need some advice and closure please help :(

[Alessandra20]

hello, i’m currently a second year under grad student; about to be third year this fall 2020. I got myself in a pretty bad situation, i was taking a gen chem 1 class and gotten into a misunderstanding with my lab professor and i basically got a citation on my record for violating academic code of conduct. She was pretty misunderstanding and completely shut me out, i tried to talk to her but it seems like in this situation i put myself in, the odds are stacked up against me and if i try to fight more i’ll make the situation worse. I didn’t fail the class and didn’t have to meet with the dean or any board member because it wasn’t a matter of cheating of any sort. I ended up dropping the course to take it next semester but my only issue is, does this citation hurt my chances of getting into pharmacy school? i have a 3.8 gpa as of right now and any class i didn’t do so well i ended up retaking and recurved a higher score. This has been really stressing me out and i really want to get into pharmacy school but i’m not sure if i just ruined my chances. Many pharmacy students told me as long as i keep a clean record and have a good pcat score and gpa i should be fine and able to get at least one interview. I have been stressing about this none stop the last 22 days almost and don’t have anyone to really ask. but i would appreciate all the feedback please. thanks

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[WorthlessOxygen]

Nowadays as long as you complete your prerequisites you'll get in somewhere. I know a few 2.XX GPA students who got in and the lowest PCAT I've heard being accepted was someone in the 12th percentile. Also 2 students who were cited for academic dishonesty in undergrad still got in.

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[johnpharm01]

What did you do?

 

[deleted562805]

hello, i’m currently a second year under grad student; about to be third year this fall 2020. I got myself in a pretty bad situation, i was taking a gen chem 1 class and gotten into a misunderstanding with my lab professor and i basically got a citation on my record for violating academic code of conduct. She was pretty misunderstanding and completely shut me out, i tried to talk to her but it seems like in this situation i put myself in, the odds are stacked up against me and if i try to fight more i’ll make the situation worse. I didn’t fail the class and didn’t have to meet with the dean or any board member because it wasn’t a matter of cheating of any sort. I ended up dropping the course to take it next semester but my only issue is, does this citation hurt my chances of getting into pharmacy school? i have a 3.8 gpa as of right now and any class i didn’t do so well i ended up retaking and recurved a higher score. This has been really stressing me out and i really want to get into pharmacy school but i’m not sure if i just ruined my chances. Many pharmacy students told me as long as i keep a clean record and have a good pcat score and gpa i should be fine and able to get at least one interview. I have been stressing about this none stop the last 22 days almost and don’t have anyone to really ask. but i would appreciate all the feedback please. thanks

Well, labs are usually taught by TAs. Did you speak to the head of the lab department? Anyways, for pharmacy school, you will be fine. They are taking any above a 2.5. If you want to pursue medicine, as long you can explain what went wrong if Adcom asks without blaming your professor and retake the class to get an A, you should be fine if you were to apply to medical school

 

[Alessandra20]

Well, labs are usually taught by TAs. Did you speak to the head of the lab department? Anyways, for pharmacy school, you will be fine. They are taking any above a 2.5. If you want to pursue medicine, as long you can explain what went wrong if Adcom asks without blaming your professor and retake the class to get an A, you should be fine if you were to apply to medical school

i tried to talk to her and said i’m willing to talk to the head of the department but i was shut out completely and even emailed the department and they said i can file a grievance form (i attend the university of michigan) this professor is known for being really mean and does not care about anyone or anything. Even after i apologized i never got an email back. I did end up dropping the class but i just am worried about pharmacy schools not accepting me, i have taken this class before and got a C- so i wanted to take it this summer and once that situation occurred, i decided to drop it and registered it again this fall. I even asked her to accommodate for me since we’re in the middle of a pandemic but she didn’t care.

 

[Alessandra20]

What did you do?

i missed an assignment and told the professor it must be some glitch because it’s not showing up on my screen when i did try to make an attempt and instead of just telling me she’d give me a 0 for a small assignment she submitted a report of violation of the academic code of conduct and there will be citation on record. There was too many holes for her to really jump to the conclusion for that but she’s known to not be the most understanding professor in my university. It wasn’t a matter of cheating or forging or plagiarism she just thought i lied and reported it. So i just don’t know if i ruined my chances or not

 

[mentos]

Don't worry, pharmacy schools will take your $200,000 no matter what these days.

 

[deleted562805]

i tried to talk to her and said i’m willing to talk to the head of the department but i was shut out completely and even emailed the department and they said i can file a grievance form (i attend the university of michigan) this professor is known for being really mean and does not care about anyone or anything. Even after i apologized i never got an email back. I did end up dropping the class but i just am worried about pharmacy schools not accepting me, i have taken this class before and got a C- so i wanted to take it this summer and once that situation occurred, i decided to drop it and registered it again this fall. I even asked her to accommodate for me since we’re in the middle of a pandemic but she didn’t care.

What course is this General Chemistry or Organic Chemistry?
Like Many posters have said, Don’t worry about pharmacy school, many of the schools have decreased standards these days with accepting 2.5 GPA students. Many of them don’t require the PCAT.

2. I hope you are aware that there is job saturation in pharmacy. Hours and salaries are decreasing in many retail and hospital pharmacy jobs. People are getting laid off in both common areas of pharmacy workplace environment. If you are still not convinced , please work as a pharmacy tech during your undergrad years in hospital and/or retail to experience for yourself before you sign your acceptance letter to pharmacy school.

3. You seem like a smart kid. you have a good GPA at 3.8, I think you should try for PA or medical school. If admissions ask about the academic mis conduct, tell them what went wrong and how you corrected the problem without blaming anyone else. Don’t stress out. This is a learning experience. In the professional world, you can definitely run into people like your professor.

 

[Alessandra20]

What course is this General Chemistry or Organic Chemistry?
Like Many posters have said, Don’t worry about pharmacy school, many of the schools have decreased standards these days with accepting 2.5 GPA students. Many of them don’t require the PCAT.

2. I hope you are aware that there is job saturation in pharmacy. Hours and salaries are decreasing in many retail and hospital pharmacy jobs. People are getting laid off in both common areas of pharmacy workplace environment. If you are still not convinced , please work as a pharmacy tech during your undergrad years in hospital and/or retail to experience for yourself before you sign your acceptance letter to pharmacy school.

3. You seem like a smart kid. you have a good GPA at 3.8, I think you should try for PA or medical school. If admissions ask about the academic mis conduct, tell them what went wrong and how you corrected the problem without blaming anyone else. Don’t stress out. This is a learning experience. In the professional world, you can definitely run into people like your professor.

1- this was a gen chem 1 course, many people have told me and based of statistics i’ve researched; it is the most retaken and failed class in the STEM field as well as retaking classes is very common as long as you show improvement so i’m not that worried about it.

2- yeah i’ve heard about the job saturation and i am planning on working as a pharmacist tech to really get a better idea on what i’m putting myself up for

3- and i have contemplated on going into PA school but not only have i only been finishing my pre-reqs and sticking to a bachelors in pharmacy but it’s very competitive right now and a lot of people are going into it plus it seems like an easy way out so i was never too fond of not having my own practice and it seemed kinda boring LMAOO and with med school i was debating on that for awhile but how much debt id be in, the 7% acceptance rate, the not so balanced work schedule and the fact id have to still take follow up exams after i graduated to be put up to date with the new practices just sounds like hell, i don’t have a big enough passion for med to put myself through that much hell for 12 years.

 

[rxkrafted]

and with med school i was debating on that for awhile but how much debt id be in, the 7% acceptance rate, the not so balanced work schedule and the fact id have to still take follow up exams after i graduated to be put up to date with the new practices just sounds like hell

You do realize that most pharmacy school has pretty much the same tuition cost as medschool. The acceptance rate for pharmacy school is obviously way higher because they don't even care about the job saturation situation itself so theres a higher chance you'll be stuck with debt compared to working as physician. Please update us on how you feel after you work as a tech for a couple days... It is comparable to working in a fastfood restaurant with medicine.

 

[mentos]

and i have contemplated on going into PA school but not only have i only been finishing my pre-reqs and sticking to a bachelors in pharmacy but it’s very competitive right now and a lot of people are going into it plus it seems like an easy way out so i was never too fond of not having my own practice and it seemed kinda boring LMAOO and with med school i was debating on that for awhile but how much debt id be in, the 7% acceptance rate, the not so balanced work schedule and the fact id have to still take follow up exams after i graduated to be put up to date with the new practices just sounds like hell, i don’t have a big enough passion for med to put myself through that much hell for 12 years.

This run-on sentence is all over the place. Bachelor's in pharmacy don't exist anymore. You have to get a pharmD now. You say PA school is competitive, yet an easy way out? If it's competitive then how is it easy?

If you are worried about debt from med school then you should be worried about debt from pharmacy school.

Med school debt: $200,000
Med school earning potential: $225,000-$400,000

Pharmacy school debt: $200,000
Pharmacy school earning potential: either $0 (no job most likely) or $78,000 (30 hours per week if you're lucky at $50/hr)

 

[johnpharm01]

i missed an assignment and told the professor it must be some glitch because it’s not showing up on my screen when i did try to make an attempt and instead of just telling me she’d give me a 0 for a small assignment she submitted a report of violation of the academic code of conduct and there will be citation on record. There was too many holes for her to really jump to the conclusion for that but she’s known to not be the most understanding professor in my university. It wasn’t a matter of cheating or forging or plagiarism she just thought i lied and reported it. So i just don’t know if i ruined my chances or not

Not completing an assignment on time is not academic misconduct, it's a reason to give a lower grade. Based on your other posts, this teacher is a bully. Get an attorney it will be money well spent. In the course of my education I have had to deal with a few of these types, including a department chair. They only understand when you hit back harder. It will be money well spent.

 

[BidMyLife01]

What course is this General Chemistry or Organic Chemistry?
Like Many posters have said, Don’t worry about pharmacy school, many of the schools have decreased standards these days with accepting 2.5 GPA students. Many of them don’t require the PCAT.

2. I hope you are aware that there is job saturation in pharmacy. Hours and salaries are decreasing in many retail and hospital pharmacy jobs. People are getting laid off in both common areas of pharmacy workplace environment. If you are still not convinced , please work as a pharmacy tech during your undergrad years in hospital and/or retail to experience for yourself before you sign your acceptance letter to pharmacy school.

3. You seem like a smart kid. you have a good GPA at 3.8, I think you should try for PA or medical school. If admissions ask about the academic mis conduct, tell them what went wrong and how you corrected the problem without blaming anyone else. Don’t stress out. This is a learning experience. In the professional world, you can definitely run into people like your professor.

1. The job saturation won't get any better with so many pharmacy schools out there accepting more students. Ask yourself if you really do want to be a pharmacist. Knowing what I know now, I totally regret walking out of an industry job to pursue this damn degree. If I knew better I would have gotten an MS and MBA because the debt is not worth it. Alot of people are speaking from experience here. The saturation is not good. It depends where you live but the growth of pharmacist with jobs is not going to grow. See even the chain pharmacy are decreasing pharmacist pay and we do so much. All my pharmacist friends are worried for the future.

2. PA, Nursing, NP, etc..are all better fields than pharmacy. The debt you will owe ain't worth it in my opinion especially when you have a good gpa. Even medical school would be good for you. Just ask yourself why do you want to become a pharmacist? Retail will suck the life out of you. I have been working there for 2 years and man it took a toll on me. And not in a good way. I am so happy to end up with a great boss who teaches me a lot. I agree with this person. even in pharmacy schools, and medical schools--they are evil professors who will make your life into living hell. Its so true! Just explain your situation in a professional manner and tell yourself you handle it very well.

 

[mentos]

Get an attorney it will be money well spent. In the course of my education I have had to deal with a few of these types, including a department chair. They only understand when you hit back harder. It will be money well spent.

Damn we should have all been lawyers to represent all the prepharms and pharmacy students who try to sue their school for being bullies or racists. Way easier money than slaving away in a pharmacy.

 

[Sine Cura]

Correct closure would be to pursue a diff "career"

**** how do people have this drama with freakin general chemistry

 

[deleted562805]

This run-on sentence is all over the place. Bachelor's in pharmacy don't exist anymore. You have to get a pharmD now. You say PA school is competitive, yet an easy way out? If it's competitive then how is it easy?

If you are worried about debt from med school then you should be worried about debt from pharmacy school.

Med school debt: $200,000
Med school earning potential: $225,000-$400,000

Pharmacy school debt: $200,000
Pharmacy school earning potential: either $0 (no job most likely) or $78,000 (30 hours per week if you're lucky at $50/hr)

I will add to what mentos said:
Clinical pharmacy specialist
Pharmacy school debt: $200,000
Pharmacy residency salary: $45,000
Clinical pharmacy specialist earning potential after residency of two years : $78,000 for full time 40hrs per week

Physician
Medical school debt: $200,000
Medical residency salary: $45,000
Physician earning potential after residency for three years: $225,000-$400,000 for full time 40 hrs per week

 

[PharmtoCS]

I would recommend software engineering or computer programming as well.

Coding bootcamp: $10,000 over 3-4 months or
BS in computer science: $20,000-$50,000 over 3-4 years

Starting salary: $60-80k with the potential to increase that to $200k

Gives you a far better lifestyle as well. Before COVID you would get showered with perks, i.e. catered gourmet meals, on-site gym and laundry, pet daycares, employee shuttles, etc. Now the best perk is that you get to work from home.

 

[allantois]

I know someone who got in with a recent DUI charge and that was 4 years ago

 

[allantois]

I don't know if it's mentioned here much but AA school is also an option (Anesthesiology Assistant).
It takes a couple of years but you can easily start at 100k+. The drawback is they can't practice in every state yet. Radiology Tech, Radiation therapy etc. are also great careers.

I wouldn't do AA. They only work in a supervised model and CRNAs are miles ahead

 

[johnpharm01]

Damn we should have all been lawyers to represent all the prepharms and pharmacy students who try to sue their school for being bullies or racists. Way easier money than slaving away in a pharmacy.

Ah, an enabler. A victim defends themself and in turn becomes the wrongdoers. Do rape victims "ask for it" in your opinion?

 

[Sine Cura]

Yes because getting a citation on a "record" (what record?) that pharmacy schools won't care about is the same as being raped

 

[deleted562805]

Fair enough. I just thought it'd be a quick degree someone can pursue and it gives a good ROI. CRNA is definitely better but a much longer route.

Both CRNA and AA end up cheaper in tuition than pharmacy

BSN school debt: 54,000 debt

CCU nurse experience: $50,000 year salary

CRNA school: 200,000 in debt

CRNA earning potential: 130,000-230,000

*Pros you can pay off nursing school in 2 to 3 years at the maximum after working as a CCU nurse before CRNA school.

 

[mentos]

Ah, an enabler. A victim defends themself and in turn becomes the wrongdoers. Do rape victims "ask for it" in your opinion?

Eh? What is OP a victim of? He will easily get into pharmacy school with his GPA and $200,000 loan. This is freaking gen chem, no school is going to care about it.

 

[allantois]

Both CRNA and AA end up cheaper in tuition than pharmacy

BSN school debt: 54,000 debt

CCU nurse experience: $50,000 year salary

CRNA school: 200,000 in debt

CRNA earning potential: 130,000-230,000

*Pros you can pay off nursing school in 2 to 3 years at the maximum after working as a CCU nurse before CRNA school.

You could become an RN for 6k at the community college near me, a BSN for 12k. Can’t beat nursing ROI

 

[mentos]

You could become an RN for 6k at the community college near me, a BSN for 12k. Can’t beat nursing ROI

Then become a travel nurse and have your rent paid for in a beachfront luxury condo. Join the other hot young travel nurses in the hot tub, ya know what I'm sayin'?

 

[pentobarbitalius]

Nobody cares. There are so many pharmacy schools out there that someone will accept you. The only question you need to ask yourself is do you want to spend $200,000 for this degree.

 

[Alessandra20]

This run-on sentence is all over the place. Bachelor's in pharmacy don't exist anymore. You have to get a pharmD now. You say PA school is competitive, yet an easy way out? If it's competitive then how is it easy?

If you are worried about debt from med school then you should be worried about debt from pharmacy school.

Med school debt: $200,000
Med school earning potential: $225,000-$400,000

Pharmacy school debt: $200,000
Pharmacy school earning potential: either $0 (no job most likely) or $78,000 (30 hours per week if you're lucky at $50/hr)

ya I guess you're right and my apologies for the bad run-on sentences, when I type on my phone I sort of forget grammar. What I mean is PA school is competitive to get in but the program itself is not that hard. I have a very strong passion for pharmacy so I just wanted some advice. but thank you for your feedback honestly :')

 

[Alessandra20]

Correct closure would be to pursue a diff "career"

**** how do people have this drama with freakin general chemistry

it was unnecessary drama, my own lecture professor did not even understand the situation let alone knew about it, i had to contact her and she barely understood what was going on. I attend University of Michigan and the lab professor i was assigned is pretty much known for being incompetent, she is also a lecture professor for another department and i have even heard that a students mother passed and she would not allow him to make up an exam when the university policy allows for it. I am passionate about pharmacy but i just feel stuck at the moment because many people have been telling me as long as i keep my good gpa, a clean record, good letters of rec and a good enough pcat score ill be fine. but thank you for you feed back, doesn't go unnoticed :')

 

[mentos]

I have a very strong passion for pharmacy

Why are you passionate about pharmacy? I am passionate about skiing, golfing, eating out, traveling, going to sports games and concerts, hiking, going to beaches, scuba diving, snorkeling, biking. I would gladly do all of these things for free or pay to do them.

From what I gather from all of my current and former coworkers and everyone here, working in a pharmacy is the last place people want to be. So why do you say you are passionate about pharmacy? Would you work in one for free or pay to work in one? If not, then that's not passionate IMO.

 

[Alessandra20]

Why are you passionate about pharmacy? I am passionate about skiing, golfing, eating out, traveling, going to sports games and concerts, hiking, going to beaches, scuba diving, snorkeling, biking. I would gladly do all of these things for free or pay to do them.

From what I gather from all of my current and former coworkers and everyone here, working in a pharmacy is the last place people want to be. So why do you say you are passionate about pharmacy? Would you work in one for free or pay to work in one? If not, then that's not passionate IMO.

I mean I am interested in science and it is something I would be willing to do from a career standpoint. I have looked into other jobs in the science field and none of them really piqued my interest besides pharmacy. I just am worried I ruined my shot but thank you I'm taking what you say into consideration

 

[rxkrafted]

I mean I am interested in science and it is something I would be willing to do from a career standpoint. I have looked into other jobs in the science field and none of them really piqued my interest besides pharmacy. I just am worried I ruined my shot but thank you I'm taking what you say into consideration

Still trying to figure out what is catching your interest in pharmacy? If you're lucky enough to find a full-time job, it'll most likely be in retail. Does customer service and constant phone calls excite you?

 

[deleted562805]

1- this was a gen chem 1 course, many people have told me and based of statistics i’ve researched; it is the most retaken and failed class in the STEM field as well as retaking classes is very common as long as you show improvement so i’m not that worried about it.

2- yeah i’ve heard about the job saturation and i am planning on working as a pharmacist tech to really get a better idea on what i’m putting myself up for

3- and i have contemplated on going into PA school but not only have i only been finishing my pre-reqs and sticking to a bachelors in pharmacy but it’s very competitive right now and a lot of people are going into it plus it seems like an easy way out so i was never too fond of not having my own practice and it seemed kinda boring LMAOO and with med school i was debating on that for awhile but how much debt id be in, the 7% acceptance rate, the not so balanced work schedule and the fact id have to still take follow up exams after i graduated to be put up to date with the new practices just sounds like hell, i don’t have a big enough passion for med to put myself through that much hell for 12 years.

3. There are fields in medicine that have great work life balance. Dermatology is one of those fields- less number of patients compared to internal medicine fields, and great pay $400,000+ and good patient satisfaction. Dermatology is competitive to get in for residency though or any medical residency is competitive for that matter.Yet, medical residency has a 80% match rate.

Contrast with pharmacy. If you are considering clinical pharmacy or industry, pharmacy residency is super competitive at a 60% match rate. Pharmacy residency is just as grueling and has a unbalanced work life balance equivalent to medical residency. There is not much difference in terms of stress and grueling hours for both pharmacy and medical residency. Fellowship is even harder to get than a pharmacy residency at less than 10% get fellowships in industry. And I forgot to mention, a clinical pharmacist salary is $80,000 if you get full time hours. If you only get part time, your salary is half of that.

 

[Prehealth1011]

3. There are fields in medicine that have great work life balance. Dermatology is one of those fields- less number of patients compared to internal medicine fields, and great pay $400,000+ and good patient satisfaction. Dermatology is competitive to get in for residency though or any medical residency is competitive for that matter.Yet, medical residency has a 80% match rate.

Also Psyc, PMR, Outpatient FM/IM. Granted you won't make 400k, but 220k-250k is a safe salary for all those fields.
It's also possible to moonlight during residency in those fields and not be stuck getting 50k/year.

 

[Saiyo]

I would recommend software engineering or computer programming as well.

Coding bootcamp: $10,000 over 3-4 months or
BS in computer science: $20,000-$50,000 over 3-4 years

Starting salary: $60-80k with the potential to increase that to $200k

Gives you a far better lifestyle as well. Before COVID you would get showered with perks, i.e. catered gourmet meals, on-site gym and laundry, pet daycares, employee shuttles, etc. Now the best perk is that you get to work from home.

I think bootcamps were a viable route maybe 7 years ago, don't think it is now unless you have connections

 

[deleted562805]

Please pay attention to this video by Paul Tran, a hospital pharmacist who just got furloughed and had five years of pharmacy experience. He made a video of how much it costs for pharmacy school. If you went to a top school like University of Washington, you would be in debt at $337,000 with earning potential of $80,000 and dropping due to cut hours. If you went to the medical school in UW, you would have the same amount of debt with equivalent to higher earning potential.

 

[deleted562805]

You think medical school is a long time commitment. Then clinical pharmacy is just as long with a poor return on investment. Listen to this podcast by Tony Guerra, pharmacist who did a PGY-1 back in 2008, who works for a community college teaching pharmacology and his wife who did a hospital residency and is still working for a grocery store retail pharmacy with whom she interned at school! Can you believe that? Two resident hospital trained pharmacists working non hospital jobs. Keep in mind these pharmacists graduated in 2008. Now the joblessness of PGY-1s and PGy-2s is much worse.

 

[Xenophylia]

Bottom line- RIGHT NOW- for healthcare careers- pharmacy should be your absolute LAST choice. Worst case- you graduate with high debt and NEVER work a day as a pharmacist. The BEST case is probably you become a wage slave for CVS or Walgreens, are treated like garbage by both your employer and the public until you inevitably burn out early in your career. Still feeling that "passion"?

 

[Sine Cura]

it was unnecessary drama, my own lecture professor did not even understand the situation let alone knew about it, i had to contact her and she barely understood what was going on. I attend University of Michigan and the lab professor i was assigned is pretty much known for being incompetent, she is also a lecture professor for another department and i have even heard that a students mother passed and she would not allow him to make up an exam when the university policy allows for it. I am passionate about pharmacy but i just feel stuck at the moment because many people have been telling me as long as i keep my good gpa, a clean record, good letters of rec and a good enough pcat score ill be fine. but thank you for you feed back, doesn't go unnoticed :')

That's kinda weird. When I was at my land grant school ALL gen chem and o-chem lab instructors were PhD grad students

In any case do your HW when it comes a potential life-derailing decision like going to pharmacy school

 

[BidingMyTime]

I mean I am interested in science and it is something I would be willing to do from a career standpoint. I have looked into other jobs in the science field and none of them really piqued my interest besides pharmacy. I just am worried I ruined my shot but thank you I'm taking what you say into consideration

1) Unless you have actually worked in a pharmacy, you have no idea what you are signing up for. Anything any instructor has told you about pharmacy is more than likely NOT true. Get a job in a retail pharmacy, regardless of what anyone tells you, you have a 70% chance of working in a retail pharmacy (this is assuming you actually get a pharmacy job...70% of pharmacists are in retail, but there are lots of unemployed pharmacists.) After getting a job in retail pharmacy, you are still interested, then proceed to my point #2.

2) The pharmacy field is very glutted, enrollments are down, and pharmacy schools are ever increasing. As such, as long as you are alive, there is a pharmacy school somewhere that will take you. Literally, you WILL be accepted into a pharmacy school somewhere. Whether or not you actually graduate is a different issue. And if you have hopes of a specific pharmacy school, that might be trickier. But you need have no worries whatsoever of not realizing your "dream" of getting into pharmacy school.

Seriously, do not stress over getting accepted to pharmacy school. Pharmacy schools currently have empty unfilled seats. Pharmacy schools have literally sent out letters to undergrads begging them to attend. You will be accepted to pharmacy school, if you decide to pursue that course.

Now if you want a real worry (besides the impending end of the world from COVID and nuclear war between China and India or something), then worry about how you will pay off $300,000 in college debt if you don't have a job

 

[mustang sally]

Pharmacy school really isn't very competitive anymore, so I wouldn't lose sleep over it. You likely won't have any problems getting in.

 

[Alessandra20]

That's kinda weird. When I was at my land grant school ALL gen chem and o-chem lab instructors were PhD grad students

In any case do your HW when it comes a potential life-derailing decision like going to pharmacy school

I recently requested my transcript and by the looks of it, since I dropped the class it doesn't show anything about citations and when I talked to an advisor who is experienced in this type of thing, she said if I never received a follow-up email or letter within 10 days she probably didnt pursue it since I took action in dropping the class. However right now judging by the comments i shouldn't be worried about getting into a school since now they accept everyone with a pulse but rather I should really reconsider taking a different instead of pharmacy school. So I'm pretty much lost on what to do now.

 

[Alessandra20]

1) Unless you have actually worked in a pharmacy, you have no idea what you are signing up for. Anything any instructor has told you about pharmacy is more than likely NOT true. Get a job in a retail pharmacy, regardless of what anyone tells you, you have a 70% chance of working in a retail pharmacy (this is assuming you actually get a pharmacy job...70% of pharmacists are in retail, but there are lots of unemployed pharmacists.) After getting a job in retail pharmacy, you are still interested, then proceed to my point #2.

2) The pharmacy field is very glutted, enrollments are down, and pharmacy schools are ever increasing. As such, as long as you are alive, there is a pharmacy school somewhere that will take you. Literally, you WILL be accepted into a pharmacy school somewhere. Whether or not you actually graduate is a different issue. And if you have hopes of a specific pharmacy school, that might be trickier. But you need have no worries whatsoever of not realizing your "dream" of getting into pharmacy school.

Seriously, do not stress over getting accepted to pharmacy school. Pharmacy schools currently have empty unfilled seats. Pharmacy schools have literally sent out letters to undergrads begging them to attend. You will be accepted to pharmacy school, if you decide to pursue that course.

Now if you want a real worry (besides the impending end of the world from COVID and nuclear war between China and India or something), then worry about how you will pay off $300,000 in college debt if you don't have a job

do you suggest i go in a different route? i was thinking about working as a pharm tech this fall maybe

 

[BidingMyTime]

do you suggest i go in a different route? i was thinking about working as a pharm tech this fall maybe

I think working as a pharm tech should definitely be done first, because this will give you a clearly picture of what working in a pharmacy actually is like. If you absolutely LOVE the different aspects of working as an actual pharmacist, then by all means pursue pharmacy. Many veterinarians pursue veterinary school, even though they know they will be $300,000 in debt and likely get a $40,000/yr job...they do it because they really love working with animals. My advice, ONLY pick pharmacy if you think you will greatly enjoy the job aspects (which 70% chance will be working for a chain pharmacy, so make sure you work there as a tech first.) Do NOT pick pharmacy because you think it will be "easy money" (which way too many pharmacy students are picking pharmacy solely because they think it will be easy money.) Personally, I really do LOVE working as a pharmacist, both hospital and retail (and I worked both while going to school,) when I graduated, pharmacy school was a middling-middle-class career, and while the salaries are currently high, they are dropping and they will continue to drop, until pharmacy is again a middling-middle-class career. (The "50 thou a year, will by a lot of beer" song was popular, but did not describe pharmacy when I graduated.) Even so, I don't love pharmacy enough that I would have taken on a huge amount of debt (I graduated with something like $20,000 debt.....my first pharmacist job was $32,000/yr.) So certainly the debt ratio needs to be figured into the equation (alongside your 'love for' the career.)