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On our third pregnancy (planned), is a surprise twin pregnancy (unplanned). I'm the only earning member in the Midwest, in a mediocre paying pain job, not much savings due to starting residency relatively late in life. I have a couple years of PP anesthesia experience before starting pain fellowship. If I theoretically was planning on travelling anywhere for work, what would be your strategy for earning money as quickly as possible with the anesthesia market the way it is?

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Ur rate limiting step is hospital privileges and state medical license.

If you don’t have interstate medical license. You are behind the 8 ball always. It will take 3 plus months to get hospital credentials or more depending on how desperate places get. The summer months are prime locums months so are behind. Already.

Best bet for immediate coverage is surgery center in ur own state.

If you are female. And even a 6/10 rating. Consider only fans. I’m not kidding. That’s the quickest way to raise money. Unfortunately for a guy that’s difficult. Ask Aaron Carter. He couldn’t raise enough money via only fans. Before he died.
 
Ur rate limiting step is hospital privileges and state medical license.

If you don’t have interstate medical license. You are behind the 8 ball always. It will take 3 plus months to get hospital credentials or more depending on how desperate places get. The summer months are prime locums months so are behind. Already.

Best bet for immediate coverage is surgery center in ur own state.

If you are female. And even a 6/10 rating. Consider only fans. I’m not kidding. That’s the quickest way to raise money. Unfortunately for a guy that’s difficult. Ask Aaron Carter. He couldn’t raise enough money via only fans. Before he died.
Lol thank you. And I'm a 4/10 male at best if if ai have a good haircut.
 
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On our third pregnancy (planned), is a surprise twin pregnancy (unplanned). I'm the only earning member in the Midwest, in a mediocre paying pain job, not much savings due to starting residency relatively late in life. I have a couple years of PP anesthesia experience before starting pain fellowship. If I theoretically was planning on travelling anywhere for work, what would be your strategy for earning money as quickly as possible with the anesthesia market the way it is?
aneftp saw this and his head exploded.
 
Do you really want to be on the road doing locums during the latter part of your wife's twin pregnancy, with two other kids in the house? Best case you're looking at a couple months for license/credentialing out of state.

Do you want to keep doing pain?

Maybe start looking for a better, permanent job elsewhere. Maybe quit pain and get a job doing OR anesthesia locally? Moonlight locally? Everybody's hiring, everywhere, so there ought to be something close by.
 
Is this a troll post?

My wife had twins when I was a broke intern and we had 5 kids total before the end of residency.

Babies are not that expensive unless you want all the latest and greatest stuff to post pics on the gram.

Encourage breastfeeding, use hand me down clothes, consignment shops, Facebook marketplace, etc. They just break and crap on everything anyway.

And money won’t save you from how much having twins sucks.
 
On our third pregnancy (planned), is a surprise twin pregnancy (unplanned). I'm the only earning member in the Midwest, in a mediocre paying pain job, not much savings due to starting residency relatively late in life. I have a couple years of PP anesthesia experience before starting pain fellowship. If I theoretically was planning on travelling anywhere for work, what would be your strategy for earning money as quickly as possible with the anesthesia market the way it is?
Nice username. Die hard FFVII fan.

If you want to make good quick money do locums within your state. Demand is pretty high these days in most states.
 
Is this a troll post?

My wife had twins when I was a broke intern and we had 5 kids total before the end of residency.

Babies are not that expensive unless you want all the latest and greatest stuff to post pics on the gram.

Encourage breastfeeding, use hand me down clothes, consignment shops, Facebook marketplace, etc. They just break and crap on everything anyway.

And money won’t save you from how much having twins sucks.
First of all, what were you thinking having 5 kids in residency!

Second, as a fellow twin-dad, I can echo the points about money not saving you, with one exception. It's not the gear, it's paying for help. Having help at night, especially in those first few months when they're not on the same feeding schedule, is priceless. But if you're in the "midwest," hopefully your COL is low enough that you should be able to afford this anyway?

Lastly, yes, locum-ing close to home is usually possible. Maybe the rates are better "elsewhere," but it's hard to put a price on not traveling, especially when your kids are little and it's all-hands-on-deck. I have two below-market-rate side hustles that are 20 minutes from my house, and I still think it's a better deal than traveling, and I believe I already mentioned that I have twins at home...

As an aside, just give into the fact that you're about to be seriously F-ed. No amount of planning, preparation, and worry can save you from the tidal wave of **** that is about to land at your feet. You've got two other kids, sure, you know the drill, how bad can it be? Well, all I can say is twins are different, and you're F-ed. How bad is it? It was so bad I wrote a book about it, and it's coming out next spring. That bad.
 
Does your mediocre pain job provide insurance benefits that your wife depends on? If so you probably can’t quit to go full Locums anesthesia. I don’t think the LT companies offer health insurance. You could schedule a few weeks of vacation and do locums during that time. I know a lot of pain physicians who have crossed over into medical directorships for medspas…but there are obviously risks to renting out your medical license that way, especially if you have no interest in aesthetics on yourself and are unfamiliar with the procedures.

Honestly I would just try to figure out how to see an additional 4 patients a day. Use an AI scribe to write your notes faster.
 
On our third pregnancy (planned), is a surprise twin pregnancy (unplanned). I'm the only earning member in the Midwest, in a mediocre paying pain job, not much savings due to starting residency relatively late in life. I have a couple years of PP anesthesia experience before starting pain fellowship. If I theoretically was planning on travelling anywhere for work, what would be your strategy for earning money as quickly as possible with the anesthesia market the way it is?
Whats a mediocre pay btw?
 
How long has it been since you’ve done anesthesia? That may be a big problem trying to do anesthesia locums. I don’t know about the pain locums market but in general small town Midwest or off the beaten path places like North Dakota etc.
To those saying don’t leave - um - he has a house full of kids with a wife pregnant with twins…. I’d want to travel and do locums too lol.
Serious advice - go back to anesthesia if you can - find a better permanent job. Look at some smaller cities in other states - they pay better and treat you better and have nicer cost of living. Most places pay a signing/starting/moving bonus. Mine was 80k. Most jobs are paying 600 with 10 weeks vacation. Mine is 675k with 13 weeks plus vacation. The market is good - make a change now. Pm me if you want
 
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Whats a mediocre pay btw?
After I've paid physician overhead, physician rental space, governance fee and corporate retention I make like 350 to 400k W2. Seeing average 25 pts a day, I book more but people no show. Realize I could be seeing more. I just feel like I was making much more for less work with 1099 anesthesia.
 
IMLC asap and get back in the OR somewhere even if it’s less pay and weekends. Groups will want to see some recent OR experience.
 
After I've paid physician overhead, physician rental space, governance fee and corporate retention I make like 350 to 400k W2. Seeing average 25 pts a day, I book more but people no show. Realize I could be seeing more. I just feel like I was making much more for less work with 1099 anesthesia.
How many procedures per week are you doing? Are you doing stim trials and RFA’s? Weekly numbers are more useful. How many patients per week? How many new vs follow-up? Are you doing a lot of med mgmt?

It sounds like you’re getting ripped off… are you seeing all those patients by yourself?
 
How many procedures per week are you doing? Are you doing stim trials and RFA’s? Weekly numbers are more useful. How many patients per week? How many new vs follow-up? Are you doing a lot of med mgmt?

It sounds like you’re getting ripped off… are you seeing all those patients by yourself?

This. Obviously depends on procedural volume/mix, but $350k for 25 patients a day seems extremely low. If you saw nothing but established level 4s and did nothing but clinic 5 days a week, in a hospital setting that’s over $700k-800k+ a year. I’m not remotely familiar with PP so I can’t say what you should expect, but $350-400k seems way too low. Likely culprits are a combination of underbilling, excessive overhead, poor contracts with insurers, and perhaps a bad contract for you as well.
 
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How many procedures per week are you doing? Are you doing stim trials and RFA’s? Weekly numbers are more useful. How many patients per week? How many new vs follow-up? Are you doing a lot of med mgmt?

It sounds like you’re getting ripped off… are you seeing all those patients by yourself?

80 ish office visits, like 45 ish procedures a week, no stim but RFAing every neck, back, shoulder hip and knee. No med mgmt, is an orthopedic practice. Seeing every patient by myself and an MA who occasionally misspells the word "pain".
 
80 ish office visits, like 45 ish procedures a week, no stim but RFAing every neck, back, shoulder hip and knee. No med mgmt, is an orthopedic practice. Seeing every patient by myself and an MA who occasionally misspells the word "pain".
you’re getting ripped off my man. They’re taking advantage of you. Ive seen this before. Its unfair for a pain management doc to have the same overhead costs as orthopedists. I would either approach them to renegotiate or get out of dodge brother. Find a hospital or a pain group. If you approach them for a fair renegotiation and they try to strong arm you, thats a great sign that its time to tell them to pound sand.
 
80 ish office visits, like 45 ish procedures a week, no stim but RFAing every neck, back, shoulder hip and knee. No med mgmt, is an orthopedic practice. Seeing every patient by myself and an MA who occasionally misspells the word "pain".

You should be making $900k or more with that volume. Regardless of what you do for this short term money you’re needing, long term you need to be finding a better job. The ortho docs are exploiting you.
 
80 ish office visits, like 45 ish procedures a week, no stim but RFAing every neck, back, shoulder hip and knee. No med mgmt, is an orthopedic practice. Seeing every patient by myself and an MA who occasionally misspells the word "pain".
What you can do is demand that they give you a productivity report showing your rvu’s per year. Then show them the latest MGMA numbers with your percentile. Im sure it will be painfully obvious how much you’re getting crushed by the overhead costs of running an orthopedic center, basically paying for overhead thats not really yours.
 
you’re getting ripped off my man. They’re taking advantage of you. Ive seen this before. Its unfair for a pain management doc to have the same overhead costs as orthopedists. I would either approach them to renegotiate or get out of dodge brother. Find a hospital or a pain group. If you approach them for a fair renegotiation and they try to strong arm you, thats a great sign that its time to tell them to pound sand.
How much would be reasonable to expect given this amount of work? I should also point out that any fees from MRIs, xrays we order get excluded from what we collect as "ancillaries". Also, play FFVII rebirth it's better than the original.
 
How much would be reasonable to expect given this amount of work? I should also point out that any fees from MRIs, xrays we order get excluded from what we collect as "ancillaries". Also, play FFVII rebirth it's better than the original.
Thats why you need to know how many RVU’s you’re generating. I would ask them for that. No reason why they shouldn't be able to provide it. Its a normal thing to ask for. Then get a hold of the latest MGMA compensation data and you’ll have your answer but just looking at this grossly, being in a private practice and not a hospital, you should be making at least 500k. Maybe more depending on how many RFA’s you do.
 
Thats why you need to know how many RVU’s you’re generating. I would ask them for that. No reason why they shouldn't be able to provide it. Its a normal thing to ask for. Then get a hold of the latest MGMA compensation data and you’ll have your answer but just looking at this grossly, being in a private practice and not a hospital, you should be making at least 500k. Maybe more depending on how many RFA’s you do.
I know I make around 850 wrvu a month
 
I know I make around 850 wrvu a month

This data is several years old but if you're doing 850 wrvu a month, that's over 75th percentile work volume, probably 90th percent if 12 months.

Should be making more than you are right now.
 

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Our unit value in pp only was about 32 per rvu. So 325-400k for that actually checks out.
My pain friend does $32/rvu as well ….except he made 1.5 million. How?

Simple
1. He does around 24k rvu last year. Now that doesn’t get you to 1.5 million He did 5543 rvu first quarter 2025 and said that was slow quarter. He works 4 days a week.
So the math doesn’t add up I asked him.

It’s because he also spend 650k buying into surgery center. So his real rvu is $62/rvu or maybe a little more than that. 650k is a lot to buy into the center. But it’s the return on investment. The partners would need to buy him out 2.2 million or more of his shares now. (45% physician own/55 % private equity). And yeah. PE is actively shopping the center around

Some hospital employed pain jobs are base salary plus rvu. Rvu at some hospitals are pretty high at $70/rvu another university based pain doc told me this weekend. So he can hit 1.5 million also. He does some general anesthesia as well. I took 8 hr of his general call yesterday so he could go to the beach with his family.
 
Our unit value in pp only was about 32 per rvu. So 325-400k for that actually checks out.

How are you guys calculating $ per wrvu? Is it your total pre-tax w2 comp for year? Are you including benefits, malpractice and other expenses?
 
How are you guys calculating $ per wrvu? Is it your total pre-tax w2 comp for year? Are you including benefits, malpractice and other expenses?
I wouldnt go by that man. If you go by MGMA it should be in the $60’s per RVU. Speak to an employment attorney. It’ll be the best money you ever spent. Trust me on that.
 
On our third pregnancy (planned), is a surprise twin pregnancy (unplanned). I'm the only earning member in the Midwest, in a mediocre paying pain job, not much savings due to starting residency relatively late in life. I have a couple years of PP anesthesia experience before starting pain fellowship. If I theoretically was planning on travelling anywhere for work, what would be your strategy for earning money as quickly as possible with the anesthesia market the way it is?
Step 1: vasectomy.
 
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