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Have you found a job yet? There is a position in Missouri if you are interested
I had to relocate to a rural area in Oregon few months ago to land an offer. Now, this area, though being rural and remote, is really saturated and no openings in the chains at all. Days ago I saw a recently graduated pharmD looking for a job and he has been trying for few months with no luck. The east coast is even worse. I hope I can pay my debt as soon as possible and just get the hell out of this career. I'm thinking of joining a PA program.
I'm thinking the same thing I'm scheduling an appointment with my school's PA program director.
Yup, mikey was without a job for what seemed like forever
Well, to be fair, I really only looked HARD for like 4-5 months being that WVU made my wife go to rotations all over the effing region because they hate me (my theory, unproven.) But I was out of the game for a year total. But in the end we both have jobs on the East Coast in a major metro. I'm pretty happy. I found at the time that multiple positions were available in Texas. In fact, I was about to move to Tyler, TX in late 2010, but got a last second offer in Philly.
I think Philly is a bit better than Tyler, TX. Real question is would you have moved to Pittsburgh if the offer was there (same pay, etc)?
WTF... you two are worse than a ****ing episode of Moonlighting...
You need to stop making excuses and move off the east coast (and no, not to Cali). You can complain about how you can't find work despite being the most magic of unicorns but there are plenty of jobs. Most of these thread have a common theme which alway gets a pass (besides by Mike) which is the absolute refusal to move to a place with jobs. You could get a job tomorrow, if you were willing move
I'm thinking the same thing I'm scheduling an appointment with my school's PA program director.
What about Houston and Austin?
In Houston, "saturated" is an understatement.Where in the US are there a lot of pharmacy jobs, but are also top locations for young single people who like to party. The East Coast and Cali are out. What about Houston and Austin?
Where in the US are there a lot of pharmacy jobs, but are also top locations for young single people who like to party. The East Coast and Cali are out. What about Houston and Austin?
Getting a job in Austin is like getting a job in NYC or Philly. Nepotism/personal favors...or no chance.
You need to stop making excuses and move off the east coast (and no, not to Cali). You can complain about how you can't find work despite being the most magic of unicorns but there are plenty of jobs. Most of these thread have a common theme which alway gets a pass (besides by Mike) which is the absolute refusal to move to a place with jobs. You could get a job tomorrow, if you were willing move
Stay away from the South East. South Florida is done!
Same in Miami.
Something needs to be said about relocating. The answer to one's employment troubles isn't as simple as "shut up and move".
It takes money to move. I graduated May 2012 and I'm still without employment. I wrote about this earlier . I currently reside in Miami. Yes, I know. Miami is unsurprisingly saturated. I'm here, however, due to finances. My rotations left me broke. No money what-so-ever. And I needed to stay with family since I can not afford rent.
Employers are spending absolutely no money on relocation assistance. I recently had an interview with a retail chain that asked if I was willing to relocate to which I said "yes". I asked if they gave employees any assistance, the answer was "no". The interview instantly ended after that exchange.
I've read through many pharmacy threads enunciating employment woes and the most common advice is "move!". It is not that simple. Recently, I scheduled a few interviews in the middle of nowhere Florida in the hopes that if I got hired perhaps I can scrape some money together to afford first and last month rent should I get hired. These interviews didn't even happen; the managers hired pharmacist for the position before I could sit and interview for them! I obviously need to move, correct? And I think it's also obvious that I need to move to another state due to market saturation.
I've made plans to obtain two other licenses. This of course is going to cost more money. Eventually one has to do a cost/benefit analysis and determine if continued effort is worth it. I'm moving to live with family in another state. I will enroll in community college to work on credits for a career shift if I can't find employment as I can't afford to pay for license after license to move to areas with uncertain hiring prospects. It's ridiculous.
This mini-rant wasn't directed at you. I just wanted to comment on the notion of moving. It just isn't that simple.
Stay away from the South East. South Florida is done!
Same in Miami.
Something needs to be said about relocating. The answer to one's employment troubles isn't as simple as "shut up and move".
It takes money to move. I graduated May 2012 and I'm still without employment. I wrote about this earlier . I currently reside in Miami. Yes, I know. Miami is unsurprisingly saturated. I'm here, however, due to finances. My rotations left me broke. No money what-so-ever. And I needed to stay with family since I can not afford rent.
Employers are spending absolutely no money on relocation assistance. I recently had an interview with a retail chain that asked if I was willing to relocate to which I said "yes". I asked if they gave employees any assistance, the answer was "no". The interview instantly ended after that exchange.
I've read through many pharmacy threads enunciating employment woes and the most common advice is "move!". It is not that simple. Recently, I scheduled a few interviews in the middle of nowhere Florida in the hopes that if I got hired perhaps I can scrape some money together to afford first and last month rent should I get hired. These interviews didn't even happen; the managers hired pharmacist for the position before I could sit and interview for them! I obviously need to move, correct? And I think it's also obvious that I need to move to another state due to market saturation.
I've made plans to obtain two other licenses. This of course is going to cost more money. Eventually one has to do a cost/benefit analysis and determine if continued effort is worth it. I'm moving to live with family in another state. I will enroll in community college to work on credits for a career shift if I can't find employment as I can't afford to pay for license after license to move to areas with uncertain hiring prospects. It's ridiculous.
This mini-rant wasn't directed at you. I just wanted to comment on the notion of moving. It just isn't that simple.
...Even though I would never tell anyone to enter our profession--- I think the whole woah is me I don't have gas money to drive to a job interview and am going to take community college classes is outrageous...
You don't move until after you have the job. If you were able to get a job somewhere, wouldn't you somehow then find a way to move to that place?
And relocation assistance still exists out there. You just need to find an employer who is that desperate.
t takes money to move. I graduated May 2012 and I'm still without employment.
Yes, moving is hard and it takes money but you have to accept the fact that you have to move. Class of 2013 is graduating soon and if you loans are in forbearance then soon you will have to start paying your student loans or you will default. If you do, your credit score is going down the tube and it will be on your record for 7 years. It may hurt your chance of getting a mortgage later on. In addition, your credit line is going to be slashed. If you have not done so already, sign up for creditkarma.com to monitor your credit score for free. It will also tell you how much money you owe in your student loans, car, credit card, etc. Again, it is free and it takes 15 mins to sign up. Good luck to you.
It's ok to default. The whole world is going to default. Don't kill yourself trying to pay back the unpayable.
I interned for Kroger my entire four years of pharmacy school and had a job locked in before I graduated. *shrug*
When I started my first year as a tech there were 3 interns from our class working in our kma. Now there are 7... And only 0-1 pharmacist positions available per year. I don't have plans to work for the company but those odds really aren't good. I don't think any of the other interns have even considered it either because I ask them and all of them are thinking they'll get hired on after.
The jobs are out there. God damn look. Don"t just send your resume online and fill out an app online and wait for a response.
I graduated high school in 2004.
Here's pretty much the factual statements about our profession:
1. Very few people find retail pharmacy rewarding (high pressure, low help, customers, etc)
2. More people find hospital pharmacy rewarding but even staffing positions are requiring years of experience or a PGY-1 residency
3. Clinical speciality jobs, which are very rare (<1% of our profession) nearly always require PGY-2 or >10 years experience.
4. 80% of the jobs are in retail pharmacy
5. The number of pharmacy schools has increased from ~80 in 2000 to ~130 in 2012. We are looking at ~50% more graduates than one decade ago.
6. Costs of pharmacy school are outrageous and almost always > $100K and nearing $200K for many students.
7. The pharmacist is the most expensive payroll expense for the retail pharmacies, who by law, hold fiduciary duty to their shareholders (ie: by law need to pay as little as possible)
8. Healthcare consumes http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505123_...ts-173-percent-of-gdp-in-largest-annual-jump/ 17% of our GDP. This is by all measures is unsubstainable. We pay twice as much as every other 1st-world country. This will eventually change.
So what am I doing? Paying off loans. Renting. Traveling the world when I can because when this musical chairs is over I want to at least know it was fun while it lasted.
I am employed by the COP but HCA was begging me to work PRN during my PGY2 cause they can't hire anyone full time. Oh, HCA, how I love you so....
You never mentioned what state your in.
On a good note, my hospital and others in the area have such a large pool of pharmacists to choose from for their staff positions that they are now demanding that the future staff pharmacist have a PharmD and at least 1 year or residency....so your ahead of the game in that respect.
You need to stop making excuses and move off the east coast (and no, not to Cali). You can complain about how you can't find work despite being the most magic of unicorns but there are plenty of jobs. Most of these thread have a common theme which alway gets a pass (besides by Mike) which is the absolute refusal to move to a place with jobs. You could get a job tomorrow, if you were willing move
Sorry about that. I graduated in 1973 (5 yr. program) and was injured in a motor vehicle accident in 1998. Finally able to work part time in 2007 and worked for Rite Aid for about 9 months until they screwed me. Out of work for another 9 months (able to collect unemployment, at least) until an old student of mine surrendipidiouly (sp) found me and gave me a part time job. They the economy tanked, and FIFO. I've been looking for a job since March 2009 with absolutely no luck. Even tried to be a tech, but no one wanted to hire me, even at $20/hr.
I'm in NJ and can't move for several reasons. Just refinanced my mortgage, my wife is a teacher (25 years) and if we move, we'll lose a ton of money on the house, and she won't be able to work in another state unless she takes the PRAXIS, which is a whole lot harder than the NABPLEX. There are no jobs in NJ, PA, FL, CA. So what do you suggest I do? I'm 63, can't stand for more than 4 hours without sitting for 30 minutes (mucho herniated discs) and can't work full time.
The world would have been a whole lot better if either 5 year guys like me were grandfathered into Pharm D.'s or at least could just do clinical rotations part time to make up the last year. I just looked into becoming a Physician's Assistant. At $613 per credit for 54 credits (in-state tuition) and a 27 month long program, I can't afford it.
Just sayin'
Sounds like you need a specific job. it would be difficult in any profession to find a specific job.
Sounds like it may be time for you to retire anyways. You haven't had a job in years, so obviously you are not hurting all that much financially. Time to go volunteer at your local zoo and be a docent.
Sorry about that. I graduated in 1973 (5 yr. program) and was injured in a motor vehicle accident in 1998. Finally able to work part time in 2007 and worked for Rite Aid for about 9 months until they screwed me. Out of work for another 9 months (able to collect unemployment, at least) until an old student of mine surrendipidiouly (sp) found me and gave me a part time job. They the economy tanked, and FIFO. I've been looking for a job since March 2009 with absolutely no luck. Even tried to be a tech, but no one wanted to hire me, even at $20/hr.
I'm in NJ and can't move for several reasons. Just refinanced my mortgage, my wife is a teacher (25 years) and if we move, we'll lose a ton of money on the house, and she won't be able to work in another state unless she takes the PRAXIS, which is a whole lot harder than the NABPLEX. There are no jobs in NJ, PA, FL, CA. So what do you suggest I do? I'm 63, can't stand for more than 4 hours without sitting for 30 minutes (mucho herniated discs) and can't work full time.
The world would have been a whole lot better if either 5 year guys like me were grandfathered into Pharm D.'s or at least could just do clinical rotations part time to make up the last year. I just looked into becoming a Physician's Assistant. At $613 per credit for 54 credits (in-state tuition) and a 27 month long program, I can't afford it.
Just sayin'
Sorry about that. I graduated in 1973 (5 yr. program) and was injured in a motor vehicle accident in 1998. Finally able to work part time in 2007 and worked for Rite Aid for about 9 months until they screwed me. Out of work for another 9 months (able to collect unemployment, at least) until an old student of mine surrendipidiouly (sp) found me and gave me a part time job. They the economy tanked, and FIFO. I've been looking for a job since March 2009 with absolutely no luck. Even tried to be a tech, but no one wanted to hire me, even at $20/hr.
I'm in NJ and can't move for several reasons. Just refinanced my mortgage, my wife is a teacher (25 years) and if we move, we'll lose a ton of money on the house, and she won't be able to work in another state unless she takes the PRAXIS, which is a whole lot harder than the NABPLEX. There are no jobs in NJ, PA, FL, CA. So what do you suggest I do? I'm 63, can't stand for more than 4 hours without sitting for 30 minutes (mucho herniated discs) and can't work full time.
The world would have been a whole lot better if either 5 year guys like me were grandfathered into Pharm D.'s or at least could just do clinical rotations part time to make up the last year. I just looked into becoming a Physician's Assistant. At $613 per credit for 54 credits (in-state tuition) and a 27 month long program, I can't afford it.
Just sayin'
I wish I didn't have to go through the process of finding a job alone. I basically have no one- my parents are gone, and no income. Sometimes I get so depressed, and I have to tell the student loan people next month what I am doing. If I end up losing everything like my house, I'm on my own. I've been calling around every day, and no pharmacy even has a job opening to apply to. It is a scary situation.
I am a new grad just got licensed. I recently moved to East coast(northern Virginia/DC) and the market is saturated. I have retail experience but there is no job openings in retail. The ones that are available are 3-4 hours far. I am terrified because just like anyone else I have student loans and living in this area is not cheap. If anyone is in this area and could help with job market, I would really appreciate it.
the OP was in a dire situation and pleaded ppl not to go off topic. are ppl really that cruel?
The OP probably found a job by now. But I always thought worse case scenario if I cant find a job after graduation and student loans are going to default, Id join a military branch. You wont be making 100k/year but at least they will take care of your student loans, provide housing, and its only a 4 year commitment.