w, or w/w. Leans are fine though.

 

[Coopah]

Because I was keeping up with the new posts in one tab while catching up from Mel#1's death in another tab. Thats why I was able to respond to Cray while I was still on pg 18.

Genny at the top of my sketch list.
MJ is a ?
MixyMama is a ?
Everyone else I'm town-reading. I'm getting off of SDN to study for an Immuno final, but if you want a specific reason for someone, ask and I'll get to it after the exam.

So why do you think cray is village? What are your thoughts on coffee?